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Is music today a bit shït?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    There is some brilliant music out there. Just depends on your taste and knowing where to look. If anything services like spotify make it easier to find it than back in the day when you read an album review and bought a CD on the basis of that.

    Edit: the notion that the charts were once great might be wide of the mark too. People tend to remember a few songs from yesteryear but there was a top 40/100 then too which was full of tat. Not that I'd listen to chart music from then or now anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Just took a glance out of interest, based on the UK since I doubt you'd be able to find the archives for Ireland.

    The top 20 this time 20 years ago:
    1: Spice Girls - 2 Become 1
    2: Toni Braxton - Unbreak My Heart
    3: Dunblane - Knockin' on Heaven's Door
    4: Robert Miles - One & One
    5: Madonna - Don't Cry For Me Argentina
    6: Prodigy - Breathe
    7: Boyzone - A Different Beat
    8: Mark Morrison - Horny
    9: Celine Dion - All By Myself
    10: Woolpackers - Hillbilly Rock Hillbilly Roll
    11: Damage - Forever
    12: Beautiful South - Don't Marry Her
    13: East 17 - If You Ever
    14: Spice Girls - Say You'll Be There
    15: Whitney Houston - Step by Step
    16: 3T - I Need You
    17: Jamiroquai - Cosmic Girl
    18: Warren G - What's Love Got To Do With It
    19: Smurfs - A Christmas Wish
    20: Faithless - Salva Mea

    The top 20 this time 30 years ago:
    1: Jackie Wilson - Reet Petite
    2: The Housemartins - Caravan of Love
    3: Europe - The Final Countdown
    4: Madonna - Open Your Heart
    5: A-Ha - Cry Wolf
    6: Oran 'Juice' Jones - The Rain
    7: Erasure - Sometimes
    8: Alison Moyet - Is This Love?
    9: Gregory Abbott - Shake You Down
    10: Bon Jovi - Livin' on a Prayer
    11: The Communards - So Cold the Night
    12: The Gap Band - Big Fun
    13: Berlin - Take My Breath Away (Top Gun)
    14: Genesis - Land of Confusion
    15. Status Quo - Dreamin'
    16: Dexy's Midnight Runners - Because of You
    17: Jaki Graham - Step Right Up
    18: Elkie Brooks - No More the Fool
    19: Debbie Harry - French Kissin' in the USA
    20: Nick Kamen - Each Time You Break My Heart

    The top 20 this time 40 years ago:
    1: Johnny Mathis - When a Child is Born
    2: Showaddywaddy - Under the Moon of Love
    3: Abba - Money, Money, Money
    4: Queen - Somebody to Love
    5: Mike Oldfield - Portsmouth
    6: Electric Lights Orchestra - Livin' Thing
    7: Yvonne Elliman = Love Me
    8: Tina Charles - Dr. Love
    9: Smokle - Living Next Door to Alice
    10: Chris Hill - Bionic Santa
    11: David Soul - Don't Give Up on Us
    12: Mud - Lean on Me
    13: Dana - Fairy Tale
    14: Kursaal Flyers - Little Does She Know
    15: Paul Nicholas - Grandma's Party
    16: Chicago - If You Leave Me Now
    17: Status Quo - Wild Side of Life
    18: Rod Stewart - Get Back
    19: 10CC - Things We Do For Love
    20: Billy Ocean - Stop Me (If You've Heard it All Before)


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    Some absolutely brilliant music was released this year, for my ears anyways. All these albums were 10/10 for me, enjoyed the p!ss out of them I did. If I was relying on advert driven, mainstream corporate chart radio to introduce me to these works I'd have missed out on the enjoyment bigtime. That's the thing about this notion "All Today's music is $hit", that's like saying "All Today's TV dramas shows are $hit" when all your doing is watching two bad TV shows on two poor TV channels and ignoring everything else.
    Anyways here is what I did and still am enjoying. Somebody here mentioned they like modern movie soundtracks yesterday? They should check out that Heurco S LP, I'd say they'd really enjoy it.

