UFC Fight Night Events Thread - Spoilers Within

Wrongway1985 · 31-05-2020 4:42am

Woodley did well to hang in after the difficult first but since all he's done is hang on as the rounds slip away.

Doubtful now he'll come out particularly after nearly getting dropped there but he obviously needs to.

Whelo79 · 31-05-2020 4:46am

What happened Woodley? From the guy who ran through Robbie Lawlor to the one we have seen over the last 3-4 fights, it's a completely different fighter.

bmcc10 · 31-05-2020 4:49am

50-44 Woodley should call it a day lost 10 rounds in a row now it's a mental thing with him.

eagle eye · 31-05-2020 4:54am

I hope Tyron retires now.

derfderf · 31-05-2020 6:16am

38 years old in a kind of young man's division. As mentioned above, lost 10 rounds in a row. I doubt the hunger is there, he looks a shell of himself.
He never struck me as someone that particularly liked fighting, so it might be time to bow out.

martyos121 · 31-05-2020 8:25pm

derfderf wrote: »

38 years old in a kind of young man's division. As mentioned above, lost 10 rounds in a row. I doubt the hunger is there, he looks a shell of himself.
He never struck me as someone that particularly liked fighting, so it might be time to bow out.

Sounds like he should hang up the gloves alright based on this:

https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/1266954967455346688?s=21

His heart just isn’t in the sport anymore it seems. He’ll still go down as one of the greatest welterweights of all time.

mailburner · 31-05-2020 8:41pm

would love to know how woodley would have got on if burns, colby and usman were in the div when he started his reign.
I think all 3 would have taken him quite handy tbh

so he beat robbie then wonderboy twice maia and till
I just think he around at the right time against fighters that suited
his style but like so many you can only beat what's there at the time.

maia always struggles against the like woodley, burns colby
robbie has barely won a fight since
wonderboy...well at least we won't get to see that one again but razor thin decisions
Till wasn't ready and had no ground game anyway

before all that he was outclassed by rory and somehow managed to lose to jake shiels (watch that one

)
The win against Gastelum and condit were good

That might sound disrestpectful and I'm sure comparisons can be made with other past champions but woodley right now at his best would be behind those three I mentioned
I guess he can take some solace in not having had a loss against colby

SlowBlowin · 31-05-2020 11:16pm

mailburner wrote: »

would love to know how woodley would have got on if burns, colby and usman were in the div when he started his reign.
I think all 3 would have taken him quite handy tbh

so he beat robbie then wonderboy twice maia and till
I just think he around at the right time against fighters that suited
his style but like so many you can only beat what's there at the time.

maia always struggles against the like woodley, burns colby
robbie has barely won a fight since
wonderboy...well at least we won't get to see that one again but razor thin decisions
Till wasn't ready and had no ground game anyway

before all that he was outclassed by rory and somehow managed to lose to jake shiels (watch that one)
The win against Gastelum and condit were good

That might sound disrestpectful and I'm sure comparisons can be made with other past champions but woodley right now at his best would be behind those three I mentioned
I guess he can take some solace in not having had a loss against colby

Couldn't agree more...

eagle eye · 31-05-2020 11:27pm

Well I'll disagree, he was a class act and is one of the best welterweightsvof all time. He best all the best and now because he loses two fights poorly in his late thirties everybody suddenly has this weird hindsight?
The guy is clearly finished but he went the distance despite taking lots of damage.
I don't think any of them outside of Usman would have been a threat to him in his prime.

CatFromHue · 31-05-2020 11:38pm

It was a majority draw in the first Wonderboy fight and in his win over Condit Condit picked up a freak knee injury. Whether Woodley was the cause I don't really know.

