Gordon Elliott

realdanbreen · 01-03-2021 11:45pm

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

From the horses point of view, that would be a good thing!

Thoroughbred horses probably enjoy a better quality of life than many humans do in certain parts of the world. A keen horse will be raring to go when he gets to the racetrack, its what they are bred and trained to do.

flos1964 · 01-03-2021 11:51pm

Only a small percentage make it to the racecourse...

celt262 · 01-03-2021 11:51pm

Augme wrote: »

Good to see Elliot finally hired a few professional PR people to look after him.

Looks like they will be doing lots of overtime !

leko99 · 02-03-2021 12:10am

Theres a cattle prod video and a video of a jockey at another yard on a dead horse in circulation.

02-03-2021 12:15am

realdanbreen wrote: »

Apart from the photo is it the fact that Elliot built his yard and his success from scratch that bothers you. As for the O,learys , if it wasn't for the like of them and Jp and Barry Connell there wouldn't be a horse racing industry.

There was no horse racing before Michael O'Leary. Jesus I've heard it all now.

realdanbreen · 02-03-2021 12:25am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There was no horse racing before Michael O'Leary. Jesus I've heard it all now.

I take it English isn't your first language otherwise you would have understood my post.

Shemale · 02-03-2021 12:30am

The Rooster wrote: »

Elliott comments to Racing Post:

“It is indefensible. Whether alive or dead, the horse was entitled to dignity. A moment of madness that I am going to have to spend the rest of my life paying for and that my staff are suffering for.
"

Boo hoo, woe is me. I used to be a street urchin and I dreamed of one day sitting on a dead horse and getting my picture taken and sending it to friends for a laugh, someone sent it around and now I feel like a victim, I love horses.

Your mate Gordie xxx

leko99 · 02-03-2021 12:34am

The video doing the rounds is worse. Be prepared for a **** storm

Andrew00 · 02-03-2021 12:36am

Disgusting video

Dr. Bre · 02-03-2021 12:38am

leko99 wrote: »

The RJ video doing the rounds is worse. Be prepared for a **** storm

Who’s

leko99 · 02-03-2021 12:39am

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Who’s

https://mobile.twitter.com/AshBeeGeeGees/status/1366531032321777664?s=19

Dwarf.Shortage · 02-03-2021 12:50am

Are initials? Don’t recognise him

lemush · 02-03-2021 12:53am

Mod Snip

Clique · 02-03-2021 12:58am

A disgusting looking picture, indefensible really. Sanctions for it, who knows but according to some the Cheveley horses are already signed off to De Bromhead and GE has told owners he expects to lose his licence for a certain amount of time not specified.

That second video is absolutely shocking altogether and it actually shows them physically hopping on and laughing. I genuinely hoped that the GE pic was just one of those moments where someone took a pic at the complete wrong time but all that was washed away with his terrible PR reply last night.

A rough time awaits the sport these next few weeks as God only knows what pics and vids will surface.

leko99 · 02-03-2021 1:02am

Clique wrote: »

A disgusting looking picture, indefensible really. Sanctions for it, who knows but according to some the Cheveley horses are already signed off to De Bromhead and GE has told owners he expects to lose his licence for a certain amount of time not specified.

That second video is absolutely shocking altogether and it actually shows them physically hopping on and laughing. I genuinely hoped that the GE pic was just one of those moments where someone took a pic at the complete wrong time but all that was washed away with his terrible PR reply last night.

A rough time awaits the sport these next few weeks as God only knows what pics and vids will surface.

There is a video of GE using a cattle prod on a horse. When it gets shared its game over completely for him.

Panrich · 02-03-2021 1:05am

I’m not sure if it’s just some pleb jumping on the bandwagon who released that new video but you’d hope that it’s not going to turn into a free for all.

Racing will be left reeling if this becomes a trend. I’m sure that there’s plenty enough gob****es out there who have been misbehaving to keep Twitter going for enough time to permanently damage the industry.

Richmond Ultra · 02-03-2021 1:10am

Clique wrote: »

A disgusting looking picture, indefensible really. Sanctions for it, who knows but according to some the Cheveley horses are already signed off to De Bromhead and GE has told owners he expects to lose his licence for a certain amount of time not specified.

That second video is absolutely shocking altogether and it actually shows them physically hopping on and laughing. I genuinely hoped that the GE pic was just one of those moments where someone took a pic at the complete wrong time but all that was washed away with his terrible PR reply last night.

A rough time awaits the sport these next few weeks as God only knows what pics and vids will surface.

Well he can always apply for the bar licence if he loses the horse one for a while,

Shemale · 02-03-2021 1:15am

Mod snip

kerry cow · 02-03-2021 1:17am

what about the poor people sleeping on the streets of dublin ,
nothing thought of humans been pissed by our state.
I be more worried about the dying citizen than making a big story out of a dead horse .
at this stage get over it .