    1991 - No More Dreams
    Andy Stott - Too Many Voices
    Demdike Stare - Wonderland
    Konx-om-Pax - Caramel
    Danny Brown - Atrocity Exhibition
    Klara Lewis - Too
    Jessy Lanza - Oh No
    Swans - Glowing Man
    Kendrick Lamar - Untitled Unmastered
    Rashad Becker - Trad. Music of Notional Species Vol.2
    Radiohead - A Moon Shaped Pool
    Equiknoxx - Bird Sound Power
    Huerco S.- For those of you who have never (And also those who have)
    Death Grips - Bottomless Pit
    Aphex Twin - Cheetah EP

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,452 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    darkdubh wrote: »
    The charts now are dominated by either R & B,watered down hip hop or else very tame "indie" bands like Coldplay. I find it's the vocal style of a lot of these acts that I can't take. Everyone singing in this generic attempt at black American soul and all sounding exactly the same.
    From some casual overhearing of what the kids are listening to, I think you're right about R&B dominating. There seems to be very little bubble-gum pop out there, the kind of crap that dominated the charts 20 years ago.

    I also notice that the kids don't seem to recognise or follow artists in the way that we used to. When I ask 'who's that', they generally don't know, and have to check Spotify to find out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I presume there is still just as much good music being produced and I've just become an old curmudgeon. You see, the kids these days, they listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage. With the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin', they don't know what the jazz is all about. Y'see, jazz is like Jello pudding... no, that's not it. Jazz is like Kodak film... no, that's not right neither. I've got it, jazz is like the new Coke - it'll be around forever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I always laugh when some idiot creates a thread like this.
    To start with i be one of these and being honest i am not informed now as the source of information i used not there to the same extent.
    I am hoping that someone on here will give me ideas of what good serious music is out there, one person earlier gave examples but for me music is just that and i find the attached video is a distraction and sometimes think it is the music is attached to the video.

    We had two brilliant informed people with rte John Kelly "the mystery train" (now lyric i know) before that there was Dave Fanning who did a few different night slots which names don't come to mind.
    Fanning then got morning radio slot as a "filler in" which i loved but obviously the heads at rte not like his style.
    Both of these guys also did tv work especially Kelly as i think Fanning was more to do with films on that stint.
    I like everyone have my own tastes but it was great to have a serious informed person to get update information.

    I still buy cds and at the moment have 3 in jumble dylan desire, costello bedroom and linda ronstadt not sure which name too lazy to look.

    rant over..


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    Lads, "the charts" and "the radio" stopped being relevant two decades ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Truckermal




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,905 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    I think the excuse that there is plenty of great music out there that is not getting noticed is ridiculous. The cream always rises to the top.

    Simply not true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Billy86 wrote: »
    The top 20 this time 20 years ago:
    1: Spice Girls - 2 Become 1
    2: Toni Braxton - Unbreak My Heart
    3: Dunblane - Knockin' on Heaven's Door
    4: Robert Miles - One & One
    5: Madonna - Don't Cry For Me Argentina
    6: Prodigy - Breathe
    7: Boyzone - A Different Beat
    8: Mark Morrison - Horny
    9: Celine Dion - All By Myself
    10: Woolpackers - Hillbilly Rock Hillbilly Roll
    11: Damage - Forever
    12: Beautiful South - Don't Marry Her
    13: East 17 - If You Ever
    14: Spice Girls - Say You'll Be There
    15: Whitney Houston - Step by Step
    16: 3T - I Need You
    17: Jamiroquai - Cosmic Girl
    18: Warren G - What's Love Got To Do With It
    19: Smurfs - A Christmas Wish
    20: Faithless - Salva Mea

    I can't believe Prodigy is 20 years old now. Jasus I feel old.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    I can't believe Prodigy is 20 years old now. Jasus I feel old.

    Over 25 years old actually :p - I some of my earliest memories of MTV are Out of Space, Smells Like Teen Spirit, Killing in the Name of, oh maybe a bit more randomly and Stiltskin - Inside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuTVKO0RScI


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,465 ✭✭✭Anesthetize


    I think the excuse that there is plenty of great music out there that is not getting noticed is ridiculous. The cream always rises to the top.
    Can you give some examples?
    I'm still waiting on this one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I think the excuse that there is plenty of great music out there that is not getting noticed is ridiculous. The cream always rises to the top.

    Well tell us where its at? i am looking and will buy if i like it...


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    Regards what the OP said in his opening post.....