His record is good but one of the best ever I don't know about that. Him even getting the title shot in the first place was based on very weak reasons. A split decision over Gasteleum and then 18 months later beats Lawlor.

mailburner · 01-06-2020 12:26am

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I'll disagree, he was a class act and is one of the best welterweightsvof all time. He best all the best and now because he loses two fights poorly in his late thirties everybody suddenly has this weird hindsight?
The guy is clearly finished but he went the distance despite taking lots of damage.
I don't think any of them outside of Usman would have been a threat to him in his prime.

not sure that really matters, there's better fighters out there now and I'm not sure if he declined that much in the space of 6 months between till and usman or from maia to usman even
It's not an age thing for me anyway, just better competition.

colby imo would have taken his soul the same way usman did but at least for now it means colby won't be wearing that strap

eagle eye · 01-06-2020 12:35am

mailburner wrote:

not sure that really matters, there's better fighters out there now and I'm not sure if he declined that much in the space of 6 months between till and usman or from maia to usman even It's not an age thing for me anyway, just better competition.

colby imo would have taken his soul the same way usman did but at least for now it means colby won't be wearing that strap

How many Champions can you name in their late thirties? You'll find its a short list. Age does matter
Colby was ripped apart by Usman, you've nothing only your own opinion on what way a fight between have m and Woodley would go. A prime Woodley Vs Usman would be a great fight, a prime Woodley would ko Covington imo.

mailburner · 01-06-2020 11:01am

eagle eye wrote: »

How many Champions can you name in their late thirties? You'll find its a short list. Age does matter
Colby was ripped apart by Usman, you've nothing only your own opinion on what way a fight between have m and Woodley would go. A prime Woodley Vs Usman would be a great fight, a prime Woodley would ko Covington imo.

He was 36 when usman beat him, not that old, there's been a few...silva 38, randy, chuck bisping all older

That fight was even going into the last, one judge even had colby 3-1 up so it was actually a close fight, wouldn't call that being ripped apart

we'll agree to disagree on the woodley colby match up

eagle eye · 01-06-2020 11:09am

mailburner wrote:

He was 36 when usman beat him, not that old, there's been a few...silva 38, randy, chuck bisping all older

So you admit it's uncommon which means age is a major factor.

mailburner wrote:

That fight was even going into the last, one judge even had colby 3-1 up so it was actually a close fight, wouldn't call that being ripped apart

I don't know what those judges were on, Usman clearly won every round.

mailburner wrote:

we'll agree to disagree on the woodley colby match up

That's fine so long as you realise your opinion is just that.

mailburner · 01-06-2020 11:44am

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't know what those judges were on, Usman clearly won every round.

.

plenty would disagree including experts who know a lot more about the game than I do at least

I think colby won at least a round, maybe 2...again just my opinion if I'm allowed one

eagle eye · 01-06-2020 11:52am

mailburner wrote:

you really do love tyron, apologies if my opinion of him offended you which it looks like it did He's still in the top 10 ww of all time (in my opinon of course)

I don't love Tyron, I just hate poor revisionism.
You have decided after he loses a fight at 38 years of age to question his whole legacy. Not only that but you are also dismissing Robbie Lawler and Damien Maia.

mailburner · 01-06-2020 11:57am

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't love Tyron, I just hate poor revisionism.
You have decided after he loses a fight at 38 years of age to question his whole legacy. Not only that but you are also dismissing Robbie Lawler and Damien Maia.

sure maia is an old man and robbie has won 1 fight in 4 years

nope, I'm only saying that colby or usman (and burns possibly) would have
beaten tyron in his prime

It's only my opinion of course

woodley wasn't bad though

eagle eye · 01-06-2020 12:05pm

mailburner wrote:

sure maia is an old man and robbie has won 1 fight in 4 years

nope, I'm only saying that colby or usman (and burns possibly) would have beaten tyron in his prime

It's only my opinion of course

woodley wasn't bad though

You dissed his wins over Lawler and Maia. Then you go on about Covington, whose biggest wins were over an older Lawler and older Maia over the distance, as better than Woodley who beat both of them when they were younger better fighters and ko'd Lawler.

SlowBlowin · 01-06-2020 12:06pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I'll disagree, he was a class act and is one of the best welterweightsvof all time. He best all the best and now because he loses two fights poorly in his late thirties everybody suddenly has this weird hindsight?
The guy is clearly finished but he went the distance despite taking lots of damage.
I don't think any of them outside of Usman would have been a threat to him in his prime.

Its just my opinion, I think he was good, as for being the best of all time, we would disagree on that point.

