Golf coverage/commentator discussion thread!! Mod note #12

Mysterypunter wrote: »

My point is that his achievements in the game bear nlation to the level he is talking about, he is in the studio talking about the psychology and mentality required to win majors, but hardly won anything himself. Its not a dislike for the man, just a reflection on the coverage, that the way he goes on you would think he was Tom Watson, but nobody ever pulls them on it. It's the same with the cricket coverage, ex players with not much in the book, talking as if they were Don Bradman.

How many sports psychologists have won majors?

Maybe it's something he enjoys and reads up on and having been on tour for so long maybe he can talk from experience and if his psychology and mentality was better he'd have done better.

Like every pundit in every sport on sky they tow the stations line for fear of being dropped.

Mysterypunter wrote: »

My point is that his achievements in the game bear nlation to the level he is talking about, he is in the studio talking about the psychology and mentality required to win majors, but hardly won anything himself. Its not a dislike for the man, just a reflection on the coverage, that the way he goes on you would think he was Tom Watson, but nobody ever pulls them on it. It's the same with the cricket coverage, ex players with not much in the book, talking as if they were Don Bradman.

ah, so by that criteria you must be a big fan of Faldo in the booth?

Mc Ginley is one I can't warm to him at all. He is one for the one liners and repeating himself about them in the studio. Especially around the psychology of game. One week he seems to be in love with Rory next he is nailing him.

He has done well for himself. Won his first event from a mile back after posting a 60 or something. I'd put him in the always comfortable in keeping his card but couldn't really make that next step up to contend in the big events bar the odd couple. I don't think he did enough to get Ryder Cup captain and I'd put Bjorn in that category also. Right place and right time probably helped him.

Roe can't stand him also.

I like radar and Beemer. He'll be missed when goes to champions tour. Coltart isn't bad either. Not afraid to take digs at Bryson. Nick is another that has fallen on his feet with Sky.

Boxie isn't bad either.

Murray can have his moments of shut up please.

Ridiculous arguments by mystery.
Alex Ferguson, Jurgen Klopp and Pepp. 3 nothing players when it came to football, so naturally they would make sh1te managers..... sure they weren’t good enough to play at the top level (unlike McKinley who did compete at the top level in his sport) so of course they really should be only good enough to manage Vauxhall conference league teams.

GreeBo wrote: »

He got Ryder Cup because he does/did a huge amount for the players behind the scenes, was the player rep for a number of years.

That is fair enough but would you say the same if it was Philip Price. Paul Lawrie should be ahead of him as captain.

Seve OB wrote: »

Ridiculous arguments by mystery.
Alex Ferguson, Jurgen Klopp and Pepp. 3 nothing players when it came to football, so naturally they would make sh1te managers..... sure they weren’t good enough to play at the top level (unlike McKinley who did compete at the top level in his sport) so of course they really should be only good enough to manage Vauxhall conference league teams.

You can't compare Ryder Cup captain to football manager. Roles are completely different

callaway92 wrote: »

Uhm. Are you getting mixed up calling Pep a nothing player? Multiple La Liga titles and a consistent starter for Barca for years. Nearly 50 Spain caps etc too.

Handy golfer as well!

GreeBo wrote: »

Why would Laurie be ahead of him?
Perhaps if you only see the captains position as honorary and not being a skill in its own right that would make sense, its like an award, but many people including myself wouldnt see it that way at all.

Not following your Phillip Price question tbh.

It is an honorary thing. Just look at the vast majority of captains.

If Philip price did the same things behind the seens like Paul would you give him the captain role

GreeBo wrote: »

Question makes no sense tbh.
He didn't do them so he didn't get the role. If McGinley hadn't done it he wouldn't have got the role either.

If he did would you agree to him been a captain. I seriously doubt it. Your think captain should be based on what they do off the course.

It’s great that we can both have different opinions

GreeBo wrote: »

No, I think it's based on the overall view of the person, on and off the course.
Sometimes it's more about their success on (faldo) sometimes it's more off (McGinley)
Sometimes it's neither (Clarke)

Harsh on Clarke, he was twice the player McGinley was.

SeeMoreBut wrote: »

Mc Ginley is one I can't warm to him at all. He is one for the one liners and repeating himself about them in the studio. Especially around the psychology of game. One week he seems to be in love with Rory next he is nailing him.

He has done well for himself. Won his first event from a mile back after posting a 60 or something. I'd put him in the always comfortable in keeping his card but couldn't really make that next step up to contend in the big events bar the odd couple. I don't think he did enough to get Ryder Cup captain and I'd put Bjorn in that category also. Right place and right time probably helped him.

Roe can't stand him also.

I like radar and Beemer. He'll be missed when goes to champions tour. Coltart isn't bad either. Not afraid to take digs at Bryson. Nick is another that has fallen on his feet with Sky.

Boxie isn't bad either.

Murray can have his moments of shut up please.

Bjorn is one of the most successful players in the history of the European tour. He was also one of the only European threats to win majors between Lawrie in '99 and Harrington in '07, and was very close to getting over the lines on 3 occasions. The only European players with more wins in Europe that have not been Ryder Cup captain are Sergio Garcia, Lee Westwood, Sandy Lyle & MA Jimenez.

2 of those 4 are still playing fairly competitively and will almost certainly get a squeak. Jimenez is still very competitive for his age and probably pays a bit for his limited skills in English (a sadly negative point against the way these things go) as well as his probable lower interest in doing the job. Lyle missed the boat and doesn't seem like a guy others would have rallied for anyway.

McGinley was much less of a stellar candidate but 5 wins is nothing to be sniffed at either. He got on those RC teams on merit, and was an asset to the 3 RC contests he was part of, and won. He didn't just get the captaincy because of his quality as a player, if it did it would have gone to somebody else. He played the game in getting the role and when he got it he didn't let anybody down. His captaincy was a roaring success.

I would agree with the idea that his profile now success he was a bigger player in the world of golf than his regular Tour career really was, so for that I say fair point. He's in the media business now though so a part of that deal in promoting yourself in the best possible way.

They all obey orders. Radar's are to be entertaining. Mark Roe's were to talk up Tiger (a job he seems to have passed to Coltart). McGinley's job is to help Sarah make sense of it all, which he does quite well.

McGinley knows the game and the tour backwards and I'd love to hear him speak his mind. Won't happen unfortunately but he's the best of them nonetheless.

Justin Thomas turns the air blue. Cue half the wholesome golf-watching parents of America

El Sue14263501 wrote:

JT is number one in the world rankings and also the f-bomb rankings for the week

The way sky ****themselves when someone curses is completely OTT. I mean, are we really that sensitive as viewers.