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Shakedown at Dublin airport, Circle-K / McDonald's

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  • #102
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    SteM wrote: »
    Agreed, but your plan of calmly walking in and buying food after walking off site and getting clamped would just mean you're paying McDonald's for food and the cost of getting the clamp off. They're not going to remove your clamp because you bought something after getting clamped.

    I doubt they are allowed legally clamp you in the first place, particularly if you have purchased food.

    OP, what authority did you pay the € 125 to ?


  • #103
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I doubt they are allowed legally clamp you in the first place, particularly if you have purchased food.

    OP, what authority did you pay the € 125 to ?

    On the authority of "my house, my rules"


  • #104
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    quad_red wrote: »
    My primary concern here is my appeal hinges on the bloody CCTV that proves my timelines.

    Despite the clamping guys laughing in my face at my appeal that I wasn't even 3 mins ("you were less" :( ) I'm not sure they'll be quite so forthcoming later on.

    How do I get at the CCTV before they make sure it's binned?

    The clamping company is required to keep timed documentation for a number of years, again use the NTA to wave the stick for you.

    The clamping company should also have a claims procedure, do try that first as NTA will likely ask if you have.


  • #105
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    The clamping company is required to keep timed documentation for a number of years, again use the NTA to wave the stick for you.

    The clamping company should also have a claims procedure, do try that first as NTA will likely ask if you have.

    This is the right advice. Don't stress CCTV, just go through the clamping company's appeal process and then go through the NTA one if you don't get satisfaction.

    Photograph the location and signs in case they upgrade them to meet the regulations.

    Make a detailed and precise note of events now so you don't have difficulty recalling anything down the line.

    Meanwhile make a complaint in writing to both the McDonalds premises and Mc Donalds head office.


  • #106
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,584 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    On the authority of "my house, my rules"

    You are right that the authority within the curtilage of your private residence is "my house, my rules".
    This however is a public space to which customers have unfettered access with an implied invitation to enter.
    The management of the area by McDonalds, Circle K and the DAA is questionable to say the least.
    The ambush tactics of the clampers only make a bad situation worse.


  • #107
    imfml
    Registered Users Posts: 466 ✭✭imfml


    I was at the airport this morning. There were at least 15-20 taxis parked in the Topaz area, at pumps, in parking spaces and on double yellow lines. All with the drivers sitting in the car or standing outside the car smoking (at a petrol station 🀪 ). Nobody could care less. I wanted to go into the shop, but couldn’t park. It’s ridiculous there. Glad I’d been warned about the clampers at Mc Donald’s, but I can see why someone might innocently park there for 5 minutes.


  • #108
    vandriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭vandriver


    That's because,whilst McDonald's are clamping,Circle K aren't yet.(they do have a man noting times of vehicles at the pumps,and moving them on,though)
    As an aside,there was a clamper being put in an ambulance,and a (clamped)taxi driver helping police with their enquiries this morning


  • #109
    irishkopite 2011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭irishkopite 2011


    Hey op did you ever get a refund?


  • #110
    Lantus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    Could be solved by fencing between to stop people walking between the premises. Of course that only benefits the consumer....


  • #111
    California Dreamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    0215 and just saw a guy get clamped.


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  • #112
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    SteM wrote: »
    Agreed, but your plan of calmly walking in and buying food after walking off site and getting clamped would just mean you're paying McDonald's for food and the cost of getting the clamp off. They're not going to remove your clamp because you bought something after getting clamped.

    A bottle of water would have sufficed


  • #113
    Irishphotodesk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Irishphotodesk


    It’s been hinted at but there are a number of ways to deal with this.

    Petty but effective : organize as many people as possible to take up all of the parking spaces, if needed everyone might need to enter McDonald’s to purchase something or use the bathroom ... and simply hold the spaces, this will result in McDonald’s learning sales will be down if this is done regularly enough...it will change.

    Learn to pick locks, carry lock picking equipment in your car boot ...if clamped by private clampers, unlock and pass it back to them.(video the return to them to ensure they cannot claim you damaged it)

    Carry an angle grinder: risk of getting charged with criminal damage if seen on cctv or caught in the act.

    Trap them: have someone “asleep” in the back of the car after their long flight (they cannot clamp a vehicle with a person inside), so you could park and head towards the petrol station and your friend can be “woken” by the clampers, if vehicle is clamped it would have been done so illegally.

