Dublin 15 is going to get a lot more congested.

beauf · 13-10-2017 12:41pm

...yeah its my imagination... yy quote earlier was from the rail review ...drawn up by the National Transport Authority and Iarnród Éireann..

http://www.tjclare.ie/2016/02/overcrowding-on-maynooth-line.html
https://www.oceanfm.ie/2016/10/25/irish-rail-responds-to-harkins-concerns-on-overcrowding/
https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2016-06-14a.1466

I'm surprised no one was dropped the usual nonsense about the passenger weight being within the limits of the carriage specifications.
No detail of any safety spec for the number of standing passengers between carriages or anything like that.

Its not just 41 apartments. There are number of new developments all long the line all incrementally increasing the demand on the services.
The off peak train I get must have about 3x more passengers now than 12 months ago.

lucernarian · 13-10-2017 2:59pm

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Why would that be good news for Blanchardstown?

I think it's good to have suitable sites developed for housing, especially near the village and its struggling retail environment. Everyone wants to drive to Roselawn or the shopping centre even if they're short walks away. Will be good for the village and will give more people a chance at living in areas which are well served by infrastructure.

I see beauf's point about Irish Rail, most services are overwhelmed in the mornings now, and the 6.37 train from Connolly is a sorry sight with its 4 carriages. The docklands services are getting a lot of use too on weekdays at least. We just have to hope this will be remedied quickly, Irish rail still have options on more ICR carriages and this can go towards the Newbridge-GCD services while they're not severely congested. They still have some diesel commuter trains they can rehabilitate in the near future too.

beauf · 13-10-2017 3:19pm

Well that's it entirely.

Driving I have to say I avoid this area at Peak (the turn off M50 into the bell) takes forever at peak. I assume its the same getting out in the morning.

I'm usually on the train. So thankfully I don't have to endure driving. I prefer cycling to the train though. Its become really unpleasant.

Larbre34 · 13-10-2017 7:45pm

Phil.x wrote: »

From fingals website, 4500 people.

If utilities, transport and amenities are at breaking point, which they are, well then every extra house built is making it worse.

Nonsense. There are some issues with transport and schools, typical of any growing city, but they are not at breaking point and ive seen no problem with utilities browning-out or public parks or shopping centres queued out the gates. Builders of housing estates are required to contribute to infrastructure and pay development levies to improve the wider community. D15 is far from badly off in any of those respects.

MayoSalmon · 13-10-2017 8:23pm

Breaking point?! You'd have to wonder where they come up with all this..

Former Former · 13-10-2017 11:43pm

They're two separate issues.

Should the train service be improved? Yes.

Should apartments be built on the Bradys site? Yes.

RasTa · 14-10-2017 10:15am

Should people from D15 use their car to drive to work? No.

Although they can use them if they want, their moaning should not be paid attention to.

Omackeral · 14-10-2017 10:54am

RasTa wrote: »

Should people from D15 use their car to drive to work? No.

Says you. I use it cos I have a free car park and I love it. Also can shoot off wherever I want after work without having to worry about arranging things.

Zaph · 14-10-2017 11:03am

RasTa wrote: »

Should people from D15 use their car to drive to work? No.

Although they can use them if they want, their moaning should not be paid attention to.

I'm sure there a lot of people who work in places that a commute by public transport is either not possible or ridiculously long. Should they not be permitted to drive to work, or if they do should their concerns be dismissed out of hand?

Caranica · 14-10-2017 11:05am

Zaph wrote: »

I'm sure there a lot of people who work in places that a commute by public transport is either not possible or ridiculously long. Should they not be permitted to drive to work, or if they do should their concerns be dismissed out of hand?

Precisely this! Public transport in D15 is poor unless you're going to the city centre or somewhere on the train line. We don't even have a direct link to the airport!

PhoenixParker · 14-10-2017 1:05pm

Caranica wrote: »

Precisely this! Public transport in D15 is poor unless you're going to the city centre or somewhere on the train line. We don't even have a direct link to the airport!

Oddly the solution to this is to make the area more congested, I.e denser, then public transport routes become viable to a bigger and better range of destinations.

An airport route would be great for instance but I don’t think there’s any route you could run it that would serve a big enough population & be direct enough to make it viable.

beauf · 14-10-2017 1:16pm

The airport link will come with metro north and it will need that catchment to make it viable.

Public Transport has always been heavily used in D.15. I don't think its a lack of population or use the population.

