11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:24pm

Brian? wrote: »

I’m pedantic sometimes yes. It’s important to be clear when debating but rarely happens on here, because people use too emotive language. I’m not trying to be pedantic to score points like some do.

Your statement was that “it is outrageous” where you bolder the “is” for emphasis. To me you’re attempting to present it as fact if you do this. So I was trying to reframe the debate correctly so we could argue whether this was outrageous or not. I possibly did a poor job of this.

I am obtuse sometimes yes. Who isn’t.

I’m far from backed into a corner. I can put down my phone and retreat at any time.

In my opinion it is outrageous. I didn't spell it out like. In my opinion it is outrageous. My opinion. I'll be sure to use that qualifier anytime I engage with you in future. Again, it was my opinion... and also the opinion of >95% of the posters here too. A general consensus you might say.

Also, nothing can be outrageous as a matter of fact so your whole argument is pretty moot. It's implied that it's an opinion. But you already know that.

Now, how's that for pedantry?

Wibbs · 05-01-2019 10:24pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

If there were boys dancing at a beach would you say that they are being sexualised too?

If they were dolled up like a whore and men were throwing money at them to keep dancing, then eh.. yeah.

Dear Jesus I hope you're on a wind up. If not I really dunno what to say to someone who can't see the obvious differences between the two. I really bloody don't.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:25pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

"The truth is, Desmond is a professional drag performer. No one forces him to perform, performing is what he loves to do and has always loved to do."

It's what his mother says he is a professional drag performer.

If there were boys dancing at a beach would you say that they are being sexualised too?

Do you throw dollar bills at boys on the beach?

Wait, don't answer that.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:27pm

Brian? wrote: »

Shameful debating style? Give over. There wasn’t an active debate. There was a load of people attacking and being outraged.

Attacking? Nope. Outraged. Yep, cos it's outrageous... in my opinion.

Brian? wrote: »

I’m going nowhere now.

Add unintentionally hilarious to the list.

Wibbs · 05-01-2019 10:27pm

Brian? wrote: »

So I’m insane by your implication?

I wouldn't say insane, blinkered by your "progressive" ideology, yes.

Brian? · 05-01-2019 10:29pm

Wibbs wrote: »

I

Hahahahhahah... oh wait you're serious? If there's a Right On position to be taken on any matter, you're a near guarantee to be the one posting it. On that score you're a walking cliche on the matter. You'll defend this "progressive" ideology to the point of farce and fault. QV this thread.

What ideology? It’s a simple question. What ideology am I defending? I

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:30pm

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Brian, if, hypothetically that was your son up there? Would you be comfortable. Apologies if this has been questioned before?

Brian? wrote: »

I don’t know. I’m not avoiding the question. I actually have 2 sons both younger than this boy.

Genuinely scary. I sincerely hope you're ripping the p*ss.

Bannasidhe · 05-01-2019 10:31pm

Cool Air wrote: »

It's the tyranny of the progressive. The same people who call themselves feminists always shout the loudest for cruel backwards Islam. They demand deranged men in wigs be allowed into women's spaces. To hell with real women.

Another year or two and they'll saying sex with children is ok.

Jayzuz - not only are you an expert on Gay Culture* - you are fluent in feminism**too. :rolleyes:

Any more axes you need to grind there?

*as imagined by straight people who haven't a notion.
** as yes - all feminists are Islam loving TERFs because the posters doesn't like feminists, Muslims, and transgender people therefore they are somehow in it together.

FWI - most feminists do not defend the ideology of Islam - they do get annoyed by Muslim = terrorists. Some feminists do not like transgender women being identified as women. Some feminists don't give a monkeys.

Brian? · 05-01-2019 10:31pm

Omackeral wrote: »

In my opinion it is outrageous. I didn't spell it out like. In my opinion it is outrageous. My opinion. I'll be sure to use that qualifier anytime I engage with you in future. Again, it was my opinion... and also the opinion of >95% of the posters here too. A general consensus you might say.

Also, nothing can be outrageous as a matter of fact so your whole argument is pretty moot. It's implied that it's an opinion. But you already know that.

Now, how's that for pedantry?

Disappointing. You’re not going to actually debate the issue you’re just going to call me petty or a pedant. Grand. I’ll move on.

The Pheasant2 · 05-01-2019 10:32pm

Brian? wrote: »

That’s actually an interesting point. Can you explain.

You think I should adopt a moral stance on all subjects?

No you needn't take a moral stance on anything.

But your reluctance to engage with the potential moral component of this issue on the basis that this is legal and therefore unnecessary to discuss in relation to morality, is intellectual cowardice yeah.

