Strokestown Mod Note in Post #4461

Odelay · 16-12-2018 5:05pm

Bubblegummers wrote: »

Ok, maybe you’re not aware but a security official within the state of Ireland needs a license(No problem you say he could have one) BUT to get one you need to reside in the state.

Where did you get that information? I don’t believe it.

jimwallace197 · 16-12-2018 5:13pm

Surprised there was a court order given especially if it was their home. Judges are very reluctant to order reposessions of family homes in this country unless there is absolutely zero co-operation and payment from the party concerned which I assume was the case in this instance.

The bank is mainly at fault here, lending to an individual without more than likely doing a proper stress test on him first who operates in an industry that is notorious for acts like this. On top of this, sending a foreign security firm in to reposess the house whether they are British or not is all a major screw up by KBC and they have done serious harm to their reputation in this area (potentially nationwide). Very very naive.

They would have been much better off writing it off as a bad debt and forgetting about it.

Even though its not ok that people borrow money whether its for a house or something else & not pay it back, this is the reason why there are credit checks, stress tests and sectors of business that are considered high risk for financial institutions to lend to.

Sycamore Tree · 16-12-2018 5:15pm

Crazy stuff. I bet SF are glad there is no election in 2019. Many questions will be asked about this.

16-12-2018 5:21pm

Didn't Captain Boycott himself go north to recruit loyalists to do his bidding when the natives finally got off their knees and united following Parnell's now world-famous Ennis speech in 1880?

And isn't Strokestown home of the notorious Denis Mahon, who was deservedly assassinated in 1847 for evicting over 3,000 people in Strokestown and the surrounding area in 1847 alone?

Yeah, you don't need to be a genius to see the optics of this are ineffably awful. And I wouldn't be against evictions per se: there are times when it is only fair to evict somebody - e.g. a strategic defaulter.

Bubblegummers · 16-12-2018 5:23pm

Odelay wrote: »

Where did you get that information? I don’t believe it.

It is 110% . pSA in republic, SIA in the north you need to be a resident in the state to apply. Try apply for a PSA with a northern address

hurler32 · 16-12-2018 5:32pm

It seems like the Fine Gael government has lost all touch with rural Ireland . Big protest march in castlerea co rosscommon today against gardai beating up two men in that town last weekend . The guards working with the loyalist repossession gangs seems to have been the straw that broke the camels back in rosscommon this week .

gctest50 · 16-12-2018 5:48pm

hurler32 wrote: »

It seems like the Fine Gael government has lost all touch with rural Ireland .

Big protest march in castlerea co rosscommon today against gardai beating up two men in that town last weekend .

The guards working with the loyalist repossession gangs seems to have been the straw that broke the camels back in rosscommon this week .

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/garda-responding-burglary-call-roscommon-13730592

Garda responding to 'burglary' call in Roscommon 'forced to fight for his life after being attacked by two men'

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-investigate-after-officer-assaulted-by-two-men-in-roscommon-1.3727346?mode=amp

h2005 · 16-12-2018 5:51pm

gctest50 wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/garda-responding-burglary-call-roscommon-13730592

Garda responding to 'burglary' call in Roscommon 'forced to fight for his life after being attacked by two men'

There was a march in Castlerea today in support of the 2 men. Not sure that that report tells the whole story

Odelay · 16-12-2018 5:53pm

Bubblegummers wrote: »

It is 110% . pSA in republic, SIA in the north you need to be a resident in the state to apply. Try apply for a PSA with a northern address

Where does it say that?

twowheelsonly · 16-12-2018 5:56pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

How much did they owe? When did they last make payments?

That's the million dollar question that nobody seems to know the answer to.

gctest50 wrote: »

Nobody held a shotgun to someones head and made them take out a loan

Sheer f****ing greed on the part of those who took out loans they couldn't pay

By all accounts this appears to be three elderly people involved. The bank obviously loaned them the money, should have stress tested them for it but possibly encouraged them to take the loan. Without all the details then we're all just guessing here but IMO the bank is far from faultless here. It's up to them to protect their own money and that's why they have stress tests. Obviously their own systems let them down here.

Corporate Ireland Vs Traditional Rural Ireland and Rural Ireland just bit back.

Were KBC right ? I don't know, but evicting a third generation farm family is never going to go well. Bear in mind that if these people are elderly, and they are third generation, their family has probably lived there for in excess of 100 years. As far as they, and all their neighbours, are concerned this is 'their land' and taking a loan from a bank would never justify seizing that land from them.