Its the lack of political influence.

annfield1978 · 14-10-2017 9:22pm

Kellystown Link Road parallel with the Clonsilla Rail Line linking to the N3 -N4 Link Road will open up further development = traffic

Fingal looking for consultant to bring throught route selecton and part 8 planning

amtc · 14-10-2017 10:21pm

beauf wrote: »

The airport link will come with metro north and it will need that catchment to make it viable.

Public Transport has always been heavily used in D.15. I don't think its a lack of population or use the population.

Its the lack of political influence.

A couple of points. Metro north 2027...i am working on a government tender that was supposed to be 2016 and is way past that so I wouldn't hold out for 2027.

Lack of political influence? The Taoiseach and a previous Minister for Finance?

Regarding the Brady's apartments...has anyone figured out that Leo lives in the penthouse 4 stories up in Rosehaven.

I don't drive into town as the 38 is grand for me, if it could decide which route it takes and signpost accordingly.

Former Former · 14-10-2017 10:46pm

amtc wrote: »

A couple of points. Metro north 2027...i am working on a government tender that was supposed to be 2016 and is way past that so I wouldn't hold out for 2027.

Lack of political influence? The Taoiseach and a previous Minister for Finance?

Regarding the Brady's apartments...has anyone figured out that Leo lives in the penthouse 4 stories up in Rosehaven.

I don't drive into town as the 38 is grand for me, if it could decide which route it takes and signpost accordingly.

Having ministers in the constituency is of no value. You need independent TDs who'll sell their Dail support in exchange for local projects and we've never had one of them.

beauf · 14-10-2017 11:13pm

amtc wrote: »

...Lack of political influence? The Taoiseach and a previous Minister for Finance?...

BL was very active locally. Leo I never heard of on local issues. As he wants to avoid being seen as a "Dublin Politician" I think he'll avoid being attached to many if any local issues now.

lucernarian · 14-10-2017 11:29pm

Zaph wrote: »

I'm sure there a lot of people who work in places that a commute by public transport is either not possible or ridiculously long. Should they not be permitted to drive to work, or if they do should their concerns be dismissed out of hand?

I think the likes of driving kids 1kn to school is the cause of plenty of congestion near 9am. And people have very peculiar ideas of "ridiculously long". Not everyone is commuting to Bray.

beauf · 14-10-2017 11:45pm

A lot of schools start at 8.30. But yeah schools cause a lot of congestion. But they are only part of the story.

The majority of the congestion in the evening is long after the schools are finished.

RasTa · 15-10-2017 10:53am

Omackeral wrote: »

Says you. I use it cos I have a free car park and I love it. Also can shoot off wherever I want after work without having to worry about arranging things.

Zaph wrote: »

I'm sure there a lot of people who work in places that a commute by public transport is either not possible or ridiculously long. Should they not be permitted to drive to work, or if they do should their concerns be dismissed out of hand?

Drive away but don't moan about it. It's a 10-12k cycle into town and if you're too lazy to do that then you are a disgrace.

Omackeral · 15-10-2017 10:55am

A disgrace? Get a grip of yourself.

RasTa · 15-10-2017 11:13am

Omackeral wrote: »

A disgrace? Get a grip of yourself.

Yup, over in Amsterdam last month and the amount of bikes parked up everywhere was great too see. Over in this small minded country everyone likes to complain about the traffic whilst they sit in their cars by themselves.

Public transport is terrible etc etc. Always an excuse for jumping in their car.

A disgrace

Omackeral · 15-10-2017 11:37am

They also have individual traffic lights for cyclists over there and have a much better set up overall. You're taking your life in your hands in some parts of the city when on a bike. Also, what do you suggest for people without showering facilites in their workplace? A 10-12k cycle is gonna leave you sweating whether its lashing rain or roasting hot.

Zaph · 15-10-2017 11:42am

RasTa wrote: »

Drive away but don't moan about it. It's a 10-12k cycle into town and if you're too lazy to do that then you are a disgrace.

Hang on a minute, if you want to cycle then that's your prerogative, but you don't get to come on here and tell people they're a disgrace simply because they choose not to. There are many reasons why people would rather not cycle, ironically the volume of heavy traffic is one I've heard from a number of people, but that sort of judgemental crap is one reason so many people dislike cyclists.

