Dublin Bus selling some of its VTs

ITV2 · 18-12-2018 10:43pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Yeah but in January and February the 17, 18, 114 and 161 will all be gone from Donnybrook which should free up buses and drivers. Although I'm not sure how they'll manage it as the new route 155 will be introduced and the 54a will be getting an increase unless they can recruit enough drivers.

and the 11's

Stephen15 · 18-12-2018 10:51pm

ITV2 wrote: »

and the 11's

Is the 11 due to get an increase? Not according to this NTA piece.

Improvements to the following Dublin Bus routes will be introduced on a phased basis as driver and vehicle resources become available over the coming months.

Route 1 - Santry to Sandymount via City Centre
Route 4 - Harristown to Monkstown via Ballymun Road, City Centre and Ballsbridge
Route 13 – Harristown to Grange Castle via Ballymun Road, City Centre and Clondalkin
Route 16 – Dublin Airport to Ballinteer via Santry, City Centre and Rathfarnham
Route 25a – Lucan Esker to Merrion Square via Chapelizod Bypass and City Centre
Route 25b – Adamstown to Merrion Square via Chapelizod Bypass and City Centre
Route 26 – Palmerstown to Merrion Square via Chapelizod Village and City Centre
Route 38 – Damastown to Burlington Road via New Cabra Road, Phibsborough and City Centre
Route 38a – Damastown to Burlington Road via New Cabra Road, Phibsborough and City Centre
Route 39a – Ongar to UCD Belfield via Blanchardstown Centre, Old Cabra Road and City Centre
NEW Route 40e – Tyrellstown to Broombridge Luas via West Finglas
NEW Route 45 from Bray DART Station to Ikea via N11/Stillorgan Road, City Centre and Ballymun
Route 54a – Kiltipper to Pearse Street via Tallaght and Harold’s Cross
Route 66 Maynooth to Merrion Square via Chapelizod Village and City Centre
Route 66a – Leixlip Captain’s Hill to Merrion Square via Chapelizod Village ad City Centre
Route 66b – Leixlip Castletown to Merrion Square via Chapelizod Village and City Centre
NEW Route 66e – Maynooth to Merrion Square via Glen Easton, Chapelizod Village and City Centre
Route 70 – Dunboyne to Burlington Road via Blanchardstown Bypass, Old Cabra Road and City Centre
Route 83 – Harristown to Kimmage via Glasnevin, Phibsboro and City Cetre
Route 84/a – Newcastle to Blackrock via Greystones and Bray

punisher5112 · 19-12-2018 1:09am

The 11 is getting a new bill and new Mon to Friday duties like a few others.

Radio Gold · 19-12-2018 8:58pm

What about the 7 and 7A routes, no sign of them either

Stephen15 · 19-12-2018 9:15pm

Radio Gold wrote: »

What about the 7 and 7A routes, no sign of them either

Not due to get an increase. The 4 got a fairly substantial increase which likely covers that corridor and the 45a did too which covers the Sallynoggin area.

thomasj · 22-12-2018 2:33pm

It's crazy at the time of year that they decided to withdraw them.

39s, 39As, even the 39Ns have been busy with them since the start of December. I'm sure the ones withdrawn would have come in handy with the Christmas time rush on the Donnybrook routes.

john boye · 22-12-2018 4:09pm

thomasj wrote: »

It's crazy at the time of year that they decided to withdraw them.

Was only thinking this earlier. Why couldn't they have waited until the 155 starts at least? To replace them all with much lower capacity buses on one of the busiest weeks of the year with no service improvements is reckless and frankly insulting to regular users

tabbey · 05-01-2019 1:00am

Saw VT on 46A, twice today.

2007 reg, but could not see the individual number.

Have some of these been transferred to Donnybrook to replace the 2005 VT fleet?

thomasj · 05-01-2019 1:05am

tabbey wrote: »

Saw VT on 46A, twice today.

2007 reg, but could not see the individual number.

Have some of these been transferred to Donnybrook to replace the 2005 VT fleet?

No.

There's always been a number of 07 reg VTs at Donnybrook. VT21-VT35 if memory serves me correctly

Stephen15 · 05-01-2019 1:16am

thomasj wrote: »

No.

There's always been a number of 07 reg VTs at Donnybrook. VT21-VT35 if memory serves me correctly

Correct they mainly seem to work the 145 but also do the 46a aswell as the 84x and 116 at peak times.

punisher5112 · 05-01-2019 7:14am

2005 are all gone unfortunately.