    I was watching Jools Holland New Year Hootenannywhateveryoumacallit last night and it was absolutely dreadful. And for me Jools Holland along with maybe Other Voices have been the only source for hearing new, somewhat skilful music on the TV over the last maybe 10 years whether it be mainstream rock or alternative or folk. Now fair enough I left the room for a few minutes here and there so I missed small segments but when I'd come back there would be some crusty 60 or 70 year old, mutton dressed up as lamb, being interviewed or giving a rendition of some rubbish forgettable song using a very expensive guitar and a whole host of backing singers that added nothing to the experience except expense on the part of the show. For me it was diabolical and sad to see the biggest music show in Britain/Ireland could only organize a few washed up musicians or a few yes men that kiss Jools Hollands hole for the big new years event organized by the BBC.

    I watched it last year and it was pretty decent. James Bay singing Hold Back the River and Hozier Take Me to Church but that seems to be an exception to the rule. And as far as I've heard from listening to their music, they were only one off really strong songs from each artist.

    I really only started listening to music as a teenager in 1995 so I completely missed the excitement that came with the band Nirvana but I still remember being blown away by the music when I finally started listening to album after album of brilliant music and the culture around the band even after the band no longer existed. And there was also a sort of hysteria over bands like Blur and Oasis who, although now might not stand up as masters of the rock genre, still created great albums and music over a few years.

    And can you actually imagine a band these days or any musician creating an album like The Smashing Pumpkins "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness"? A double album of exceptional music. There isn't a bad or even an average song on it. The worst song on the album was the one that was the hit single "1979".

    There has been some exceptions the last few years. I think some of And So I Watch You from Afar's music is up there with the best music ever made. Exceptional guitar work and amazing sound, particularly some of their earlier stuff. But they are the exception in terms of bands that have generated even a handful of brilliant songs.

    Whats the problem these days? Well I was in the Sound Shop in Drogheda buying a new guitar a few months ago and the guy running the store told me that you couldn't give a bass guitar away. No bass guitars being sold then probably a sign that kids are just not as into learning to play instruments. They have a lot of other competing interests like computer games. Also kids seem to get a lot more opportunities these days and their happiness is catered for a lot more. Is teenage angst what it was? There doesn't seem to be that chip on the shoulder that a lot of the best bands like Nirvana and Metallica had. Anyone else look at bands these days and think they're a bit too nice and happy also with functional lives. All good presumably for them and their happiness but where are the bands or musicians like the Beetles or Nirvana off their trollies on drugs and drink. I mean like the last song I heard a band write where they were off their trollies on drugs was "Radio/Video" by System of a Down. So I recommend more teenage angst and lots and lots of unhappiness and drug taking.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    I can't believe Prodigy is 20 years old now. Jasus I feel old.

    Were, are you still a fan of 'The Prodigy'?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    buried wrote: »
    Were, are you still a fan of 'The Prodigy'?

    Not really. I listened to them during my raving days but I always preferred Culture Beat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    Not really. I listened to them during my raving days but I always preferred Culture Beat.

    Liam Howlett was a genius back in the day. How he created 'Voodoo People', absolute magic. And it is genius, very hard to make sample based electronic funk. Loads of artists still do it today too to the same degree. 'RP BOO' is one of those artists, you should check him out.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Duck Soup wrote: »
    Talk to any old farts and they'll tell you about the absolute centrality of music when we growing up. Not just that it was important - it still is to a lot of young people - but it was the absolute hub of youth culture. You talked about it, spent most of your money on it, were defined by what type of music you followed.

    There used to be 3 rock music papers: New Musical Express, Melody Maker and Sounds. If you didn't get down to the newsagents by 9am, all the copies of the NME would be gone. If you got there at 10am, Sounds would be sold out and there'd only be Melody Maker left. After 11am, they'd all be sold out. Sometimes I'd be outside the newsagents at 7am when it opened and I'd be one of 4 or 5 other obsessives.

    And a lot of people were in bands. You bought your Les Paul or Strat copy and scratched your records to buggery learning the songs by listening to the LPs.

    Music simply doesn't have that all-consuming primacy any more; there isn't the level of engagement and the talent pool is smaller. Young creative people are pursuing other avenues and it shows in popular music.


    You think this isn't happening any more?

    All I see in this thread is old people who've simply moved on with their lives and are out of touch. Nothing wrong with that, but it simply means the understanding of how things are is outdated.

