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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Commentators criticising Root and his captaincy, quite rightly…setting the field for bad shots as opposed to trying to set the field to bring a press and force a wicket… England with a lead of 293 on day 3 should have an ultra aggressive field set. But… No short leg, no silly mid on, laughable captaincy, England basically cannot lose this test… there isn’t enough time for the West Indians to polish off this lead of England’s, declare, bowl England out again and chase whatever will be set….

    West Indians scratching through at 2.3 runs an over, tedious. Put some fûcking close catchers in there Joe and make a go to get a wicket, make it happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Mahmood takes a wicket with a sublime yorker or so he thinks, his ankle is 3 inches over the popping crease… no ball ! when it’s not going for you…the replay of the celebration turned to disappointment tells it all. Bowler, captain, vice captain… hearts sinking..

    agro now, a lot of verbals plus bowler and batsman squaring up in the middle of the pitch, you don’t see this often, properly aggressive,.. haha got some sympathy with the England lads, WI batsmen saying plenty and being aggressive , nothing said, but when the England lads returned fire the umpires step in.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Watching India vs Australia woman’s match. Elyse Perry bowled a 12 ball over by my count costing 16 runs….10 of those runs were wides…


    Be the top ten longest overs in world cricket is my guess… longest and most expensive ..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    India got up to 277/7 including 24 wides, the over referred to in the video was bowled by an opening batsman to attempt to revive a game that was heading for a dull draw, when you mentioned long overs, I thought of tearaway fast bowlers, and a name that came to mind was Patterson Thompson who played 2 tests for West Indies around 1990, I looked it up and he bowled 22 no balls on debut, and on the cricinfo website his profile says he made Devon Malcolm look like a metronome 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    The slim hopes for an England victory seem to have dissipated. Some innings by Braithwaite. The first two tests not a great advert for test cricket.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    A draw is really the only possible result, 1/6 one of the online bookies have it….

    in hindsight after the big opening innings scoring by England they’ll be disappointed that West Indies got so close to them. England batted too long… far too conservative declaration.

    Root went with a majorly attacking field for Leach but seemingly not bothered to offer his pace men anything like that support… he must think a short leg is something that gives you a limp, as opposed to enabling catches and wickets.

    hopefully England throws the kitchen sink at the West Indies and declare about 30 minutes after lunch…I’d bet though handshakes will decide this one.. don’t imagine Mr Adventurous Joe would contemplate anything else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You’d wonder why England decided to score at 2.6 runs an over… I’m not saying that they should have gone out in one day mode but fûck, needed to be more positive even if it meant going in two wickets down 75/2…is infinitely better then 40/0 in this scenario. It’s going to be a draw but I’d like to see the batting lineup…

    3- Stokes

    4- Bairstow

    5/6 or 6/5 - Lawrence / Root

    give it a proper go till lunch

    not going to happen as Stokes is pictured in a vest and shorts on the balcony having a drink.

    Lees goes trying his first aggressive shot of the day and is caught 5 meters from the boundary…here comes Joe… he’s probably been practicing his handshake 🤝 excited at the prospect of said handshake at 3.50 local time.. “ it was a nice few days and both sides can take a lot of positives from the test “

    Though I might be wrong, both start to tee off , Root smashes a boundary and is out next ball,

    crawley gone, be interesting to see if England press on or shut down to ensure the draw.

    Root and Englands tactics are bamboozling Mark Butcher , he sounds perplexed, cant at all work out what Joe Root is up to barring looking for a draw.

    England declare at this late stage.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    What are the Windies at here? It's Leech and Mahmood, hardly difficult prospects to navigate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    prob too risky to chase the win. Can’t go into tea on day 5, 5 down… door would be opened for England…West Indies have 7 wickets, 50 overs remaining… Root realizing that only two results are seriously possible, England win or draw… WI playing for the draw. 4.9 required…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    5.65 now required and West Indians making no effort beyond blocking and punishing the odd wide one.

    according to Mark Butcher…

    play finished early last night as the umpires forgot to request the floodlights were turned on.

    takes 20 minutes for them from being powered up to be ready and effective….

    that’s what you are up against in this sport now…ffs.

    two standing umpires, third umpire, and match referee… four goons who between them, having to be aware of the light, checking it… but nobody thought about getting lights turned on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    That's embarrassing by Holder! He's just so inconsistent. Braithwaite just needs someone to stand up and build a partnership with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    “One mistake Joe, just one mistake” can be heard by an enthusiastic close catcher….. “ just one brilliant delivery” I thought might be more encouraging ? … either way, Joes next delivery is wayward, down leg side and swept for four.

