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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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    #4682
    Donegal Storm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    The IAA and anna.aero publish stats though they're usually further behind daa's monthly press release. Bubbalo on the skyscrapercity aviation forum is probably the best source out there for stats though again he's usually a couple of months behind


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    #4683
    [Deleted User]
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    That's my suspicion as well.

    The figures must be somewhere even if they don't want to publicly acknowledge them? :confused:

    So conspiracy theories start just because they are late for one month. The daa aren’t going to cover up a fact. Why wouldn’t they want to publicly acknowledge a negative ? Also there is no reason that would suggest a negative by the way. Only Norwegian has stopped and Hainan numbers were terrible anyway.


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    #4684
    Kev11491
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭Kev11491


    "New September record as @DublinAirport welcomes 3 million passengers, a 4% inc on last year. Almost 25.5 million passengers have travelled in first nine months of the year & we have welcomed an extra 1.3 million passengers during that time."

    I guess that answers that.


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    #4685
    sparrowcar
    Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭sparrowcar


    Kev11491 wrote: »
    "New September record as @DublinAirport welcomes 3 million passengers, a 4% inc on last year. Almost 25.5 million passengers have travelled in first nine months of the year & we have welcomed an extra 1.3 million passengers during that time."

    I guess that answers that.

    As per kev's post above.

    Link below if anyone wants actual proof, some may need to remove their tin hats to read.

    https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2019/10/22/new-september-record-as-dublin-airport-welcomes-3-million-passengers


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    #4686
    lapua20grain
    Registered Users Posts: 821 ✭✭✭lapua20grain


    Took this yesterday the new runway is really taking shape.


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    #4687
    IngazZagni
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    sparrowcar wrote: »
    As per kev's post above.

    Link below if anyone wants actual proof, some may need to remove their tin hats to read.

    https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2019/10/22/new-september-record-as-dublin-airport-welcomes-3-million-passengers

    This is a discussion forum and I’m glad to be wrong! Very good growth for Dublin. Keep in mind that a 4% increase now could the same as 9% rise less than a decade ago making it even more impressive.

    I still think it will be a tough winter though.


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    #4688
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    lapua20grain wrote: »
    Took this yesterday the new runway is really taking shape.

    Really clear where any future terminal should go from that image.


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    #4689
    Elemonator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Elemonator


    Nice photo

    Anyone know what the plans are for the other two runways? I’d imagine 16/34 will out of action for a little while when they finish the middle section of the new runway.

    Is there likely to be an extension to the new runway, 10/28 and 16/34? I’d imagine as a layman that Dublin will grow exponentially and that there was a complaint that the new runway would need to be longer to accommodate fully loaded flights to the Far East. So imagine the same would hold true if Dublin found itself relying on 10/28 for maintenance or 16/34 if there was a crosswind? I seem to remember seeing a blueprint for Dublin from the 1960’s that envisaged two parallel 3,500m runways.


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    #4690
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,887 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    New one is 10L/28R, existing is 10R/28L

    There's room to extend 10R/28L but not sure if they'll bother. Doubt they'll be extending 16/34 tbh, they don't appear to own enough land and why bother when they have not one but two much longer runways? There was a plan for a while to do away with 16/34 once both parallel runways were in use, but they decided to keep it.

    The location of a third terminal may be obvious but DAA don't own the land and the guys who do want to build their own terminal on it and are basically holding DAA to ransom

    Image of the late 60s dual 3500m runways plan - this was posted on DAA's twitter a while back:

    489547.jpg

    Life ain't always empty.



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    #4691
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,032 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Just shows how slow we move with infrastructure in this country, nearly 60 years later and only coming to fruition. Also have no sympathy for people who live in the new flight plan given the length this has been planned and the fact there was a runway running in a similar path in previous years, albeit not recently.


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    #4692
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Honest question to anyone who can answer, but why don't the DAA apply for a CPO on the land? or has this been looked into in the past?

    My understanding is that they can be sought if acquisition of the land its in the public's best interest? Granted, I studied law and should really know the answer myself but I'm drawing a blank!


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    #4693
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,887 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    51 years ago, but yeah. At least they bought the land for the new runway even if it wouldn't be built for decades, pity they didn't do the same for the space between them. Would have been dirt cheap before those gold diggers got their hands on it.

    Life ain't always empty.



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    #4694
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,032 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    51 years ago, but yeah. At least they bought the land for the new runway even if it wouldn't be built for decades, pity they didn't do the same for the space between them. Would have been dirt cheap before those gold diggers got their hands on it.

    Sorry, bad maths.


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    #4695
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Far better off with a competing terminal. Mcevaddy has for more ambitious plans than the daa ever would.


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    #4696
    Elemonator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Elemonator


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    New one is 10L/28R, existing is 10R/28L

    There's room to extend 10R/28L but not sure if they'll bother. Doubt they'll be extending 16/34 tbh, they don't appear to own enough land and why bother when they have not one but two much longer runways? There was a plan for a while to do away with 16/34 once both parallel runways were in use, but they decided to keep it.