    I reckon no one posting in this thread is hanging out with the young people who are creating music today. They're there, working away, whether anyone notices or not.

    I might as well add, nostalgia is an absolute poison.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,985 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Regards what the OP said in his opening post.....

    .

    Great post unedumacated.

    Was just thinking about the likes of Ok Computer - like it was a serious amount of time to get into that album for some . Well for me.

    Now it has about 3 or 4 of my favourite songs ever - and was listening to it last year thinking - technically this was what, 20 years ahead of its time , sounds , layers etc.

    Like first song off the bat



    You first hear song and is he talking about a car crash ? - then you can't understand what he is saying - then you listen and listen - then you can't even look up lyrics - then you try find lyrics inside a crazy sleeve of art work that you have never seen.


    Then song 2, Paranoid Android - what the hell is this.

    You nearly get the impression that Yorke knew the technological age and time of image and computers and TV was changing reality - he was so right.

    We almost need an Ok Computer now.

    But there is a massive aspect of attention span - there are so many quick fixes now - be it phone , internet , a forum - and we are all part of that generation , we are on an internet forum sharing views that are not important.

    I think we are underestimating that amount of time people spend in front of technology.

    If anyone tries to actually learn an instrument - then actually get good at it - in fact get good at anything , the time you need to spend at it is incredible

    The like of Thom Yorke and Liam Howlet and Billy Corgan (Some just mentioned) - their music was their life, their instagram , their Facebook , their whatsapp - they would have had to be basically nerds in a room doing it again and again and again - the famous 10,000 hours. It is very very hard and takes time to be that good.

    That is why despite his daft young audience, I know he is not in same league as above, I like to see the likes of Ed Sheeran , who clearly is a very very dedicated musician and has put hours and hours into his craft. Good for these kids to see , Jesus to play even that well and make a song like that actually takes serious effort.

    So not sure things are going to change - it definelety has to be a good tune and I'd also be self critical and say we all have changed and are very easliy looking for quick entertaining fixes.

    I'm not sure OK Computer would get the time off me these days.

    Tom was right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,918 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Not to go all "BACK IN MY DAAAAY!" but whenever I hear some of what's popular today I get a little sad.

    It's all a bit shït, for one. I find it's rather repetitive, seemingly always about the same subject. And always one genre... fake voices and synth instruments. What gives?

    Music today is basically repeat of music from the past. Very little original comes out now I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭tigerboon


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Just took a glance out of interest, based on the UK since I doubt you'd be able to find the archives for Ireland.

    Not sure if I should be depressed that I remember the ones 30 years ago or delighted I don't remember 40...adding to the conversation however.. the whole Mariah Carey thing last night shows the problem. Don't risk a note being off..mime to the Autotuned recordings so everything is perfection.
    Some of the best recordings from years ago were live recordings or demos. The studio version was crap. Rhiannon by Fleetwood Mac a perfect example. Album version is over produced and mediocre and live (at the time) brilliant. Autotune back then came by the gramme


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭babi-hrse


    Ha it has been for the last 15 years.
    We used to have many artists that were solid now they all seem to be retired or really mellowing out. Red hot chilli peppers have gone downhill since they got off the drugs.
    The girlfriend is my only link to modern music when I watch it I have the subtitles on as I havnt got a clue what the lyrics are at with all the synthetic and delays on their voices.
    Never heard/read such crap. I've sang better sentences into a hairdryer. There was one song about cake and wanting cake.
    Then what the **** was that with gangnam style.
    There was some godawful Romanian song mya hee
    I make an exception for John legend that was decent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭metaoblivia


    It's hard to say because I think the way we consume music has changed significantly. The listener has to take a more proactive role in finding what they like because the cream isn't necessarily rising to the top on popular radio. But we have platforms like satellite radio, soundcloud, youtube, itunes, etc, and there's a lot of music to be found there. I've found new music that I love, and I'm a trained operatic mezzo soprano, so I'm a bit of music snob when it comes to things like actually having vocal talent and being able to perform live. But you would hear absolutely none of it on popular radio or the top 40.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Music today is basically repeat of music from the past. Very little original comes out now I think.