    15 overs remaining, looking like a lost cause for England.

    butcher chirping in criticising the late declaration by Root.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Braithwaite finally got a partner who stuck with him and these two have managed to see out the final 25+ overs - just a few mins left now. Braithwaite should get player of the match, some effort by him.

    Loved Braithwaite contemptuously laughing at that appeal by England, never out!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Root was obviously too conservative with the declaration but throwing out Lees and Crawley to open the bat was a bad call too. The 2 guys are playing for their place/careers. They were never going to go out and start hitting the ball. Everyone else pretty much went a run a ball, but their places are pretty safe.

    Root should have sent Bairstow and Woakes out to start hitting straight away. Make Brathwaite put the field back to defend the draw. Then set them a similar target but with more overs.

    When I mention that Lees and Crawley were playing for their places/careers, it also be noted that Root is playing for his captaincy. Which again will hamper decision making. So Roots uncertainty as captain is becoming hamperous to the team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Brathwaite and De Silva looked comfortable for another hour so doubt it really mattered. After nearly 190 overs in the field it's about consolidating your position rather than being funky/reckless with the batting order, being none down at the end of day 4 was a good position. Brathwaite and the pitch were just too good regardless I think.

    Team selection is where I'm more critical. Woakes away from home generally and especially in his current form is playing with ten men. Leach has beem commendable nothing more so why not look at someone else. Been crying out for a leg spinner in both games and their exciting prospect is sat on the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Root has had the captaincy for 5 years… the same style of captaincy prevails…being constantly cautious over cleverly venturesome…. Way too negative…

    give Ben Stokes a go…. Nothing to lose…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,159 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    If Ben Stokes wanted the job I'd imagine he'd have it already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Stokes had a game as captain, at home to the West Indies and lost it but more importantly said he didn't enjoy it. Can't make someone do it. At the end of the day, he would have had the same talent shortcomings to deal with. No amount of captaincy nous will get you out of 30-3 holes and small first innings totals and limited bowling options especially spinner wise. It's not as if he isn't heavily involved in the running of that team anyway.

    Any optimism there for a result in the third Pakistan Australia game? Pakistan are 90-1 at the end of day 2 in reply to Australia's 391. No hundred for Smith again, duck for Labuschagne again. Khawaja out in the 90s again. Green and Carey played well to get them towards 400. Four wickets a piece for Afridi and Shah.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    Cummins and Starc are blowing through the Pakistan order. That long tail for Pakistan is truly backfiring now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Bangladesh beat South Africa with 141 runs to spare, a 9 wicket victory a 2-1 series win…

    South Africans bowled out in 37 overs…

    Bangladesh only loose that single wicket in the chase. Haven’t beaten SA, hammered them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    He’s already vice captain which would indicate he’s perceived to have leadership qualities and active in a leadership position in the side.

    he has captained the one day side on a couple of occasions so he’s in the mix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Some collapse by Pakistan, 170/1 to 268 all out. With two days left and a lead of 134 and 10 wickets in hand, will Australia finally get the win?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I’d guess, weather is pretty perfect according to the forecast… 0%-2% chance of rain pretty much for the remaining days.

    Australia will want a lead of about 350 and then look to give themselves 100-110 overs to bowl Pakistan out, least that’s my guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Bangladesh beat South Africa by nine wickets with 24 overs to spare to win their first ODI series in South Africa. It was a strong side by South Africa too with De Koch, Miller, Rabada.

    England have named their team for tomorrow, Woakes for some reason plays and they drop Fisher for Overton. And of course no Parkinson. I hope they lose by an innings for being so bland and boring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    The persistence with Woakes is a bit baffling, they know what he can do, and he's never performed at the same level outside England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Khawaja has a ton in the second innings, he has really played well since his recall, Australia lead by 327 now, 8 wickets in hand, probably looking at a 400 run lead before a declaration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Some run of form for Khawaja, delivering now on an earlier promise he never fulfilled. Pakistan set 351 to win, Australia favourites but wouldn't bet against Pakistan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Abadan Raza gives Imam Ul Haq out caught behind off Nathan Lyon..

    Reviewed by the batsman… by my estimation about a 4-5 inch gap between bat and ball. Wtf… Ball nowhere near the bat. The clown obviously just influenced by the veracity of the appeal around him… he looks confused, takes an age to raise the finger but raise it he does… DRS makes an outright eejit of him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭boccy23


    i wonder whether they should look again at the number of reviews based on some very dubious umpiring decisions over the last few years?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Khawaja has been outstanding since his return. To think Marcus Harris was keeping him out of the team. Levels above the likes of him.

