Injured/Retired

diomed · 17-12-2017 8:04pm

Please no more comments about the posts by ANDREWMUFC.
I have sent him a PM.

diomed · 17-12-2017 8:16pm

Perhaps posters are unaware how horse trainers operate.
Douvan is entered in five races, three of those at Cheltenham.
It is usual practice for horse trainers to multi-enter horses in races, many months in advance.
A trainer may enter multiple horses in one race.
The decision about which race a horse runs in depends on training, unknowable factors such as the going on the day, and opposition in the race.

DubInTheWest · 17-12-2017 8:16pm

Ah poor oul Willie. At least he done us the favour of telling us the horse is out/injured, more than he done at Cheltenham when he let it run while no where near right and costing punters. A friend of mine had a 5K double Altior and Douvan at Chelt. Guy is pretty shrewd and has some connections and doesn't bat an eyelid if one of his bets go down. But afterwards it was trickling from the Mullins stable that staff weren't surprised when it was beaten as Douvan wasn't right. Should never have run at Cheltenham.

I'll give Mullins one thing though, when he tells an owner a horse will win it usually does. Another mate had some horses with him for a number of years and we'd back them throughout the day say at prices of 9/4 (guide price) it would return 7/2 - 4/1 at the off and p!ss up. I'm not sure if all prices go like that but we noticed once the 'owner' money was down, after that the price would drift big time.

diomed · 17-12-2017 8:22pm

DubInTheWest
Nice to hear your stories. No facts, just stories.
Perhaps you would go to the Forum Charter and read the After Timing thread

READ THIS-After Timing
After timing extremely annoying
Please don't come into a thread after the race has been run and say 'Aw get in had 20 on him'' ''Backed him at 9/2 this morning '' unless you have mentioned it beforehand.
There will be warning slaps and bans it's incredibly annoying

I'm just bumping this thread to yet again remind people, both regular and not-so-regular posters, to please stop after timing. It's extremely annoying to everyone. Final warning. Infractions will follow from now on.

Slattsy · 17-12-2017 9:08pm

Copper_pipe wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RacingPost/status/925032699798147073

They'll get very little sympathy from me.

Filth.

ANDREWMUFC · 17-12-2017 9:08pm

It’s rumbled quite a few

famagusta · 17-12-2017 9:10pm

Ya Ruby was on itv yesterday saying he was the finest

Slattsy · 17-12-2017 9:12pm

His connection with PP stink.

Motivator · 17-12-2017 9:22pm

DubInTheWest wrote: »

Ah poor oul Willie. At least he done us the favour of telling us the horse is out/injured, more than he done at Cheltenham when he let it run while no where near right and costing punters. A friend of mine had a 5K double Altior and Douvan at Chelt. Guy is pretty shrewd and has some connections and doesn't bat an eyelid if one of his bets go down. But afterwards it was trickling from the Mullins stable that staff weren't surprised when it was beaten as Douvan wasn't right. Should never have run at Cheltenham.

Your friend might have had the bet, I can’t say he did or he didn’t, but your comments about the staff in Mullins’ yard is wrong information or is just a blatant lie by you.

Are you seriously trying to say that the horse was injured but Ricci and Mullins ran him anyway? And that staff in Mullins’ yard knew about Douvan being injured? Some of the stuff spouted on here about Willie Mullins is just incredible.

I don’t agree with some of the stuff that goes on regarding transparency and ante post markets etc. but some of the stuff that’s written her is unbelievable.

Finally, my biggest gripe with all of the carry on with Douvan and the Tingle Creek last year and this year and what happened in the Champion Chase is with Ruby Walsh. He said himself the horse wasn’t travelling about 1 mile out but he rode him out instead of pulling him up. He had no reason to keep driving him into fences when he had clearly hurt himself.

DubInTheWest · 17-12-2017 11:57pm

Motivator wrote: »

Your friend might have had the bet, I can’t say he did or he didn’t, but your comments about the staff in Mullins’ yard is wrong information or is just a blatant lie by you.