The 2007 were transferred from phibsborough many years ago.

They had done service in that garage for a few years before hand.

hmmm · 05-01-2019 1:17pm

I loved these buses, comfortable to ride on with little rolling, individual seats, lots of capacity. They also seemed to be less prone to steaming up and becoming uncomfortable inside?

I'd have thought under the new proposed system, having large capacity buses like these running up and down wide bus corridors would be perfect, and a good way to carry the same capacity but with fewer drivers.

Stephen15 · 05-01-2019 3:44pm

hmmm wrote: »

I loved these buses, comfortable to ride on with little rolling, individual seats, lots of capacity. They also seemed to be less prone to steaming up and becoming uncomfortable inside?

I'd have thought under the new proposed system, having large capacity buses like these running up and down wide bus corridors would be perfect, and a good way to carry the same capacity but with fewer drivers.

What the NTA seem to want is to increase capacity through additional buses and additional drivers rather than larger buses.

dfx- · 05-01-2019 11:13pm

Capacity is a long way below emissions, running costs, maintenance costs, fleet uniformity, USB ports and Wifi. Capacity is somewhere down the bottom of the rankings with passenger comfort.

The 07s will face the same early fate too no doubt as the NTA would get rid of them now if they could.

The 07 VTs transferred over to Donnybrook from Broadstone when the 145 was extended to Heuston under Network Direct, which caused uproar at the time. The extra capacity was seen as the solution....

Stephen15 · 05-01-2019 11:29pm

dfx- wrote: »

Capacity is a long way below emissions, running costs, maintenance costs, fleet uniformity, USB ports and Wifi. Capacity is somewhere down the bottom of the rankings with passenger comfort.

The 07s will face the same early fate too no doubt as the NTA would get rid of them now if they could.

The 07 VTs transferred over to Donnybrook from Broadstone when the 145 was extended to Heuston under Network Direct, which caused uproar at the time. The extra capacity was seen as the solution....

You do realise that extra capacity is being invested in. The 20 VTs that were recently withdrawn were replaced by 30 or 40 SGs can't remember exactly how many have been bought but there has been an increase and certainly not a reduction in the capacity. As 30/40 SGs would represent far more capcity than 20 VTs.

The VTs were very handy during ND when capacity was severly reduced due to the recession. It's generally been DB standard practice to withdraw buses after 13 or 14 years which these were since the last KD/Cs were withdrawn. Not only does it enhance the passenger experience but it also reduces operating costs for DB or GAI as newer buses require less maintenance and are more fuel efficient.

Enthusiasts will always tell you an older bus is better than a new one. When the AVs were new they were going on about how much better the RV, RA and RHs were but now they all love the AVs and think the SGs are heaps of junk in ten years when there's a new class of bus they'll probably be waxing lyrical about how great the SGs are and how terrible the new buses are and so on and so forth.

punisher5112 · 06-01-2019 12:40am

Have you sat on an sg.... Wow they are pure crap..,..

This light weight excuse is rubbish...

Anyone ever here of a few extra screws and proper glue.

You want to experience every little people, tiny hair line crack then get these.

My back is killing me driving these heaps.

Stephen15 · 06-01-2019 12:56am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Have you sat on an sg.... Wow they are pure crap..,..

This light weight excuse is rubbish...

Anyone ever here of a few extra screws and proper glue.

You want to experience every little people, tiny hair line crack then get these.

My back is killing me driving these heaps.

I honestly don't find them anymore uncomfortable than any other DB bus in the fleet I can't comment on the drivers seat as I'm not a bus driver. I don't see how their any less comfortable than a VT considering both have the same style of seats. Bench seats are slightly more comfortable I will admit but people like to manspread on them so that's the compromise.

The only other bus on the large scale UK/Ireland double deck market is the Enviro 400 MMC which are meant to be fairly similar but they're on the same Volvo chassis and engine as with the SG. Oh and the the less common MCV EvoSeti but again on the same chassis and engine as the SG also meant to be fairly lightweight.

punisher5112 · 06-01-2019 1:09am

Stephen15 wrote: »

I honestly don't find them anymore uncomfortable than any other DB bus in the fleet I can't comment on the drivers seat as I'm not a bus driver. I don't see how their any less comfortable than a VT considering both have the same style of seats. Bench seats are slightly more comfortable I will admit but people like to manspread on them so that's the compromise.

The only other bus on the large scale UK/Ireland double deck market is the Enviro 400 MMC which are meant to be fairly similar but they're on the same Volvo chassis and engine as with the SG. Oh and the the less common MCV EvoSeti but again on the same chassis and engine as the SG also meant to be fairly lightweight.