    The location of a third terminal may be obvious but DAA don't own the land and the guys who do want to build their own terminal on it and are basically holding DAA to ransom

    Image of the late 60s dual 3500m runways plan - this was posted on DAA's twitter a while back:

    489547.jpg

    Thanks for the information. Can I ask why they wouldn’t bother extending both runways? Say for example 10R/28L was the only runway in operation due to maintenance etc or is it a case that maintenance is scheduled overnight only? I would have thought there would be some plan for 16/34. As I understood it is used for late night landings due to the flight path over rural Dublin.


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    #4697
    L1011
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Far better off with a competing terminal. Mcevaddy has for more ambitious plans than the daa ever would.
    It's a bonkers idea that has basically never been done. There are land lease or public private partnership terminals but never a totally separate one demanding runway access


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    #4698
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Far better off with a competing terminal. Mcevaddy has for more ambitious plans than the daa ever would.

    The satellite terminals that are in the DAA plans seem like a perfectly well thought out idea to me.

    Have you actually sat down and read the detail of them?


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    #4699
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Far better off with a competing terminal. Mcevaddy has for more ambitious plans than the daa ever would.

    Is there any airport in the world where this has been done?


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    #4700
    Blut2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Blut2


    A competing private terminal is an absolutely insane idea. Can you imagine the duplication of resources, and the race-to-the-bottom in customer experience to cut costs, that would happen?

    The land should be CPO'd (for a reasonable farmland, non-speculative, value) and given to the DAA for development. The larger DUB gets the better it is for Ireland as a country, and the DAA have already shown they can run/develop it very well.


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    #4701
    [Deleted User]
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Mcevaddy has for more ambitious plans.

    Based on what ?


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    #4702
    [Deleted User]
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    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    Is there any airport in the world where this has been done?

    A fair few of the airports in the USA have privately owned(by airlines or groups)but I’m not aware of any airport that would have this suggested version. Having said that that’ll probably be why Ross will give it the go ahead.

    Ross/CAR should say NO to any further development east of the airport but say that it’s a yes to the west side plus they will allow an increase in charges to pay for a properly designed expansion.


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    #4703
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Anything the state does or semi state does here , is usually poor. Dublin airport is a joke. The infrastructure is a joke. Two billion for their planned upgrade is a joke.

    I bet mcevaddy would be far more proactive about luring new business!

    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/mcevaddy-in-it-for-the-long-haul-at-dublin-airport-38520367.html

    I read a quote by him a while back , saying how he planned far more ambitious expansion than the daa ever would. If you build a terminal that can handle thirty million , you’d want to be fairly proactive in encouraging new business!


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    #4704
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Blut2 wrote: »
    A competing private terminal is an absolutely insane idea. Can you imagine the duplication of resources, and the race-to-the-bottom in customer experience to cut costs, that would happen?

    The land should be CPO'd (for a reasonable farmland, non-speculative, value) and given to the DAA for development. The larger DUB gets the better it is for Ireland as a country, and the DAA have already shown they can run/develop it very well.
    Customer experience, do you mean like many of the staff in Dublin that would grunt at you if asking a question ? Lots of security lanes closed etc? What resources are duplicated , you’re talking a pittance in the scheme of a project like that and operating a terminal.


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    #4705
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    A quote by a businessman who has no experience in running terminals is worthless.

    It is an incredibly stupid idea pushed by someone with a grudge basically.


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    #4706
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    LXFlyer wrote: »
    The satellite terminals that are in the DAA plans seem like a perfectly well thought out idea to me.

    Have you actually sat down and read the detail of them?

    No i don’t think I have. I just don’t rate the daa at all. Would like to see what mcevaddyvwould do...


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    #4707
    L1011
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    No i don’t think I have. I just don’t rate the daa at all. Would like to see what mcevaddyvwould do...

    You are trusting someone with zero experience when you haven't even got the slightest clue what is actually proposed?

    Why?


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    #4708
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    L1011 wrote: »
    A quote by a businessman who has no experience in running terminals is worthless.

    It is an incredibly stupid idea pushed by someone with a grudge basically.
    He has held onto that land for a long time. He says he has the financial backing for it ...


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    #4709
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    L1011 wrote: »
    You are trusting someone with zero experience when you haven't even got the slightest clue what is actually proposed?

    Why?

    What have daa delivered? Ridiculously short runway. Longer time sitting on the ground in Dublin than some flights you take to the uk. No vision in providing more stands and gates before things went crazy at the airport. The road infrastructure is a joke for that size airport. An airport with nearly 35,000,000 pax this year and not even a rail link to it, that’s outside of their control though admittedly!


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    #4710
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    What have daa delivered?!

    Idbatterim wrote: »
    An airport with nearly 35,000,000 pax this year


    Answered your own question... Its clear someone in the DAA knows what they are doing


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    #4711
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Look at transfer traffic. Dublin perfectly positioned for North America transfers. We handle way less connecting traffic than Helsinki for example...


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