Digital ID's for everyone

4068ac1elhodqr · 27-03-2020 2:42pm

King Mob wrote: »

But that link doesn't refer to rfid anythings.

Was there many of the aul RFIDs about the place 2,000yrs ago ya' think?

Why are you being so silly?

Might they have used the word 'mark' when that was their closest available description at that time?

I know this will require you to think a little bit, but can wait until 2pm for it to sink in (fingers crossed), it what is known as 'thinking outside the confined box of a serial theory denier'.

King Mob wrote: »

Also, it doesn't mention anything of "denial of service".

Did you not read www.id2020.org yet?
If not now's your chance.

They refer to having a birth to death persistant DigitalID as being 'useful' for accessing many services from voting, healthcare, education and so on.

There is the strong possibility in years to come: no DigitalID, no vote/health/education access as it replaced paper ID.
You can't easily vote today without some strong form of paper/card ID. These are easy to misuse also (hence the need for replacements).

King Mob wrote: »

These microchips wouldn't be on the hand or the head.

Again you are using the wrong term on purpose, curious that.

RFIDs are placed in the right hands is the primary and ideal location, where else do you want them? Elbows?

4068ac1elhodqr · 27-03-2020 2:46pm

EyesClosed wrote: »

???

Better still, save the non-stop questions are offer us your (well bible-read, apparently), conception (in your own time) of what exactly is meant by Revelation 13:16

EyesClosed · 27-03-2020 2:50pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Better still, save the non-stop questions are offer us your (well bible-read, apparently), conception (in your own time) of what exactly is meant by Revelation 13:16

Well thats the beautiful thing about it....it could mean anything.
It could be getting Ash on your forehead as maybe Catholics are the wrong religion.

Also....you started this it is up to you to explain it.

My questions need answers, I am totally happy to believe you, but I need a good explanation.

King Mob · 27-03-2020 2:51pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Was there many of the aul RFIDs about the place 2,000yrs ago ya' think?
Why are you being so silly?

I was refering to the one you keep posting for some reason: www.id2020.org
It doesn't refer to anything RFID and it doesn't refer to anything being implanted anywhere.
It talks about biometrics. Which is weird cause you said they wouldn't work.
Why does your link say "biometrics?"
Why do you keep ignoring this question?

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Might they have used the word 'mark' when that was their closest available description at that time?

But RFID microchips don't leave marks. And the bible quote says "on" not "in".

Might they have also been wrong and/or talking about something else?

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

They refer to having a birth to death persistant DigitalID as being 'useful' for accessing many services from voting, healthcare, education and so on.

There is the strong possibility in years to come: no DigitalID, no vote/health/education access as it replaced paper ID.
You can't easily vote today without some strong form of paper/card ID. These are easy to misuse also (hence the need for replacements).

But your links don't talk about doing anything of the sort. You're making it up.

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Again you are using the wrong term on purpose, curious that.

Why, does it upset you?

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

RFIDs are placed in the right hands is the primary and ideal location, where else do you want them? Elbows?

But they can also be placed in the left hand.
The bible also says the forehead. Why does it claim that?

4068ac1elhodqr · 27-03-2020 2:56pm

EyesClosed wrote: »

Well thats the beautiful thing about it....it could mean anything. .

So you (implied yourself as a bible scholar of sorts),
have zero answer nor interpertation of it, cool beans!

Yet a casual chap such as me is able to offer you an interpretation.

Could be you've missed your vocation, e.g. politicans are also good at not answering questions or to say "it could mean anything" when they have no response.

EyesClosed · 27-03-2020 3:05pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

So you (implied yourself as a bible scholar of sorts),
have zero answer nor interpertation of it, cool beans!

Yet a casual chap such as me is able to offer you an interpretation.

Could be you've missed your vocation, e.g. politicans are also good at not answering questions or to say "it could mean anything" when they have no response.

I dont need to have an interpretation of it....as I did not bring it up.

I want to understand how you came to your understanding of it. Hence my questions. If you have a theroy it is perfectly alright for us to question it. You deflect instead of answering, which leads me to believe you have based your theroy on nothing.