    (None of the above is actual advice ...just opinion from some random internet person)


  • #114
    California Dreamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    The thing I noticed last night was the clamping van was parked at the entrance. He was taking to a couple of guys in an unmarked Garda car.

    As soon as the punter saw the clamp and started to argue with clamper they pulled away. They returned after clamp was removed and punter left.

    They wouldn’t get involved as it was a civil matter but what would happen if you cut the lock and remove the clamp in front of them?


  • #115
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,586 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    I wonder if there were 4 rough as fcuk guys, one standing at each wheel on a car, would the clampers be so quick as to say "move, I want to clap that car" :D


  • #116
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    vectra wrote: »
    I wonder if there were 4 rough as fcuk guys, one standing at each wheel on a car, would the clampers be so quick as to say "move, I want to clap that car" :D

    You could have 4 children standing at the wheels and they can't touch them.


  • #117
    Lantus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    beggars_bush wrote: »
    A bottle of water would have sufficed

    Purchase at mcdonald's alone is not sufficient at any level. Once you walk away from your car your clamped if you leave their site boundary.


  • #118
    vandriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭vandriver


    If FreeNow and the DAA found a space for taxi drivers to wait that didn't cost 7.50 an hour,the problem would go away overnight.
    (Technically,the virtual rank area would have to mirror the allotted parking)


  • #119
    Titanucd
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Titanucd


    Just a quick heads up for anyone heading to Dublin Airport and planning to use the McDonald’s or the Circle K on the way out of the airport.

    If you’re going to McDonald’s go to their car park! If you’re going to circle K DO NOT PARK IN MCDONALDS!

    Dropped the daughter to the airport this morning. Decided to get a coffee and a muffin before heading home. Looked like McDonald’s was drive through only and I was bursting for a wee! So I parked in McDonald’s and walked across to circle K. Felt the sweet relief of urinating after holding it for ages and toddled back to my car to drive around and get my coffee.

    I parked at 04:21. I returned at 04:26 to find a clamper walking away from my car! He said I was clamped because I left the premises!

    €125. That’s right €125 for a piss!

    Paid it with my card and immediately filled out the appeal online but I won’t hold my breath!

    Worst thing is the guy had been sitting in his van parked behind me and could easily have just told me not to park there if I wasn’t going into McDonald’s but decided to be a dick and let me walk off.

    Either way I doubt I’ll get anywhere with the appeal because no doubt the clamper will have been “technically” correct.

    TLDR: read the damn post! I’m trying to make sure nobody else gets stung!


  • #120
    The Bishop Basher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    This has come up on here before.

    It’s beyond sneaky and greedy but this is Ireland so they can do it with impunity.


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  • #121
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Many waiting there are for pickups. Looks like a new motorway service style place opening across the road from the skoda dealers on the old airport road. It may have some waiting/parking spaces.


  • #122
    Titanucd
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Titanucd


    spurious wrote: »
    Many waiting there are for pickups. Looks like a new motorway service style place opening across the road from the skoda dealers on the old airport road. It may have some waiting/parking spaces.

    Yeah that’s why they have a clamper van there. The guy told me that people were parking there and then going to collect/drop off people! Got to the stage where there was no parking for customers. I can see where they’re coming from but think clamping someone for needing to use the toilet is a bit harsh


  • #123
    Decoda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Decoda


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=110445527

    Thread here about the same issue. Seems like theres very little recourse for appeal.


  • #124
    ct5amr2ig1nfhp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Has anyone a recent picture of the sign warning of clamping in operation? I am pretty sure it does not state McDonalds customers on the sign. It only states "customers". You cannot know is it's McDonalds or Circle K customers. :) Just appeal on the grounds the sign does not state McDonalds, so you cannot know to which car park or company it applies.

    Edit: Unless they've changed the signs recently^^


  • #125
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    There's no way that the 'walk away' bit is legal


  • #126
    ct5amr2ig1nfhp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Passing today and took a picture. No mention of McDonalds or Circle K. "Customers" could relate to either company.

    Appeal on that grounds.


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  • #127
    Isambard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    Matteo Cuddly Racer wrote: »
    Passing today and took a picture. No mention of McDonalds or Circle K. "Customers" could relate to either company.

