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TDs have voted to make it compulsory to stand during the Dail prayer

  • 04-05-2017 2:50pm
    #1
    howamidifferent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭


    https://www.thejournal.ie/dail-prayer-4-3372533-May2017/

    Backwards we go...How is this even conceivable, we have the #TechCork17 summit taking place while these mopes vote to stay in the stone age.... :(

    Do you agree with making all TDs stand for prayer? 46 votes

    Yes
    0% 0 votes
    No
    100% 46 votes


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Comments

  • #2
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Approaching 3pm....yup its time for boards anti-catholic thread!


  • #3
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    What I like about this and it sums up the public sector to a t is this - whereas they previously wasted time on just a prayer now they'll waste more of it with the additional pause for reflection malarkey. Suits them I'd say, before they retire to the bar for the serious business of the day.


  • #4
    Cervantes2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭Cervantes2


    That would be an ecumenical matter.


  • #5
    howamidifferent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Approaching 3pm....yup its time for boards anti-catholic thread!

    It's not an anti-catholic rant, it's an anti-stupidity rant. :mad:


  • #6
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    How is it even legal to force people to perform a religious act before work?


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  • #7
    Jack the Stripper
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Jack the Stripper


    ScumLord wrote: »
    How is it even legal to force people to perform a religious act before work?

    Isn't it better than a sexual act?


  • #8
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,703 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    ScumLord wrote: »
    How is it even legal to force people to perform a religious act before work?
    Nobody's forced. Members don't have to attend for prayers. If you choose to attend, you're expected to stand.


  • #9
    techdiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭techdiver


    There are no words!.... :mad::mad::mad:


  • #10
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Jack the Stripper wrote: »
    Isn't it better than a sexual act?

    I dunno that might make things more appealing.


  • #11
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    ScumLord wrote: »
    How is it even legal to force people to perform a religious act before work?

    Standing?


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  • #12
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Nobody's forced. Members don't have to attend for prayers. If you choose to attend, you're expected to stand.
    It's compulsory to stand according to the OP. So either stay out or prey?

    What happens if you refuse to stand?


  • #13
    Taxburden carrier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Taxburden carrier


    Pity that it's not compulsory that members actually turn up ...AND stay around after signing in !


  • #14
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Dont see a problem, dont want a quick prayer before work starts, then they out before the order of business begins.


  • #15
    cruizer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭cruizer101


    What really worries me here is the numbers it won by 97 votes to 17, with 19 abstentions. So its not like it just scraped through, a vast majority of our public representatives voted to dedicate time to a load of bolloxology. What the proper f**k like :mad:


  • #16
    techdiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭techdiver


    In a time when the church and state needs to be separated more, the Dáil takes a retrograde steps of copper fastening the fact the Ireland is still "catholic" and **** anyone else.

    Is there a list of deputies that voted for/against this?


  • #17
    Chester Copperpot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Chester Copperpot


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Dont see a problem, dont want a quick prayer before work starts, then they out before the order of business begins.

    Problem is that they are firmly involving religious practice with an institution of the state. Should be completely separate. Religious practice should be something people do on their own time if they want to


  • #18
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Approaching 3pm....yup its time for boards anti-catholic thread!

    I knew you lot would be quick to show up but Christ, at least give us a chance to respond saying this isn't the best thing ever before winding up the victim complex.


  • #19
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Damn people for having other opinions than mine, I am so outraged and offended.

    Now I shall over use the word of how Ireland is coming a backwater, wtf, bla, bla, bla.

    It's an optional prayer before work begins, no one is forced to attend.


  • #20
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Damn people for having other opinions than mine, I am so outraged and offended.

    Now I shall over use the word of how Ireland is coming a backwater, wtf, bla, bla, bla.

    It's an optional prayer before work begins, no one is forced to attend.

    It shouldn't be in the workplace. Especially the Dail......


  • #21
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,753 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    They need some exercise.


