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Given that World War III is starting...

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  • #52
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    John Mongo wrote: »
    The actions of the senior Nazi leadership and the mistake made by a soldier calling in a CAS mission in the Kunduz region aren't even remotely similar.

    Don't be so ridiculous.

    Well, we are talking about the essence of the argument that particular poster made. They are the very same, exactly... hardly ridiculous.


  • #53
    discus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭discus


    John Mongo wrote: »
    The actions of the senior Nazi leadership and the mistake made by a soldier calling in a CAS mission in the Kunduz region aren't even remotely similar.

    Don't be so ridiculous.

    I wonder about the level of reading comprehension in Ireland, is it even on the school curriculum anymore?


  • #54
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,033 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    karma_ wrote: »
    Well, we are talking about the essence of the argument that particular poster made. They are the very same, exactly... hardly ridiculous.
    Are you suggesting that the pilots or gunners of the AC-130 should be courts-martialed, then? If you're going to invoke the "Nuremberg defence", you should at least start with the Wikipedia page about it, here. In particular, the bit about the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court on war crimes, which states:
    1. The fact that a crime within the jurisdiction of the Court has been committed by a person pursuant to an order of a Government or of a superior, whether military or civilian, shall not relieve that person of criminal responsibility unless:

    (a) The person was under a legal obligation to obey orders of the Government or the superior in question;
    (b) The person did not know that the order was unlawful; and
    (c) The order was not manifestly unlawful.

    2. For the purposes of this article, orders to commit genocide or crimes against humanity are manifestly unlawful.
    I'm including article 2 because I would be accused of selective quotation if I didn't - but no, as horrible as the hospital bombing was, it doesn't qualify as genocide or a "crime against humanity".

    So, do you think those in the AC-130 positively knew they were attacking a hospital? I seriously doubt that, meaning they are protected by articles 1(b) and/or (c). If you think they did know, and did it anyway, you're flatly accusing them of war crimes, which is not to be done lightly. How much do you have to hate the USA to assume the worst about them, before we know anything about what happened?

    (On the other hand: regarding those on the ground who provided the information to the CP, and those in the CP who gave the orders - they're going to get books thrown at them.)

    Death has this much to be said for it:
    You don’t have to get out of bed for it.
    Wherever you happen to be
    They bring it to you—free.

    — Kingsley Amis



  • #55
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    bnt wrote: »
    Are you suggesting that the pilots or gunners of the AC-130 should be courts-martialed, then? If you're going to invoke the "Nuremberg defence", you should at least start with the Wikipedia page about it, here. In particular, the bit about the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court on war crimes, which states:

    I'm including article 2 because I would be accused of selective quotation if I didn't - but no, as horrible as the hospital bombing was, it doesn't qualify as genocide or a "crime against humanity".

    So, do you think those in the AC-130 positively knew they were attacking a hospital? I seriously doubt that, meaning they are protected by articles 1(b) and/or (c). If you think they did know, and did it anyway, you're flatly accusing them of war crimes, which is not to be done lightly. How much do you have to hate the USA to assume the worst about them, before we know anything about what happened?

    (On the other hand: regarding those on the ground who provided the information to the CP, and those in the CP who gave the orders - they're going to get books thrown at them.)

    Jesus H. I was simply rubbishing the post by the poster I quoted and pointing out the absurdity of his position.


  • #56
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    All this moral equivalence stuff - presumably borrowed third-hand from social studies dropouts - is hilarious.

    Do carry on.


  • #57
    imme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    tins of beans OP
    tins of beans
    you could eat them hot or cold ;)

    NATO is looking stoopid sticking up for Turkey, admittedly a member of NATO, but a country run another header, Erdogan.


  • #58
    BBDBB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    ...at least according to Reuters today, I was wondering if this article in the Herald is still true.

    To save you the bother of reading the articles, Russia's violation of Turkish (i.e. NATO) airspace is "raising the stakes in a high risk situation" (UK MoD Sec), and so we're all fecked.

    But the real issue that perplexes me is whether we should pay any attention to the Herald when stocking up on baked beans. Heinz, Batchelors' and Aldi beans offer national pride, nostalgic comfort and brutal economic realities which are jostling for position in my mind.

    Has anyone tried all three?


    Never mind that sh*t, here comes Mongo!


  • #59
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    BBDBB wrote: »
    Never mind that sh*t, here comes Mongo!

    Candygram for Putin!


  • #60
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Well judging by not being able to hit the country of Syria with Cruise missiles and hitting Iran. Should we worry to much about it ?


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  • #61
    FatherTed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Who cares if WW3 is starting(again)? It's not like Ireland ever participates, bravely doing nothing as usual.


  • #62
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    FatherTed wrote: »
    Who cares if WW3 is starting(again)? It's not like Ireland ever participates, bravely doing nothing as usual.

    It is not true to say Ireland does nothing in these situations.

    There have been hundreds - if not thousands - of brave Irishmen and women who have sacrificed their time to post on threads like this about war.

    I and many others will be paying tribute to them in November by engaging in a mindless debate over the wearing of the poppy, and I think we should all do likewise.


  • #63
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,816 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Well judging by not being able to hit the country of Syria with Cruise missiles and hitting Iran. Should we worry to much about it ?

    That should probably make us worry more!


  • #64
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    jmayo wrote: »
    No WWI was The Great War.

    Mate. That was kind of the joke.


  • #65
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Major development: US to cut funds for training anti-Assad rebels. As yet unconfirmed, but it should be announced today apparently.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/09/us-to-axe-5-scheme-train-syrian-rebels-nyt


  • #66
    Putin
    Registered Users Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Putin


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Major development: US to cut funds for training anti-Assad rebels. As yet unconfirmed, but it should be announced today apparently.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/09/us-to-axe-5-scheme-train-syrian-rebels-nyt

    Sounds like a serious case of copped on, is finally breaking out amongst the yanks.


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  • #67
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,816 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Major development: US to cut funds for training anti-Assad rebels. As yet unconfirmed, but it should be announced today apparently.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/09/us-to-axe-5-scheme-train-syrian-rebels-nyt

    Expect more quiet back tracking from the Americans. Not that they will ever accept Assad, but the sooner they and others realise that ISIL pose way more threat to them than Assad the better.


  • #68
    Boring username
    Closed Accounts Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Boring username


    There are unconfirmed reports that Turkey has shot down a Russian fighter jet:


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267595/Russian-jet-shot-Turkish-forces-flew-country-s-airspace.html


  • #69
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    topper75 wrote: »
    Mate. That was kind of the joke.

    Great of course meaning 'Big', so big in fact, that nearly 50.000 Irish men died in the Great War.

    With 250.000 Irish men fighting in that war.

    PS; many more Irish men fought in WWII, although the State officially remained neutral.


  • #70
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Gatling wrote: »
    The Russian's are coming

    The Russian's are coming

    Not really when's Games of Thornes starting back

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaiBsGMFlSM


    Val Bennett - The Russian Are Coming (Take Five) < I love this tune.

    ..it was the soundtrack to this great series on Channel 4 (UK), The Secret Life of Machines (Wikipedia), hosted by Tim Hunkin and Rex Garrod, in the late 80s, early 90s, YouTube has them all..


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