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Promising Young Woman

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  • #92
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    I think the film is absolutely brilliant up to the point where
    they burned her body
    . It should have ended there. The remainder of the film ruined what came before with a ludicrous ending, especially the
    scheduled texts
    which stretched all credibility.

    A shame as it really would have hit home if Fennell was allowed to use the ending she wanted to use.


  • #93
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    I didn't particuarly like the film, but people should still watch it and make up their own mind - it's definitely an interesting watch. Any suggestion it is some sort of 'MeToo propaganda' is utter nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

    So what was the going to clubs and pretending to be drunk thing about?

    The movie was pure revenge feminism


  • #94
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    It's definitely a feminist film but I wouldn't consider it MeToo propaganda. However I do think MeToo was very much on the minds of the people involved in making it - to it's detriment! Mulligan is great but I also think she was miscast. I think the part required more of a blank slate in the lead role. Mulligan is like Brad Pitt in Troy - adding complexity to a character who isn't and shouldn't be complex.

    While I don't necessarily agree that it should have ended with
    her body being burned
    , I do think the ending doesn't work.

    Overall I liked the premise but not the execution.


  • #95
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    So what was the going to clubs and pretending to be drunk thing about?

    The movie was pure revenge feminism

    That could just be a funny plot device. Like it is in pretty much every other revenge flick ever made. You don't have to read into it politically. It doesn't force you to.

    I've no problem with an otherwise entertaining film also having a happy side effect of depicting the realities of date rape - a crime often ignored.


  • #96
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    So what was the going to clubs and pretending to be drunk thing about?

    If you've seen this movie and you still don't understand this, if you don't recognise the scenarios.......... don't recognise the characters in the movie...... don't recognise the attitudes in the movie..... don't recognise the comments made in the movie..... then there's something up.

    You can call it "revenge feminism" all you want. But you can only do so if you are also denying that any of the themes in the movie are accurate.

    If not, but you are taking all of this into account and still dismissing this as "revenge feminism" then the issue is not the movie, it is you. Yo are the type of person that the movie is describing and are making the movie's point on it's behalf.


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  • #97
    Addle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭Addle


    I think what makes Carey Mulligan brilliant is her voice. She has a great voice. Very easy to pay attention to.

    I liked the film. I thought the casting made it.


  • #98
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    If you've seen this movie and you still don't understand this, if you don't recognise the scenarios.......... don't recognise the characters in the movie...... don't recognise the attitudes in the movie..... don't recognise the comments made in the movie..... then there's something up.

    You can call it "revenge feminism" all you want. But you can only do so if you are also denying that any of the themes in the movie are accurate.

    If not, but you are taking all of this into account and still dismissing this as "revenge feminism" then the issue is not the movie, it is you. Yo are the type of person that the movie is describing and are making the movie's point on it's behalf.

    Yawn


  • #99
    Outkast_IRE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    If you've seen this movie and you still don't understand this, if you don't recognise the scenarios.......... don't recognise the characters in the movie...... don't recognise the attitudes in the movie..... don't recognise the comments made in the movie..... then there's something up.

    You can call it "revenge feminism" all you want. But you can only do so if you are also denying that any of the themes in the movie are accurate.

    If not, but you are taking all of this into account and still dismissing this as "revenge feminism" then the issue is not the movie, it is you. Yo are the type of person that the movie is describing and are making the movie's point on it's behalf.
    You are making some mighty leaps here on someone you dont know, based on a few comments on a movie review. Debate the post , taking a shot at the poster is the first step to losing any debate.

    Opinions are allowed that differ from your own viewpoint its the basis of healthy debate.

    I think feminism revenge fantasy is a broadly accurate description of the movie. Mostly because of the way the material has been handled and every single male character is shown as a rapist , potential rapist or enabler, which is ridiculous bordering on the fantastical.

    As i said earlier if a movie was made in the morning which showed every single female character in its entire runtime in such a bad light certain movements would be up in arms.


  • #100
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    So what was the going to clubs and pretending to be drunk thing about?

    The movie was pure revenge feminism

    Are you making up new genres?

    "It's Mercy, Compassion And Forgiveness I Lack. Not Rationality!" - Kill Bill


  • #101
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Outkast_IRE wrote: »
    You are making some mighty leaps here on someone you dont know.....

    Oh yeah?
    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Yawn

    I know enough ;)


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  • #102
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Oh yeah?



    I know enough ;)

    sure you do :rolleyes:


  • #103
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    sure you do :rolleyes:

    Yawn!


  • #104
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Keep it friendly please everyone.


  • #105
    Xaniaj
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭Xaniaj


    Outkast_IRE wrote: »

    As i said earlier if a movie was made in the morning which showed every single female character in its entire runtime in such a bad light certain movements would be up in arms.

    To be fair, the women depicted in this aren't painted in a great light either. Her 'revenge' isn't limited to men.


  • #106
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Xaniaj wrote: »
    To be fair, the women depicted in this aren't painted in a great light either. Her 'revenge' isn't limited to men.

    Yep very few characters are painted sympathetically other than minor supporting ones, and IMO the film certainly doesn't give Cassie a free pass for some of her actions.

    Perhaps the only character granted a redemptive story
    is Alfred Molina's lawyer - he doesn't have much screen time, but he is clearly forgiven for his role in the mess
    .


  • #107
    EddieN75
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭EddieN75


    Not a very good movie I thought. Forced "look at me " kind of agenda. Similar to the female Ghostbusters but nowhere near as poor.