4068ac1elhodqr · 27-03-2020 3:05pm

King Mob wrote: »

I was refering to the one you keep posting for some reason: www.id2020.org
It doesn't refer to anything RFID and it doesn't refer to anything being implanted anywhere.
It talks about biometrics.

It does talk about biometrics, but only in the sense that all current biometrics are flawed, as per all current paper, and all card photo ID (inc national level), all also flawed.

Hence the 'push' (as they call it) for 'unique (new, not seen before)' and persistant Digital ID.

If you can state exactly what is means by 'persistant birth-to-death' digital, (blockchain verified) Digital ID is
- then we can all get close to solving the great scooby doo mystery that is www.id2020.org

I.e. An ID(digital) established at time of birth, that remains 'persistant' (not removable or deniable as a unique secure identifier),
at any time during a persons lifecycle, that remains in place, right up until time of death.

Maybe it's a lucky charm they give you, like a sticker or a rabbits foot keyring, or a nice necklace.

What else could it be....
Answers on a postcard.

4068ac1elhodqr · 27-03-2020 3:08pm

EyesClosed wrote: »

I dont need to have an interpretation of it.....

Cool, you're clearly very special, above all mysteries and unknowns, all-knowing, all-seeing, un-questionable, unlike many of us mere mortals. Ah well.

King Mob · 27-03-2020 3:30pm

You've ignored a bunch of questions...

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

It does talk about biometrics, but only in the sense that all current biometrics are flawed...

Hence the 'push' (as they call it) for 'unique (new, not seen before)' and persistant Digital ID.

Well that's not true. They say repeatedly, and you quoted repeatedly that the technology they want would be biometric.

An implantable microchip/rfid/whatever wouldn't be "Biometric" as that is not what the word means.

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

If you can state exactly what is means by 'persistant birth-to-death' digital, (blockchain verified) Digital ID is

A system by which there is a large accessible database of very accurate biometric data that can be assigned to people from birth that would last until death. This would involve developing ways of recording biometric data accurately and developing a way to make sure they stay accurate for long periods of time.

One example I can think of off the top of my head, is that they use a combination of different biometric methods in tandem.
Another way is based on the article I posted eariler which showed that finger prints can remain a viable method of identification for over a decade. Perhaps rather than just taking one fingerprint(or iris picture etc) and using only that for a person's entire lifetime, they use a system that automatically updates the registered fingerprint each time the patient uses the system and the accumulated data is used.

Now, can you point to any technology that is implantable and also meets all of those same criteria?
Perhaps you can point to an implantable RFID chip that can last in a person's body for 80+ years and work flawlessly.

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

I.e. An ID(digital) established at time of birth, that remains 'persistant' (not removable or deniable as a unique secure identifier),
at any time during a persons lifecycle, that remains in place, right up until time of death.

Well for one, that's not what the mean by persistant, that's an interpretation you are applying to make the term try to fit the conspiracy you are dreaming up.
Secondly, the RfID/microchips don't meet that criteria as they can be removed, they can be hacked, blocked and altered. They can be tricked.
It's far more difficult to fake an iris or a fingerprint, which makes them far far more persistent.

Timberrrrrrrr · 27-03-2020 4:15pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Seems you're winning the 'echo chamber word diversion bingo' game (yet again) 20pts award today already, must be feck all to do over in cushy Cheshire during your lockdown...

Great game this, the following are all 10pts each:

(big) pharma, (the much loved) G.zoros, ufos, 5g lizard-aliens & Darth Vader (new entry), tom hanks (again, great in the airport movie, but that's it), J coor's mad beer brew, pharma, freemans, ginger gemma someone, gold pension bars, TDs, mr satan (new entry from Kingbob in euroland somewhere), fema camping... phew!

Alas I am considered a key worker in my field and therefore pulling 12/15 hour days to keep old blighty on her feet and moving forward.

4068ac1elhodqr · 27-03-2020 11:10pm

Struth even pop-culture/science magazines are running theories on the mystery that is Corona.

https://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2020/03/the-truth-of-coronavirus-might-be-worse-than-the-conspiracy-theories/
Must be at least a dozen for the resident denier lads to chew through overnight.