The ev were great as their length was the same as an RV so much better getting around town as are the sg as less likely to hit anything with the tail swing.

I found the 2007 vt to not be as comfortable as the 2005 as the rear suspension when it would hit a pot hole or ramp it would release the air and them hit very hard on the next one, this seemed to be some valve issue but has never been fixed.

The 2005 were very powerful and were a dream to drive.

The RV were also very fast and very comfortable.

The sg have some good points such as you can put air to feet or dash or mix which 1st came on a wv but never worked but after the a VG/SG which is an improvement.

I've been a passenger on all and I'm not just saying it but you feel every single bump in the sg and I've had so many say it to me also including oh you were going a bit fast there.,.... Doing 20km/h or less as I've actually slowed for the road conditions.

The bus sways a lot more also.

Stephen15 · 06-01-2019 1:31am

I really liked the RVs too myself they were very comfortable and the heating on them was good in the winter they were also very well built and felt very solid on the road. Only complaint was the sliding windows which were often jammed and didn't let much air in if the bus was warm and the windows would often get fogged up.

But I can understand it's only right that DB has 100% lowfloor fleet other than I'd say no bus DB have had since the RV has come close in terms of build quality. Although the VG class are meant to quite good but I've only ever travelled on one once as all the routes in my area are Donnybrook operated. Worst buses were probably the WVs always felt like they were about to clap out.

thomasj · 06-01-2019 1:33am

Just with regards to the SG Vs VT debate.

I had a thought over the weekend , when I was on a train home, that the SGs were like the commuter railcars and VTs like the intercity railcars.

How so you may ask......

The VTs I find to have the more comfortable seats so when you're on a less busy VT, like on an intercity train when it's not busy and you have a seat to yourself it's a pleasant experience.

However, over December , I had experiences , on a 39A, where I was downstairs with a total of 30 people standing and it was the most cramped conditions, more so everytime someone was trying to come down from upstairs and you're trying to squeeze to help, it makes it even worse when there's a wheelchair or buggy user on.

The biggest mistake Dublin bus made, was only putting 1 set of doors on its VT buses.

This is where I compared to the intercity trains. Comfortable if youre sitting but there's been a lot of issues with mechanical issues resulting in shorter intercity trains and Irish rail have been getting a lot of complaints about capacity issues on these intercity and I have stood before on packed intercity trains and it's not a nice experience.

The SGs are like commuter trains because, they may have less seats , but more space downstairs and wider as well making it more comfortable for those who have to stand.

That's my thought

dublinman1990 · 11-04-2019 8:57pm

I watched a YT video on the new tri-axle bus for Lothian just now. It showed the inside of the bus, after showing some outside clips of it, when it was going on the 11 route to Hyvot Bank. The red lighting inside is switched on on both decks all the time. It has 2 big displays on each deck of the bus; 1 of them shows the next stops on the route; the other display shows a video about Lothian's 100 anniversary. On the top deck the displays are stuck on the front window.

The top deck also has a sun roof near the back to let in light during days of brighter weather.

I just wished that Dublin Bus could have had some of them if the NTA gave approval to purchase them. These buses look very well when out on the road.

devnull · 11-04-2019 9:51pm

I'm sorry, but having two massive screens at the front upstairs is just having screens for screens sake - there is no need for two, one is plenty and it just obscures the view. That's just nonsensical.

Also there doesn't seem to be an additional buggy space, have to say that that's a very poor choice of layout for a capital city on such a long vehicle - the front row of seats on the right should be taken out.

Not a fan of the lighting either, give me proper white lighting any day which it's far easier to read in than red lights and the white spotlights that they are using.

There's no disputing it's a beautiful looking bus, but it's a little style over substance in some areas to me. If the NTA would purchase some they'd hopefully go with a spec to address these issues.

Stephen15 · 11-04-2019 10:19pm

Agreed devnull the interior is awful looking not sure what they were thinking with the red lights. It looks like a coach rather than an urban bus on the inside very much style over functionality not sure why tinted windows would ever be on a city bus.

There wouldn't be a chance such a design would ever pass an NDA consultation considering the fuss they kicked up with the new TFI/GAI buses and rightly so as it is very disability unfriendly from the dark interior to the lack of segregated pram space and the fold down seats in the wheelchair bay which are a big no no as far as I'm concerned.