    Appeal on that grounds.

    it seems to me they need to define what the site is as it isn't necessarily obvious that there are two sites there.


  • #128
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Titanucd wrote: »
    Just a quick heads up for anyone heading to Dublin Airport and planning to use the McDonald’s or the Circle K on the way out of the airport.

    If you’re going to McDonald’s go to their car park! If you’re going to circle K DO NOT PARK IN MCDONALDS!

    Dropped the daughter to the airport this morning. Decided to get a coffee and a muffin before heading home. Looked like McDonald’s was drive through only and I was bursting for a wee! So I parked in McDonald’s and walked across to circle K. Felt the sweet relief of urinating after holding it for ages and toddled back to my car to drive around and get my coffee.

    I parked at 04:21. I returned at 04:26 to find a clamper walking away from my car! He said I was clamped because I left the premises!

    €125. That’s right €125 for a piss!

    Paid it with my card and immediately filled out the appeal online but I won’t hold my breath!

    Worst thing is the guy had been sitting in his van parked behind me and could easily have just told me not to park there if I wasn’t going into McDonald’s but decided to be a dick and let me walk off.

    Either way I doubt I’ll get anywhere with the appeal because no doubt the clamper will have been “technically” correct.

    TLDR: read the damn post! I’m trying to make sure nobody else gets stung!

    If the times are correct then appeal under using the NTA's guidelines.

    Legal Bit SI 421 of 2017
    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Vehicle_Clamping__Signage_Regulations_2017.pdf Part 2 Section 5 Subsection a and A


  • #129
    Titanucd
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Titanucd


    Matteo Cuddly Racer wrote: »
    Passing today and took a picture. No mention of McDonalds or Circle K. "Customers" could relate to either company.

    Appeal on that grounds.

    Thanks for that. When they turn down the first appeal I will appeal to the NTA and use this as exhibit A! Cheers


  • #130
    d9oiu2wk07blr5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 364 ✭✭d9oiu2wk07blr5


    Matteo Cuddly Racer wrote: »
    Passing today and took a picture. No mention of McDonalds or Circle K. "Customers" could relate to either company.

    Appeal on that grounds.


    Same outfit who is doing the shakedown in Hollywell, in Swords too.


  • #131
    meathstevie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1961/act/24/section/113/enacted/en/html

    And more open for debate but you could argue that immobilising is a form of taking possession.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1961/act/24/section/112/enacted/en/html

    A publically accessible car park may be private property but it's definitely a public place.


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  • #132
    RobbieMD
    Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭RobbieMD


    meathstevie wrote: »
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1961/act/24/section/113/enacted/en/html

    And more open for debate but you could argue that immobilising is a form of taking possession.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1961/act/24/section/112/enacted/en/html

    A publically accessible car park may be private property but it's definitely a public place.

    But they would have lawful authority and reasonable cause to clamp/relocate a car. They are PSA and NTA regulated. You can’t make a criminal case of a civil matter.


  • #133
    peteb2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭peteb2


    Mack Straight Neurology wrote:
    Same outfit who is doing the shakedown in Hollywell, in Swords too.

    What shake down in holywell?? You mean the park and ride people who take up spots in little Harvard??


  • #134
    d9oiu2wk07blr5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 364 ✭✭d9oiu2wk07blr5


    peteb2 wrote: »
    What shake down in holywell?? You mean the park and ride people who take up spots in little Harvard??


    Less park & ride & more vulture related.


  • #135
    peteb2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭peteb2


    Mack Straight Neurology wrote:
    Less park & ride & more vulture related.

    Former resident. Problem was the offices setting up and enforcing their spots. Forced people into little Harvard spots and we couldn't pick up kids so RFC and permits brought in! Perfectly sensible.


  • #136
    d9oiu2wk07blr5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 364 ✭✭d9oiu2wk07blr5


    peteb2 wrote: »
    Former resident. Problem was the offices setting up and enforcing their spots. Forced people into little Harvard spots and we couldn't pick up kids so RFC and permits brought in! Perfectly sensible.


    Offices own buildings & are in hock to vulture.


  • #137
    peteb2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭peteb2


    Mack Straight Neurology wrote:
    Offices own buildings & are in hock to vulture.


