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LuasSimon

Anyone watching this tonight , about people on the dole in Hartlepool in England and the change in dole payments to monthly . Social welfare in England is less than half what’s paid here and there’s also heavy sanctions for those not making serious efforts to get work . Most of those on the dole are penniless in his programme . Mad stuff

As opposed to welfare Ireland where you can get 50-60000 on welfare if your from an Irish ethnic group with ten children !

NIMAN

Watched about 5 mins of it there.

Guy docked money for 3 months for not attending an appt, fair enough I suppose. He's doing nothing all day, shouldn't be missing appts.

Just looking at all these young lads. Why can't they find any work? Are they even looking?

orourkeda1977

LuasSimon wrote: »

Anyone watching this tonight , about people on the dole in Hartlepool in England and the change in dole payments to monthly . Social welfare in England is less than half what’s paid here and there’s also heavy sanctions for those not making serious efforts to get work . Most of those on the dole are penniless in his programme . Mad stuff

As opposed to welfare Ireland where you can get 50-60000 on welfare if your from an Irish ethnic group with ten children !

Ireland's most loved ethnic minority? Surely not? I mean they're the pillars of many local communities and would never dream of making fraudulent use of the social welfare system would they?

LuasSimon

NIMAN wrote: »

Watched about 5 mins of it there.

Guy docked money for 3 months for not attending an appt, fair enough I suppose. He's doing nothing all day, shouldn't be missing appts.

Just looking at all these young lads. Why can't they find any work? Are they even looking?

With a knowledge of the north of England there’s huge areas off some of those city’s with no jobs , a shelf stacker in sainsburys could see 100 applying for it .
Parts of wales are as bad , many on UK benefits genuinely can’t get work and are going hungry , as opposed to here where some people’s can have unlimited benefits ??

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fryup

NIMAN wrote: »

Just looking at all these young lads. Why can't they find any work? Are they even looking?

some parts of the UK have no jobs > as in meaningful secure jobs

we have it sweet over here compared to them

LuasSimon

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

Ireland must loved ethnic minority? Surely not? I mean they're the pillars of many local communities and would never dream of making fraudulent use of the social welfare system would they?

Their not doing it fraudently . If yourself and the missus are married don’t work and have ten kids you can get the same , if anyone mentions a job start on about discrimination . Most people rightly or wrongly though prefer to get employment and pay their way . You’d wonder at times who is right .

dxhound2005

LuasSimon wrote: »

Their not doing it fraudently . If yourself and the missus are married don’t work and have ten kids you can get the same , if anyone mentions a job start on about discrimination . Most people rightly or wrongly though prefer to get employment and pay their way . You’d wonder at times who is right .

The way you're making them out no employer would give them a job. Plenty of more suitable people from Poland.

NIMAN

fryup wrote: »

some parts of the UK have no jobs > as in meaningful secure jobs

we have it sweet over here compared to them

And these are the areas which voted overwhelmingly for BREXIT.

Like its going to make the job situation better.

The fools.

dxhound2005

The Hartlefools.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Football team are also doing sh1te this yr, lower end of the Conference with with no hope of promotion.

I always had a soft spot for the monkey hangers.


Like everything else in Hartlepool they battle to stay afloat financially.

SEPT 23 1989

The poverty is so much worse than over here even in our worst areas

Don't understand why they are not arriving here by the boatload to claim

wexandproud

Lyra Tinkling Sandbag wrote: »

beat me to it , hardly worth logging in any more

DEFTLEFTHAND

All that north east area of England could never replace the ship building industry.

They were relatively prosperous areas with full employment at one point.

dxhound2005

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

All that north east area of England could never replace the ship building industry.

They were relatively prosperous areas with full employment at one point.

I doubt if they were more prosperous at the time of the Jarrow March.

BobbyBobberson

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The poverty is so much worse than over here even in our worst areas

Don't understand why they are not arriving here by the boatload to claim

Absolutely. Even some of those who do work have a ****ty existence.