    Pakistan are in with a shout tomorrow are they? A shade over 3 runs an over needed? Not been watching it just looking at the scorecard it seems flat. Australia lost just three wickets in their second innings and Pakistan none in 27 overs so far. Pat Cummins has made it an interesting game now with that declaration.



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    It would be nice to see Pakistan get the win, although this Aussie team has become somewhat more likeable since Wade was cancelled. Only problem would be the abuse that Cummins would probably get from his own country's supporters.



    Meantime in Grenada, the Windies have inserted England. Will Lees crawl to 17* by lunchtime, or will he be gone before the sun passes the yard arm?


    EDIT: Oh dear! Crawley beat him back to the changing room!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    There are now 3 DRS reviews available to each team per innings… The ICC put this down to less experienced local, non neutral umpires taking charge of matches since the pandemic due to increased risks for and from travel etc…

    my estimation is that this will last beyond the pandemic… there will be a call for it to. It was two before this.

    the standard of umpiring though even at top level is piss poor these days. Shockingly bad.

    I can’t find the most up to date numbers.

    but in 2016… 32% of DRS referrals showed the decision being incorrect and having to be overturned.

    32 matches and 32% were overturned.

    It says something when the most critical decision an umpire can make in the sport, is wrong almost 1 in 3 decisions which they try and make…a third of the time they are wrong.

    bowlers bowl faster and that’s certainly a mitigating factor… but the integrity of the sport is dependent on how it is umpired….the umpires performance….



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    One significant umpiring improvement is that no balls are far more likely to be called now that it's left to the third umpire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    The West Indies picking a side without a spinner shows that this pitch has a good bit going for it and the England openers began well before Crawley hit a poor shot straight to Braithwaite.

    Crawley is a good talent but his eyes light up too many times and out comes the booming drive when the field is hoping for that exact shot. Also feel with him that he likes to feel bat on ball too much and as an opener you should just let the ball go as much as you can and then cash in when batting conditions are a little easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Already looking like a more interesting test than the first two. England 30/2 with Root out for 0!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    Normal service resumed by the English batting lineup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    This is some collapse! They really do struggle on pitches that offer anything the bowlers.



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    Egg on my face after Lees top scores for England with 31 from 97 balls! 😒 (But I still don't believe that he's a test level batsman.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    4 out of 10 English batsmen acquire a score in double figures.

    3 out of those 4 are bowlers

    30/2 to 112/8



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    4 runs taken by England from their last 33 deliveries….

    37 overs remain in the day but it’s unlikely they’ll get through all of those id imagine.

    probably unlikely England will still be batting come the close of play … certainly won’t now as Woakes gets done by a good fullish second ball after tea…he misses out on easy runs the previous delivery that Seales dragged down leg side…

    the England scorecard is pathetic.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    The last 2 overs before tea were gentle lobs from Bonner and Blackwood and instead of attacking them, Woakes and Leach just batted for tea with basic forward defence. Not sure why as the batting was hardly going to get any easier. They should have tried to whack them out of the ground as every run matters on a pitch like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭SeeMoreBut


    Mayers 5 overs 5 maidens 2 wickets. Not bad. I guess Holder doesn't want to ruin his figures



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Poor enough by the WI in the last hour or so, the efforts of earlier are probably taking their toll but they haven't looked overly threatening. Leach and Mahmood have looked comfortable enough...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    This is rubbish by the WI, and really valuable runs for England



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    80 runs for a 10th wicket partnership is very decent… but poor from the West Indies they look leggy out there…

    Numbers 10 & 11 and bowling two part timers like Nkrumah Bonner ??? AND Kraigg Braithwaite ???….The hell is that all about ? Absolutely mindless captaincy, brain dead…. Your seamers are wrecked ? Well bowl them, get that final wicket, everyone gets a rest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Agree, Braithwaite's captaincy has been poor in last few hours, he was off the pitch getting instructions. No pressure on the batsmen, no one around the bat..boundaries coming now with the new ball..

    The only thing the WI can cling too is that if two tailenders can bat like this surely their top order can get runs.



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    At this point it might be wiser of WI to leave the tailenders in until stumps, rather than have to bat for a few overs and risk losing a few cheap wickets.

    So Joe should declare on the basis that the Windies don't want to bat tonight!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Declare when you have less then 200 runs on the board….not sure Joe will go that way.

    90/8 - 200/9 is some recovery..Lazarus be proud of that.

    Joseph bowls it about a meter and a half down leg stump, no wide called… circus level umpiring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Hard luck to Mahmood there, thoroughly deserved a 50...WI will be delighted to get that final wicket but they were terrible in the evening session.



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    I don't think he will either - but he should.

    Too late now anyway!



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