    We're dragging this off thread.....but offices aren't owned by Albany homes or any David Daly related firms. They are owned by a doctor.


  • #138
    ants09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭ants09


    peteb2 wrote: »
    We're dragging this off thread.....but offices aren't owned by Albany homes or any David Daly related firms. They are owned by a doctor.




    Actually the offices are owned by a company which is a subsidiary of another company. there is a charge by a vulture fund agains't the company that was registered on the 30th November 2018.


    The charge is against 4 properties, one in Hollywell, one in Rolestown and two in Malahide.


    whattow never mention Albany Homes or any David Daly related firms, and i can confirm they ain't owned by a Dr either.


  • #139
    Homer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,329 ✭✭✭Homer


    ants09 wrote: »
    Actually the offices are owned by a company which is a subsidiary of another company. there is a charge by a vulture fund agains't the company that was registered on the 30th November 2018.


    The charge is against 4 properties, one in Hollywell, one in Rolestown and two in Malahide.


    whattow never mention Albany Homes or any David Daly related firms, and i can confirm they ain't owned by a Dr either.

    Now we are reaaaaally dragging things off topic :D Jesus wept


  • #140
    ants09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭ants09


    Homer wrote: »
    Now we are reaaaaally dragging things off topic :D Jesus wept


    If you think so then report the post.


    I was just reply to the poster above me


  • #141
    Chanel Thundering Tour
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Chanel Thundering Tour


    Wording is purposefully vague to maximise profit.

    Similar happened to a wan I know. She parked in a Subway (I think) went in, got her food, put it in the car and went to garage next door.

    Came back and two Subway employees were blocking the clamper trying to clamp her.


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  • #142
    California Dreamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    ants09 wrote: »
    If you think so then report the post.


    I was just reply to the poster above me

    DONE!


  • #143
    California Dreamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    Back on topic. This thread has nearly run its course by the looks of it

    Well I was hoping that McDonalds or DAA would have made some sort of comment but it probably didnt get any traction outside of this page.


  • #144
    Titanucd
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Titanucd


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    Back on topic. This thread has nearly run its course by the looks of it

    Oh Don't close it until I let everyone know how my appeal went please!:)

    I'm fully expecting it to be overturned!**

    ** Lies :(


  • #145
    GBX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭GBX


    California Dreamer wrote: »
    Well I was hoping that McDonalds or DAA would have made some sort of comment but it probably didnt get any traction outside of this page.

    Ive never seen a representative from either post on boards. Wishful thinking on your part.


  • #146
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Titanucd wrote: »
    Oh Don't close it until I let everyone know how my appeal went please!:)

    I'm fully expecting it to be overturned!**

    ** Lies :(

    Told you earlier, if they don't overturn it themselves then the NTA should overturn it, purely based on the grounds of the elapsed time not being 10 minutes.


  • #147
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    the hedgeman wrote: »
    Why didn't you then go into McDonalds and say your car clamped and you being a customer buying burgers in their premises


    That is exactly what I would have done.

    Also, isn't it illegal to clamp a car without giving ten minutes grace?


  • #148
    California Dreamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    GBX wrote: »
    Ive never seen a representative from either post on boards. Wishful thinking on your part.

    I didnt mean here. I meant on facebook or something like that.


  • #149
    d9oiu2wk07blr5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 364 ✭✭d9oiu2wk07blr5


    At least they didn't park a broken up banger with a clamp on up in the parking spaces :eek:.


  • #150
    Titanucd
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Titanucd


    So the latest on this:

    I hadn’t received any acknowledgment that my appeal had been received when I filled in their online appeal form so last Friday I rang them and they assured me that it would have been received but they didn’t email acknowledgment ever!

    I rang again this morning and the guy I spoke to said:

    You did it online? Ohh you would have been better off emailing it!

    So I emailed the appeals address asking them to confirm they had received it and got an auto reply saying thanks for your appeal!

    I’m going to have to start again amnt I?

    Think it might be time to talk to Joe! :)


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  • #151
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Read Section 20 of the Vehicle Clamping Act 2015.

    If you don't get a response within 21 days of your original submission of appeal just escalate to the NTA and mention to the NTA that the clamper failed to comply with Section 20 of the Act, which is an offence it can be fined for.


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