    None of it has ever been truly original. It's always based on something else. Originality is kind of a tricky criterion with which to judge the value of music, i.e it's not particularly useful.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    I think the excuse that there is plenty of great music out there that is not getting noticed is ridiculous. The cream always rises to the top.
    Can you give some examples?
    I'm still waiting on this one.
    You want me to give you examples of the great music not being produced? Are you simple?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,465 ✭✭✭Anesthetize


    You want me to give you examples of the great music not being produced? Are you simple?
    I hope you don't mean that as an insult. Can you give some examples of the cream rising to the top? Because it sure as hell has never been that way when it comes to music.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Rainman16


    There's still good music out there, but you have to step away from the Beiber/Drake/Rihanna mainstream garbage.

    Explore different styles of music, different genres. One of the better new bands out there coming with something completely different and unique is Babymetal.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭Ralf and Florian


    buried wrote: »
    Some absolutely brilliant music was released this year, for my ears anyways. All these albums were 10/10 for me, enjoyed the p!ss out of them I did. If I was relying on advert driven, mainstream corporate chart radio to introduce me to these works I'd have missed out on the enjoyment bigtime. That's the thing about this notion "All Today's music is $hit", that's like saying "All Today's TV dramas shows are $hit" when all your doing is watching two bad TV shows on two poor TV channels and ignoring everything else.
    Anyways here is what I did and still am enjoying. Somebody here mentioned they like modern movie soundtracks yesterday? They should check out that Heurco S LP, I'd say they'd really enjoy it.

    1991 - No More Dreams
    Andy Stott - Too Many Voices
    Demdike Stare - Wonderland
    Konx-om-Pax - Caramel
    Danny Brown - Atrocity Exhibition
    Klara Lewis - Too
    Jessy Lanza - Oh No
    Swans - Glowing Man
    Kendrick Lamar - Untitled Unmastered
    Rashad Becker - Trad. Music of Notional Species Vol.2
    Radiohead - A Moon Shaped Pool
    Equiknoxx - Bird Sound Power
    Huerco S.- For those of you who have never (And also those who have)
    Death Grips - Bottomless Pit
    Aphex Twin - Cheetah EP

    I'd agree with most of those choices but it's telling that many of the best albums of 2016 are from acts who've been around since the 90's and in the case of Swans the early 80's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Since there is already 130 posts on this and i have not noticed anyone saying this is a good new band or a good new album released i will have to say that it is likely the original poster must be correct.
    I am completely open minded and unfortunately i thought it was out there and i was looking in the wrong place.
    There is loads of new trad/folk type new acts out there and though some of it is fine of 500 cds i have not much more than 10 (excluding bob D)
    Also the americian country/blues scene doing ok but not much ii can see happening around here.
    There must be good new bands in Dublin...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,905 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Since there is already 130 posts on this and i have not noticed anyone saying this is a good new band or a good new album released i will have to say that it is likely the original poster must be correct.
    I am completely open minded and unfortunately i thought it was out there and i was looking in the wrong place.
    There is loads of new trad/folk type new acts out there and though some of it is fine of 500 cds i have not much more than 10 (excluding bob D)
    Also the americian country/blues scene doing ok but not much ii can see happening around here.
    There must be good new bands in Dublin...

    Some of the modern stuff I like includes Tame Impala, Deerhunter, Mick Flannery, Kendrick Lamarr, Temples, Wooden Shjips, And So I Watch You From Afar, Japandroids, Yuck, The Joy Formidable, Fionn Regan, Joanna Newsom, Dumbo Gets Mad, Frank Ocean, Deafheaven, Mastodon, Julia Holter, Beach House, Tim Hecker, Neon Indian, Mac Demarco, St. Vincent, Fidlar, Ty Segall, Fucked Up, F*ck Buttons, No Joy, Jagwar Ma, Savages, Splashh, Unknown Mortal Orchestra, Kurt Vile, Youth Lagoon, Moon Duo, Cate Le Bon, Six Organs Of Admittance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    The music industry's response: "No, you're sh*t"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Suas11 wrote: »
    Some of the modern stuff I like includes Tame Impala, Deerhunter, Mick Flannery, Kendrick Lamarr, Temples, Wooden Shjips, And So I Watch You From Afar, Japandroids, Yuck, The Joy Formidable, Fionn Regan, Joanna Newsom, Dumbo Gets Mad, Frank Ocean, Deafheaven, Mastodon, Julia Holter, Beach House, Tim Hecker, Neon Indian, Mac Demarco, St. Vincent, Fidlar, Ty Segall, Fucked Up, F*ck Buttons, No Joy, Jagwar Ma, Savages, Splashh, Unknown Mortal Orchestra, Kurt Vile, Youth Lagoon, Moon Duo, Cate Le Bon, Six Organs Of Admittance