Shemale · 02-03-2021 1:20am

kerry cow wrote: »

what about the poor people sleeping on the streets of dublin ,
nothing thought of humans been pissed by our state.
I be more worried about the dying citizen than making a big story out of a dead horse .
at this stage get over it .

Wrong forum.

shocksy · 02-03-2021 1:25am

kerry cow wrote: »

what about the poor people sleeping on the streets of dublin ,
nothing thought of humans been pissed by our state.
I be more worried about the dying citizen than making a big story out of a dead horse .
at this stage get over it .

Is that you Gordon?

Disgusting behavioir and you're just as bad as him with a response like that. Get off this forum. You're not welcome here. :mad::mad::mad:

Francie Barrett · 02-03-2021 1:31am

leko99 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/AshBeeGeeGees/status/1366531032321777664?s=19

Awful, no grounds for ambiguity there.

NomadicGray · 02-03-2021 1:34am

Panrich wrote: »

I’m not sure if it’s just some pleb jumping on the bandwagon who released that new video but you’d hope that it’s not going to turn into a free for all.

Racing will be left reeling if this becomes a trend. I’m sure that there’s plenty enough gob****es out there who have been misbehaving to keep Twitter going for enough time to permanently damage the industry.

That wouldn't be twitters fault

shocksy · 02-03-2021 1:37am

Warned for calling it as I see it. More useless moderating just like in other forums on this site. What a joke of a website this has become.

EICVD · 02-03-2021 1:40am

Wtf is going on? Seems someone or more than one person is out to ruin racing & not just a certain trainer now. I’m absolutely disgusted, I grew up with this sport & I really do feel like this is the beginning of the end. The excitement of two weeks time is draining. In saying that, those photos & videos should be released so we know just what those individuals really are like. Just hope it doesn’t ruin the decent ones in the game from doing what they love.

Larbre34 · 02-03-2021 1:47am

realdanbreen wrote: »

So basically you have6a clue what's happening lol

Hi Gordon.

And yes, I do have a clue whats happening.

Anniepowaaa · 02-03-2021 1:50am

EICVD wrote: »

Wtf is going on? Seems someone or more than one person is out to ruin racing & not just a certain trainer now. I’m absolutely disgusted, I grew up with this sport & I really do feel like this is the beginning of the end. The excitement of two weeks time is draining. In saying that, those photos & videos should be released so we know just what those individuals really are like. Just hope it doesn’t ruin the decent ones in the game from doing what they love.

get a grip there's weeds in all walks of life and the sooner there removed the better for all

MrMusician18 · 02-03-2021 2:07am

leko99 wrote: »

There is a video of GE using a cattle prod on a horse. When it gets shared its game over completely for him.

Aren't prods illegal now?

dickdasr1234 · 02-03-2021 3:05am

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Aren't prods illegal now?

Nah, sure aren't we all just Christians?

kowloonkev · 02-03-2021 3:17am

shocksy wrote: »

Is that you Gordon?

Disgusting behavioir and you're just as bad as him with a response like that. Get off this forum. You're not welcome here. :mad::mad::mad:

If this is 'your' forum and you participate in the racing industry in any way then what right do you really have to call out others on such issues?

i don't get the expectation for people involved in any industry that exploits animals for profit to be saintly. it's not the abuse or exploitation of animals that upsets you if you are a participant in horse racing industry; what offends you is having to see it.

The Mig · 02-03-2021 9:02am

Mod Note

I’m aware of a video now doing the rounds on social media. Please do not post the name of who you think it is or may well be or where the video was potentially taken. Thanks

realdanbreen · 02-03-2021 9:20am

flos1964 wrote: »

Only a small percentage make it to the racecourse...

Of thoroughbred horses ??

The Tetrarch · 02-03-2021 9:31am

flos1964 wrote: »

Only a small percentage make it to the racecourse...

69.4% is the small percentage that started of 399,121 foals, 1987-1996 for USA, Europe, Japan
(Jockey Club Information Systems database, published in the Thoroughbred Times, quoted in the book Racehorse Breeding Theories by Frank Mitchell).

EICVD · 02-03-2021 9:39am

Anniepowaaa wrote: »

get a grip there's weeds in all walks of life and the sooner there removed the better for all

I’ve pretty much said in that post get the weeds out FFS

flos1964 · 02-03-2021 9:45am

The Tetrarch wrote: »

69.4% is the small percentage that started of 399,121 foals, 1987-1996 for USA, Europe, Japan
(Jockey Club Information Systems database, published in the Thoroughbred Times, quoted in the book Racehorse Breeding Theories by Frank Mitchell).

Sorry i was mistaking it with winners...apologies...

Motivator · 02-03-2021 9:49am

flos1964 wrote: »

Sorry i was mistaking it with winners...apologies...

The stat is a few years old now but I can’t see there being much variance in it but only 3% of horses that make it to the track actually win a race.