They seem to have placed a big emphasis here on seated space which is the complete opposite of the direction the NTA are going as it looks likes they are focusing on buying buses with reduced seating and increased standing space. Afaik the Enviro 400XLB is just a stretched Enviro 400 and does not offer any increased power that an Enviro 500 would offer over an Enviro 400 or an ALX400 similar to the way the Streetlite Max is just a stretched Streetlite. For a new bus it already looks to be rattling around the dash similar to how an EV would.

devnull · 11-04-2019 10:29pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Agreed devnull the interior is awful looking not sure what they were thinking with the red lights. It looks like a coach rather than an urban bus on the inside very much style over functionality not sure why tinted windows would ever be on a city bus.

There wouldn't be a chance such a design would ever pass an NDA consultation considering the fuss they kicked up with the new TFI/GAI buses and rightly so as it is very disability unfriendly from the dark interior to the lack of segregated pram space and the fold down seats in the wheelchair bay which are a big no no as far as I'm concerned.

They clearly wanted to go for the marketing claim of having 100 seats on the bus, if they didn't have the pull down seats and had an actual buggy space they would be on something like 95 seats and that wouldn't sound so good, but it saddens me that it is probably a bigger consideration than ensuring the bus service is properly accessible to all members of society.

Unfortunately as with many things nowadays, sounding good in theory in a marketing campaign is deemed as being more important than actually being practical in reality. Personally I'd always go for a seperate buggy space and a wheelchair space over a couple more seats on a decker as it prevents the whole argument about wheelchair vs buggies that can cause a lot of tension for those who need to use a wheelchair.

Afaik the Enviro 400XLB is just a stretched Enviro 400 and does not offer any increased power that an Enviro 500 would offer over an Enviro 400 or an ALX400 similar to the way the Streetlite Max is just a stretched Streetlite. For a new bus it already looks to be rattling around the dash similar to how an EV would.

It's a stretched Enviro 400 MMC with a few changes, the MMC is a better bus than the original Enviro 400 (the EV) but it still inherits some of the issues that the original model had whilst fixing others.

punisher5112 · 12-04-2019 1:14am

Here is a photo of an ex db one.....

Looks smashing...

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 12-04-2019 10:30am

devnull wrote: »

They clearly wanted to go for the marketing claim of having 100 seats on the bus, if they didn't have the pull down seats and had an actual buggy space they would be on something like 95 seats and that wouldn't sound so good, but it saddens me that it is probably a bigger consideration than ensuring the bus service is properly accessible to all members of society.

Unfortunately as with many things nowadays, sounding good in theory in a marketing campaign is deemed as being more important than actually being practical in reality. Personally I'd always go for a seperate buggy space and a wheelchair space over a couple more seats on a decker as it prevents the whole argument about wheelchair vs buggies that can cause a lot of tension for those who need to use a wheelchair.

It's a stretched Enviro 400 MMC with a few changes, the MMC is a better bus than the original Enviro 400 (the EV) but it still inherits some of the issues that the original model had whilst fixing others.

We shouldn't have buggy spaces on buses anyway. 4 seats are better than 4 people standing just for the sake of a buggy

Buggies shouldn't be allowed on a bus unfolded at anytime because they are too much of an annoyance to everyone.

I think UK companies are doing better than us in the respect. We've done fine without spaces for them before and we sure well do it again

punisher5112 · 12-04-2019 10:38am

Buggies are a scourge.....

Pain in both me b####.....

GM228 · 12-04-2019 10:48am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Here is a photo of an ex db one.....

Looks smashing...

With a nice DRL light upgrade, wonder if it managed to get double rear UK licence plates like it got with DB (highly unlikely).

dfx- · 12-04-2019 4:33pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Here is a photo of an ex db one.....

Looks smashing...

They got a good one in VT7 too. Not put off by the single door I notice.

and neither are Lothian having been in Edinburgh this week.

Stephen15 · 12-04-2019 5:14pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

We shouldn't have buggy spaces on buses anyway. 4 seats are better than 4 people standing just for the sake of a buggy

Buggies shouldn't be allowed on a bus unfolded at anytime because they are too much of an annoyance to everyone.

I think UK companies are doing better than us in the respect. We've done fine without spaces for them before and we sure well do it again

I don't see the harm in an unfolded buggy as long there isn't a conflicting wheelchair on the bus. The arrival of low floor buses and trams has certainly made public transport more accessible to people who wouldn't have nessecarily used it in the past including parents with small children, people with disabilities and the elderly. That can only be regarded as a positive surely.

