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Could Europe and the USA ever become Enemies?

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    #32
    Alexis Sanchez
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    blackcard wrote: »
    Achill Head in Mayo is the nearest point in Europe to America

    No, the Azores Islands are the closest part of Europe to America. They're apart of Portugal and they're located on the European side of the Eurasian tectonic plate.


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    #33
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Alexis Sanchez wrote: »
    No, the Azores Islands are the closest part of Europe to America. They're apart of Portugal and they're locate on the European side of the Eurasian tectonic plate.

    Wouldn't it be the US embassy in Dublin which is considered "American soil" :D


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    #34
    cerastes
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    Skylinehead wrote: »
    You know we had a Western Europe vs Western Europe war about 70 years ago? They were "too similar" as well.

    And a great war before that, and 1 before that in 1870, and before that one in Eastern Europe, there was a biggie around 1815, and before that in europe for 7 years or so, every 20-50 years or so, we seem to be overdue, I'm not looking forward to it.
    Datallus wrote: »
    Obviously, because of gravity, but won't someone just go in a boat? Then you still have to travel in an arc, unless you're using a submarine, which might complicate things.

    Gravity? yes because its all downhill when you get nearer the equator? and then its uphill all the way to SA, Australia and the rest of the colonies :)


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    #35
    DanielODonnell
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    Americans are cringy anglophiles, I like to bury my head in the sand and pretend USA doesn't exist.


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    #36
    A Primal Nut
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    Birneybau wrote: »
    White on white war? Nah

    World War 1?
    World War II?
    Cold War?


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    #37
    Datallus
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    DanielODonnell wrote: »
    Americans are cringy anglophiles, I like to bury my head in the sand and pretend USA doesn't exist.

    They sure make good donuts, so I think we should keep onto them, just for that.


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    #38
    Son Of A Vidic
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    blackcard wrote: »
    Could Europe and the USA ever become Enemies?

    No chance. A puppet master doesn't fight with their puppets.


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    #39
    cml387
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    Not necessarily a war between US and Europe. But a war involving China and the US with Europe staying well out of it would be a possibility.

    If you read "Resurrection Day" by Brendan Du Bois, he has a scenario where the Cuban missile crisis turned into a nuclear war between the US and USSR where Europe was not involved.


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    #40
    The Backwards Man
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    Alexis Sanchez wrote: »
    No, the Azores Islands are the closest part of Europe to America. They're apart of Portugal and they're located on the European side of the Eurasian tectonic plate.
    Iceland has its fingers in both pies plates. :)


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    #41
    asherbassad
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    KomradeBishop wrote: »
    No, but the USA can certainly create enemies for Europe and keep us weak, by playing us off against Russia and the Middle East - which European politicians are thick/stupid enough to co-operate with.

    The European monarchies and banking houses control all finance and power within an American global framework. To think that the American empire both financial and militarily backed up is separate from the European centres of international monetary control is naive.


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    #42
    The Backwards Man
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    asherbassad wrote: »
    The European monarchies and banking houses control all finance and power within an American global framework. To think that the American empire both financial and militarily backed up is separate from the European centres of international monetary control is naive.
    Don't forget the lizard people, they're in on it too.


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    #43
    asherbassad
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    Birneybau wrote: »
    White on white war? Nah

    Like skin colour is ever a factor in war.
    When has a war EVER been waged where control of money and resources hasn't been the crux of the argument.


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    #44
    asherbassad
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Don't forget the lizard people, they're in on it too.

    Ah, the usual response.


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    #45
    josephryan1989
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    blackcard wrote: »
    Down through the ages, the super powers of the day have often been enemies. Could you imagine a situation where Europe and the USA become Enemies? I don't know what would be the spark to make this happen, perhaps an argument over economic policies or resources. Would the USA be more powerful than Europe?

    Eh...the US has already been at war with Spain, France, the UK, Germany, Italy and Russia during its history.


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    #46
    Eugene Norman
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    asherbassad wrote: »
    The European monarchies and banking houses control all finance and power within an American global framework. To think that the American empire both financial and militarily backed up is separate from the European centres of international monetary control is naive.

    The American empire is pretty much self financing.


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    #47
    Eugene Norman
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    America is already anti-European in many respects.

    1) it's right wing is hostile to "socialist" Europe.
    2) it's left wing spends most of its time on anti-Eurocentricism or something called "white privilege" an ideology that ignores American power and privilege
    3) neo cons who are pro Israel and happy to see the ME and Europe burn or be de stabilised.

    A Europe that wants to survive needs to be anti-American.


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    #48
    blackcard
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    josephryan1989 wrote: »
    Eh...the US has already been at war with Spain, France, the UK, Germany, Italy and Russia during its history.

    But they haven't been enemies of Europe as a whole


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    josephryan1989
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    blackcard wrote: »
    But they haven't been enemies of Europe as a whole

    De-colonization was a key part of American foreign policy post WW2. Arguably through military interventions, support for pro-American governments or pro-American rebel groups, the United States was in a war with the French, British, Dutch, Portuguese and Belgians at the same time as they all opposed the Russians and the Chinese.