Allinall · 16-12-2018 5:57pm

hurler32 wrote: »

It seems like the Fine Gael government has lost all touch with rural Ireland . Big protest march in castlerea co rosscommon today against gardai beating up two men in that town last weekend . The guards working with the loyalist repossession gangs seems to have been the straw that broke the camels back in rosscommon this week .

What’s that got to do with Fine Gael?

end of the road · 16-12-2018 6:01pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So Republican ones would have been fine, yeah?

Why not send a list of your approved security personnel to the banks so they can avoid offending you.

neither would be fine. security shouldn't be involved in the actual eviction. they should only be able to do the basic security job after the eviction is finished.
evictions and similar should only be caried out by an arm of the gardai.

16-12-2018 6:02pm

end of the road wrote: »

neither would be fine. security shouldn't be involved in the actual eviction. they should only be able to do the basic security job after the eviction is finished.
evictions and similar should only be caried out by an arm of the gardai.

Gardai don't do evictions.

gctest50 · 16-12-2018 6:04pm

twowheelsonly wrote: »

That's the million dollar question that nobody seems to know the answer to.

By all accounts this appears to be three elderly people involved. The bank obviously loaned them the money, should have stress tested them for it but possibly encouraged them to take the loan. Without all the details then we're all just guessing here but IMO the bank is far from faultless here. It's up to them to protect their own money and that's why they have stress tests. Obviously their own systems let them down here.

Corporate Ireland Vs Traditional Rural Ireland and Rural Ireland just bit back.

Were KBC right ? I don't know, but evicting a third generation farm family is never going to go well. Bear in mind that if these people are elderly, and they are third generation, their family has probably lived there for in excess of 100 years. As far as they, and all their neighbours, are concerned this is 'their land' and taking a loan from a bank would never justify seizing that land from them.

All we know is - they borrowed a lot of money

Where is it ?

What was it spent on ? No mention of that ?

ChikiChiki · 16-12-2018 6:05pm

I get the sense the country is close to tipping point on many issues.

piplip87 · 16-12-2018 6:06pm

Fee things I've noticed.

1) Nowhere credible have I read that these men evicting are in any way linked to Loyalist Paramilitarys. It's seems that one of them said he was British on the recording. It is been used to stir up hatred towards them.

2) We have no detail about the loan in question, how much was taken and how much was owed and most importantly if/how long the owners buried Thier heads in the sand. That makes a massive difference. Massive difference between not paying or not contacting the bank for a year opposed to 5.

3) Nothing justifies violence from either party in this dispute.

ohnonotgmail · 16-12-2018 6:11pm

twowheelsonly wrote: »

That's the million dollar question that nobody seems to know the answer to.

By all accounts this appears to be three elderly people involved. The bank obviously loaned them the money, should have stress tested them for it but possibly encouraged them to take the loan. Without all the details then we're all just guessing here but IMO the bank is far from faultless here. It's up to them to protect their own money and that's why they have stress tests. Obviously their own systems let them down here.

Corporate Ireland Vs Traditional Rural Ireland and Rural Ireland just bit back.

Were KBC right ? I don't know, but evicting a third generation farm family is never going to go well. Bear in mind that if these people are elderly, and they are third generation, their family has probably lived there for in excess of 100 years. As far as they, and all their neighbours, are concerned this is 'their land' and taking a loan from a bank would never justify seizing that land from them.

which just makes them and their neighbours naive fools.

hurler32 · 16-12-2018 6:13pm

Allinall wrote: »

What’s that got to do with Fine Gael?

Think it’s no secret Fine Gael are only concerned with what’s happening in Dublin . Locals of castlerea are very angry with whatever occurred last weekend in Castlerea . Meanwhile a few miles up the road the guards were proving back up to these Northern Ireland repossession firm lads . Fine Gael are the government who control the guards . None of the above carry on would be tolerated in South Dublin .

No sign of the guards when it comes to travellers robbing rural people but they can assist loyalists repossession firms ??

the world wonders · 16-12-2018 6:14pm

I decided to ask KBC myself what the story was and it got deleted for "trolling", what a joke. These are all sincere questions, I have a credit card with KBC and am considering a mortgage.

paw patrol · 16-12-2018 6:15pm

Mark Rippetoe wrote: »

Mod: Internet tough guys/keyboard warriors Makikomi and Patww79, don't post in this thread again

at least they aren't a wannabe tough guy impersonating somebody else ( i.e Mark Rippetoe) cos they've no personality of their own
you absolute dope.

Mod: Banned

Fann Linn · 16-12-2018 6:16pm

hurler32 wrote: »

Think it’s no secret Fine Gael are only concerned with what’s happening in Dublin . Locals of castlerea are very angry with whatever occurred last weekend in Castlerea . Meanwhile a few miles up the road the guards were proving back up to these Northern Ireland repossession firm lads . Fine Gael are the government who control the guards . None of the above carry on would be tolerated in South Dublin .