    Thanks for that i listened to a few but a bit tame for my taste but if that's what people like its ok by me.
    I used to say some of the stuff on tv rubbish, then i realized most people were watching this celeb stuff so i must be out of touch.
    If you don't mind which would be the most rock 6 or so, it will wreck my head to go through them all.

    many thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,905 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Thanks for that i listened to a few but a bit tame for my taste but if that's what people like its ok by me.
    I used to say some of the stuff on tv rubbish, then i realized most people were watching this celeb stuff so i must be out of touch.
    If you don't mind which would be the most rock 6 or so, it will wreck my head to go through them all.

    many thanks

    Tame Impala, Unknown Mortal Orchestra, Temples = psychedelic
    Japandroids = garage rock
    Yuck = sound like early 90s alt rock (check out their debut album)
    The Joy Formidable = shoegazing (again their debut is the best)
    And So I Watch You From Afar = instrumental post-rock/math rock
    Deerhunter = mix of stuff from shoegaze to garage rock

    Also, if you like metal you should definitely listen to Mastodon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    The whole pop scene is tired, played out, every combination of notes, riffs and melodies seem to have been covered, hence it's hard to experience something that seems new and fresh. Something completely new has to come along but it's hard to see how at the moment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 464 ✭✭Goya


    I always laugh when some idiot creates a thread like this.
    Why the saltiness and lack of elaboration?

    It's in reference to commercial/chart/pop/daytime radio music - not music outside of that, of which there will of course always be much quality stuff.

    But while I've loved the less mainstream side of things since I was about 12, I also love a good pop song, and the days of good pop songs or decent acts managing to get into the top ten seem to be gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    Noveight wrote: »
    Depends on your taste, but there's loads of good stuff being produced that doesn't make the top 40, or top 100 for that matter. Just takes some effort to root through Nikki Minaj and Arianna Grande wannabe's singing about arse shaking.
    While I agree with your sentiment, the example of 'good' music you gave is fairly bland.
    It's of a slightly higher caliber but not for me. Is there no one around like years ago no? Disturbed, AC/DC, Zeppelin, etc. Have artists in that vein died off?
    I'm sure that are plenty of new dinosaur rock'n'roll bands still around, even though they're not getting into the charts or onto the radio. The internet might be able to help you to find them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Was just thinking about this.

    Even the 'bad' pop songs in the 80s were deadly. Especially compared to today's.
    It's easier now to find great music and new bands. Just gotta look


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,465 ✭✭✭Anesthetize


    Flimpson wrote: »
    Why the saltiness and lack of elaboration?

    It's in reference to commercial/chart/pop/daytime radio music - not music outside of that, of which there will of course always be much quality stuff.

    But while I've loved the less mainstream side of things since I was about 12, I also love a good pop song, and the days of good pop songs or decent acts managing to get into the top ten seem to be gone.
    The issue is that one of these threads seems to come along every two months or so, and it's getting boring. Incredibly boring.

    Unfortunately the thread title does not reflect that it is just in reference to chart/radio music. It would be great if the thread title was more specific to this. Only then would all the older people (who seem to be completely out of touch with music anyway) coming in here moaning about music today being shit have some sort of solid ground to stand on. Yes chart music is a bit shit, it has been for as long as I can remember since I was a kid in the early 90's. But music today as a whole being shit? These people clearly don't make any effort at all when it comes to music.

    I'd rather mods just close these type of threads as they are completely pointless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,638 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    The issue is that one of these threads seems to come along every two months or so, and it's getting boring. Incredibly boring.

    Unfortunately the thread title does not reflect that it is just in reference to chart/radio music. It would be great if the thread title was more specific to this. Only then would all the older people (who seem to be completely out of touch with music anyway) coming in here moaning about music today being shit have some sort of solid ground to stand on. Yes chart music is a bit shit, it has been for as long as I can remember since I was a kid in the early 90's. But music today as a whole being shit? These people clearly don't make any effort at all when it comes to music.