Legislators are not some omniscient benevolent force - do some thinking for yourself for **** sake

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:32pm

Brian? wrote: »

I doubt it. You’ll all go back to agreeing to be outraged

Yeah, cos it's outrageous. Shure we'll get your two boys out to do a bit of twerking at the next Pride event. It'll be great.

Brian? · 05-01-2019 10:33pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Genuinely scary. I sincerely hope you're ripping the p*ss.

Grow up.

05-01-2019 10:33pm

I'm trying to understand Brians view on this...... Maybe we have got him wrong.
I don't know.

If a young lad wants to dress as a girl & perform like his favorite female singer.... Then yea, grand, go for it.
In private though, for family etc. Put on a bit of a show, grand. Kids love dressing up etc

This case is different though, he is performing in a grown up club, sexually dancing, & it's not just this particular video that's the problem, it's all the other things too. Twerking at a gay pride parade? Acting like a sexualized adult?
His parents allow this, & actively encourage it?

It is a child protection issue. Gay, straight, whatever, it is over sexualizing a child.

batgoat · 05-01-2019 10:34pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

11 year old drag acts are not part of Gay Culture - a topic I suspect you know nothing about. Drag is.

I an Gay. I have a (now adult son), a 12 year old grand-daughter and a 9 year old grandson.
Back in the day if my son wanted to do drag I would have said sure - you can practice at home. Even do little shows at home for adult friends (would have made a refreshing change from his bizarre puppet shows).

No way in hell would he have been allowed into a club (gay or straight) to perform until he was at least 17. And that I would have taken a lot of convincing.

One of my grandchildren on a stage in a nightclub behaving any way sexually would be over my dead body.

Yep, this sort of strikes me in the same vein as child beauty contests and teenagers going go-go dancing. It's incredibly bad parenting to send their kids out to clubs doing this stuff but it's not got anything to do with being LGBT.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:36pm

Brian? wrote: »

Why does that make them ducked up?

Why does introducing your 3 year old as gay make you f*cked up? Jesus.

Now my opinion (again, my opinion) is that you willfully see f*ck all wrong with this whole nightclub thing in the name of being progressive but also you're doubling down on the outlandish comments to kind of mask it. So now people will say ah he's only ripping the p*ss. You're not though. You honestly believe, or want to be seen to believe, that the story on topic here is fine.

The Talking Bread · 05-01-2019 10:36pm

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Brian, if, hypothetically that was your son up there? Would you be comfortable. Apologies if this has been questioned before?

Brian? wrote: »

I don’t know. I’m not avoiding the question. I actually have 2 sons both younger than this boy.

I do know they wouldn’t be allowed be out that late.

He says, whilt avoiding the question.

If it were a show on at 5 in the afternoon would you allow them to dress prance around half naked or dress up in womens clothes in a room of gay men throwing money his way?

Do you not see the sexualisation here?!

Brian? · 05-01-2019 10:37pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

No you needn't take a moral stance on anything.

Ok. Valid point.

But your reluctance to engage with the potential moral component of this issue on the basis that this is legal and therefore unnecessary to discuss in relation to morality, is intellectual cowardice yeah.

Legislators are not some omniscient benevolent force - do some thinking for yourself for **** sake

I actually don’t think it intellectual cowardice to be honest. It’s intellectual ambivalence at worst. I don’t feel the need to take a moral stance on the issue.

Are you saying everyone should force themselves to think critically up to the point where they take a moral stance? Generally interested

_Kaiser_ · 05-01-2019 10:38pm

Brian? wrote: »

Disappointing. You’re not going to actually debate the issue you’re just going to call me petty or a pedant. Grand. I’ll move on.

Please do.

Either...

1) You genuinely see no issue here with the exploitation of a vulnerable child for the sexual titilation of grown adults

or

2) You're on a wind-up and trying to get posters sactioned/thread closed by acting "offended" when people call out your "position" for what it is

Either way, I don't think anyone will miss these contributions.

batgoat · 05-01-2019 10:38pm

Cool Air wrote: »

Yeah I get you. I was just mocking the 'woke' types and how they'll try to guilt the rest of us into accepting this.

I have no doubt normal gay people are disgusted by this.

No, the dreaded woke types for the most wouldn't like condone this sort of ****.

Brian? · 05-01-2019 10:39pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Why does introducing your 3 year old as gay make you f*cked up? Jesus.

Now my opinion (again, my opinion) is that you willfully see f*ck all wrong with this whole nightclub thing in the name of being progressive but also you're doubling down on the outlandish comments to kind of mask it. So now people will say ah he's only ripping the p*ss. You're not though. You honestly believe, or want to be seen to believe, that the story on topic here is fine.

