Madeleine McCann

retro:electro · 04-06-2020 11:46pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Oh why outfight accuse when you can underhandedly suggest, provoke and infer instead.

It’s much easier to get away with posting unfounded and ridiculous shlte that way.

limnam · 04-06-2020 11:52pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Oh why outfight accuse when you can underhandedly suggest, provoke and infer instead.

It’s much easier to get away with posting unfounded and ridiculous shlte that way.

You're right.

There is anger in the air

retro:electro · 04-06-2020 11:56pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Well done for admitting it

limnam · 04-06-2020 11:57pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Well done for admitting it

Anything for you chicken

feargale · 05-06-2020 3:10am

limnam wrote: »

Never accursed them of anything bar neglect.. *shrug*

My heart goes out to the McCanns. Horrible comments were made here and elsewhere against them. If they were less than extremely careful ( and I don't say they were) it wasn't a hanging offence, and did not call for the awful price paid, as some have come close to suggesting. Some posters have shown an utter lack of compassion, sensitivity, humanity and empathy. I wonder what the purpose of this thread was, other than to allow some frustrated detectives to indulge their sleuthing talents at the expense of respect for the feelings of the parents who have been through hell. I can only conclude that either some of those who have commented have no experience of the burden of responsibity of raising children or consider their egos more important than the McCann family's loss.
There was worse. If I found myself in that situation I would do anything to find my child, including giving a tabloid exclusive rights to my story if I thought it would help. What came of that? Rags that were miffed at being excluded excoriated the McCanns. Appalled, but not surprised.
Some people should examine their consciences.

feargale · 05-06-2020 3:15am

RhubarbCrumble wrote: »

I agree with everyone saying Madeline McCann's parents were somehow involved.
The bit that really irks me is to do with the other two children. They went out and left 3 tiny children on their own in a foreign country, but because they were both doctors and seen as 'upper class' nothing was ever done.
I'm sure if an unemployed couple from a council estate had done the same thing their other children would have been taken into care almost immediately.

That's right. Make that unfortunate couple a pawn in a bloody class war. :rolleyes:

05-06-2020 3:36am

The parents did it

jimwallace197 wrote: »

If this Pedophile in a German prison is found to be responsible for the disappearance of Madeline McCann, I hope all those people who falsely accused and in some cases, made life a living hell for the parents, hang there heads in shame.

For me, early indications about this suspect seem promising on shedding light on what really happened.

cnocbui wrote: »

A young girl in the UK was kidnapped from her bath while her mother was cooking supper in the Kitchen. Thousands, upon thousands of children have died, usually by drowning, while there parents were on the premises. Given how incredibly rare an incident like this is - there only ever being one, in many, many millions of holidays down the decades - I for one don't blame the parents at all. Engaging in holier than thou superiority, courtesy of hindsight, is cheap and easy.

Not leaving young children alone be it day or night is responsible parenting.

Leaving young children alone in a holiday apartment while you go out and consume alcohol in a group is downright bad parenting.

Did they deserve the worst case scenario? Of course not. No parent does but Jesus, to suggest they don't carry some responsibility is ridiculous.

At least one adult should have been present, simple as. No ifs or buts.

SusieBlue · 05-06-2020 3:52am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Not leaving young children alone be it day or night is responsible parenting.

Leaving young children alone in a holiday apartment while you go out and consume alcohol in a group is downright bad parenting.

Did they deserve the worst case scenario? Of course not. No parent does but Jesus, to suggest they don't carry some responsibility is ridiculous.

At least one adult should have been present, simple as. No ifs or buts.

Yeah we all know it was irresponsible to leave the kids alone, I don’t see why this needs to be repeated every few posts as if it’s some brands new fresh conclusion that hasn’t been mentioned constantly in every single conversation on every single platform about this case since the very minute it happened.

I’m sure Kate & Gerry know they made a horrific error of judgment and they’ll pay for that mistake for the rest of their living days, it is possible to discuss the case without saying ‘but they shouldn’t have left the kids alone’ every two seconds. We know they shouldn’t have left them alone.

TheW1zard · 05-06-2020 7:39am

Accident happened, parents hid body

retro:electro wrote: »

But the McCanns are open season.

Okay.... :pac:

Plenty of evidence they did it, absolutely none for the German.

limnam · 05-06-2020 8:18am

feargale wrote: »

Some posters have shown an utter lack of compassion, sensitivity, humanity and empathy.