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  • #22
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Why the feck can't they just have the silence and people can pray in silence if they feel the need to, or mentally write a shopping list if they prefer. Covers all bases.


  • #23
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    It's unconstitutional. I wonder will it be challenged in the courts.


  • #24
    techdiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭techdiver


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Damn people for having other opinions than mine, I am so outraged and offended.

    Now I shall over use the word of how Ireland is coming a backwater, wtf, bla, bla, bla.

    It's an optional prayer before work begins, no one is forced to attend.
    cursai wrote: »
    It shouldn't be in the workplace. Especially the Dail......

    Yeah imagine having to wait outside your office or place of work every morning for a prayer to be said before entering??


  • #25
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    If it was to Mecca there'd be a lot more on boards in favour of it ;)


  • #26
    big syke
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭big syke


    Chester Copperpot wrote: »
    Problem is that they are firmly involving religious practice with an institution of the state. Should be completely separate. Religious practice should be something people do on their own time if they want to

    It is on their own time though :confused:

    It is before work no?


  • #27
    Tayschren
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭Tayschren


    cruizer101 wrote: »
    What really worries me here is the numbers it won by 97 votes to 17, with 19 abstentions. So its not like it just scraped through, a vast majority of our public representatives voted to dedicate time to a load of bolloxology. What the proper f**k like :mad:


    And some people wonder why these fvcktards were going to spend 300m on a hospital and then give it away to nuns?

    FG from top to bottom are intertwined with the Catholic church. Muppets


  • #28
    big syke
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭big syke


    Tayschren wrote: »
    And some people wonder why these fvcktards were going to spend 300m on a hospital and then give it away to nuns?

    FG from top to bottom are intertwined with the Catholic church. Muppets

    Separate issues.

    I have no problem with having prayers before work.

    I am totally against the nuns owning/operating whatever the maternity hospital.

    I am anti abuse rather than anti catholic/church


  • #29
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    If it was to Mecca there'd be a lot more on boards in favour of it ;)
    No, all that nonsense should be done in private, we're paying these people to stand there mumbling to themselves.


  • #30
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    techdiver wrote: »
    Yeah imagine having to wait outside your office or place of work every morning for a prayer to be said before entering??

    Before your work begins, not interfering with your day at all.


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  • #31
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    ScumLord wrote: »
    No, all that nonsense should be done in private, we're paying these people to stand there mumbling to themselves.

    Before work though, so whoever wants to pray goes early. If you dont you can stay in the bar an extra 5 mins ( that could be an extra 2 pints ) :D


  • #32
    Tayschren
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭Tayschren


    big syke wrote: »
    Separate issues.

    I have no problem with having prayers before work.

    I am totally against the nuns owning/operating whatever the maternity hospital.

    I am anti abuse rather than anti catholic/church

    No its not, the government is full of bent over jebus believing troglodytes who see nothing wrong with empowering the church, to the extent they stand for prayer in whats supposed to be a secular state run parliament.

    This is the state we are in


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kylith wrote: »
    Why the feck can't they just have the silence and people can pray in silence if they feel the need to, or mentally write a shopping list if they prefer. Covers all bases.

    or why cant they just do their praying at home, in private???


  • #34
    big syke
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭big syke


    Tayschren wrote: »
    No its not, the government is full of bent over jebus believing troglodytes who see nothing wrong with empowering the church, to the extent they stand for prayer in whats supposed to be a secular state run parliament.

    This is the state we are in

    Standing for prayers before work (while also having the option of not even attending these prayers) vs giving nuns control of a maternity hospital where there would be a clear conflict of interest is of course two completely separate issues.


  • #35
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    I see Sinn Fein abstained. If you thought Labour were useless and disappointing in government, just wait until SF get their chance.


  • #36
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    big syke wrote: »

    I have no problem with having prayers before work.

    What about forcing other people to stand while you pray?


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  • #37
    big syke
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭big syke


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    What about forcing other people to stand while you pray?

