Skint Britain Channel 4

LuasSimon · 20-02-2019 10:47pm #1

Anyone watching this tonight , about people on the dole in Hartlepool in England and the change in dole payments to monthly . Social welfare in England is less than half what’s paid here and there’s also heavy sanctions for those not making serious efforts to get work . Most of those on the dole are penniless in his programme . Mad stuff

As opposed to welfare Ireland where you can get 50-60000 on welfare if your from an Irish ethnic group with ten children !

NIMAN · 20-02-2019 10:49pm

Watched about 5 mins of it there.

Guy docked money for 3 months for not attending an appt, fair enough I suppose. He's doing nothing all day, shouldn't be missing appts.

Just looking at all these young lads. Why can't they find any work? Are they even looking?

orourkeda1977 · 20-02-2019 10:51pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Anyone watching this tonight , about people on the dole in Hartlepool in England and the change in dole payments to monthly . Social welfare in England is less than half what’s paid here and there’s also heavy sanctions for those not making serious efforts to get work . Most of those on the dole are penniless in his programme . Mad stuff

As opposed to welfare Ireland where you can get 50-60000 on welfare if your from an Irish ethnic group with ten children !

Ireland's most loved ethnic minority? Surely not? I mean they're the pillars of many local communities and would never dream of making fraudulent use of the social welfare system would they?

LuasSimon · 20-02-2019 10:54pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Watched about 5 mins of it there.

Guy docked money for 3 months for not attending an appt, fair enough I suppose. He's doing nothing all day, shouldn't be missing appts.

Just looking at all these young lads. Why can't they find any work? Are they even looking?

With a knowledge of the north of England there’s huge areas off some of those city’s with no jobs , a shelf stacker in sainsburys could see 100 applying for it .
Parts of wales are as bad , many on UK benefits genuinely can’t get work and are going hungry , as opposed to here where some people’s can have unlimited benefits ??

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 20-02-2019 10:57pm

fryup · 20-02-2019 10:58pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Just looking at all these young lads. Why can't they find any work? Are they even looking?

some parts of the UK have no jobs > as in meaningful secure jobs

we have it sweet over here compared to them

LuasSimon · 20-02-2019 10:58pm

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

Ireland must loved ethnic minority? Surely not? I mean they're the pillars of many local communities and would never dream of making fraudulent use of the social welfare system would they?

Their not doing it fraudently . If yourself and the missus are married don’t work and have ten kids you can get the same , if anyone mentions a job start on about discrimination . Most people rightly or wrongly though prefer to get employment and pay their way . You’d wonder at times who is right .

dxhound2005 · 20-02-2019 11:01pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Their not doing it fraudently . If yourself and the missus are married don’t work and have ten kids you can get the same , if anyone mentions a job start on about discrimination . Most people rightly or wrongly though prefer to get employment and pay their way . You’d wonder at times who is right .

The way you're making them out no employer would give them a job. Plenty of more suitable people from Poland.

NIMAN · 20-02-2019 11:01pm

fryup wrote: »

some parts of the UK have no jobs > as in meaningful secure jobs

we have it sweet over here compared to them

And these are the areas which voted overwhelmingly for BREXIT.

Like its going to make the job situation better.

The fools.

dxhound2005 · 20-02-2019 11:02pm

The Hartlefools.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 20-02-2019 11:05pm

Football team are also doing sh1te this yr, lower end of the Conference with with no hope of promotion.

I always had a soft spot for the monkey hangers.

Like everything else in Hartlepool they battle to stay afloat financially.

SEPT 23 1989 · 20-02-2019 11:10pm

The poverty is so much worse than over here even in our worst areas

Don't understand why they are not arriving here by the boatload to claim

wexandproud · 20-02-2019 11:15pm

Lyra Tinkling Sandbag wrote: »

beat me to it , hardly worth logging in any more

DEFTLEFTHAND · 20-02-2019 11:16pm

All that north east area of England could never replace the ship building industry.

They were relatively prosperous areas with full employment at one point.

dxhound2005 · 20-02-2019 11:18pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

All that north east area of England could never replace the ship building industry.

They were relatively prosperous areas with full employment at one point.

I doubt if they were more prosperous at the time of the Jarrow March.

BobbyBobberson · 20-02-2019 11:23pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The poverty is so much worse than over here even in our worst areas

Don't understand why they are not arriving here by the boatload to claim

Absolutely. Even some of those who do work have a ****ty existence.