Sounds more like the McCann's than anyone on this thread.

It's hard to find empathy for someone when they're spending their time drinking brandy with a pedophile laughing and joking how the dogs the public spent a lot of money on to try help find their daughter wouldn't be able to be used in evidence against them.

I don't particularly care about the McCann's. I care about their poor innocent child who was left alone in a foreign country while their parents skulked GnT.

Maybe if they've had some of the above we're all lacking here this wouldn't have happened.

Rock77 · 05-06-2020 9:57am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Sounds more like the McCann's than anyone on this thread.

It's hard to find empathy for someone when they're spending their time drinking brandy with a pedophile laughing and joking how the dogs the public spent a lot of money on to try help find their daughter wouldn't be able to be used in evidence against them.

I don't particularly care about the McCann's. I care about their poor innocent child who was left alone in a foreign country while their parents skulked GnT.

Maybe if they've had some of the above we're all lacking here this wouldn't have happened.

Sorry, I’m a bit behind here. Drinking brandy with a pedophile and laughing about dogs and evidence?? What’s this?

retro:electro · 05-06-2020 10:01am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TheW1zard wrote: »

Plenty of evidence they did it, absolutely none for the German.

I’d love to hear this evidence.

TheW1zard · 05-06-2020 10:27am

Accident happened, parents hid body

retro:electro wrote: »

I’d love to hear this evidence.

Where do I start!?

tommythecat · 05-06-2020 10:29am

TheW1zard wrote: »

Where do I start!?

With the evidence.

limnam · 05-06-2020 10:31am

Rock77 wrote: »

Sorry, I’m a bit behind here. Drinking brandy with a pedophile and laughing about dogs and evidence?? What’s this?

You haven't read Mrs McCann's book then

splinter65 · 05-06-2020 10:31am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Rock77 wrote: »

Sorry, I’m a bit behind here. Drinking brandy with a pedophile and laughing about dogs and evidence?? What’s this?

It’s a sample of 12 years of myths and legends about the McCanns. Imagine knowing people are making this stuff up about you and knowing that your twins are getting older and they’re soon going to be reading this, and you’ll be having to explain this.
But people like this poster seem to actually want the twins to suffer. It’s either a kind of sadism or just a further way of persecuting the McCanns, which remains a blood sport of such.

limnam · 05-06-2020 10:32am

splinter65 wrote: »

It’s a sample of 12 years of myths and legends about the McCanns. Imagine knowing people are making this stuff up about you and knowing that your twins are getting older and they’re soon going to be reading this, and you’ll be having to explain this.
But people like this poster seem to actually want the twins to suffer. It’s either a kind of sadism or just a further way of persecuting the McCanns, which remains a blood sport of such.

How can it be a myth when she wrote it in her own book?

Are you suggesting she's a liar?

splinter65 · 05-06-2020 10:34am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TheW1zard wrote: »

Plenty of evidence they did it, absolutely none for the German.

I’m really interested to see your evidence. Even in bullet points, can you possibly show us this evidence.
Especially as two separate police forces including 100s of detectives seem to have completely missed it.

TheW1zard · 05-06-2020 10:35am

Accident happened, parents hid body

tommythecat wrote: »

With the evidence.

How about the forensic evidence in the apartment and hire car for starters.

limnam · 05-06-2020 10:37am

TheW1zard wrote: »

How about the forensic evidence in the apartment and hire car for starters.

This would only be considered evidence if the car was owned by a German pedophile

cnocbui · 05-06-2020 10:40am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TheW1zard wrote: »

How about the forensic evidence in the apartment and hire car for starters.

No relevant forensic evidence was found in either location.

splinter65 · 05-06-2020 10:40am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

How can it be a myth when she wrote it in her own book?

Are you suggesting she's a liar?

“It's hard to find empathy for someone when they're spending their time drinking brandy with a pedophile laughing and joking how the dogs the public spent a lot of money on to try help find their daughter wouldn't be able to be used in evidence against them.”

Can you point out the chapter in her book where she describes their experience with Freud in this manner.
Please be aware I have that book.
Maybe you can copy and paste that but so we can all read it.
Is it not a fact that because it suits you, you choose to interpret her description in this manner?
I note that you don’t dispute any of my allegations. That’s interesting.

TheW1zard · 05-06-2020 10:40am

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

This would only be considered evidence if the car was owned by a German pedophile

The evidence certainly doesnt point to the German peedo. It points to the McCanns.

splinter65 · 05-06-2020 10:41am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TheW1zard wrote: »

How about the forensic evidence in the apartment and hire car for starters.