RasTa · 15-10-2017 11:49am

Well don't moan about the congestion then when you're the person causing it. More excuses for lazyness is all I'm reading. Jump on the train then or get the bus and leave the car at home. Plenty of options and I feel like I'm repeating myself but car should be option Z. Run to work if you have to. Imagine telling someone from Europe you drive 10-12k to work which can take an hour each way and watch them laugh for 30mins as to how stupid you are

Almost all offices have showers these days.

Lazyness is a disgrace.

Omackeral · 15-10-2017 11:54am

RasTa wrote: »

Well don't moan about the congestion then when you're the person causing it. More excuses for lazyness is all I'm reading. Jump on the train then or get the bus and leave the car at home. Plenty of options and I feel like I'm repeating myself but car should be option Z. Run to work if you have to. Imagine telling someone from Europe you drive 10-12k to work which can take an hour each way and watch them laugh for 30mins as to how stupid you are

Almost all offices have showers these days.

Lazyness is a disgrace.

What if your workplace has no showering facilites? My last two didn't.

RasTa · 15-10-2017 11:57am

Omackeral wrote: »

What if your workplace has no showering facilites? My last two didn't.

Then get the train, docklands or pearse. Maybe a bus can help. You shouldn't be working up much of a sweat on a downhill 10k cycle into town.

Omackeral · 15-10-2017 12:01pm

RasTa wrote: »

Then get the train, docklands or pearse. Maybe a bus can help. You shouldn't be working up much of a sweat on a downhill 10k cycle into town.

Yeah I think I'll just drive.

Also, I never once complained about traffic, I miss it cos I leave the gaff at a 7:10. I was simply commenting to say people drive to work from D15 for a myriad of reasons eg free parking, car pooling, commitments after work that require taking their own car.

Zaph · 15-10-2017 12:05pm

RasTa wrote: »

Well don't moan about the congestion then when you're the person causing it. More excuses for lazyness is all I'm reading. Jump on the train then or get the bus and leave the car at home. Plenty of options and I feel like I'm repeating myself but car should be option Z. Run to work if you have to. Imagine telling someone from Europe you drive 10-12k to work which can take an hour each way and watch them laugh for 30mins as to how stupid you are

Almost all offices have showers these days.

Lazyness is a disgrace.

I get the train from Coolmine to Docklands every morning, so you can come down from that high horse of yours. But just because I use public transport it doesn't mean I don't have the right to complain about traffic congestion in the area and the fact that little is being done to resolve it.

RasTa · 15-10-2017 12:12pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Yeah I think I'll just drive.

Also, I never once complained about traffic, I miss it cos I leave the gaff at a 7:10. I was simply commenting to say people drive to work from D15 for a myriad of reasons eg free parking, car pooling, commitments after work that require taking their own car.

Complete nonsense. Buses and trains start at time. What commitments need a car from the bloody city center of all places.

It's the lazy Irish mindset and why we are losing business to frankfurt and Brussles as they are actual European cities.

Netherlands

Belgium

Germany

Dublin

Omackeral · 15-10-2017 12:20pm

So what if buses start at that time? How does that render my reason of there's very light traffic at 7:10 am nonsensical? It doesn't. I fly in at that time. When I finish, I've the freedom to go where I want and when.

People have commitments and lives outside of their jobs that may be away from the general locale of their office. I myself have football after work in Sandyford on tuesdays for example. It absolutely suits me to drive out there after my shift and then home directly from there. Spin to Sandyford takes no time and then drive home up the M50 is a doddle too. I'd take that over an eternity of stops and starts through town.

What if you have to pick children up? What if you have to do a hospital visits out in Beaumont for argument's sake. Family living somewhere not on a bus route convenient to you. Everyone has different circumstances and preferences.

RasTa · 15-10-2017 12:31pm

Sandyford?! Where the Luas goes? Yeah a car is needed to get there alright.

€50 congestion charge needs to implemented for the likes of yourself.

Omackeral · 15-10-2017 12:41pm

RasTa wrote: »

Sandyford?! Where the Luas goes? Yeah a car is needed to get there alright.

€50 congestion charge needs to implemented for the likes of yourself.

Handy if you work near the Green Luas line. I'm on the other side of the city. Why would I bother travelling across the city on a bus to catch a Luas when I can drive over in the time it takes me to even reach the Green line? And for the return, by the time I get back into the city centre via Luas to catch another hour long bus journey, I'd be already home and spending time with my family, something I'd put more importance than anything else.