    In Ireland although the IRA was left wing and pro-Soviet and took arms from Gaddaffi, at the same time the US government was hostile to British occupation troops in Northern Ireland and did little to stop Irish-Americans from sending money for the "cause." Republicans like Senator King and Democrats like Tip O'Neill and Ted Kennedy were leading lights guiding American foreign policy towards Northern Ireland. Tying British troops down fighting a domestic war kept them out of other commitments and meddling with American plans elsewhere in the world.

    There was an American hand in the Argentinian invasion of the Falklands in 1982. The Americans backed off and stood back while the British took them back and let a key ally in South America against Communism get humiliated. Many Anglophobic Americans hope the British would lose - they very nearly did - and Argentina would have allowed American oil companies to move in and exploit the archipelago's allegedly rich resources.

    The French, Russians and Chinese sought to lift the sanctions against Saddam before the 2003 invasion and restore their business as usual relationship that existed pre-1991. Post Obama's withdrawal of troops from Iraq, the Iranians and the Russians have established close ties with both the Iraqi and Syrian governments. The French built Saddam a nuclear reactor that was about to become operational in the early 1980s before it was destroyed by an Israeli airstrike. Relations between Mitterrand and Reagan were very low after that one.


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    #50
    iDave
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    It's the left wings wet dream anyway.


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    #51
    KomradeBishop
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    asherbassad wrote: »
    The European monarchies and banking houses control all finance and power within an American global framework. To think that the American empire both financial and militarily backed up is separate from the European centres of international monetary control is naive.
    Didn't say it was separate - what you've said there (regardless of whether I agree or not), is compatible with my original post there.


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    #52
    StonyIron
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    The USA is basically just a high tech version of pre-WWII Europe (especially Britain.) Europe changed towards more left of centre after WWII.

    Seems *highly* unlikely that Europe and the US would ever disagree that violently.


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    #53
    wakka12
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    No thats stupid. Two civilised societies with similar cultural values would lose a lot more than they'd gain from any war between them/ Both usa and europe are valuable partners to each other and don't see how anything could change that.


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    #54
    KingBrian2
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    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    America is already anti-European in many respects.

    1) it's right wing is hostile to "socialist" Europe.
    2) it's left wing spends most of its time on anti-Eurocentricism or something called "white privilege" an ideology that ignores American power and privilege
    3) neo cons who are pro Israel and happy to see the ME and Europe burn or be de stabilised.

    A Europe that wants to survive needs to be anti-American.

    Europe needs to be wiser as opposed to confrontational like America. Without Europe nothing would prevent America from doing anything they wanted. They literally believe they are entitled to control the world.


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    #55
    josephryan1989
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    pat_damon wrote: »
    americas financial power is controlled by jews who live in new york

    There's a small little man named Leon with thick black frames on his glasses with wispy white hair and a bald head who wears trousers with braces up to his chest, a string vest and diamond patterned socks with slippers who runs a little dusty pawnshop piled full of crap across from the NYSE who loans money to everybody.

    OY!


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    #56
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    garrixfan wrote: »
    What's the closest point? I'm gessing Ronaldo's homeplace, Madeira

    Fajã Grande on Ilha das Flores in the Azores.


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    #57
    Keplar240B
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    The USA has been an enemy of Europe since 1917.


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    #58
    KingBrian2
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    We could become enemies but not for the reasons put forward. If USA decided to build a wall between itself and Mexico a possibility of European intervention. The Spanish won't like to see language or ethical discrimination within the US.


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    #59
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    blackcard wrote: »
    Achill Head in Mayo is the nearest point in Europe to America

    Nien. The Azores are only about 1900km from Newfoundland and 3000km from NY, almost half the distance from Achill to Newfie and a lot less than achill to NY.

    As an aside you can get the the Azores via Stanstead for about €130 return with ryan air, only one flight in and out per week so it's a nice 7 day trip.


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    #60
    therabbittest
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    The USA could be enemies with anyone if they tried hard enough. Or not very hard at all.


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    #61
    saabsaab
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    Probably not likely but not unthinkable see extract from the daily mail, I know it refers to Britain but substititute EU?


    American military plan for an attack to wipe out a major part of the British Army are today revealed for the first time.
    In 1930, a mere nine years before the outbreak of World War Two, America drew up proposals specifically aimed at eliminating all British land forces in Canada and the North Atlantic, thus destroying Britain's trading ability and bringing the country to its knees.

    Previously unparalleled troop movements were launched as an overture to an invasion of Canada, which was to include massive bombing raids on key industrial targets and the use of chemical weapons, the latter signed off at the highest level by none other than the legendary General Douglas MacArthur.

    The plans, revealed in a Channel 5 documentary, were one of a number of military contingency plans drawn up against a number of potential enemies, including the Caribbean islands and China. There was even one to combat an internal uprising within the United States.
    In the end there was no question of President Franklin D. Roosevelt subscribing to what was known as War Plan Red. Instead the two countries became the firmest of allies during WW2, an occasionally strained alliance that continues to this day.
    Still, it is fascinating that there were enough people inside the American political and military establishment who thought that such a war was feasible.

    While outside of America, both Churchill and Hitler also thought it a possibility during the 30s - a time of deep economic and political uncertainty.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039453/How-America-planned-destroy-BRITAIN-1930-bombing-raids-chemical-weapons.html#ixzz3mK1vuJ8V
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