Billy Gates gets a mention (of course) having ran Event 201, where he ran a simulation of a pandemic just months ago.
He's a jolly nice fellow.

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 1:53pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

In August Sometime later this year...

Sometime later this year, things will return to 100% normal?
That sounds a bit vague.

What exactly you are saying is:
1) You don't know how this virus started.
2) You don't know when it will end.

3). Also, you don't have a clue (or any ideas to even suggest) if it will get better or worse in the meantime, and you can't account for any likely consequences.

Got it, but sorry to say, it seems you're somewhat useless, in all regards.

Why not take a nice walk in the fresh air instead? (take an alibi, ID, and a tracing App too, just in case :pac:).

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 3:10pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

their models are the predictors. data goes in, the predictions goes out.

Very similar, one model we can also use in regards to hand and forehead buying and selling of goods can be provided by the data of intentions of www.id2020.org: 'Birth-to-Death persistant Digital IDs'.

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2020 3:35pm

well the part about destruction of damascus is from Isaiah. and damascus has been destroyed many times before. https://www.thedailybeast.com/sorry-evangelicals-syria-will-not-spur-the-second-coming?ref=scroll

Dohnjoe · 01-04-2020 3:44pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well the part about destruction of damascus is from Isaiah. and damascus has been destroyed many times before. https://www.thedailybeast.com/sorry-evangelicals-syria-will-not-spur-the-second-coming?ref=scroll

Any idea where the part is about the RFID chips in Sweden, that I have to see

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2020 3:48pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Any idea where the part is about the RFID chips in Sweden, that I have to see

This is for real? you are suggesting another poster should read the whole bible in order to "find" the part that you are suggesting predicts .. what, RFID chips in Sweden?
Sorry*, couldn't resist

*not sorry

King Mob · 01-04-2020 3:49pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This is for real? you are suggesting another poster should read the whole bible in order to "find" the part that you are suggesting predicts .. what, RFID chips in Sweden?

But lizard people and vaccine conspiracies etc etc are all a distraction...

The real valid conspiracy to discuss is how RFID chips are the mark of the beast predicted in the bible.

(Also, pay no attention to when barcodes used to be the mark of the beast... this theory is definitely right.)

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2020 3:51pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Any idea where the part is about the RFID chips in Sweden, that I have to see

serious answer this time

Revelation 13:16

Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,

Revelation 13:16-18

Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

Dohnjoe · 01-04-2020 4:00pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

serious answer this time

Revelation 13:16

Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,

Revelation 13:16-18

Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

Dohnjoe · 01-04-2020 6:36pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

My play. Salvage something? Erm this isnt a wild west duel or shoot out pal simply people discussing opinions whats with all the Shakesperean over the top language?.

So

One must salvage some sembelance of pride whilst making his play that will define faith itself.

You need to chill.Gonna give yourself a hernia!.

Its simply differing opinions mine yours anyones dont matter not one jot. Just thoughts swirling around will share every now and then.

Its bonkers to me people invest so much in their opinion when it doesnt mean anything.

You've probably invested more time in this thread pointing out how much time other's spend posting

A little ironic, but moving on

This dystopian police state stuff you keep referring to

If it does come to Ireland, what form will it take, like will there still be elections or how will that work?

If this pandemic passes and life goes back to relative normality, will you be a little disappointed? I mean, you sound fairly geared up and certain it will happen

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 6:58pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You've probably invested more time in this thread pointing out how much time other's spend posting

A little ironic, but moving on

This dystopian police state stuff you keep referring to

If it does come to Ireland, what form will it take, like will there still be elections or how will that work?

If this pandemic passes and life goes back to relative normality, will you be a little disappointed? I mean, you sound fairly geared up and certain it will happen

Although this was directed to another boardsie, not only is your reply highly ironic, but is very comical.

Sure you've been at this game (from memory) for what been years now, from dawn to dusk (like the KingMob chap), while I've been away for a good few hours you've been banging away on the same drum.
Both have their fingers stuck in all and every CT, and little else.