You go ahead and petition for your little congestion charge, I'll keep availing of my free secure parking

RasTa · 15-10-2017 12:47pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Handy if you work near the Green Luas line. I'm on the other side of the city. Why would I bother travelling across the city on a bus to catch a Luas when I can drive over in the time it takes me to even reach the Green line? And for the return, by the time I get back into the city centre via Luas to catch another hour long bus journey, I'd be already home and spending time with my family, something I'd put more importance than anything else.

You go ahead and petition for your little congestion charge, I'll keep availing of my free secure parking

They have these things called Dublin Bikes dotted around the city. Unhealthy the amount of time you spend in your car tbh.

I'm not petitioning for anything. It's your money you are wasting on insurance and petrol/diesel

Zaph · 15-10-2017 12:50pm

RasTa wrote: »

Sandyford?! Where the Luas goes? Yeah a car is needed to get there alright.

€50 congestion charge needs to implemented for the likes of yourself.

€50? Now you're just being silly, they don't even charge that in London (£11.50 per day there).

15-10-2017 12:51pm

RasTa wrote: »

They have these things called Dublin Bikes dotted around the city. Unhealthy the amount of time you spend in your car tbh.

I'm not petitioning for anything. It's your money you are wasting on insurance and petrol/diesel

I don't think you're convincing anyone. I haven't cycled in a good while, as it's far from practical for me. On a good day, it would be a 25km round trip, leaving the house at 6:15am (which can be brutal in winter). On a bad day, I'd have to make a 50km round trip. On top of this, I've had things like a broken collarbone a few years ago where I hit black ice in phoenix park. It really makes you question whether it's worth it.

I've also spent a good year using public transport almost exclusively. My time commuting each day went up to 2-3 hours, but at least I could get stuff done on the bus. Had I been driving, my commuting time would have been half this. This is a major failing of the public transport system.

My solution to all this? Ride a motorbike

Omackeral · 15-10-2017 2:24pm

RasTa wrote: »

They have these things called Dublin Bikes dotted around the city. Unhealthy the amount of time you spend in your car tbh.

No, it's not. It's saving me loads of time if you care to read what I posted. As for unhealthy, I do Krav Maga and play football during the week straight after work and I can make it to those on time cos I just zip directly out to where they're on. It's great.

RasTa · 15-10-2017 2:59pm

Omackeral wrote: »

No, it's not. It's saving me loads of time if you care to read what I posted. As for unhealthy, I do Krav Maga and play football during the week straight after work and I can make it to those on time cos I just zip directly out to where they're on. It's great.

Good for you, you're still wasting a silly amount of money on tolls for football and petrol to get to all these places. Hope that Krav maga isn't the one in D15.

lucernarian · 15-10-2017 3:06pm

Zaph wrote: »

I get the train from Coolmine to Docklands every morning, so you can come down from that high horse of yours. But just because I use public transport it doesn't mean I don't have the right to complain about traffic congestion in the area and the fact that little is being done to resolve it.

If we're talking about "cyclists being hated by everybody" then perhaps take a glance in the mirror before saying someone else should come off the high horse. Whenever I do cycle in Dublin, I get beeped at and cursed for simply existing on the road. Like the Main St. / Clonsilla road slip road. Try leaving the bus lane there to go in the direction of the Garda station and see what happens when you get in the way of a car suddenly turning left. I guarantee you this stupid hatred of cycling wouldn't change even if everyone always respected traffic signals, lane position and having lights on at night. Ultimately bikes slow people going from A to B on the narrower roads around D15 and many other places.

I don't expect everyone to to cycle around all the time, I just don't think everyone around D15 is going that distance whenever they drive their cars. Many journeys could be walked and cycled, especially if the powers that be can't imagine life outside a private car and have a Maggie Thatcher attitude to buses.

Omackeral · 15-10-2017 3:42pm

RasTa wrote: »

Good for you, you're still wasting a silly amount of money on tolls for football and petrol to get to all these places. Hope that Krav maga isn't the one in D15.

A- Sandyford to Huntstown 22 min (28.1 km) via M50 by car

B- Sandyford to Huntstown 1 h 43 min via Westmoreland St by bus/luas

Anything other than Option A* is silly IMO.

Maybe you have no time for other activites or you're not a people person but I'd rather spend my free time not on a bus or a tram. I'll pay the toll once a week, it's grand, I'm not that mean! You can call it a waste, I'd rather have my own time for me. Anyway, that's me and I do realise I'm lucky enough with the on-site parking.