What forensic evidence is that?

limnam · 05-06-2020 10:42am

splinter65 wrote: »

“It's hard to find empathy for someone when they're spending their time drinking brandy with a pedophile laughing and joking how the dogs the public spent a lot of money on to try help find their daughter wouldn't be able to be used in evidence against them.”

Can you point out the chapter in her book where she describes their experience with Freud in this manner.
Please be aware I have that book.
Maybe you can copy and paste that but so we can all read it.
Is it not a fact that because it suits you, you choose to interpret her description in this manner?
I note that you don’t dispute any of my allegations. That’s interesting.

It's been posted in thread a number of times the exact quotes.

Feel free to search.

limnam · 05-06-2020 10:43am

TheW1zard wrote: »

The evidence certainly doesnt point to the German peedo. It points to the McCanns.

I understand. But unless the car is owned by a German pedophile. People are not interested.

retro:electro · 05-06-2020 10:43am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

An alert is just an alert. It is absolutely meaningless and worthless if there’s nothing weighty and substantial to back it up, which there wasn’t. They lead people to evidence, alerts aren’t considered evidence in and of themselves. I believe the dog’s own handler even said as much in the documentary:

”There never did emerge one single identical match for the DNA of Madeleine McCann," investigative reporter and researcher Robbyn Swan explains.

“Expert dog handler Martin Grime says that an alert from the cadaver dogs was not enough on its own; it was only ever intended as an indicator for the investigators to look for possible corroborating evidence – which, in this case, they did not find”

But sure, it’s not like that hasn’t been said a thousand times before on this thread *shrugs*

Anyway you said there was “plenty” so I’m sure you’ll be back with more.

splinter65 · 05-06-2020 10:44am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TheW1zard wrote: »

Where do I start!?

Just list all the evidence there is that the McCanns murdered their child.
Then you can tell us why you think that 100s of detectives from at least 2 countries working on the ground at the scene of the crime for 12 years missed this evidence and you from the comfort of your own home have seen it all.

cgcsb · 05-06-2020 10:45am

Something Else

TheW1zard wrote: »

Where do I start!?

Leaving the door open, tampering with the window from the inside, arranging for friends to lie about the checks and the time line, drugging the kids to make them sleep, Kate McCann having possession of the teddy bear (from which Maddie was inseparable) that wasn't in the room when the police arrived, continued lies throughout the investigation, general coldness the day after the events and of course Kate's initial reaction: 'They've taken her'(indicating she had already formed a narrative in their head is a good start. None are conclusive, but still more than they have on the German guy.

limnam · 05-06-2020 10:47am

cgcsb wrote: »

Leaving the door open, tampering with the window from the inside, arranging for friends to lie about the checks and the time line and drugging the kids is a good start. None are conclusive, but still more than they have on the german guy.

This is not evidence they killed their daughter.

It is evidence of interfering with an investigation/crime scene. Which is in itself bloody bizzare.

Again, this is all fine and can be safely ignored. Unless your German and have fiddled with kids.

cnocbui · 05-06-2020 10:49am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

It's been posted in thread a number of times the exact quotes.

Feel free to search.

You are almost trolling. Neither the police, nor the McCanns, were aware he was a pedophile at the time, and you know it.

splinter65 · 05-06-2020 10:49am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

Leaving the door open, tampering with the window from the inside, arranging for friends to lie about the checks and the time line and drugging the kids is a good start. None are conclusive, but still more than they have on the german guy.

But you’ll have to give us proof that these things actually happened, not just inside your head, or we’ll have to come to the conclusion that you just made this all up.
You do understand that “evidence” (proven facts) and your opinion are not the same thing?

limnam · 05-06-2020 10:50am

cnocbui wrote: »

You are almost trolling. Neither the police, nor the McCanns, were aware he was a pedophile at the time, and you know it.

I didn't say they did. I just said he is one. which he is.

retro:electro · 05-06-2020 10:50am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

splinter65 wrote: »

“It's hard to find empathy for someone when they're spending their time drinking brandy with a pedophile laughing and joking how the dogs the public spent a lot of money on to try help find their daughter wouldn't be able to be used in evidence against them.”

Can you point out the chapter in her book where she describes their experience with Freud in this manner.
Please be aware I have that book.
Maybe you can copy and paste that but so we can all read it.
Is it not a fact that because it suits you, you choose to interpret her description in this manner?
I note that you don’t dispute any of my allegations. That’s interesting.

