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Could Europe and the USA ever become Enemies?

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  • 20-09-2015 3:36pm
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    blackcard
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    Down through the ages, the super powers of the day have often been enemies. Could you imagine a situation where Europe and the USA become Enemies? I don't know what would be the spark to make this happen, perhaps an argument over economic policies or resources. Would the USA be more powerful than Europe?


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    kneemos
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    Too similar.It would be akin to a civil war.


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    Birneybau
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    White on white war? Nah


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    the evasion_kid
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    Europoe is usa's bitch


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    Agricola
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    In a dystopian future where the Earth's natural resources are dwindling, I could certainly see the US and EU going to head to head over the last drop of oil.


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    kneemos
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    I can see our future descendants learning about the Unobtainium wars of 2029.


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    blackcard
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    kneemos wrote: »
    Too similar.It would be akin to a civil war.

    I think a lot of Americans would consider Europeans to be socialists and too liberal


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    Links234
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    Depends, if it's Trump with his finger on the button, then probably...


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    garrixfan
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    When the muslims take over in 2050, maybe?


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    Datallus
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    It's about 5000km from Galway to New-York, so we'd need a boat to fight them.


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    blackcard
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    Datallus wrote: »
    It's about 5000km from Galway to New-York, so we'd need a boat to fight them.

    It is even further from New York to Moscow but that didn't prevent a Cold War


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    Datallus wrote: »
    It's about 5000km from Galway to New-York, so we'd need a boat to fight them.

    What's the closest point? I'm gessing Ronaldo's homeplace, Madeira


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    kneemos
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    garrixfan wrote: »
    What's the closest point? I'm gessing Ronaldo's homeplace, Madeira

    West Scotland I'd say.


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    justchecked
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    the evasion_kid wrote: »
    Europoe is usa's bitch

    shouldn't you be commenting on a youtube military video.


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    the evasion_kid
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    justchecked wrote: »
    shouldn't you be commenting on a youtube military video.

    No


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    Datallus
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    blackcard wrote: »
    It is even further from New York to Moscow but that didn't prevent a Cold War

    Yeah but Alaska is only about 50 miles from Russian territory so it made it easier.

    They probably used small boats for the cold war. It is pretty nippy up around there.


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    kneemos wrote: »
    West Scotland I'd say.

    Achill Head in Mayo is the nearest point in Europe to America


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    liam24
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    Europeans are already fed up of the US's interference in the middle east, and the refugee crisis is a very tangible knock-on effect of that. When Israel finally goes for all-out genocide in Palestine, I could see the US supporting it and European countries being against it. Because of security concerns and energy concerns, this could all lead to European countries like France and Germany aligning themselves with Russia.


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    Skylinehead
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    kneemos wrote: »
    Too similar.It would be akin to a civil war.

    You know we had a Western Europe vs Western Europe war about 70 years ago? They were "too similar" as well.


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    garrixfan
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    blackcard wrote: »
    Achill Head in Mayo is the nearest point in Europe to America

    That's hella cool


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    Not a chance.

    If anything a trans-Atlantic, free-trade pact, or some sort of common single market would not only be a viable option, but possibly an necessity. Single currency (euro-dollar) might even be an idea, even free movement of peoples (as both areas share common goals and outlook).

    A combined 800m (circa) market population would be required to compete with two separate (near equal) markets of well over 1bn (each) by 2050 and onwards, and that's excluding any other new pacts emerging also e.g. latino-asia-russ.


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    kneemos
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    blackcard wrote: »
    Achill Head in Mayo is the nearest point in Europe to America


    In a straight line,but they fly in an arc so the more northerly you are the shorter the distance due to the earths curve.


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    Badly Drunk Boy
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    garrixfan wrote: »
    What's the closest point? I'm gessing Ronaldo's homeplace, Madeira
    Between New York and Madeira, it's 3149 miles.
    Between New York and Galway, it's 3064 miles.
    Between New York and Reykjavik, it's 2613 miles.


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    KomradeBishop
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    No, but the USA can certainly create enemies for Europe and keep us weak, by playing us off against Russia and the Middle East - which European politicians are thick/stupid enough to co-operate with.


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    folamh
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    Aren't Europe and the US considered politically and ideologically oppositional? The US is a beacon of free market capitalism and Christian fundamentalism, while Europeans (in particular the Scandinavian countries) are socialistic heathens.

    Never mind that Scandinavia's success relative to the rest of Europe in the past <10 years is down to embracing free trade and cutting taxes. Never mind that the origins of free market capitalism are in France. And never mind that some of the most dangerous Christian fundamentalists are in Ireland.


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    Ten of Swords
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    I would think the closest point is probably Saint Pierre and Miquelon

    The islands are part of the EU

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    Datallus
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    kneemos wrote: »
    In a straight line,but they fly in an arc so the more northerly you are the shorter the distance due to the earths curve.

    Obviously, because of gravity, but won't someone just go in a boat? Then you still have to travel in an arc, unless you're using a submarine, which might complicate things.


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    KomradeBishop
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    folamh wrote: »
    Aren't Europe and the US considered politically and ideologically oppositional? The US is a beacon of free market capitalism and Christian fundamentalism, while Europeans (in particular the Scandinavian countries) are socialistic heathens.

    Never mind that Scandinavia's success relative to the rest of Europe in the past <10 years is down to embracing free trade and cutting taxes. Never mind that the origins of free market capitalism are in France. And never mind that some of the most dangerous Christian fundamentalists are in Ireland.
    No. The US is heavily NeoLiberal politically/economically, and Europe is just 'NeoLiberal Lite' - with the EU/Euro being used to enforce this political/economic policy.


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    folamh
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    blackcard wrote: »
    Achill Head in Mayo is the nearest point in Europe to America
    I've always thought that, despite Britain being a global superpower, Ireland is in a sense more "connected" to American culture than Britain is or has been - or at least, Ireland is more ready to welcome American influence. We're closer to America geographically and we have no patriotic allegiance to British culture.


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    kneemos
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    Datallus wrote: »
    Obviously, because of gravity, but won't someone just go in a boat? Then you still have to travel in an arc, unless you're using a submarine, which might complicate things.


    Didn't mean an up down arc.They fly in a northerly arc.


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    folamh
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    KomradeBishop wrote: »
    No. The US is heavily NeoLiberal politically/economically, and Europe is just 'NeoLiberal Lite' - with the EU/Euro being used to enforce this political/economic policy.
    The US and Europe are more like frenimies.


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