*Source - https://www.google.ie/search?q=sandyford+to+huntstown&oq=sandyford+to+huntstown&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.7169j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

RasTa · 15-10-2017 3:55pm

30k trip once a week to play football that's a lot for someone who values their time so much? That must cost a lot in petrol plus 30k a day in and out of work?

I run 50-70k a week so have plenty of time, sometimes work out in Lepardstown and public transport out(50mins train/luas) and car pool home.

15-10-2017 4:12pm

RasTa wrote: »

30k trip once a week to play football that's a lot for someone who values their time so much? That must cost a lot in petrol plus 30k a day in and out of work?

I run 50-70k a week so have plenty of time, sometimes work out in Lepardstown and public transport out(50mins train/luas) and car pool home.

Home in Dublin 15 to office in Leopardstown in 50 minutes?

Omackeral · 15-10-2017 4:14pm

RasTa wrote: »

30k trip once a week to play football that's a lot for someone who values their time so much? That must cost a lot in petrol plus 30k a day in and out of work?

That's why it's only once a week, genius. Anyway, I'm absolutely minted so I don't care. Enjoy your sweaty peasant wagon.

RasTa · 15-10-2017 4:36pm

Basil3 wrote: »

Home in Dublin 15 to office in Leopardstown in 50 minutes?

Coolmine train station, 1 min jog. 17mins to Connolly. 5-8mins Dublin bike to Stephens green.

25mins on Luas to Sandyford and another jog to the office

Omackeral wrote: »

That's why it's only once a week, genius. Anyway, I'm absolutely minted so I don't care. Enjoy your sweaty peasant wagon.

Then why are you living in Huntstown?

Omackeral · 15-10-2017 4:43pm

Because it's a dead handy commute to work.

MayoSalmon · 15-10-2017 4:50pm

lucernarian wrote:

I think the likes of driving kids 1kn to school is the cause of plenty of congestion near 9am. And people have very peculiar ideas of "ridiculously long". Not everyone is commuting to Bray.

Dropping kids to school are the primary cause..traffic is almost non existent in the summer months

beauf · 15-10-2017 8:37pm

RasTa wrote: »

Coolmine train station, 1 min jog. 17mins to Connolly. 5-8mins Dublin bike to Stephens green...

That would be faster than the timetable. It's more like 25. Often longer if it has to wait to get into Connolly. I can get off at Drumcondra and cycle from there and be quicker to the luas stop outside Connolly than staying on the train.

That said it is a lot less work/stress than driving...

Zaph · 15-10-2017 9:10pm

lucernarian wrote: »

If we're talking about "cyclists being hated by everybody" then perhaps take a glance in the mirror before saying someone else should come off the high horse. Whenever I do cycle in Dublin, I get beeped at and cursed for simply existing on the road. Like the Main St. / Clonsilla road slip road. Try leaving the bus lane there to go in the direction of the Garda station and see what happens when you get in the way of a car suddenly turning left. I guarantee you this stupid hatred of cycling wouldn't change even if everyone always respected traffic signals, lane position and having lights on at night. Ultimately bikes slow people going from A to B on the narrower roads around D15 and many other places.

Well my own personal dislike of cyclists is as a pedestrian, rather than a motorist. I appreciate that it's often not easy cycling around the area so I will be patient when behind a cyclist and give them plenty of room when overtaking. However I do also have to avoid getting run over by one or more cyclists on an almost daily basis at Guild Street on my way to and from Docklands station because so many of them are incapable of obeying red traffic lights.

beauf · 15-10-2017 9:21pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Dropping kids to school are the primary cause..traffic is almost non existent in the summer months

Its a lot lighter. But there are still traffic jams at peak times. Though peak time shrink.

lucernarian · 15-10-2017 11:49pm

Zaph wrote: »

Well my own personal dislike of cyclists is as a pedestrian, rather than a motorist. I appreciate that it's often not easy cycling around the area so I will be patient when behind a cyclist and give them plenty of room when overtaking. However I do also have to avoid getting run over by one or more cyclists on an almost daily basis at Guild Street on my way to and from Docklands station because so many of them are incapable of obeying red traffic lights.

Not all of them do that. And you're less likely to notice the ones who obey the rules anyway. Not a great reason to hate all cyclists or cycling. I'm saying we could do much more to give it a help to deal with traffic congestion (and to reward safe and legal cycling).

amtc · 16-10-2017 1:16am

I worked in Carrickmines. 22 minutes by car. 3 hours by bus Luas and walking plus I got wet.

Dublin 15 is going to get a lot more congested.

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