    I'd rather mods just close these type of threads as they are completely pointless.

    To be fair the OP is posing a question, not just flat out claiming it: is it a bit crap these days for decent music? That opens things up for debate between those who disagree and agree. Seems fair enough to discuss it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭GreenFolder2


    mzungu wrote: »
    Apparently Milli Vanilli didn't have a note in their collective heads. Not even autotune that fix that.

    I had just successfully erased them from memory!

    Thanks ....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    I watched top of the pops christmas edition , the music seemed to be all r and b pop, most of the singers were white .But they all sounded like generic black pop singers ,very boring and bland .IF this is the best of british pop music they industry is in a bad way.
    Not one song had a hint of emotion or love or great singing talent.
    I understand singers like rihanna or beiber or drake might not be bothered to appear
    live on british tv.When they can sell millions of cds and get millions of streams
    and views on youtube.
    As in previous post i could see no hint of a classic pop song with good lyrics or a strong melody.
    Theres has always been awful mediocre songs in the charts .It has not been a great year for pop music .
    see Sia she writes beautiful songs with clever lyrics .And she is a fantastic singer.
    Theres still hope for pop music .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 Hollis Hurlbut


    Arghus wrote: »
    To be fair the OP is posing a question, not just flat out claiming it: is it a bit crap these days for decent music? That opens things up for debate between those who disagree and agree. Seems fair enough to discuss it.


    People who are really into music will make the effort to find things more in tune with their tastes - tastes that have developed over years of listening to and playing music.

    The rest will take what their given - the Killers, Kings of Leon etc etc and to them, that will be good enough. Nothing wrong with that.

    Until they go missing for a while and you're left with James Bay and Ed Shearan and an abundance of rubbish pop songs. And then the 'music' is crap to today' thread comes along -from what I've read!

    And it is, because you're no longer being spoon fed decent popular stuff, you have to go the extra mile and find similar music, perhaps from lesser known bands or bands that are only on the up. But they won't, because, they're just not that into it.

    Is music today crap? Yes if you're the latter, no if you're the former. Simple. No debate to be had. Look a bit closer to home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    These threads always wind up the same.

    - Attack on X factor/Bieber/Rihanna.
    - "Plenty of good music, you have to know where to look".
    - List of bands nobody's ever heard of.
    - Every generation says the previous generation was better.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 417 ✭✭Wolf Club


    Using 2016 as a reference, you'd have to say that pop and rock have taken a bit of a back seat, as hip hop and r&b were very much to the fore. Fair enough, it was a great year for Radiohead, a superb final album from Bowie, but those are hardly new acts. There may have been some pop stuff that I'm not aware of, but I can't think of any rock albums that made any sort of an impact last year, other than the 2 above.

    Frank Ocean, Solange, Kanye, Beyonce and Chance the Rapper were the artists that made the biggest impression in 2016 (I'm not saying they'd be my favourites, by any means, but they certainly had the biggest impact). A lot of people despise rap and r&b, and would disregard those acts from the outset, without ever listening to them. I think that's the biggest factor in making people think that all contemporary music is ****.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    Its the same as it always was.

    If you are complaining that the music you hear on the radio and on the music channels is dogbed today, it was ever thus.

    There is great music still being made, you just have to look for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Omackeral wrote: »
    These threads always wind up the same.

    - Attack on X factor/Bieber/Rihanna.
    - "Plenty of good music, you have to know where to look".
    - List of bands nobody's ever heard of.
    - Every generation says the previous generation was better.

    Literally an hour later....
    Glenster wrote: »
    Its the same as it always was.

    If you are complaining that the music you hear on the radio and on the music channels is dogbed today, it was ever thus.

    There is great music still being made, you just have to look for it.




    :P:P:P


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,905 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Omackeral wrote: »
    - List of bands nobody's ever heard of.

    Just because you've never heard of a band, doesn't mean that "nobody" else has.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Mr. FoggPatches


    Everything's sh1te since Roy Orbison died.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,580 ✭✭✭Thundercats Ho


    Loads of good music being made. Give these a listen 8Radio / 2XM / BBC6Music.
    Even the likes of Paul McLoone or John Creedon on Today FM / RTE1 play great new music.

    Loads of sh1te music being made too, most of it pop music, but that's not what i'm into so it's subjective.


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