RWCNT · 20-02-2019 11:34pm

What was the overall message of the show? Kind of a "Look how bad these people have it" or "Look at these bloody layabouts" sort of thing?

Lefty Bicek · 20-02-2019 11:37pm

Hartlepool was about 2:1 for leaving.

They're disillusioned, they're impoverished, they don't see a future, they resent the perceived levels of immigration, and they took it out on their 'betters'.

Calling people Hartlefools because they voted as they did, is condescending ignorance.

They're not fools, and maybe if the EU had done a better job of convincing them that their lives were in any significant way better within it... the outcome might have been different.

I can't understand why people here can't get it into their thick skulls - Brexit, for ordinary 'Leave' voters was never about +/- jobs.

NIMAN · 20-02-2019 11:44pm

For ordinary leave voters it was about racism and their ill informed notion that the EU were the bad guys.

They will soon find out their vote will make things a lot worse.

Get Real · 20-02-2019 11:50pm

I know they have it very bad it Hartpoole, but christ, if you were lucky enough to have a steady job, house prices start at 16k. 25 to 30 k for 2/3 bed terraced houses.

Obviously no good to the unemployed, or someone on a zero hours contract.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?locationIdentifier=REGION%5E601&sortType=1#prop57737412

Harry Palmr · 20-02-2019 11:51pm

If there is a hierarchy of endemic national poverty in developed economies I'd say Ireland is somewhere worse than say France or the Nordic nations but rather better than Portugal, UK or USA. Food banks are not part of the social fabric of this country even if homelessness in it's various forms is.

Atlantic Dawn · 20-02-2019 11:53pm

Repeated again on 47 at 1.10am.

macnug · 21-02-2019 12:00am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Repeated again on 47 at 1.10am.

What channel is 47?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 21-02-2019 12:01am

NIMAN wrote: »

For ordinary leave voters it was about racism and their ill informed notion that the EU were the bad guys.

They will soon find out their vote will make things a lot worse.

52% racist? That’s huge.

Lefty Bicek · 21-02-2019 12:02am

NIMAN wrote: »

For ordinary leave voters it was about racism and their ill informed notion that the EU were the bad guys.

Unless you want to campaign for those you perceive to be lesser than yourself to be disenfranchised, I suggest you pick up your toys, put them back in your pram, and walk on.

The magic wonderland that is Hartlepool has had plenty of immigration, and had plenty of EU funds, and still it's quite a depressing place for so many.

Yet another delusion of the brainwashed is to think that people voted 'leave' for the reasons that the 'Leave' campaigned on. Actually, they frequently didn't.

Atlantic Dawn · 21-02-2019 12:03am

macnug wrote: »

What channel is 47?

Four 7, some Channel 4 type 2nd chance channel, it's on Freesat, Sky etc.

NIMAN · 21-02-2019 12:04am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

52% racist? That’s huge.

I was using the term 'ordinary' as it was used above to describe the type of folk on this programme. Not every leave voter.

Would I say that there is a high level of racism among those who feature on shows like this? Definitely.

Lefty Bicek · 21-02-2019 12:04am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

52% racist? That’s huge.

Hartlepool was 70% for leave.

Imagine 70% of a town of 90k people being not as clever as NIMAN. They'd have walked into the sea years ago.

dxhound2005 · 21-02-2019 12:05am

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Hartlepool was about 2:1 for leaving.

They're disillusioned, they're impoverished, they don't see a future, they resent the perceived levels of immigration, and they took it out on their 'betters'.

Calling people Hartlefools because they voted as they did, is condescending ignorance.

They're not fools, and maybe if the EU had done a better job of convincing them that their lives were in any significant way better within it... the outcome might have been different.

I can't understand why people here can't get it into their thick skulls - Brexit, for ordinary 'Leave' voters was never about +/- jobs.

Condescending ignorance to tell people they have thick skulls. And to label people as ordinary.

Idbatterim · 21-02-2019 12:05am

Sorry this is rich Britain with a powerhouse economy ? Shows this kip up for the banana republic it is. Watch those spineless rats further inflate the welfare spend again this budget!

Fifty percent marginal rate on the working poor. Propping up the off the wall welfare state !

Lefty Bicek · 21-02-2019 12:06am

NIMAN wrote: »

I was using the term 'ordinary' as it was used above to describe the type of folk on this programme. Not every leave voter.

