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Imagine giving birth to this monster..

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  • 01-03-2017 11:38am
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    red ears
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    Imagine you give birth to this monster. Is there any way back for a relationship like that. If my child kicked me in the head repeatedly they would be disowned. Could you forgive this behavior?

    http://www.thejournal.ie/teenager-kicked-mother-in-head-3263927-Mar2017/

    'In evidence given earlier, Garda Keith Brannigan said that during the attack in September there was an altercation between the youth and his mother after she refused to give him money. “He ran over and spat in her hair and kicked her in her ear,” he said.
    The court heard the woman crouched and he then kicked her in the face and legs and four times in the head. He then ran after her but stopped and left when a taxi arrived to pick him up, the court heard.

    On another date there was an incident after the boy requested new clothes. The teen shouted in his mother’s face and spat in her hair and, as she tried to get up, he kicked her lower back.
    The last incident happened in October when the teenager demanded money for new clothes, but she told him she did not have any and he would have to wait until the following day.
    The youth knocked her onto the ground and kicked her in the head. “She tried to get him off her and scratched him to get him off her,” the court was told. The teenager then left leaving her in fear, the garda said.    '


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    Wanderer78
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    I'm aware of a similar situation in my town, happened a long time ago though, is it truly possible to walk away from your own child? This poor man sounds very troubled, requiring serious professional help as does his family. You'd have to wonder is he rehabilitateable.


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    VinLieger
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    Wow that's a selective interpretation of an incredibly complex issue, it might help if you actually read the full article instead of 2 paragraphs.


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    JackTaylorFan
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    Wow that's a selective interpretation of an incredibly complex issue, it might help if you actually read the full article instead of 2 paragraphs.

    Wow!! Just no.

    Trying to use mental health issues as a mitigating factor for being junky scum is an insult to anybody seriously dealing with stress and anxiety.

    I could have sympathy if he was genuinely schizophrenic or similar, but this is lawyering bull**** territory.


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    me_irl
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    I think there's a lot more to this story than just victimising the mother. We don't know what she did (or didn't do regarding steering him away from trouble) to him in his formative years to cause this outburst of aggression.

    Both are the victims and both need help.


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    red ears
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    Wow that's a selective interpretation of an incredibly complex issue, it might help if you actually read the full article instead of 2 paragraphs.

    I read the article and i'm not buying the mental health angle as easily as you might. There are plenty of people with mental health issues and they don't have cocaine kits, don't demand money from their mother and then kick her head in when they don't get it. If we take the bleeding hearted line you take then anything can be justified by claiming someone has mental health issues.


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    Your Face
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    I didn't read anything but I think we can all agree that both mother and son should be executed immediately.


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    JackTaylorFan
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    me_irl wrote: »
    I think there's a lot more to this story than just victimising the mother. We don't know what she did (or didn't do regarding steering him away from trouble) to him in his formative years to cause this outburst of aggression.

    Both are the victims and both need help.


    I agree to a point - but kicking another human in the face on several occasions (let alone it being your own mother) is beyond the pale. To do that to anyone would suggest there is something missing - drugs or no drugs.


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    Arcade_Tryer
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    We all fight with family from time to time.

    I'm sure they'll look back on this and laugh about it some day.


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    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
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    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    Wow!! Just no.

    Trying to use mental health issues as a mitigating factor for being junky scum is an insult to anybody seriously dealing with stress and anxiety.

    I could have sympathy if he was genuinely schizophrenic or similar, but this is lawyering bull**** territory.

    And it's excuses like the one mentioned that lead to the most pathetic sentences being handed down for truly awful offences. IMO there are some things that just can't be excused, no matter what the reason. This isn't the worst of them, but the reason given is simply not good enough for the crime committed and should be disregarded almost in its entirety.


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    biko
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    Your Face wrote: »
    I didn't read anything but I think we can all agree that both mother and son should be executed immediately.
    I don't agree - it is "society's fault".
    This way it's all our fault, and capitalism's fault, and the judicial system's fault.

    Someone (else) should do something!