What I find funny is the things that are inferred about Kate, Gerry and Freud because they drank brandy with him after Madeleine went missing, there must have been some collusion going on there in relation to why she’s missing. These things are implied all the time here despite absolutely no evidence to suggest it.

But the German guy who was in the area at the time she disappeared and is already in jail for sex crimes, he gets defended because “there’s no evidence”.
Strange mob aren’t they. I wonder are they usually this selective in what paedos they choose to defend.

Neyite · 05-06-2020 10:51am

SusieBlue wrote: »

Yeah we all know it was irresponsible to leave the kids alone, I don’t see why this needs to be repeated every few posts as if it’s some brands new fresh conclusion that hasn’t been mentioned constantly in every single conversation on every single platform about this case since the very minute it happened.

I’m sure Kate & Gerry know they made a horrific error of judgment and they’ll pay for that mistake for the rest of their living days, it is possible to discuss the case without saying ‘but they shouldn’t have left the kids alone’ every two seconds. We know they shouldn’t have left them alone.

They don't agree though. Everyone is saying that they probably deeply regret leaving the children and feel that they made an error of judgement, but they don't. They've continued to strongly deny that they did anything wrong in habitually leaving the children alone every evening. They've defended that decision every single time. They absolutely reject the idea that they were in any way neglectful to the children by leaving them alone in an unlocked apartment, and have threatened lawsuits towards any publications /websites that suggest it.

splinter65 · 05-06-2020 10:55am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

retro:electro wrote: »

What I find funny is the things that are inferred about Kate, Gerry and Freud because they drank brandy with him after Madeleine went missing, there must have been some collusion going on there in relation to why she’s missing. These things are implied all the time here.

But the German guy who was in the area at the time she disappeared and is already in jail for sex crimes, he gets defended because “there’s no evidence”.
Strange mob aren’t they. I wonder are they usually this selective in what paedos they choose to defend.

The defence of the paedo is interesting and quite telling I think. Poor man just about to be released from prison facing this ordeal.

limnam · 05-06-2020 10:56am

retro:electro wrote: »

What I find funny is the things that are inferred about Kate, Gerry and Freud because they drank brandy with him after Madeleine went missing, there must have been some collusion going on there in relation to why she’s missing. These things are implied all the time here.

I don't care that she was drinking brandy with him.

I don't care that he's a pedophile.

I am concerned in her relief the dogs would not be used in the courtroom against her. As the public had spent an awful lot of money and the dog and their owners were trying to assist in finding their daughter.

Noting funny about it.

What is not so much funny, but utterly bizzare that the "McCann brigade" would go out of there way to try to also discredit the man and the dogs when all he was doing was helping.

retro:electro wrote: »

But the German guy who was in the area at the time she disappeared and is already in jail for sex crimes, he gets defended because “there’s no evidence”.
Strange mob aren’t they. I wonder are they usually this selective in what paedos they choose to defend.

He's not been defended for his sex crimes.
There's nothing remotely linking him to the crime.

Mrs.Mcan on the other hand has a lot to answer for.

Which she refused to while a suspect. That itself is an issue.

TheW1zard · 05-06-2020 10:56am

Accident happened, parents hid body

Changing their stories, friends contradicting each other, window only opening from the inside, major holes in timelines, kids not waking up when cops were there (drugged), hire car, mobile phone pings, not answering questions in police interviews, language analysis of the parents pointing to deception,cadaver dogs,screaming abduction straight away, jane tanner, bar staff stating Gerry was gone for a period, the list goes on.
That's all called evidence, evidence in a criminal investigation.

retro:electro · 05-06-2020 10:56am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

splinter65 wrote: »

The defence of the paedo is interesting and quite telling I think. Poor man just about to be released from prison facing this ordeal.

Imagine hating the McCanns so much you defend a paedophile.

Grim but not surprising.

cgcsb · 05-06-2020 10:57am

Something Else

splinter65 wrote: »

But you’ll have to give us proof that these things actually happened, not just inside your head, or we’ll have to come to the conclusion that you just made this all up.
You do understand that “evidence” (proven facts) and your opinion are not the same thing?