All with the same tone. Would bet it's two of the same person, and likely sponsored (paid for) to dispell any talk, outside of the given standard.

Anyway....Back to the Virus...
you claim "and life goes back to relative normality" (no timeline or details provided).

Chances are it actually won't, in terms of habits, policy and even new laws. After 9/11 many of the new laws than came into effect (US) were never repelled, and still exist today.

There is also a concerted push towards the merger of technology and IDs (ideal for pandemic tracing, this one, or any 'potential' future one), in a now globalist society. By 2030 every single person on the planet, must also have a strong and digital method of unique ID, like it or not, that is the future.

Lonesomerhodes · 01-04-2020 7:03pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You've probably invested more time in this thread pointing out how much time other's spend posting

A little ironic, but moving on

This dystopian police state stuff you keep referring to

If it does come to Ireland, what form will it take, like will there still be elections or how will that work?

If this pandemic passes and life goes back to relative normality, will you be a little disappointed? I mean, you sound fairly geared up and certain it will happen

Dystopian state well

People needing permission to go abroad and to be vaccinated as Bill Gates has said.

(Gates is in with the big boys so likely to happen)

Gardai having rules and regulations to nose into everyones business harass you walking down the street and incarcerate people who may have viruses (as is happening now!)

Digital currency so people are literally working for digits on a screen and those accounts can be switched off at the drop if a hat.

The main thing will be lack choice in anything.

As is already happening. Facebook/google/twitter/youtube constantly remove anything that questions the spoon fed reality we are given so we ONLY get one perspective on anything.

Elections are punch and judy shows for the masses. May still continue but its a joke.

The big boys dont bother with it its beneath them. So are monarchies actually.

Famous pic of Evelyn Rothschild berating Prince Charles poking and prodding him like a subordinate slave.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-04-2020 7:23pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Although this was directed to another boardsie, not only is your reply highly ironic, but is very comical.

Sure you've been at this game (from memory) for what been years now, from dawn to dusk (like the KingMob chap), while I've been away for a good few hours you've been banging away on the same drum.
Both have their fingers stuck in all and every CT, and little else.

All with the same tone. Would bet it's two of the same person, and likely sponsored (paid for) to dispell any talk, outside of the given standard.

Anyway....Back to the Virus...
you claim "and life goes back to relative normality" (no timeline or details provided).

Chances are it actually won't, in terms of habits, policy and even new laws. After 9/11 many of the new laws than came into effect (US) were never repelled, and still exist today.

Ah not this tired old doozey

There is also a concerted push towards the merger of technology and IDs (ideal for pandemic tracing, this one, or any 'potential' future one), in a now globalist society. By 2030 every single person on the planet, must also have a strong and digital method of unique ID, like it or not, that is the future.

Evidence for this please?

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 7:47pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ah not this tired old doozey

But a reasonable assumption none the less.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Evidence for this please?

Article 6 of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights stipulates that "Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law." The Sustainable Development Goals (2015-2030) include target 16.9 which aims to "provide legal identity to all, including birth registration, by 2030."

Dohnjoe · 01-04-2020 7:49pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Dystopian state well

People needing permission to go abroad and to be vaccinated as Bill Gates has said.

(Gates is in with the big boys so likely to happen)

Gardai having rules and regulations to nose into everyones business harass you walking down the street and incarcerate people who may have viruses (as is happening now!)

Digital currency so people are literally working for digits on a screen and those accounts can be switched off at the drop if a hat.

The main thing will be lack choice in anything.

As is already happening. Facebook/google/twitter/youtube constantly remove anything that questions the spoon fed reality we are given so we ONLY get one perspective on anything.

Elections are punch and judy shows for the masses. May still continue but its a joke.

The big boys dont bother with it its beneath them. So are monarchies actually.

Famous pic of Evelyn Rothschild berating Prince Charles poking and prodding him like a subordinate slave.

Right, just so to sum this up, after all this pandemic passes

We will need permission to go abroad
Will need permission from the state to be vaccinated
Gardai will be allowed to harass who they want and have arbitrary powers to detain people
Elections will be fixed

Is that more or less your view?

