NBA Regular Season & Playoffs 2017-18

ButtersSuki · 23-10-2017 11:17am

brady23 wrote: »

I don't think there was any question that Lonzos stat line was inflated in that game as every other players was.
The point was more that a 44% fg% is not an atrocious stat line. It's the NBA average.

I also don't think that if Watson is kept on they continue to give up that amount of points and score that little, regression to the mean and all that similar to what LL suggested with Cavs vs Magic.
I do agree though that if they had questions around Watson he should not have started the season. They look like the whipping boys thus far though.

Sure....but I wasn't the one who said 44% was atrocious! Just pointing that out btw, not having a go!

K.O.Kiki · 23-10-2017 11:18am

Lonzo Ball vs Pelicans:

3-13 FG, 0-5 3P, 8-8-10

Damn the Pelis nearly lost that though; how do you let a 20 point lead slip?

ButtersSuki · 23-10-2017 11:19am

I saw a headline over the weekend that Boston only has 4 players left from last season's squad. I can't ever recall a team having that few returning players before. Anyone know if that's a record?

brady23 · 23-10-2017 11:23am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Lonzo Ball vs Pelicans:

3-13 FG, 0-5 3P, 8-8-10

Damn the Pelis nearly lost that though; how do you let a 20 point lead slip?

I'll take flirting with a triple double all day from any 19 year old. 23% from the field is atrocious though.
Kuzma looks like such a steal though

brady23 · 23-10-2017 11:25am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I saw a headline over the weekend that Boston only has 4 players left from last season's squad. I can't ever recall a team having that few returning players before. Anyone know if that's a record?

Potential record for a team that makes a conference final and is viewed as likely to again.

I would imagine the likes of the 76ers when tanking could have been close.

ButtersSuki · 23-10-2017 11:46am

brady23 wrote: »

I'll take flirting with a triple double all day from any 19 year old. 23% from the field is atrocious though.
Kuzma looks like such a steal though

He is never going to be an elite scorer, and that's even before we talk about the shot mechanics. With a shot like his, he's going to have some very poor shooting nights, but likely some games too where he gets hot and everything falls.

What I do really like about him though are the pace he plays at and his transition passing. I think he could be really, really good in a Jason Kidd type way if he's surrounded by the right personnel.

ButtersSuki · 23-10-2017 1:20pm

Meant to post this when talking about Giannis earlier - on the latest open floor podcast they said that Giannis is the same age as 10 of the players drafted this yar....and younger than 14 of them!

It may have been the other way around (14 & 10) but that is seriously scary.

Reminded me of this:

https://twitter.com/harrylylesjr/status/881601752990187521

brady23 · 23-10-2017 1:29pm

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/10/13/kevin-durant-giannis-antetokounmpo-could-be-best-player-ever#/

Quite the vote of confidence from Durant plus Kobe saying MVP when he issued his challenge.

The future of the NBA doesn't look very American at present as highlighted by a tweet Kevin Pelton responded to.

"Who even is the best US eligible U23 in the league? Jokic, KP, Giannis, Wiggins, Towns, Embiid, Simmons all international"

titan18 · 23-10-2017 6:17pm

brady23 wrote: »

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/10/13/kevin-durant-giannis-antetokounmpo-could-be-best-player-ever#/

Quite the vote of confidence from Durant plus Kobe saying MVP when he issued his challenge.

The future of the NBA doesn't look very American at present as highlighted by a tweet Kevin Pelton responded to.

"Who even is the best US eligible U23 in the league? Jokic, KP, Giannis, Wiggins, Towns, Embiid, Simmons all international"

Towns is American tbf, just doesn't play for the US national team. You'd also have Myles Turner, Devin Booker and Jabari Parker, and then don't forget Anthony Davis is only 24.

brady23 · 23-10-2017 7:17pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21127746/eric-bledsoe-sent-home-meeting-phoenix-suns

Bledsoe on the way out now. I don't know where the trade comes from though.