Like I said there is no conclusive proof they killed her, but there's suspicion. Of the information that's in the public domain so far, there's more on the McCanns than our German. The German only has a City of residence at the time of events.

cgcsb · 05-06-2020 10:59am

Something Else

retro:electro wrote: »

But the German guy who was in the area at the time she disappeared and is already in jail for sex crimes, he gets defended because “there’s no evidence”.
Strange mob aren’t they. I wonder are they usually this selective in what paedos they choose to defend.

Nobody has defended him, posters have merely stated that there is no evidence (in the public domain at least) that indicates he done it. By all means he is a person of interest, in the same way that everyone with a record who was in the area at the time is a person of interest.

TheW1zard · 05-06-2020 11:00am

Accident happened, parents hid body

splinter65 wrote: »

But you’ll have to give us proof that these things actually happened, not just inside your head, or we’ll have to come to the conclusion that you just made this all up.
You do understand that “evidence” (proven facts) and your opinion are not the same thing?

He was stating the evidence, you're changing the goal posts because it doesn't suit you. There is no concrete proof, and there's no evidence the German fella did it. There is plenty of evidence the parents did it, which was what he was saying.

Babooshka · 05-06-2020 11:01am

cgcsb wrote: »

Like I said there is no conclusive proof they killed her, but there's suspicion. Of the information that's in the public domain so far, there's more on the McCanns than our German. The German only has a City of residence at the time of events.

Yeah sure he only raped an elderly woman in the resort a couple of years before the little girl went missing, that's all. He was only a known burglar and sexual predator, that's all.

limnam · 05-06-2020 11:04am

Babooshka wrote: »

Yeah sure he only raped an elderly woman in the resort a couple of years before the little girl went missing, that's all. He was only a known burglar and sexual predator, that's all.

How many kids did the man she was drinking brandy with rape?

cgcsb · 05-06-2020 11:05am

Something Else

Babooshka wrote: »

Yeah sure he only raped an elderly woman in the resort a couple of years before the little girl went missing, that's all. He was only a known burglar and sexual predator, that's all.

Yes, all good points, he might have done it, but there's no proof (that we know of). The most compelling thing going for him is what he said drunk in a bar in 2017 coupled with his whereabouts at the time and past crimes.

Freud could have also done it, in fact being closer to the family is even more suspicious. They say that these people often know their victims a long time before they strike.

TheW1zard · 05-06-2020 11:08am

Accident happened, parents hid body

Babooshka wrote: »

Yeah sure he only raped an elderly woman in the resort a couple of years before the little girl went missing, that's all. He was only a known burglar and sexual predator, that's all.

The German guy raped the elderly woman in the Ocean Club resort?

Babooshka · 05-06-2020 11:09am

limnam wrote: »

How many kids did the man she was drinking brandy with rape?

I can't answer your question and I doubt you can. You are always all over anyone who disagrees with your theories and I won't be engaging with you after this because I find you particularly aggressive on these particular threads, I had an unfortunate experience of your vitriol years back and don't want to go there again. I'd honestly get help, or take up a hobby.

splinter65 · 05-06-2020 11:11am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

I don't care that she was drinking brandy with him.

I don't care that he's a pedophile.

I am concerned in her relief the dogs would not be used in the courtroom against her. As the public had spent an awful lot of money and the dog and their owners were trying to assist in finding their daughter.

Noting funny about it.

What is not so much funny, but utterly bizzare that the "McCann brigade" would go out of there way to try to also discredit the man and the dogs when all he was doing was helping.

He's not been defended for his sex crimes.
There's nothing remotely linking him to the crime.

Mrs.Mcan on the other hand has a lot to answer for.

Which she refused to while a suspect. That itself is an issue.

You refuse to accept the conclusion of the German police regarding Christian B. On what grounds ?

Babooshka · 05-06-2020 11:11am

TheW1zard wrote: »

The German guy raped the elderly woman in the Ocean Club resort?

Yes he's serving time for it currently. Edit: in Praia da Luz...not the ocean club.

splinter65 · 05-06-2020 11:13am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TheW1zard wrote: »

Changing their stories, friends contradicting each other, window only opening from the inside, major holes in timelines, kids not waking up when cops were there (drugged), hire car, mobile phone pings, not answering questions in police interviews, language analysis of the parents pointing to deception,cadaver dogs,screaming abduction straight away, jane tanner, bar staff stating Gerry was gone for a period, the list goes on.
That's all called evidence, evidence in a criminal investigation.

Yes you’ve said. But you’ve not yet shown us any link that any of these things actually happened or that any of them are relevant outside of your imagination. Can you really not see the difference?

Madeleine McCann

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