When he was training Floyd and they made a point about telling the world he (Tyrone) was the best of all time I gave it some serious thought and decided in my view no, that was not the case.

He was a great fighter when he could dictate the pace, but his hunger for a win seemed to ebb away when faced with serious opposition.

eagle eye · 01-06-2020 12:10pm

SlowBlowin wrote:

He was a great fighter when he could dictate the pace, but his hunger for a win seemed to ebb away when faced with serious opposition.

What fights are you alluding to where his hunger ebbed away?

mailburner · 01-06-2020 12:16pm

eagle eye wrote: »

You dissed his wins over Lawler and Maia. Then you go on about Covington, whose biggest wins were over an older Lawler and older Maia over the distance, as better than Woodley who beat both of them when they were younger better fighters and ko'd Lawler.

you're right about colby in that he's not really beaten much and he had a nice soft run up to the title fight against a past it robbie, maia and rda

wood lost to rory and beat kim and gastelum and got a shot, possibly jumping the queue there
He's still achieved a lot more than cc or usman and in such a stacked div I think anyone of cc, usman burns might beat each other on any given night.

His performance against usman surprised me a little as I thought usman would beat him handy so maybe I'm giving colby too much credit for performance against usman

SlowBlowin · 01-06-2020 12:40pm

eagle eye wrote: »

What fights are you alluding to where his hunger ebbed away?

In my opinion he has not displayed any hunger since the Lawler fight. Till was a forgone conclusion so I ignore that. Other than Till he only ever did just enough to get a close decision, or indeed lost.

eagle eye · 01-06-2020 1:29pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

In my opinion he has not displayed any hunger since the Lawler fight. Till was a forgone conclusion so I ignore that. Other than Till he only ever did just enough to get a close decision, or indeed lost.

So basically we are back to his last two fights again.

Everything you are basing his whole career on is in his last two fights. Do you not see how ridiculous that is?

SlowBlowin · 01-06-2020 2:26pm

eagle eye wrote: »

So basically we are back to his last two fights again.

Everything you are basing his whole career on is in his last two fights. Do you not see how ridiculous that is?

No, count again, thats 6 fights which is 25% of his professional fights, so not at all ridiculous.

eagle eye · 01-06-2020 2:33pm

SlowBlowin wrote:

No, count again, thats 6 fights which is 25% of his professional fights, so not at all ridiculous.

Name the fights.

SlowBlowin · 01-06-2020 4:00pm

Why don't you do it, look at his record online, google Tyron Woodley and count from burns backwards to Lawler. You will have to use both hands because its 6 (unless by some chance you have 6 fingers on one hand)..

Its just my opinion, there is no right and wrong, its an opinion, I have gardening to do now.

eagle eye · 01-06-2020 4:15pm

SlowBlowin wrote:

Why don't you do it, look at his record online, google Tyron Woodley and count from burns backwards to Lawler. You will have to use both hands because its 6 (unless by some chance you have 6 fingers on one hand)..

He won all those fights up until Usman. I've seen most of his fights. I've no idea what you are on about. You are saying he had no hunger, he beat Lawler, beat Maia, beat Till, drew and beat Wonderboy.

SlowBlowin · 01-06-2020 5:06pm

Yes I know the results, I am saying he never looked like the GOAT.

The GOAT would have put away Thompson, look how Burns handled Demian Maia, Woodley did a great job but didn't seem hungry/able to finish.

As I said, hes been a great fighter and champion, just not the GOAT in my opinion.

eagle eye · 01-06-2020 5:28pm

I never called him the GOAT, I called him one of the best welterweights of all time. GSP is the greatest welterweight ever.

Now you are comparing 39 year old Maia with 42 year old Maia. How about Usman vs Maia the year after he fought Woodley? Better comparison maybe?
Thompson had been put away once in his life, early in his career, when he met Woodley. Burns fought a 37 year old Thompson, again three years older than when he fought Woodley

He's certainly in the conversation for welterweight's greatest.

mailburner · 01-06-2020 6:45pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I

Thompson had been put away once in his life, early in his career, when he met Woodley. Burns fought a 37 year old Thompson, again three years older than when he fought Woodley

Thomson was put away once....by pettis last year unless you mean losing to matt brown on pts

burns never fought thompson

eagle eye · 01-06-2020 6:56pm

mailburner wrote:

Thomson was put away once....by pettis last year unless you mean losing to matt brown on pts

burns never fought thompson

I wrote that wrong. Maia is who I was referring to as being 39 when he fought Woodley, 40 when he fought Usman and 42 when he fought Burns.