If you banned unfolded buggies you could create more hassle as I could see situations where drivers will not police such a rule meaning people will park buggies in the wheelchair space in the absence of a buggy space. These buses are massive and can well afford to have a buggy space. Whatever about the lack of an additional buggy space having a set of fold down seats in the wheelchair space could create serious issues.

Also standing passengers typically take up less room than seated passengers so 4 seats may equal to 5 or 6 standee places. Despite their large size these buses can only take 2 more standing passengers than an SG which has room for 28 standees this has 30.

I think we are doing better than most UK operators in terms of accessibility with separate buggy and wheelchair spaces, dual doors, bright interiors, bright easy to see from a distance livery and yellow handrails.

punisher5112 · 12-04-2019 5:16pm

GM228 wrote: »

With a nice DRL light upgrade, wonder if it managed to get double rear UK licence plates like it got with DB (highly unlikely).

Double licence plates???

Stephen15 · 12-04-2019 5:17pm

dfx- wrote: »

They got a good one in VT7 too. Not put off by the single door I notice.

and neither are Lothian having been in Edinburgh this week.

The bus appears to be used mostly for private hires rather than public service so there's no real need for dual doors. The Lothian buses in Edinburgh do have dual doors.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 12-04-2019 5:29pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

I don't see the harm in an unfolded buggy as long there isn't a conflicting wheelchair on the bus. The arrival of low floor buses and trams has certainly made public transport more accessible to people who wouldn't have nessecarily used it in the past including parents with small children, people with disabilities and the elderly. That can only be regarded as a positive surely.

If you banned unfolded buggies you could create more hassle as I could see situations where drivers will not police such a rule meaning people will park buggies in the wheelchair space in the absence of a buggy space. These buses are massive and can well afford to have a buggy space. Whatever about the lack of an additional buggy space having a set of fold down seats in the wheelchair space could create serious issues.

Also standing passengers typically take up less room than seated passengers so 4 seats may equal to 5 or 6 standee places. Despite their large size these buses can only take 2 more standing passengers than an SG which has room for 28 standees this has 30.

I think we are doing better than most UK operators in terms of accessibility with separate buggy and wheelchair spaces, dual doors, bright interiors, bright easy to see from a distance livery and yellow handrails.

I think the need of the many out weigh the need of the few here

In no world should we be allowing an unfolded buggy on a packed bus resulting in an additional 6 people being left at a bus stop in the pissing rain

Buggy should be folded in favor of capacity in an already struggling transport system

punisher5112 · 12-04-2019 5:35pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

I think the need of the many out weigh the need of the few here

In no world should we be allowing an unfolded buggy on a packed bus resulting in an additional 6 people being left at a bus stop in the pissing rain

Buggy should be folded in favor of capacity in an already struggling transport system

It's laughable how many now buy buggies that can't be folded, they don't know how to, they don't want to fold which is an epidemic, they have so much stuffed into them it would take a week to clear out.

The amount of disabled intending passengers I've had to leave behind due to the above....

Stephen15 · 12-04-2019 5:37pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

I think the need of the many out weigh the need of the few here

In no world should we be allowing an unfolded buggy on a packed bus resulting in an additional 6 people being left at a bus stop in the pissing rain

Buggy should be folded in favor of capacity in an already struggling transport system

I wouldn't think that happens very often I'm think you'd find most people would happily fold up a buggy if asked politely by the driver or other passengers to make room I'm sure like in most things it's a minority that turn this into an issue. Perhaps if it is an issue then a rule could be introduced that buggies must be folded in the morning between 7 and 9 and in the evening between 4 and 7 similar to the way bikes are banned on trains at peak times.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 12-04-2019 5:43pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

I wouldn't think that happens very often I'm think you'd find most people would happily fold up a buggy if asked politely by the driver or other passengers to make room I'm sure like in most things it's a minority that turn this into an issue. Perhaps if it is an issue then a rule could be introduced that buggies must be folded in the morning between 7 and 9 and in the evening between 4 and 7 similar to the way bikes are banned on trains at peak times.

I have many colleague tell me many stories of having to leave behind wheelchair users because users with buggies were too lazy / ignorant etc to fold a buggy. Including leaving a wheelchair user in the pissing rain after asking the person with buggy several times and explained the situation.

The majority of users with buggies are not as generous as you seem to believe.

Like I say, I prefer the UK system of a wheelchair space available but no buggy space.