If yes, then if none of these things happen, will you maybe question your world view (the fact that you could be wrong about all this) or will you double down on it?

Lonesomerhodes · 01-04-2020 8:07pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Right, just so to sum this up, after all this pandemic passes
We will need permission to go abroad

Will need permission from the state to be vaccinated

Gardai will be allowed to harass who they want and have arbitrary powers to detain people

Elections will be fixed

Is that more or less your view?

If yes, then if none of these things happen, will you maybe question your world view (the fact that you could be wrong about all this) or will you double down on it?

Pretty much yep.

If I wrong Im wrong so be it. My opinion isnt set in stone and cant cause tidal waves or that.

I said its thoughts and opinions from reading UN published books and reports.

I can change or be wrong who knows.

The importance you put into opinions and being right is truly extraodinary I dare say unhealthy.

Ultimately it doesnt matter whether Im right or wrong why would it?

To think an opinion on a online forum means anything well that person isnt all there you know.
A few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Dohnjoe · 01-04-2020 8:15pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Pretty much yep.

If I wrong Im wrong so be it. My opinion isnt set in stone and cant cause tidal waves or that.

I said its thoughts and opinions from reading UN published books and reports.

I can change or be wrong who knows.

The importance you put into opinions and being right is truly extraodinary I dare say unhealthy.

Ultimately it doesnt matter whether Im right or wrong why would it?

To think an opinion on a online forum means anything well that person isnt all there you know.
A few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Fair enough.

Covid19 · 01-04-2020 8:20pm

quickbeam wrote: »

Mod: End-of-days discussion for another thread if you want to start one. Stick to the subject at hand here please.

Thank you, Sir.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-04-2020 8:30pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

But a reasonable assumption none the less.

No, you have made a serious allegation there, care to back it up?

Article 6 of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights stipulates that "Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law." The Sustainable Development Goals (2015-2030) include target 16.9 which aims to "provide legal identity to all, including birth registration, by 2030."

Does not equate to your claim of

By 2030 every single person on the planet, must also have a strong and digital method of unique ID, like it or not

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 8:55pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No, you have made a serious allegation there, care to back it up?

A reasonable suspision, yes indeed. And how would I be able to prove such a matter. As said it's a fair assumption, and also one that I'm free to choose to hold or express.

You can either like that, or lump it.
Or would you prefer the thought police?

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Does not equate to your claim of

It's very, very close. Again without a time machine nothing planned for 2030 is 100% certain tp be realsied or proven is it now, it simply can't be (clue:it's a future event)

The claim of intention is for 2030 as said. That every birth on the planet must be registered as a 'legal entity/subject' (a digital storage record of each in 2030 would be most likely), if the goals, already set out are to be met. This is also complimentary to acheiving full vaccination reach across the developing world by then.

Coronavirus spurs this target on somewhat, sure even BillyGates has thrown in the Microsoft towel, to get on board with the Rockerfellas' and Gavi in harnessing innovative technologies, for the use of identification

Article 6 of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights (from UN 2015) stipulates that "Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law." The Sustainable Development Goals (2015-2030) include target 16.9 which aims to "provide legal identity to all, including birth registration, by 2030."

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2020 8:59pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

A reasonable suspision, yes indeed. And how would I be able to prove such a matter. As said it's a fair assumption, and also one that I'm free to choose to hold or express.

You can either like that, or lump it.
Or would you prefer the thought police?

It's very, very close. Again without a time machine nothing planned for 2030 is 100% certain tp be realsied or proven is it now, it simply can't be (clue:it's a future event)

The claim of intention is for 2030 as said. That every birth on the planet must be registered as a 'legal entity/subject' (a digital storage record of each in 2030 would be most likely), if the goals, already set out are to be met. This is also complimentary to acheiving full vaccination reach across the developing world by then.