Are you seriously trying to say that the horse was injured but Ricci and Mullins ran him anyway? And that staff in Mullins’ yard knew about Douvan being injured? Some of the stuff spouted on here about Willie Mullins is just incredible.

I don’t agree with some of the stuff that goes on regarding transparency and ante post markets etc. but some of the stuff that’s written her is unbelievable.

Finally, my biggest gripe with all of the carry on with Douvan and the Tingle Creek last year and this year and what happened in the Champion Chase is with Ruby Walsh. He said himself the horse wasn’t travelling about 1 mile out but he rode him out instead of pulling him up. He had no reason to keep driving him into fences when he had clearly hurt himself.

My comments are not wrong and why would I lie ? The horse wasn't right and they ran him end of. Obviously they thought even if he wasn't 100% he'd win. It was wrong to run him. This was well known in the hours afterwards. Here's a snippet of it >> https://www.racingpost.com/news/owner-ricci-says-mullins-team-were-never-happy-with-douvan-last-season/308305

Look I don't claim to know everything about racing. In fact I couldn't care less about Douvan, Altior, Faugheen or any horse for that matter. When I owned horses back in the good oul days, I cared for my horses while I owned them, not because I loved them but because I wanted to earn a few quid off of them. As soon as they moved on, or broke down on the gallops and were put down, that was it. I couldn't give a sh!t about racing to me its just a financial transaction but my whole point of posting in this thread was to say I just think it was very wrong of Mullins to run Douvan at Cheltenham when he wasn't right. I'm not saying the horse was down and out injured when he ran but he wasn't right and something was definitely wrong and Mullins, Ricci and the staff knew about it. Punters put their faith in Mullins and the horse and were let down.

Some of you are just so over-sensitive about horses, remember, financial transactions is all they are.....

JJs Left Hand · 18-12-2017 12:16am

Ooo controversial..

diomed · 18-12-2017 3:55am

I want an end to comments about Douvan, Mullins, Walsh.
Posters might think they can make accusations.
If a poster libels someone the poster may have to defend their comments.
Boards.ie is not, and will not, be a platform for unfounded accusations.

The next poster to continue on this subject will be banned, and that includes any comments, direct or otherwise.

Posters ANDREWMUFC, DubInTheWest, Slattsy, JJs Left Hand do not post again on the subject.

Slattsy · 18-12-2017 9:42am

Christ

JJs Left Hand · 18-12-2017 9:48am

Seriously?

Francie Barrett · 18-12-2017 11:30am

This will probably earn me a holiday, but hopefully I am allowed to publish these comments from Ruby Walsh without comment.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/other/ruby-walsh-fingers-crossed-faugheen-will-make-cheltenham-festival-775831.html

"I saw him Saturday morning and he looked fine to me. He looked 100%," Walsh told Racing UK.

Hours before Faugheen was pulled from Cheltenham in February of this year.

https://www.racinguk.com/news/ruby-walsh-confident-of-recovering-in-time-to-make-festival-return

With a bit of luck we will see Douvan on the 27th at Leopardstown, I would imagine. I saw him on Saturday morning and he looked great.

Comments made 4 days before Douvan confirmed as missing the season.

hawaii501 · 18-12-2017 12:27pm

I also heard Douvan wasn't right on the day of the Champion Chase myself.

Was just told, he wasn't 100% as he had a niggle. It was more than niggle in the end.

Had him the 'easy' double with Altior the day before and a friend had a similar bet to the posters mate up above.

byronbay2 · 18-12-2017 12:49pm

hawaii501 wrote: »

I also heard Douvan wasn't right on the day of the Champion Chase myself.

Was just told, he wasn't 100% as he had a niggle. It was more than niggle in the end.