TransLink in the NI have a few buses which I found interestng of a single entry front door on a single deck city bus and a wheelchair door on the side for wheelchair entry. Stops any confusion of the space !

punisher5112 · 12-04-2019 5:48pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

I wouldn't think that happens very often I'm think you'd find most people would happily fold up a buggy if asked politely by the driver or other passengers to make room I'm sure like in most things it's a minority that turn this into an issue. Perhaps if it is an issue then a rule could be introduced that buggies must be folded in the morning between 7 and 9 and in the evening between 4 and 7 similar to the way bikes are banned on trains at peak times.

Seriously, I've told you the complete opposite before....
Many won't even answer when asked.

Stephen15 · 12-04-2019 5:53pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

I have many colleague tell me many stories of having to leave behind wheelchair users because users with buggies were too lazy / ignorant etc to fold a buggy. Including leaving a wheelchair user in the pissing rain after asking the person with buggy several times and explained the situation.

The majority of users with buggies are not as generous as you seem to believe.

Like I say, I prefer the UK system of a wheelchair space available but no buggy space.

TransLink in the NI have a few buses which I found interestng of a single entry front door on a single deck city bus and a wheelchair door on the side for wheelchair entry. Stops any confusion of the space !

But in the absence of a buggy space people will use the wheelchair space as a buggy space that what happens on the EVs, VTs and AXs which do not have a separate wheelchair and buggy spot as a ban on unfolded buggies would likely end up un enforced by drivers just like many other bans which is fair enough as the driver is there to drive the bus not enforce rules.

I think most UK bus companies do not have bans on unfolded buggies anyway but just do not provide a separate space for them.

Stephen15 · 12-04-2019 6:01pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Seriously, I've told you the complete opposite before....
Many won't even answer when asked.

Sorry I was still writing my post before you posted. Personally I would ban buggies completely from the wheelchair space and only allow one on in the buggy space.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 12-04-2019 6:06pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Sorry I was still writing my post before you posted. Personally I would ban buggies completely from the wheelchair space and only allow one on in the buggy space.

That still misses the point of leaving people behind at the bus stop due to space taking up by buggy

Flat out all buggies should be folded. They've done it before, no reason they can't again

Stephen15 · 12-04-2019 6:26pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

That still misses the point of leaving people behind at the bus stop due to space taking up by buggy

Flat out all buggies should be folded. They've done it before, no reason they can't again

But my question is would this be enforced or would only some drivers enforce it and others not just like many rules and bans at present what's the point bringing in rules if they are not enforced.

punisher5112 · 12-04-2019 7:12pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Sorry I was still writing my post before you posted. Personally I would ban buggies completely from the wheelchair space and only allow one on in the buggy space.

Under equality this can't happen.....

Obviously I fully understand there are children unfortunately that will have medical conditions or disabilities where they need to be in a buggy or adapted one and have no issues at all with these using the space but the way things are it's a joke.

GM228 · 12-04-2019 7:20pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Double licence plates???

It used to be going around with a plate affixed to the rear window as well as the bumper.

john boye · 12-04-2019 7:45pm

GM228 wrote: »

It used to be going around with a plate affixed to the rear window as well as the bumper.

Pretty obvious explanation for that...

GM228 · 12-04-2019 7:56pm

john boye wrote: »

Pretty obvious explanation for that...

Repainted and forgotten about.

john boye · 12-04-2019 8:04pm

GM228 wrote: »

Repainted and forgotten about.

Yes exactly. Did it have it for long out of interest?

punisher5112 · 12-04-2019 8:07pm

Ah right I get you now..... That was a long time ago.

As above repaint they strip the outer of everything in Donnybrook and fit new panels etc if needed.

Plates are placed inside and new ones fitted with double sided tape after.

GM228 · 12-04-2019 8:10pm

john boye wrote: »

Yes exactly. Did it have it for long out of interest?

I believe so which is why I mentioned it as a bit of a joke.

punisher5112 · 12-04-2019 8:11pm

Jaysus just noticed in that pic it was coming down from O'Neil's pub and onto college green.... That's a long time ago....

Markcheese · 12-04-2019 8:19pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

I think the need of the many out weigh the need of the few here

In no world should we be allowing an unfolded buggy on a packed bus resulting in an additional 6 people being left at a bus stop in the pissing rain

Buggy should be folded in favor of capacity in an already struggling transport system

So say a parent has 2 kids, a buggy and a bag or two, (not unreasonable) do the kids get put on the bus while the stuff is still at the bus stop, or the other way round, cos I doubt you'll get everything on folded up in one go..

Dublin Bus selling some of its VTs

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