No sign of the guards when it comes to travellers robbing rural people but they can assist loyalists repossession firms ??

No surprise really when you see where our new Garda chief comes from.

gctest50 · 16-12-2018 6:18pm

hurler32 wrote: »

Think it’s no secret Fine Gael are only concerned with what’s happening in Dublin . Locals of castlerea are very angry with whatever occurred last weekend in Castlerea . Meanwhile a few miles up the road the guards were proving back up to these Northern Ireland repossession firm lads . Fine Gael are the government who control the guards . None of the above carry on would be tolerated in South Dublin .

No sign of the guards when it comes to travellers robbing rural people but they can assist loyalists repossession firms ??

That's a lovely story.

Where is all the money they borrowed ?

washman3 · 16-12-2018 6:20pm

Maybe Irish people have finally woken up...!!!

keavebm · 16-12-2018 6:21pm

Watched the videos ****in scandalous wat their doing. They were old people in there seventies. Scumbags and thugs them and the banks. We bailed out the ****in banks and this is what we get

Fann Linn · 16-12-2018 6:22pm

keavebm wrote: »

Watched the videos ****in scandalous wat their doing. They were old people in there seventies. Scumbags and thugs them and the banks. We bailed out the ****in banks and this is what we get

We didn't bail out Kbc if I recall correctly.

16-12-2018 6:23pm

washman3 wrote:

Maybe Irish people have finally woken up...!!!

To what exactly? It sure isn't personal responsibility.

0cp71eyxkb94qf · 16-12-2018 6:23pm

Good on them.

gctest50 · 16-12-2018 6:24pm

washman3 wrote: »

Maybe Irish people have finally woken up...!!!

To the fact some rural people could borrow a few hundred thousand and never pay it back ?

because 3 generation/800 years/one guy said he was English

Where is the money they borrowed ?

twowheelsonly · 16-12-2018 6:26pm

gctest50 wrote: »

All we know is - they borrowed a lot of money

Where is it ?

What was it spent on ? No mention of that ?

We don't know if it was a 'lot of money' (relatively speaking ). We actually don't know anything about it. If we did know then peoples attitudes or sympathies may swing one way or the other.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

which just makes them and their neighbours naive fools.

You could say the same about the bank.

Billy86 · 16-12-2018 6:30pm

I kind of wish the culprits were Muslim, or at least African. This thread is far too reasoned and hasn't even picked out a large chunk of society to dehumanise based on the actions of a small few yet.

AH, you're slipping.

JCJCJC · 16-12-2018 6:31pm

There’s already one county in Ireland where most banks won’t accept mortgage applications, because the security is virtually unenforceable. The people supporting the incident in Roscommon need to think about the possible consequences. And, if even one of them is identified, they’ll be buying new vans etc for the security company... then we’ll see who loses their house.

keavebm · 16-12-2018 6:32pm

gctest50 wrote:

Sheer f****ing greed on the part of those who took out loans they couldn't pay

Are you ****ing serious? Such a stupid comment to make. U dont know the circumstances these people have. Ur probably a banker the greediest scumbags of all.

corks finest · 16-12-2018 6:33pm

P_1 wrote: »

Eliana Narrow Smooch wrote: »

I'd be more concerned about the vigilante anti eviction thugs who burned out cars and disregarded the rule of law.

As would I. However what do you think inspired that proto nationalist reaction? I get it, the bank has a debt that needs to be enforced but the manner in which they have gone about it is braindead ro put it mildly. Surely somebody there would have copped that this would have acted like a red rag to a bull to the people who went vigilante last night?

Bloody bank owes more

end of the road · 16-12-2018 6:35pm

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Crazy stuff. I bet SF are glad there is no election in 2019. Many questions will be asked about this.

i wouldn't imagine sf will have anything to worry about given they have nothing to do with what happened.

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Gardai don't do evictions.

they don't currently, but that should change. it won't be ideal either, but better then hired goons in my view.

P_1 · 16-12-2018 6:36pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

firstly, look, learn to spell the words you use or learn to use other words- as a rule i detest people grammar nitpicking but as another rule if one is to lecture on complexity then let's have some minimum standards

secondly, there's little or nothing complex about the plot and driving factors relevant to this situation as so well set out by the playwright, who well recognised the irish thug sickness caused by a presumed birthright to "the land". seeing as you raised the point it seemed fair to remind you that at heart its a criticism of exactly the type of lawless, morally vacuous defence of greed and self interest you are defending here.

anyone living in or with experience in rural ireland knows very well the mindset of these fellas and knows very well that beatings in the dark is a long-cherished mechanism of theirs

Fair cop.