I don’t see anything to be outraged by. I made that very clear from the beginning. I’m sorry if you missed that.

The Pheasant2 · 05-01-2019 10:41pm

Brian? wrote: »

Are you saying everyone should force themselves to think critically up to the point where they take a moral stance? Generally interested

Nope. You literally quoted in your post where I said you needn't take a moral stance at all - I'm saying not engaging with an issue because you think (rightly or wrongly) it might require the adoption of a moral stance is cowardly

Brian? · 05-01-2019 10:42pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Please do.

Either...

1) You genuinely see no issue here with the exploitation of a vulnerable child for the sexual titilation of grown adults

As I said, I don’t believe the child is being exploited for the sexual titilation of adults.

If I did I would say it’s wrong and also be angry.

Gay men are not aroused by children any more than straight men or women are aroused by children.
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Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:42pm

Here's the number for the Department of Social Protection if you think someone you know might be open to letting their children gyrate on a stage for tips for a group of adults

(01) 462 9400

Brian? · 05-01-2019 10:44pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Nope. You literally quoted in your post where I said you needn't take a moral stance at all - I'm saying not engaging with an issue because you think (rightly or wrongly) it might require the adoption of a moral stance is cowardly

Ok. Fair enough. Let me think about that.

Gatling · 05-01-2019 10:45pm

Brian? wrote: »

As I said, I don’t believe the child is being exploited for the sexual titilation of adults.

If I did I would say it’s wrong and also be angry.

Gay men are not aroused by children any more than straight men or women are aroused by children.
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But some are actually aroused by children ?

FTA69 · 05-01-2019 10:45pm

Probably has been said already but just wanted to point out this is degenerate nonce behaviour and the young lad’s parents need a box.

Bannasidhe · 05-01-2019 10:45pm

batgoat wrote: »

Yep, this sort of strikes me in the same vein as child beauty contests and teenagers going go-go dancing. It's incredibly bad parenting to send their kids out to clubs doing this stuff but it's not got anything to do with being LGBT.

Absolutely.
The so-called Beauty Pagents give me the heebie geebies.

Trying to find clothes for my granddaughter that weren't all cutesy with a touch of sexy but were warm and gave her the option of climbing a tree or kicking a ball or being in anyway physically active used to drive me to distraction.
People would say - oh, your dressing your granddaughter like a boy because you are a lesbian (wut?!?). It was even suggested I was trying to turn her into a lesbian (WUT?!?!). She was wearing jeans and wellies ffs because she liked playing outside.

I hate the sexualisation of children. Let them be children.

Gatling · 05-01-2019 10:45pm

Actually why was a mod warning put in place can anyone tell me

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:46pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

"The truth is, Desmond is a professional drag performer. No one forces him to perform, performing is what he loves to do and has always loved to do."

The truth is, Desmond is a child and is gyrating and twerking in front of adult customers while being let down monumentally by his parents.

tayto lover · 05-01-2019 10:48pm

Zorya wrote: »

Have you seen other threads on transgender children. There are more than one or two on boards who believe in very few limits to what children can do. There is quite a cohort actually.

Sick people everywhere. That's why children have to be protected. There's a cohort trying very hard to pull down the boundaries. We all need to be alert.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:48pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Probably has been said already but just wanted to point out this is degenerate nonce behaviour and the young lad’s parents need a box.

That's really the whole lot summed up.

/thread

The Talking Bread · 05-01-2019 10:48pm

Brian? wrote: »

Why do you think it’s wrong?

You think it's wrong also. I can guarantee you you do. You are just looking to be the thread protagonist at this stage. Sadly it is working.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 05-01-2019 10:48pm

Brian? wrote: »

I don’t think they less sexualised. They just confirm to heterosexual norms in terms of sexualisation.

They are less sexualised. No half naked twerking. The bill Barry kids aren’t sexualised at all. They just perform.

I was being a bit glib in my argument. But I firmly believe what really makes people uncomfortable is the face it’s a young boy and gay audiences. It grates against current social norms. There is still a wide spread association between bring gay and being a pederast, which is completely inaccurate.

What makes people uncomfortable is the hyper sexualisation of the child, not “heterosexual norms”. Whatever that means.

silverharp · 05-01-2019 10:49pm

Brian? wrote: »

So I’m insane by your implication?

i reminded of Dara O'Briain's comment "There's a line in the sand and you can't even see the line in the sand!" :pac:

Dr_serious2 · 05-01-2019 10:49pm

Brian? wrote: »

Define predators?

Boards.ie should really consider if Brian is the type of person they should have 'moderating' topics like this.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:49pm

Brian? wrote: »

Define predators?

Like Aliens, but with dreadlocks.