    In my opinion 5/10


  • #108
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,886 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Started watching it last night, enjoyed it so far


  • #109
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Xaniaj wrote: »
    To be fair, the women depicted in this aren't painted in a great light either. Her 'revenge' isn't limited to men.

    yes , the Alison Brie character and the dean of the university character are targeted for not being loyal to the cause

    its a vigilante flick essentially


  • #110
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    yes , the Alison Brie character and the dean of the university character are targeted for not being loyal to the cause

    Exactly.

    Those with the "revenge feminism" and "agenda driven" narrative seem to focus on the men being painted badly but not the women, who are painted just as badly.

    They also fail to acknowledge the actual scenarios the movie throws up. Why? Because to confirm what the movie is saying rings true would undermine their own flimsy argument.


  • #111
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Exactly.

    Those with the "revenge feminism" and "agenda driven" narrative seem to focus on the men being painted badly but not the women, who are painted just as badly.

    They also fail to acknowledge the actual scenarios the movie throws up. Why? Because to confirm what the movie is saying rings true would undermine their own flimsy argument.

    No , women who are judged not to be sufficient allies are often demonised by the feminist movement , the movie portrays this , the Carey Mulligan character was merciless towards both female characters , one of them believed her daughter had been kidnapped , the other that she had unconsciously cheated on her husband having been set up by Mulligan , punishment for disloyalty

    revenge flick as i said


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  • #112
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,158 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Similar to Richard in dead mans shoes ,
    Hunter becomes the monster


  • #113
    Outkast_IRE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Exactly.

    Those with the "revenge feminism" and "agenda driven" narrative seem to focus on the men being painted badly but not the women, who are painted just as badly.

    They also fail to acknowledge the actual scenarios the movie throws up. Why? Because to confirm what the movie is saying rings true would undermine their own flimsy argument.

    The most hated target of feminist movements are often women who do not agree with their viewpoint and it's often far more viscous as women are more vulnerable to certain types of bullying and harrasament.

    The movie does touch on some very real issues unfortunately it's taken to the extreme, to it's detriment as plenty of people have said it's a fantasy .


  • #114
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Outkast_IRE wrote: »
    The movie does touch on some very real issues .......

    Gets them pretty spot on though


  • #115
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    I think if this truly was a feminist circle jerk the main character would have been much less problematic.

    I don't think she's a hero.


  • #116
    bb1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Xaniaj wrote: »
    To be fair, the women depicted in this aren't painted in a great light either. Her 'revenge' isn't limited to men.

    Yes, there's literally no characters painted in a flattering light. Even her parents are unsympathetic and harsh. Maybe the cafe owner, is the only character who seems to have no immediately obvious personality flaw or problem.


  • #117
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,158 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    errlloyd wrote: »
    I think if this truly was a feminist circle jerk the main character would have been much less problematic.

    I don't think she's a hero.

    She’s not meant to be hero , she crossed the line and became the monster she fighting.

    Good insight into the issues women face which seems (by this thread) unbelievable to some lads


  • #118
    bb1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    errlloyd wrote: »
    I think if this truly was a feminist circle jerk the main character would have been much less problematic.

    I don't think she's a hero.

    I don't think she's supposed to be a hero. She's a dark hero or anti-hero at best. To me her character demonstrated very tragically how sexual abuse can destroy and torment a soul til the end of their days. Many victims don't get over it, move beyond it, or ever recover from what happened to them. It literally consumes them forever. It's devastating to watch this downward spiral , all you can feel is disappointment that a woman like her with so much ahead of her in life (great career, bright etc)yet she can't better herself and pull her self up.Throughout the movie you are left wondering why she is wasting her life in such bitterness when it is not leading to anything worthwhile. She had so much else to live for, but it's impossible to move beyond.

    But then you wonder, why am I putting this on her again, why are we asking that she must move on, why is it all on her to do this. Justice wasn't served, she should be angry and bitter until that changes. Really the only thing we should see as the way forward here is the rapist being called out, losing their credibility ,status and career and being prosecuted, not the victims moving on. That is the step that comes after retribution. So it's not just the fact that her friend was raped that caused her to put her life on hold. That's not why she threw it away, it's the lack of justice and lack of recognition of pain which destroyed her. And how will society ever improve in this regard if this continues to happen, when women are just expected to take it on the chin and let it go if authorities can't help out. How could we possibly be so callous as to expect these women improve themselves, when the man who caused this all continues to coast through repercussion free and hasn't suffered in any kind of way she did?

    So really, I don't see her as a hero, I saw her as very powerless woman, left adrift and let down at every turn by those around her, devastated and hardened by what happened, doing what little she can to serve her own style of justice in other ways, even if it is not quite rational. But it gave her some kind of satisfaction and control over her life, even if we as viewers can see that it is probably not achieving anything she would have considered worthwhile or beneficial if she was in a normal healthy frame of mind.


  • #119
    shazzerman
    Registered Users Posts: 637 ✭✭✭shazzerman


    Outkast_IRE wrote: »
    The most hated target of feminist movements are often women who do not agree with their viewpoint and it's often far more viscous as women are more vulnerable to certain types of bullying and harrasament.

    The movie does touch on some very real issues unfortunately it's taken to the extreme, to it's detriment as plenty of people have said it's a fantasy .

    Do you mean they do go with the flow, or they don't go with the flow? ;)


  • #120
    2smiggy
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    https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1385643642904354817


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  • #121
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Thought this was great, would rate it 8/10. Don't think I've ever seen Carey Mulligan give a bad performance, a great actress. This was certainly the best of the Best Picture nominees I've seen so far anyway.

    It won't win though, Frances McDormand driving around America being poor and sad and talking to other people who're also poor and sad is obviously a better movie.


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