D9Male · 02-03-2021 9:54am

That can't be right. It would suggest 33 runners per race minimum.

3% of horses might win a race, not 3% of horses that make it to the track.

dickdasr1234 · 02-03-2021 10:09am

D9Male wrote: »

That can't be right. It would suggest 33 runners per race minimum.

3% of horses might win a race, not 3% of horses that make it to the track.

Holymudderagod, maybe you can avail of special covid rates for a maths grind.

The Tetrarch · 02-03-2021 10:13am

Motivator wrote: »

The stat is a few years old now but I can’t see there being much variance in it but only 3% of horses that make it to the track actually win a race.

Winners/Foals 46.1%; Winners/Starters 66.4%
399,121 foals, 1987-1996 for USA, Europe, Japan
(Jockey Club Information Systems database, published in the Thoroughbred Times, quoted in the book Racehorse Breeding Theories by Frank Mitchell).

The Tetrarch · 02-03-2021 10:24am

You might think the Winners/Starters figure of two winners out of every three starters is high, but think about it.
If a starter does not win its first race, a maiden race, he/she will not meet the horse that won that race in another maiden as the winner is no longer a maiden.
The losers are still maidens, and they will take part in another maiden race.
Towards the end of the year many of the maiden races will be filled with maidens who have failed four or five times.
A horse with any ability should probably be able to beat habitual losers.

flos1964 · 02-03-2021 10:35am

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Winners/Foals 46.1%; Winners/Starters 66.4%
399,121 foals, 1987-1996 for USA, Europe, Japan
(Jockey Club Information Systems database, published in the Thoroughbred Times, quoted in the book Racehorse Breeding Theories by Frank Mitchell).

Did not think it was even close to that...thank you.

02-03-2021 10:39am

its all over the British media this morning, along with the latest video. I'm delighted this is getting the coverage it needs. Gordon Elliotts name will be synonymous with these photos forever! One was him atop a dead horse, another one of his jockeys atop a dead horse. Despicable stuff.

th hen · 02-03-2021 10:41am

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/irish-horseracing-regulatory-board-to-investigate-disturbing-social-media-video/475907

robbiezero · 02-03-2021 10:55am

Deleted User wrote: »

its all over the British media this morning, along with the latest video. I'm delighted this is getting the coverage it needs. Gordon Elliotts name will be synonymous with these photos forever! One was him atop a dead horse, another one of his jockeys atop a dead horse. Despicable stuff.

Not his jockey in fairness.

Bobeagleburger · 02-03-2021 10:55am

th hen wrote: »

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/irish-horseracing-regulatory-board-to-investigate-disturbing-social-media-video/475907

Ffs.

This is awful.

Sky News covering this new video.

D9Male · 02-03-2021 10:57am

dickdasr1234 wrote: »

Holymudderagod, maybe you can avail of special covid rates for a maths grind.

Bear with me so, Stephen Hawkins....

https://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2021/0129/1193857-hri-publishes-statistics-for-2020/

In 2020, there were 7,392 individual horses to race in Ireland. And there were 1,855 individual winners. This means that 25% of horses to see the track last year won. Now these stats are for one year (not a lifetime), but I would estimate the actual figure is not far from 25%, and certainly not as low as 3%.

JK2503 · 02-03-2021 10:58am

The pictures are in poor taste and shows a lack of judgement, there is no suggestion that Gordon Elliot was ever cruel to an animal. This however is not the verdict of the trial by social media. I wish some people would show as much compassion for the rest of the human race.

Motivator · 02-03-2021 11:05am

I have a feeling this could end badly if people don’t relax with the hatred being spread online. If it is Rob James in the video, his career is finished and to be honest that’s punishment enough for him. We’re all well aware of the mental fragilities of jockeys in Ireland and that would now be a concern if he keeps getting hammered and his name dragged through the domestic and international media.

What he did was absolutely unbelievable and he deserves whatever punishment is coming his way, the only punishment I see fit is that he’s banned effective immediately but some of the stuff on twitter about him is madness. He’s finished in the industry, leave it at that. We don’t need a tragedy on top of all this as a consequence of Twitter and the media pushing someone to the brink.

02-03-2021 11:16am

Lets be honest, if no one said anything online it would just be swept under the carpet. Of course people are angry. The "mental health" flag gets waved far too much and is used as a shield to hide behind. It's ridiculous. There is a difference between abuse and robust criticism, but some try and conflate the two to prevent the latter. We have seen this recently with your woman Bailey.

There is nothing to suggest that any of the highlighted actions were the product of someone suffering from mental illness. I'm sorry, but "I got caught and feel bad about being criticized for actions that deserve criticism, so stop criticizing" doesn't fly with me.

Abuse is different, as I said, so that should stop.

tayto lover · 02-03-2021 11:16am

leko99 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/AshBeeGeeGees/status/1366531032321777664?s=19

Those lads should never be allowed near horses again. Disgusting.

Gordon Elliott

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