I thought back to the Clippers but I don't think they have any assets.

K.O.Kiki · 24-10-2017 2:47am

Ben Simmons just recorded a 21-12-10 triple double, 72.7 FG%
Joel Embiid 30pts, 9 rebounds, 2 steals, +21 plus-minus.

TRUST THE PROCESS.

brady23 · 24-10-2017 8:19am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Ben Simmons just recorded a 21-12-10 triple double, 72.7 FG%
Joel Embiid 30pts, 9 rebounds, 2 steals, +21 plus-minus.

TRUST THE PROCESS.

Assuming there is no injury he wins ROY at his ease.
First rookie since Blake to make the all star team looks a possibility if he can continue to play anything close to this.

ButtersSuki · 24-10-2017 12:01pm

brady23 wrote: »

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21127746/eric-bledsoe-sent-home-meeting-phoenix-suns

Bledsoe on the way out now. I don't know where the trade comes from though.

I thought back to the Clippers but I don't think they have any assets.

Denver most likely destination. They need a PG and were almost at a deal int he summer apparently.

NufcNavan · 24-10-2017 5:27pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21082183/story-chicago-bulls-downfall

An excellent read on the demise of the Chicago Bulls.

2smiggy · 25-10-2017 9:21am

great to see the 2 young jay's stepping up for the celtics. A real shame Hayward got injured, could have been a great season. Might still be yet !!

25-10-2017 10:08am

2smiggy wrote: »

great to see the 2 young jay's stepping up for the celtics. A real shame Hayward got injured, could have been a great season. Might still be yet !!

I mean if you come out of the season with then looking like they could be future all-stars plus Kyre plus Hayward coming back it'd be hard to be unhappy that's some core to build around

Paully D · 25-10-2017 2:27pm

NufcNavan wrote: »

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21082183/story-chicago-bulls-downfall

An excellent read on the demise of the Chicago Bulls.

Thanks for that.

Aside from the Rose injury, the key for me was dismantling the Bench Mob because, as always, they were too mean to go into the luxury tax despite being a contender. That and the absolute joke of a front office who have made shocking decision after shocking decision after shocking decision after shocking decision.

It's going to be a long, long way back.

brady23 · 25-10-2017 2:56pm

Marcel Delightful Viewfinder wrote: »

I mean if you come out of the season with then looking like they could be future all-stars plus Kyre plus Hayward coming back it'd be hard to be unhappy that's some core to build around

They definitely look like long term prospects that you're happy to build around as they fit quite well with Irving and Haywards timeline.

I wasn't a fan of the Horford move at the time and I'm still not. He's excellent in the regular season and does so many great things but he just doesn't play well in the post season.
Celtics have two more years after this season ending at 30m. The salary cap hasn't risen as high as originally projected so his contract is going to be tough to move given he's never opting out of his player option.

I think finding a suitor for his contract while freeing up some space could be a decent move. Imo without Hayward the Celtics aren't beating the Cavs and are potentially in trouble vs Wizards and Bucks. It wouldn't be popular but I think there is definite value in moving Horford and making a run at a younger big man. Perhaps you could make a deal with Horford and Cousins assuming Cousins agrees to sign long term

ButtersSuki · 25-10-2017 3:10pm

Marcel Delightful Viewfinder wrote: »

I mean if you come out of the season with then looking like they could be future all-stars plus Kyre plus Hayward coming back it'd be hard to be unhappy that's some core to build around

brady23 wrote: »

They definitely look like long term prospects that you're happy to build around as they fit quite well with Irving and Haywards timeline.

I wasn't a fan of the Horford move at the time and I'm still not. He's excellent in the regular season and does so many great things but he just doesn't play well in the post season.
Celtics have two more years after this season ending at 30m. The salary cap hasn't risen as high as originally projected so his contract is going to be tough to move given he's never opting out of his player option.