Would I say that there is a high level of racism among those who feature on shows like this? Definitely.

Go away out of it !

What about the 'extraordinary' leave voters then ?

fryup · 21-02-2019 12:15am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The poverty is so much worse than over here even in our worst areas

Don't understand why they are not arriving here by the boatload to claim

well they have every right to, seeing that we did it to them back in the 70s & 80s

Lefty Bicek · 21-02-2019 12:16am

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Condescending ignorance to tell people they have thick skulls. And to label people as ordinary.

I'm speaking based on clear evidence before me.

Not making gross generalisations that are factually incorrect, being based on false premises.

Big difference.

Nothing wrong with calling people 'ordinary' when the context is clearly a sense of separating them from

a) those who I previously referred to sarcastically as their 'betters', and
b) even from leaders of the campaign to 'leave' with whom they have nothing in common.

I'd say that sense of 'ordinary' is preferable to being called a fool any day.

Idbatterim · 21-02-2019 12:16am

fryup wrote: »

well they have every right to, seeing that we did it to them back in the 70s & 80s

The housing situation would put a halt to it. This welfare state is primarily great when you are a generational welfare family , everything already in place for you ...

20Cent · 21-02-2019 12:17am

Poverty porn.
I want to see a show about bankers running their banks into the ground, getting bailed out by the taxpayer and then giving themselves massive bonuses.
When's that on?

Church on Tuesday · 21-02-2019 12:57am

It depends really.

I took a job in Manchester cleaning office blocks while I was trying to get work in the sector I wanted.

Lad at work told me that people would come in for an interview to be offered the job, only for the applicant to literally turn around and say that he or she didn't want the job, that they was just there as a kind of obligation - a box ticking exercise if you will for the DWP.

Can't be much of a life, dole is next to nothing over there. And unlike rural areas where people are stuck on the dole here with poor public transport or just no work going really back here, the Brits have a pretty advanced rail network and (for now) bigger economy; there's literally no excuse to not have a job there.

kowloon · 21-02-2019 1:02am

LuasSimon wrote: »

As opposed to welfare Ireland where you can get 50-60000 on welfare if your from an Irish ethnic group with ten children !

They won't be an ethnic group for long if they only have ten children between them.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 21-02-2019 1:19am

NIMAN wrote: »

I was using the term 'ordinary' as it was used above to describe the type of folk on this programme. Not every leave voter.

Would I say that there is a high level of racism among those who feature on shows like this? Definitely.

So the poor are racist but not the rich? Nonsense. And classist.

end of the road · 21-02-2019 1:38am

Idbatterim wrote: »

Sorry this is rich Britain with a powerhouse economy ?

it is, and yet it has massive amounts of poverty and terminal decline. something inexcusible for a country with such an economy.

Idbatterim wrote: »

Shows this kip up for the banana republic it is.

we certainly have our problems but i don't know how britain shows us to be a banana republic? i'd say if anything, britain is the banana but a monarky instead of a republic.

Idbatterim wrote: »

Watch those spineless rats further inflate the welfare spend again this budget!

Fifty percent marginal rate on the working poor. Propping up the off the wall welfare state !

the wellfare state is tiny, i'm not seeing how it is off the wall? the wellfare state is hugely over-exaggerated. absolutely it is decent as it should be and it's issues which it does have many are easy to solve.

Charles Babbage · 21-02-2019 1:46am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Don't understand why they are not arriving here by the boatload to claim

Or even work!!

LuasSimon · 21-02-2019 9:39am

kowloon wrote: »

They won't be an ethnic group for long if they only have ten children between them.

Think the Birth rate for traveller women is 6.4 as against 1.8 for non traveller Irish so you they are the fastest growing part of the Irish population even if half of them are too lazy-refuse to fill in census forms.

LuasSimon · 21-02-2019 9:48am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The poverty is so much worse than over here even in our worst areas

Don't understand why they are not arriving here by the boatload to claim

For someone on the dole in England where only for foodbanks many would starve to death , coming to this country and been on the dole in rural Ireland would be like winning the lotto!

SteM · 21-02-2019 9:51am

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

They're not fools, and maybe if the EU had done a better job of convincing them that their lives were in any significant way better within it... the outcome might have been different.