Coronavirus spurs this target on somewhat, sure even BillyGates has thrown in the Microsoft towel, to get on board with the Rockerfellas' and Gavi in harnessing innovative technologies, for the use of identification

Article 6 of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights (from UN 2015) stipulates that "Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law." The Sustainable Development Goals (2015-2030) include target 16.9 which aims to "provide legal identity to all, including birth registration, by 2030."

going from "everyone has a right to" to "everyone must" is not a reasonable anything. It is a massive leap fueled by nothing but paranoia

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 9:05pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

going from "everyone has a right to" to "everyone must" is not a reasonable anything. It is a massive leap fueled by nothing but paranoia

Surely requiring everyone to log the matter of a birth isn't too far fetched is it?
Unless you're paranoid.

The use of technology and 'persistant birth-to-death portable digital ID' on the other hand, (using the above) as 'subject/legal entity' is a bit more 'grey'.

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2020 9:08pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Surely requiring everyone to log the matter of a birth isn't too far fetched is it?
Unless you're paranoid.

The use of technology and 'persistant birth-to-death portable digital ID' on the other hand, (using the above) as 'subject/legal entity' is a bit more 'grey'.

it is a requirement to register a birth in pretty much every country i am aware of. you are saying that this technology will become mandatory. that is entirely of your own invention.

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 9:12pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it is a requirement to register a birth in pretty much every country i am aware of. you are saying that this technology will become mandatory. that is entirely of your own invention.

"A unique convergence of trends provides an unprecedented opportunity to make a coordinated, concerted push to provide digital ID to everyone."

Not my words, but straight from: https://id2020.org/digital-identity (bottom of the page).

Sure, you can reject to take the 'push' to have digital (birth to death persistant digital ID), but could be very likely you'd void access to many services such as healthcare, education and even the right to vote as these are all fair intentions for it's use.

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2020 9:14pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

"A unique convergence of trends provides an unprecedented opportunity to make a coordinated, concerted push to provide digital ID to everyone."

Not my words, but straight from: https://id2020.org/digital-identity (bottom of the page).

Sure, you can reject to take the 'push' to have digital (birth to death persistant digital ID), but could be very likely you'd void access to many services such as healthcare, education and even the right to vote as these are all fair intentions for it's use.

provide not mandate.

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 9:16pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

provide not mandate.

Or, a 'concerted push', not an easily rejectable (although possilbe) position, without implications and future denial of services.

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2020 9:18pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Or, a 'concerted push', not an easily rejectable (although possilbe) position, without implications and future denial of services.

i dont see any mention of future denial of service. can you point where it says that on the site you love to link to?

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 9:24pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i dont see any mention of future denial of service. can you point where it says that on the site you love to link to?

Same page, under Necessary to Access Essential Services
https://id2020.org/digital-identity

Individuals are required to show identification to access healthcare and education, vote, and access other social assistance programs

This new digital, persitant, portable birth-to-death ID, will be the only acceptable form (national ID cards are rejected by id2020).
This includes vaccinations for COVID19 as it mutates in future years.

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2020 9:26pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Same page, under Necessary to Access Essential Services
https://id2020.org/digital-identity

This new digital, persitant, portable birth-to-death ID, will be the only acceptable form (national ID cards are rejected by id2020).
This includes vaccinations for COVID19 as it mutates in future years.

can you show me where exactly it says that?

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 9:31pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

can you show me where exactly it says that?

Under 'good digital ID' headline. Desktop version, may not show on mobile.

If persistant (tracking?) birth-to-death digital ID can be for the greater good.

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2020 9:32pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Under 'good digital ID' headline. Desktop version, may not show on mobile.

If persistant (tracking?) birth-to-death digital ID can be for the greater good.

id is required in this country NOW to access essential services. I am asking where it says that his new id will be the ONLY acceptable form of ID.

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 9:38pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

id is required in this country NOW to access essential services. I am asking where it says that his new id will be the ONLY acceptable form of ID.

This is targetted at the developing world ONLY (pre-2030 phase), places where they dip your finger in ink, to make sure you don't vote twice, places where all the kids have similar names, and don't have two stones to rub together. Where you can opt out of vaccinations by hiding up a tree.