You caught me at a moment when I was feeling particularly disdainful towards humanity in general

keavebm · 16-12-2018 6:37pm

Fann Linn wrote:

We didn't bail out Kbc if I recall correctly.

People are commenting like the banks are the best in the world. Their not. They are money grabbing bastards. The biggest scumbags and crooks in this country are the banks they should be ashamed.

Odyssey 2005 · 16-12-2018 6:39pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

No surprise really when you see where our new Garda chief comes from.

I don't really want to believe the implications of this post, but it does make me wonder if the gov made another big mistake hiring him.!

corks finest · 16-12-2018 6:39pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

end of the road wrote: »

neither would be fine. security shouldn't be involved in the actual eviction. they should only be able to do the basic security job after the eviction is finished.
evictions and similar should only be caried out by an arm of the gardai.

Gardai don't do evictions.

No just block roads , escort the Gombeen men,and stand idly by as elderly ppl are abused,and pushed around,wake up moron FFS

backspin. · 16-12-2018 6:43pm

Any links to the videos?

Odyssey 2005 · 16-12-2018 6:43pm

corks finest wrote: »

No just block roads , escort the Gombeen men,and stand idly by as elderly ppl are abused,and pushed around,wake up moron FFS

I read on Facebook that one of the elderly people was a retired garda. Any truth in this because the video I saw there was half a dozen big fookers roughly manhandleing him under a serving gardas nose. Hope he was proud of himself.

pablo128 · 16-12-2018 6:46pm

corks finest wrote: »

No just block roads , escort the Gombeen men,and stand idly by as elderly ppl are abused,and pushed around,wake up moron FFS

The elderly people, while I have some sympathy for them, brought it on themselves. And they had every chance to leave peacefully. They chose not to.

Fann Linn · 16-12-2018 6:47pm

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

I don't really want to believe the implications of this post, but it does make me wonder if the gov made another big mistake hiring him.!

Just threw it out there for the craic, however it is a stick to beat the Garda chief if 'security firms dressed in paramilitary gear from the north' are going to be used continually in evictions down here.

16-12-2018 6:47pm

Ultimately the house/land will be sold (but for less than it's worth as a potential buyer will see all this nonsense), so the original owners will still owe even more to the bank (as the land selling for small money will not offset as much of the debt).

Banks around the place will see all this hassle involving farmers and their god-complex that they're above everyone else (and shouldnt have to pay their bills), and will either stop loaning to them or will hit them with huge interest to cover these kind of situations.

Seems like a win-win for all involved, alright.

end of the road · 16-12-2018 6:57pm

pablo128 wrote: »

The elderly people, while I have some sympathy for them, brought it on themselves. And they had every chance to leave peacefully. They chose not to.

they didn't bring it on themselves no . there isn't any justification for the behaviour of the hired lot.

Padraig Mor · 16-12-2018 7:02pm

end of the road wrote: »

they didn't bring it on themselves no . there isn't any justification for the behaviour of the hired lot.

Weren't you the one last year saying that the authorities should use violence to force peaceful residents to accept a bunch of antisocial criminal Travellers at the end of their road in the aftermath of the Carrickmines fire?

road_high · 16-12-2018 7:06pm

Is this another case of people taking out loans on property they couldn’t afford and then finding out they might be evicted from the property they never actually paid for in the first place? Shocker!

gctest50 · 16-12-2018 7:06pm

corks finest wrote: »

No just block roads , escort the Gombeen men,and stand idly by as elderly ppl are abused,and pushed around,wake up moron FFS

They would have all been in court ? Yes ? No ?

Would basically been told by the judge to gtf for not engaging ?

road_high · 16-12-2018 7:09pm

JCJCJC wrote: »

There’s already one county in Ireland where most banks won’t accept mortgage applications, because the security is virtually unenforceable. The people supporting the incident in Roscommon need to think about the possible consequences. And, if even one of them is identified, they’ll be buying new vans etc for the security company... then we’ll see who loses their house.

Which county is that?

Billcarson · 16-12-2018 7:10pm

Effects wrote: »

Don't pay your mortgage, you lose your house. Is that too simplistic?

The poor old bankers need all the help they can get eh. Let's not forget it was greedy bankers who helped screw up this country ten yrs ago.

expectationlost · 16-12-2018 7:11pm

why were these people in Falsk Roscommon evicted? had they borrowed money during the boom for something and couldn't pay it back?

they didn't pay their mortgage is too simple, there must be a story of how they go to that point...

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