It was up to their own government to convince them of this long before there was any Brexit referendum. A lot of these type areas have been almost abandoned by the government, no investment and left to decay. Meanwhile the people there are left to read the Mail and Sun banging on about the country being ruined by immigration. It's no wonder areas like this voted to leave in such numbers, it was the perfect ****storm, but I don't see how you can blame it on the EU.

Deebles McBeebles · 21-02-2019 10:15am

20Cent wrote: »

Poverty porn.
I want to see a show about bankers running their banks into the ground, getting bailed out by the taxpayer and then giving themselves massive bonuses.
When's that on?

A few years back, you might have seen it on the news.

randd1 · 21-02-2019 10:34am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

All that north east area of England could never replace the ship building industry.

They were relatively prosperous areas with full employment at one point.

The Empire fell, that's what happened.

The Brits simply couldn't replace the cheap materials they were able to ship in from the colonies, and had to force a lot of these industries to close because they weren't able to fund them. Places like Sheffield, Grimsby, Scunthorpe, Sunderland, Hull all had big industries kept afloat by cheap materials, but when they could no longer rely on that, it was then government money, until the government could no longer could afford it and pulled the rug from under them, and because they were working class trades people, left them to rot.

Not only that, but former colonies like India & Malaysia have become competition to the UK in the international markets, further piling on the hardship and expense.

It's no wonder the voted to leave the EU, they've received no benefit from it. That it was down to their own governments policies seems to have escaped them somewhat, better to blame the foreigners than Brittania for the failure.

21-02-2019 10:46am

I remember the last time I had the flu, I stayed in bed watching a documentary series on YouTube called Benefits Street, about people living on welfare in the UK.

I'm no republican but I'm delighted we broke away from that miserable society, and that we treat people with a little more compassion. If they didn't have the NHS, their system would be comparable to the US. I don't know how people put up with it. Shocking documentary.

irishgrover · 21-02-2019 10:51am

people here, me included, often ridicule the benefits system in this country, with regards to the amount of payments made to the long term unemployed, who appear to have limited interest in finding work. When they do find work it may be financially unviable for them to take it....
However when you go to the other end of the scale, as in the UK, the states etc.... you have to think what kid of long term societal problems are being caused by such policies..

mariaalice · 21-02-2019 11:05am

It is a very complex issue in the UK, part of the UK are unemployment blackspots and parts are massive powerhouse self-sustaining economies such as Manchester and London and even in those there is pockets of real poverty, there is more to it than just getting a job where do all the toothless people on the likes of Jeremy Kyle come from basic dental care is more or less free in the UK.

On the other hand, there are free school meal to those on low incomes genuinely free schooling as in at no cost to parents, The NHS is free, housing is much cheaper, there are free play schemes during the school holidays the local councils provide a lot more than here.

In one of the most fashionable areas of Manchester prices for a house start at 200k and the locals think this is a fortune, salaries can be lower but not always.

Basically, they have made a choice to give less cash but provide more services and we have made a choice to give cash and more or less let people sort it out themselves.

Monden society has become more complex there use to be a place for those who did have a disability but who function at the borderline level, but not in today society.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 21-02-2019 11:36am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I remember the last time I had the flu, I stayed in bed watching a documentary series on YouTube called Benefits Street, about people living on welfare in the UK.

I'm no republican but I'm delighted we broke away from that miserable society, and that we treat people with a little more compassion. If they didn't have the NHS, their system would be comparable to the US. I don't know how people put up with it. Shocking documentary.

Jesus don't use Ireland has an eg of doing it right. A country 3 quarters the size of London who spend 20 billion per yr on welfare. That doesn't help anyone better themselves either.

There's opportunities in Britain for those who push themselves and show drive and ambition.

Even at that their welfare system can still enable life long state dependency. There's generations of families living on council estates in the UK who've never worked a day in their lives. It's not as if they're out on the streets starving. Like here, children can be used as a meal ticket in the UK.

Wanderer78 · 21-02-2019 11:43am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

Even at that their welfare system can still enable life long state dependency. There's generations of families living on council estates in the UK who've never worked a day in their lives. It's not as if they're out on the streets starving. Like here, children can be used as a meal ticket in the UK.

So what causes long term unemployment?

21-02-2019 11:47am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Jesus don't use Ireland has an eg of doing it right. A country 3 quarters the size of London who spend 20 billion per yr on welfare. That doesn't help anyone better themselves either.

in fairness, most of that money goes towards payments such as pensions and child benefit.

Jobseekers payments are relatively minor in the entire scheme of the welfare budget.

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