I think finding a suitor for his contract while freeing up some space could be a decent move. Imo without Hayward the Celtics aren't beating the Cavs and are potentially in trouble vs Wizards and Bucks. It wouldn't be popular but I think there is definite value in moving Horford and making a run at a younger big man. Perhaps you could make a deal with Horford and Cousins assuming Cousins agrees to sign long term

It's early days but they're both looking good. Stephens seems to have a thing for 6'8"-ish quick and athletic (wings) guys who can play multiple positions. Seems like he wants to have a team of a PG and 4 of those.

Horford is very definitely the odd man out on a very young team, but for the reasons you say moving him isn't going to be easy.

I'd take Boogie in a heartbeat but by all accounts, the Celtics aren't keen on him from a chemistry perspective.

The rumours are/were that Hayward and particularly Kyrie were just stepping stones to landing Anthony Davis and creating another Big 3. How likely that ever was or is now that Hayward's injured remains to be seen. There's been a few podcasts about this recently (openfloor, Ringer NBA or maybe it was the Bill Simmons Pod) that are worth checking out. NO sounds like one badly run franchise.

I don't expect Davis to stay in NO at the end of his current contract, but he could go anywhere.

ButtersSuki · 25-10-2017 5:47pm

Just watched last night's Top 10 Plays. Nice old-school Blake dunk in there. it's still very impressive but he doesn't look to be flying as high and the jump doesn't seem to be as explosive as it used to be.....not that I ever dunked like that of course!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGwIozTYBuw

ButtersSuki · 25-10-2017 5:48pm

Small point....but the fricking size of the Nike swoosh logo on the new jerseys compared is at the point where it's practically distracting.

rushfan · 25-10-2017 8:53pm

ButtersSuki wrote:

Small point....but the fricking size of the Nike swoosh logo on the new jerseys compared is at the point where it's practically distracting.

There was a fair sized swoosh in the back of LeBron's jersey there recently too. I'd say Nike loved that!!

26-10-2017 5:14pm

Anyone see the end of the Thunder/Wolves game?.

Melo landed a 3 with 4 seconds to go to put them up 1 and then without any TOs left, Wiggins took the inbound dribbled over half court before hoisting an awkward looking/half contested jumper that banked in for the win.

Worth a watch back.

ButtersSuki · 27-10-2017 2:11pm

Blake Griffin with a 3 to win it against Portland last night. Absolutely shocking, shocking defence both from an effort and a technical execution/fundamentals perspective from Portland though....I'd be annoyed if an U15 team played D that badly on a game on the line play.

ButtersSuki · 27-10-2017 2:21pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Anyone see the end of the Thunder/Wolves game?.

Melo landed a 3 with 4 seconds to go to put them up 1 and then without any TOs left, Wiggins took the inbound dribbled over half court before hoisting an awkward looking/half contested jumper that banked in for the win.

Worth a watch back.

It was an exciting finish sure, but the Wiggins shot was a bit of a brick that went in....rather than a great shot.

Now this...this is one hell of a game-winning shot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQhxRZmvwag

brady23 · 27-10-2017 4:49pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21172847/zach-lowe-10-things-like-featuring-giannis-antetokounmpo-nba

I really like Zach Lowe, he always picks really good clips, not flashy just in game situations that exemplify his points really well.

Great clip of Manu switching screens and an example of why Westbrook although great is probably the most ideal teammate to help develop rookies

27-10-2017 6:49pm

brady23 wrote: »

They definitely look like long term prospects that you're happy to build around as they fit quite well with Irving and Haywards timeline.

I wasn't a fan of the Horford move at the time and I'm still not. He's excellent in the regular season and does so many great things but he just doesn't play well in the post season.
Celtics have two more years after this season ending at 30m. The salary cap hasn't risen as high as originally projected so his contract is going to be tough to move given he's never opting out of his player option.