RWCNT

What was the overall message of the show? Kind of a "Look how bad these people have it" or "Look at these bloody layabouts" sort of thing?

Lefty Bicek

Hartlepool was about 2:1 for leaving.

They're disillusioned, they're impoverished, they don't see a future, they resent the perceived levels of immigration, and they took it out on their 'betters'.

Calling people Hartlefools because they voted as they did, is condescending ignorance.

They're not fools, and maybe if the EU had done a better job of convincing them that their lives were in any significant way better within it... the outcome might have been different.

I can't understand why people here can't get it into their thick skulls - Brexit, for ordinary 'Leave' voters was never about +/- jobs.

NIMAN

For ordinary leave voters it was about racism and their ill informed notion that the EU were the bad guys.

They will soon find out their vote will make things a lot worse.

Get Real

I know they have it very bad it Hartpoole, but christ, if you were lucky enough to have a steady job, house prices start at 16k. 25 to 30 k for 2/3 bed terraced houses.

Obviously no good to the unemployed, or someone on a zero hours contract.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?locationIdentifier=REGION%5E601&sortType=1#prop57737412

Harry Palmr

If there is a hierarchy of endemic national poverty in developed economies I'd say Ireland is somewhere worse than say France or the Nordic nations but rather better than Portugal, UK or USA. Food banks are not part of the social fabric of this country even if homelessness in it's various forms is.

Atlantic Dawn

Repeated again on 47 at 1.10am.

macnug

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Repeated again on 47 at 1.10am.

What channel is 47?

Franz Von Peppercorn

NIMAN wrote: »

For ordinary leave voters it was about racism and their ill informed notion that the EU were the bad guys.

They will soon find out their vote will make things a lot worse.

52% racist? That’s huge.

Lefty Bicek

NIMAN wrote: »

For ordinary leave voters it was about racism and their ill informed notion that the EU were the bad guys.

Unless you want to campaign for those you perceive to be lesser than yourself to be disenfranchised, I suggest you pick up your toys, put them back in your pram, and walk on.

The magic wonderland that is Hartlepool has had plenty of immigration, and had plenty of EU funds, and still it's quite a depressing place for so many.

Yet another delusion of the brainwashed is to think that people voted 'leave' for the reasons that the 'Leave' campaigned on. Actually, they frequently didn't.

Atlantic Dawn

macnug wrote: »

What channel is 47?

Four 7, some Channel 4 type 2nd chance channel, it's on Freesat, Sky etc.

NIMAN

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

52% racist? That’s huge.

I was using the term 'ordinary' as it was used above to describe the type of folk on this programme. Not every leave voter.

Would I say that there is a high level of racism among those who feature on shows like this? Definitely.

Lefty Bicek

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

52% racist? That’s huge.

Hartlepool was 70% for leave.

Imagine 70% of a town of 90k people being not as clever as NIMAN. They'd have walked into the sea years ago.

dxhound2005

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Hartlepool was about 2:1 for leaving.

They're disillusioned, they're impoverished, they don't see a future, they resent the perceived levels of immigration, and they took it out on their 'betters'.

Calling people Hartlefools because they voted as they did, is condescending ignorance.

They're not fools, and maybe if the EU had done a better job of convincing them that their lives were in any significant way better within it... the outcome might have been different.

I can't understand why people here can't get it into their thick skulls - Brexit, for ordinary 'Leave' voters was never about +/- jobs.

Condescending ignorance to tell people they have thick skulls. And to label people as ordinary.

Idbatterim

Sorry this is rich Britain with a powerhouse economy ? Shows this kip up for the banana republic it is. Watch those spineless rats further inflate the welfare spend again this budget!

Fifty percent marginal rate on the working poor. Propping up the off the wall welfare state !

Lefty Bicek

NIMAN wrote: »

I was using the term 'ordinary' as it was used above to describe the type of folk on this programme. Not every leave voter.

Would I say that there is a high level of racism among those who feature on shows like this? Definitely.

Go away out of it !

What about the 'extraordinary' leave voters then ?