    Who is forcing anyone to stand while they pray?

    They have an option not to attend.


  • #38
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    What about forcing other people to stand while you pray?

    No one is forcing anybody to do anything.

    The Dail has not commenced business or proceedings. It's not work time. Not praying, why be there.


  • #39
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Jake1 wrote: »
    or why cant they just do their praying at home, in private???

    Just out of the way all hush hush, no sight if your faith anywhere, might displease some atheists.


  • #40
    Cervantes2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭Cervantes2


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    If it was to Mecca there'd be a lot more on boards in favour of it ;)

    0/10


  • #41
    Chester Copperpot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Chester Copperpot


    big syke wrote: »
    It is on their own time though :confused:

    It is before work no?

    Should have been a bit more specific. On their own time meant away from the institutions of the state where they should be focused on acting as legislators in the interests of all Irish citizens. If they want to engage in religious practice do it somewhere else


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  • #42
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    I knew you lot would be quick to show up but Christ, at least give us a chance to respond saying this isn't the best thing ever before winding up the victim complex.

    Oh wait you think I'm a bible basher? Oh dear how wrong you are lol.


  • #43
    infogiver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    ScumLord wrote: »
    How is it even legal to force people to perform a religious act before work?

    Less legal and more democratic I'd imagine.
    The majority of TDs want to pray and stand and reflect.
    I'm sure if you just want to stand patiently for a couple of minutes and not pray or reflect at all that no one is going to poke you with a stick.


  • #44
    zedhead
    Registered Users Posts: 603 ✭✭✭zedhead


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Before your work begins, not interfering with your day at all.

    It might be. I regularly arrive to work early, if I had to leave my desk and wait outside to avoid having to stand for a prayer in my office I would not be too happy. Also for people on flexi time they may start work earlier than the official start time so this would interfere with their day. It has no place in a work setting at all!


  • #45
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,694 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Hopefully somebody stays sitting the first chance they get.


  • #46
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    big syke wrote: »
    Who is forcing anyone to stand while they pray?

    They have an option not to attend.
    So it's basically that Catholics can reserve the dail so they can have a prayer for themselves and non catholics have stand or stay out?

    It's the hijacking of the centre of our state for a select group of people.

    Is there not already some sort of chapel in the dail?


  • #47
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    If it gets them to turn up everyday I'm all for it


  • #48
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Tayschren wrote: »
    No its not, the government is full of bent over jebus believing troglodytes who see nothing wrong with empowering the church, to the extent they stand for prayer in whats supposed to be a secular state run parliament.

    This is the state we are in

    Yes the state of Ireland.


  • #49
    big syke
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭big syke


    Chester Copperpot wrote: »
    Should have been a bit more specific. On their own time meant away from the institutions of the state where they should be focused on acting as legislators in the interests of all Irish citizens. If they want to engage in religious practice do it somewhere else

    So once they are inside a state building they have to act as legislators in the interests of all Irish citizens?

    What about lunch hour?

    I really fail to grasp peoples problem.

    Prayers before work that are optional outside working hours??

    What is the issue?


  • #50
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    zedhead wrote: »
    It might be. I regularly arrive to work early, if I had to leave my desk and wait outside to avoid having to stand for a prayer in my office I would not be too happy. Also for people on flexi time they may start work earlier than the official start time so this would interfere with their day. It has no place in a work setting at all!

    Is your desk in an empty chamber with no business there before work begins where there is literally nothing you can do but sit. It's not an office, no printing of photocopying, no nothing. It's not an office building with flexi time, it's not like someone is prevented from doing absolutely anything.


  • #51
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    big syke wrote: »
    So once they are inside a state building they have to act as legislators in the interests of all Irish citizens?

    What about lunch hour?

    I really fail to grasp peoples problem.

    Prayers before work that are optional outside working hours??

    What is the issue?

    The issue is that variants of "church" and "pray" are major triggers for some AH regulars.


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