I think finding a suitor for his contract while freeing up some space could be a decent move. Imo without Hayward the Celtics aren't beating the Cavs and are potentially in trouble vs Wizards and Bucks. It wouldn't be popular but I think there is definite value in moving Horford and making a run at a younger big man. Perhaps you could make a deal with Horford and Cousins assuming Cousins agrees to sign long term

I like al just not at the max. He's a good leader a clever if not great defender and a matchup nightmare for traditionalcenters he ruined gortat last year

brady23 · 29-10-2017 7:16am

Simmons just looks phenomenal. He plays with such control.
10-15 from the field for 23-7-8 along with 3 steals and 1 TO. 76ers should have 2 all stars assuming they stay fit

Also Parsons rolled back the clock 2 years last night. Memphis 5-1 now. I'm not a huge Parsons fan but for Memphis sake I hope he rediscovers something close to the value they paid

K.O.Kiki · 29-10-2017 3:23pm

Meanwhile, Lonzo Ball continues to underperform.

Yes I know I'm being petty, but F*CK THE LAKERS

Paully D · 29-10-2017 4:35pm

8 points in the 2nd quarter in a 34 defeat at home to the Thunder for the Bulls last night. :pac:

bot43 · 30-10-2017 12:05am

Is it possible to watch nba pass on PS4?

ButtersSuki · 30-10-2017 4:37pm

GS over/under is 67 (maybe it was 67.5) They've already lost 3 games.

ButtersSuki · 31-10-2017 11:03am

GS continue their routine destruction of the Clippers. Starters benched for the 4th quarter and they still put up 141.

Watched full game Ben Simmons highlights for every game so far over the weekend. Just a phenomenal skillset for a guy do big. He looks a little awkward at times dribbling (esp. in the open court) and the whole shot issues are still there, but his passing and vision are exceptional.

NufcNavan · 31-10-2017 6:45pm

bot43 wrote: »

Is it possible to watch nba pass on PS4?

Yes but you need to set up a non European account.

ButtersSuki · 01-11-2017 2:23pm

Blazers had 6 points in the 2nd quarter last night. That's hard to do.

NufcNavan · 01-11-2017 4:56pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Blazers had 6 points in the 2nd quarter last night. That's hard to do.

The Kings had 10 I think after the first quarter v Pacers. They are terrible yet again.

Sabonis has been the steal of the PG trade. Putting up double doubles for fun.

I don't know where he will play once Turner comes back though.

NufcNavan · 02-11-2017 2:20am

Pacers blowing out the Cavs in their own gym lol.

K.O.Kiki · 02-11-2017 4:30am

Ben Simmons continues to impress.

Jahlil Okafor however is requesting a trade out of Philly, poor guy.

02-11-2017 1:43pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Ben Simmons continues to impress.

Jahlil Okafor however is requesting a trade out of Philly, poor guy.

I'd be interested to see him on a well run team

brady23 · 02-11-2017 2:01pm

2013-14 Al Jefferson is the ceiling I would say and a team with a slow offense beside a defensive minded center is possibly best case scenario.
He basically needs to get a trade to Utah.

Paully D · 02-11-2017 4:46pm

EXTREMELY early days, but Markkanen looks really promising for the Bulls. Could be a good start to the tanking process.

brady23 · 02-11-2017 8:37pm

Paully D wrote: »

EXTREMELY early days, but Markkanen looks really promising for the Bulls. Could be a good start to the tanking process.

I'll go out on the limb and say he'll have the best 3pt % of any player over 6ft 6in who shoots 200+ shots from beyond the arc. That is not bad company he's a 40% shooter imo.
I saw him for Arizona last year and thought he was good but lacked fluidity not a non-athlete but a bit stiff. I would take that back now he's been impressive.

Simmons though is something else. If he keeps this up there is serious consideration for him an all NBA team. I would assume he'd be deemed a guard.

If you assume IT can't make it now, DeRozan had his best season and even CP3 not in the mix given injury and sacrificing to leave Harden being Alpha. He could conceivably make the 3rd team with those numbers and efficiency.