FTA69 · 05-01-2019 10:49pm

Brian? wrote: »

Why do you think it’s wrong?

Because it’s the sexualisation of a child for f*ck’s sake. During one act he was mimicking a stripper and the crowd were throwing dollar bills at him, at 4am in the morning.

Is that the sort of environment you think an 11 year old should be in? Come on man. If it was a little girl parading on stage too to hooting men throwing money at her I’d be equally as disgusted.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 10:50pm

Omackeral wrote: »

The truth is, Desmond is a child and is gyrating and twerking in front of adult customers while being let down monumentally by his parents.

That's your version of events that doesn't make it the facts or the truth in this case. Despite what you may believe the truth or facts of the situation are.

Brian? · 05-01-2019 10:50pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

They are less sexualised. No half naked twerking. The bill Barry kids aren’t sexualised at all. They just perform.

What makes people uncomfortable is the hyper sexualisation of the child, not “heterosexual norms”. Whatever that means.

I was joking about the Billy Barry kids.

You seem interested in genuine debate, unlike most. But I’m too tired. So I’ll apologise and leave it here. Sorry.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:50pm

The Talking Bread wrote: »

You think it's wrong also. I can guarantee you you do. You are just looking to be the thread protagonist at this stage. Sadly it is working.

''Answering'' a straight up question with a question instead of just having the courtesy to oblige.

Ultros · 05-01-2019 10:51pm

Some real twisted sickos in this world, I think this thread is evidence of that.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:51pm

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Boards.ie should really consider if Brian is the type of person they should have 'moderating' topics like this.

He's not moderating this, thankfully. Would be very worrying if he was.

Brian? · 05-01-2019 10:51pm

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Boards.ie should really consider if Brian is the type of person they should have 'moderating' topics like this.

I don’t moderate topics like this. Thankfully.

So you can calm that bit of outrage down.

The Talking Bread · 05-01-2019 10:53pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Maybe because it's what he wants to do and he's pursuing that by performing as a drag queen.

"The truth is, Desmond is a professional drag performer. No one forces him to perform, performing is what he loves to do and has always loved to do."

Ha! You honestly believe a kid that has just turned 11, has been proclaimed by his parents as gay from the age of 3 and moulded into this lifestyle of crossdressing and dancing half naked in gay nightclubs has had no inkling of influence by a certain 2 people in his life!

Brian? · 05-01-2019 10:53pm

The Talking Bread wrote: »

You think it's wrong also. I can guarantee you you do. You are just looking to be the thread protagonist at this stage. Sadly it is working.

I’m off to sleep. That’s what I think.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:53pm

Omackeral wrote: »

The truth is, Desmond is a child and is gyrating and twerking in front of adult customers while being let down monumentally by his parents.

DontThankMe wrote: »

That's your version of events that doesn't make it the facts or the truth in this case. Despite what you may believe the truth or facts of the situation are.

Actually, the first part is pretty much absolute fact. He's a child. He's twerking in front of adult customers. They are facts whether you or the questionable Brian like it or not. The second part about his folks letting him down is my opinion.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 10:55pm

Brian? wrote: »

I was joking about the Billy Barry kids.

You seem interested in genuine debate, unlike most. But I’m too tired. So I’ll apologise and leave it here. Sorry.

That auld tolerance takes it out of you! Sweet dreams of twerking kids pal.

Dr_serious2 · 05-01-2019 10:55pm

Brian? wrote: »

I don’t moderate topics like this. Thankfully.

So you can calm that bit of outrage down.

Do I sound outraged? Opinions are all valid to a point, but it shows a very worrying side to your personality that you are defending that video. I would question anyone who thinks that it is reasonable behaviour and I would hate to think that they have the power to moderate any conversation when their worldview is so skewed. Sickening.

Brian? · 05-01-2019 10:56pm

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Do I sound outraged? Opinions are all valid to a point, but it shows a very worrying side to your personality that you are defending that video. I would question anyone who thinks that it is reasonable behaviour and I would hate to think that they have the power to moderate any conversation when their worldview is so skewed. Sickening.

Yes. You do sound outraged. The “sickening” at the end is a real give away.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 10:57pm

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Ha! You honestly believe a kid that has just turned 11, has been proclaimed by his parents as gay from the age of 3 and moulded into this lifestyle of crossdressing and dancing half naked has had no inkling of influence by a certain 2 people in his life!

Yes I do, how do you know he hasn't been doing some kind of performance from an early age? and now he has been given the opportunity to perform for other people and potentially earn a living from it. You're assuming his parents are responsible for all of this yet you have no proof of this, why is it so hard for people to believe that this is what he wants to do and isn't being forced into doing it by his parents.

11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

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