Thompson was never stopped before he met Woodley but you are criticising him for not knocking out Wonderboy?

Seems you privately dislike Woodley for some reason because he is one of the greatest welterweight's of all time.

mailburner · 01-06-2020 7:18pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I wrote that wrong. Maia is who I was referring to as being 39 when he fought Woodley, 40 when he fought Usman and 42 when he fought Burns.

Thompson was never stopped before he met Woodley but you are criticising him for not knocking out Wonderboy?

you're making this up, never said it

There's few harder to knock out than wonderboy, pettis got lucky in doing so.

eagle eye · 01-06-2020 8:22pm

SlowBlowin wrote:

The GOAT would have put away Thompson, look how Burns handled Demian Maia, Woodley did a great job but didn't seem hungry/able to finish.

mailburner wrote:

you're making this up, never said it There's few harder to knock out than wonderboy, pettis got lucky in doing so.

There you go.

mailburner · 01-06-2020 8:30pm

eagle eye wrote: »

There you go.

you're getting me mixed up with somene else :pac::D

it's ok you made a simple mistake....

eagle eye · 01-06-2020 8:59pm

mailburner wrote:

you're getting me mixed up with somene else

it's ok you made a simple mistake....

My apologies.

Homelander · 03-06-2020 12:54am

Shevchenko got annihilated in there in embarrassing fashion....I really don't get why she was a heavy favorite to begin with?

Mellor · 03-06-2020 4:08pm

Homelander wrote: »

Shevchenko got annihilated in there in embarrassing fashion....I really don't get why she was a heavy favorite to begin with?

Possibly confusion Shevchenko that smashed Chookagian in her previous fight.

Whelo79 · 14-06-2020 1:05am

The fighters are in a hurry tonight for some reason. 3 fights so far and all done inside the first minute!

derfderf · 14-06-2020 2:18am

Whelo79 wrote: »

The fighters are in a hurry tonight for some reason. 3 fights so far and all done inside the first minute!

I tuned in late and there were no fights on for ages. Realised they had about 40 minutes to kill.

MrStuffins · 14-06-2020 2:19am

That Kazakh lady is amped up and very scary. Great performance!

Whelo79 · 14-06-2020 2:45am

MrStuffins wrote: »

That Kazakh lady is amped up and very scary. Great performance!

Yeah she was impressive alright. She's so long too.

brendanwalsh · 14-06-2020 2:52am

Incredible card so far. These hungry dogs are desperate to make a name for themselves.

Still Ill · 14-06-2020 2:53am

Gotta love these names 'Air' Jordain and 'Touchy' Fili :pac:

Whelo79 · 14-06-2020 2:56am

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Incredible card so far. These hungry dogs are desperate to make a name for themselves.

Small cage action. Burn the big cage down!

Still Ill · 14-06-2020 4:54am

That's some aggressive coaching from Eye's corner.:eek:

callaway92 · 14-06-2020 11:05am

What a disgusting 'Main Event'.

Fili vs Jourdain was a great fight though

xtal191 · 14-06-2020 3:09pm

Delighted Eye lost, shes very unlikable

ASOT · 14-06-2020 3:11pm

That card was great, it's always the bad cards on paper that do end up being really good.

Whelo79 · 21-06-2020 2:54am

Not a bad card tonight to be fair. Much better than it came across on paper. Some decent scraps so far, and the much earlier start really helps.

SlowBlowin · 21-06-2020 2:57am

Whelo79 wrote: »

Not a bad card tonight to be fair. Much better than it came across on paper. Some decent scraps so far, and the much earlier start really helps.

My thoughts exactly, really enjoying it so far..

UFC Fight Night Events Thread - Spoilers Within

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