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    [Deleted User]
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    Another reflection of the lack of ****s given by certain organs of the state.
    I can think of a similar case, lad in his early teens, getting in trouble, smashing stuff up etc. His mother has pleaded with the Gardai and others (social workers appointed after he smashed up other peoples' stuff) to take him away, they're having none of it. Instead he gets no help, just sent back to destroy her life and his siblings.


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    infogiver
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    "If you don't give me what I want, when I want it, im going to beat you up because your infringing on my rights. I don't care whether your my mother, a SW employee or a social worker, a Garda or a nurse. Those are the rules."


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    infogiver
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Another reflection of the lack of ****s given by certain organs of the state.
    I can think of a similar case, lad in his early teens, getting in trouble, smashing stuff up etc. His mother has pleaded with the Gardai and others (social workers appointed after he smashed up other peoples' stuff) to take him away, they're having none of it. Instead he gets no help, just sent back to destroy her life and his siblings.

    You'll find, on closer inspection, that his mother and indeed his extended family don't want to follow through on pressing charges on him, they want the social workers and the AGS to operate independent of the family because, you know, its not the done thing to have your own child put away.


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    infogiver wrote: »
    You'll find, on closer inspection, that his mother and indeed his extended family don't want to follow through on pressing charges on him, they want the social workers and the AGS to operate independent of the family because, you know, its not the done thing to have your own child put away.
    No, they do. She's very clear on it. She's told plenty of people so there's no "shame" there.


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    SEPT 23 1989
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    Where is the father?


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    Your Face
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    biko wrote: »
    I don't agree - it is "society's fault".
    This way it's all our fault, and capitalism's fault, and the judicial system's fault.

    Someone (else) should do something!

    Excellent, glad that's sorted.
    Time for tea now.
    Good show everyone.


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    me_irl
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    Your Face wrote: »
    Excellent, glad that's sorted.
    Time for tea now.
    Good show everyone.

    Well... :pac:


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    Summer wind
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    He needs a good kick in the hole.


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    me_irl
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    Summer wind wrote: »
    He needs a good kick in the hole.

    'cos "an eye for an eye" works, right?


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    flutered
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    me_irl wrote: »
    'cos "an eye for an eye" works, right?
    ni cause he deserves it, as in badly


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    #22
    me_irl
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    flutered wrote: »
    ni cause he deserves it, as in badly

    Thus perpetuating a cycle.


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    Dravokivich
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Where is the father?

    Could be dead for all we know, what difference does it make? Even if he is envolved with the mother, both as separated parents, it doesn't excuse what the kid is doing.


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    Arcade_Tryer
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Where is the father?
    Working for a US multinational in a senior management position.


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    freshpopcorn
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    Don't know the case at all but out of the people I know that would be similar to this guy the majority of them got it from their parents!


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    Mrs OBumble
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    She didn't give birth to a monster.

    She gave birth to an innocent child(*), who she then proceeded to turn into a monster thru f*ced up parenting. She's getting what raised, nothing more and nothing less.


    (*) There's a possibility that the child may have been drug-addicted before being born - but again, that's her fault.


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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    She didn't give birth to a monster.

    She gave birth to an innocent child(*), who she then proceeded to turn into a monster thru f*ced up parenting. She's getting what raised, nothing more and nothing less.


    (*) There's a possibility that the child may have been drug-addicted before being born - but again, that's her fault.
    Do you know them?


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    andekwarhola
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    Kid sounds completely fcuked up and needs to be in care.

    I'd hazard a guess that the corrective kickings being blithely prescribed here won't really work.


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    #29
    freshpopcorn
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    For all we know the lad could often have got the crap beat out of him by his mother!


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    #30
    Your Face
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    me_irl wrote: »
    Well... :pac:

    Don't be so hard on yourself.


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    sonic85
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    She didn't give birth to a monster.

    She gave birth to an innocent child(*), who she then proceeded to turn into a monster thru f*ced up parenting. She's getting what raised, nothing more and nothing less.


    (*) There's a possibility that the child may have been drug-addicted before being born - but again, that's her fault.

    And how the hell do you know what this woman did or didn't do? As someone posted above do you know them? I know plenty of scumbags from my locality who came from good hard working homes.


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