18.5-9-8 must be All NBA team numbers as a guard. I think he sails to an all star appearance and he may as well be given ROY now assuming he's injury free.

K.O.Kiki · 03-11-2017 12:23pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_0YbP977Kw

Dame is a BAAAAD man!

Gregk961 · 03-11-2017 1:14pm

Such a casual looking game winner, looked like he just pulled up for mid game 3.

ButtersSuki · 03-11-2017 2:12pm

Gregk961 wrote: »

Such a casual looking game winner, looked like he just pulled up for mid game 3.

Exactly what I thought....not exactly game is on the line D or intensity from the Lakers. Looked quite strange when I watched it.

ButtersSuki · 03-11-2017 2:29pm

brady23 wrote: »

I'll go out on the limb and say he'll have the best 3pt % of any player over 6ft 6in who shoots 200+ shots from beyond the arc. That is not bad company he's a 40% shooter imo.
I saw him for Arizona last year and thought he was good but lacked fluidity not a non-athlete but a bit stiff. I would take that back now he's been impressive.

Simmons though is something else. If he keeps this up there is serious consideration for him an all NBA team. I would assume he'd be deemed a guard.

If you assume IT can't make it now, DeRozan had his best season and even CP3 not in the mix given injury and sacrificing to leave Harden being Alpha. He could conceivably make the 3rd team with those numbers and efficiency.

18.5-9-8 must be All NBA team numbers as a guard. I think he sails to an all star appearance and he may as well be given ROY now assuming he's injury free.

Whoa - small sample sizes....but I see where you're going.

I didn't see 1 second of Markkanen in college, and while I liked what I saw in the Euros I've been even more impressed with his play (and shooting in particular) in the NBA. I didn't think he'd be this good this early. Helps of course that he's getting minutes on a sh*t team, but that's not his fault! His shooting mechanics are excellent and unlike a lot of 7 footers (even the good shooters) he doesn't look slightly awkard shooting from distance. One caveat on your 6'6" claim though....isn't Klay Thompson 6'7"? Haven't googled it but pretty sure he is.

Simmons will be ROY unless there's an injury, no question. I've been enormously impressed with him, blown away in fact. I think an All Star selection is within his grasp for sure, but think All NBA is a stretch too far this year. He'll also be head and shoulders better than anyone else in this class in the short and long term IMO. Read this on clutchpoints.com earlier this week and meant to post it then:

He became the first rookie since Shaquille O’ Neal with a double-double in each of his first four games and, to put it into context of all-time greats he usually gets compared to, amassed more combined points, rebounds and assists (169) in the first five career games than Jason Kidd (124), LeBron James (155) and Michael Jordan (167).

I've been most impressed with his passing, both in terms of the variety and the degree of difficulty on some, and his vision.

Finally on rookies for now - see Malik Monk throwing in 18 in the 4th quarter the other night? Again, minutes on a sh*t team caveat, but still!

K.O.Kiki · 03-11-2017 3:45pm

Lonz0 Ball with 0 points in 28 minutes.

Best thing for Lakers now is to miss the playoffs so he can work on fixing his shot.
That thing is U G L Y.

LuckyLloyd · 04-11-2017 8:56am

LeBron forced to put up 57 points, the second highest total of his career, to get the win in Washington and break the skid. There’s a lot of work to be done there.

ButtersSuki · 04-11-2017 10:45am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

LeBron forced to put up 57 points, the second highest total of his career, to get the win in Washington and break the skid. There’s a lot of work to be done there.

Yup. He can't do that every night. Plus, Washington have been very poor and very slow to get into gear this season. I'm not sure this is a turn the corner moment just yet.

ButtersSuki · 04-11-2017 7:12pm

Boogie's been lighting up the stat sheet again this season but not getting much credit for it as usual. 29Pts, 14Reb, 6 Assists, 2 Blocks and 2 Steals per game.

NBA Regular Season & Playoffs 2017-18

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