This is also refrencing 'Digital ID', sure you can vote now using paper and/or simple photo cards in the west, this isn't digital, and is rejected as suitable in regards to any unique persistant birth-to-death form concepts of new digital ID, usually also backed by blockchain encryption and secondary biometric measurements.

EyesClosed · 01-04-2020 9:44pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

This is targetted at the developing world ONLY (pre-2030 phase), places where they dip your finger in ink, to make sure you don't vote twice, places where all the kids have similar names, and don't have two stones to rub together. Where you can opt out of vaccinations by hiding up a tree.

This is also refrencing 'Digital ID', sure you can vote now using paper and/or simple photo cards in the west, this isn't digital, and is rejected as suitable in regards to any unique persistant birth-to-death form concepts of new digital ID, usually also backed by blockchain encryption and secondary biometric measurements.

They don't opt out of vaccination because they would like to survive the diseases they are dying from.

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2020 9:45pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

This is targetted at the developing world ONLY (pre-2030 phase), places where they dip your finger in ink, to make sure you don't vote twice, places where all the kids have similar names, and don't have two stones to rub together. Where you can opt out of vaccinations by hiding up a tree.

This is also refrencing 'Digital ID', sure you can vote now using paper and/or simple photo cards in the west, this isn't digital, and is rejected as suitable in regards to any unique persistant birth-to-death form concepts of new digital ID, usually also backed by blockchain encryption and secondary biometric measurements.

this is just a copy and paste of previous posts. answer the question that was asked.

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 9:51pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

this is just a copy and paste of previous posts. answer the question that was asked.

Why would such a huge expensive programe to 'push' digital ID, accept some paper only based documents in the connected world of 2030, sounds a bit self-defeating don't you think.

Yes, can opt out, but this would likely be met with access retrictions.
Again this is a 'push' program, not a 'pleasem and ask nicely' program.

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2020 9:53pm

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Why would such a huge expensive programe to 'push' digital ID, accept some paper only based documents in the connected world of 2030, sounds a bit self-defeating don't you think.

Yes, can opt out, but this would likely be met with access retrictions.
Again this is a 'push' program, not a 'pleasem and ask nicely' program.

why would governments only accept id that they have no control over?

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2020 10:08pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why would governments only accept id that they have no control over?

? Eh, non comprendo.

Think you need a break, anyway have other things to do.

In the meantime feel free to have a google (below is 'page 1' of search), for id2020, showing the very many varied views on the global (push) model of this digital blockchain ID.

Sure has created some interest in regards to COVID19, and vaccinations in general (hence Billy Gates sudden rush from Miscrosoft).

There is no exact certainty as to what precisely will emerge from it (people here will ask for that, without time machines etc), but is one of the most interesting projects ever seen. Suspect it isn't the last we'll all hear about it.

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2020 10:11pm

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

? Eh, non comprendo.

Think you need a break, anyway have other things to do.

In the meantime feel free to have a google (below is 'page 1' of search), for id2020, showing the very many varied views on the global (push) model of this digital blockchain ID.

Sure has created some interest in regards to COVID19, and vaccinations in general (hence Billy Gates sudden rush from Miscrosoft).

There is no exact certainty as to what precisely will emerge from it (people here will ask for that, without time machines etc), but is one of the most interesting projects ever seen. Suspect it isn't the last we'll all hear about it.

quite simple. Essential services are provided by governments. People need id to access those services. why would a government ONLY accept a form of ID (the digital id you keep referring to) when they have no control over that form of ID. they dont supply it. they dont own the technology.

Ted_YNWA · 01-04-2020 10:28pm

Be civil, Accumulator.

Valid question.

Is there Government involvement is the setup & control of this Digital ID.

Fleetwoodmac · 01-04-2020 11:00pm

https://www.cnet.com/news/snowden-warns-government-surveillance-amid-covid-19-could-be-long-lasting/

This is an interesting read and apologies if already posted. If genuine, then the concept of digital surveillance becomes very real indeed. As an aside, several threads on fb advocating the wearing of masks as a hindrance to said surveillance.

Digital ID's for everyone

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