Of all the favourites at Cheltenham this year, Douvan was the strongest in the ring. Some 2/7 available early but 2/9, 1/5 was all that was available before the race. No bookie was willing to step out of line and lay Douvan.

You may have had some inside info from the stable but the betting on the race suggests that Mullins expected Douvan to win.

ziggy · 18-12-2017 1:10pm

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18-01-2018 10:33pm

Spot The Difference passed away today aged at a fine age of 25.

Will always remember the race where he collapsed after the line having won. Everyone feared the worst until he sprung back up to his feet.

RIP fella.

https://www.irishracing.com/news?headline=Spot-Thedifference-dies-at-the-age-of-25&prid=188642

BumperD · 18-01-2018 11:03pm

Legend of a horse I was there that day you could hear a pin drop no one went to the parade ring everybody waited for spot the cheer that went up when he got up was a warm and magical moment will never forget it

31-01-2018 9:37pm

Smad Place picked up a slight injury but enough to send him into retirement. Gave his owners some memorable days out, Hennessy and Cotswold Chaseamong the pick. Hadnt missed the Cheltenham festival in 8 years.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/hennessy-hero-smad-place-retired-due-to-injury/317736

Enjoy the retirement fella.

kfallon · 31-01-2018 11:48pm

Whisper out for rest of the season

krustydoyle · 09-02-2018 6:07pm

Fountains Windfall killed in a schooling accident today

Massimo Tara · 10-02-2018 5:05am

krustydoyle wrote: »

Fountains Windfall killed in a schooling accident today

Horrible news

jimjamcos · 14-02-2018 8:40pm

Conegree out for rest of season with stress fracture.

I know the Bradstocks have always said that his body is brittle but is it any wonder when Sarah rides him out every day?

If only the poor animal could talk :-D

The Mig · 09-04-2018 3:27pm

Cause of Causes retired

RivetingRoger · 17-04-2018 12:15pm

Cue Card retired, effective immediately

Legend.

His King George was an epic epic race, one for the ages
Had Vautour backed but still couldnt begrudge Cue Card

The day he beat Captain Chris was the day I fell in love with that horse, a true class act.

Still think he would have won the GC had he stayed up that day in 2016

kfallon · 19-04-2018 2:39pm

Our Duke died of a heart attack this morning

TheRiverman · 19-04-2018 3:34pm

kfallon wrote: »

Our Duke died of a heart attack this morning

There were signs this season and particularly after he was pulled up in Cheltenham that something was wrong.

Francie Barrett · 27-04-2018 11:24pm

Katie Walsh has retired - https://www.irishracing.com/news?headline=Katie-Walsh-bows-out-on-a-winner-&prid=190912

Between herself, Ted and Ruby, I am struggling to think of three immediate family members who were as good at their trade as they were.

BumperD · 28-04-2018 12:24am

Aidan o brien and his two sons? Willy Mullins and Patrick/ nephews?

BumperD · 28-04-2018 2:55pm

Add Tommy/Paul/Nina Carberry to that

Francie Barrett · 29-04-2018 12:53am

BumperD wrote: »

Aidan o brien and his two sons? Willy Mullins and Patrick/ nephews?

Ruby goes without saying. Ted was the top amateur rider of his generation, up there with Derek O' Connor, but people looking at him now would have no clue, no archive footage exists of him in the saddle. Katie was a very good amateur. All three together for me are better than any or the aforementioned.

It is funny you mentioned the O'Brien's. Personally, I always had a soft spot for Anne Marie O'Brien (neé Crowley) who should probably have ridden for longer than what she did, but she decided to have 4 sprogs. Her career was cut short, but for me, she was the most naturally gifted rider in the O'Brien clan.a

BumperD · 05-05-2018 8:41pm

Another milestone for the O Brien family with Donnacha winning the 2,000 Guineas

15-05-2018 10:21pm

Timmy Murphy packing it in at 43.

Was always a fan of his over the jumps.

https://www.irishracing.com/news?headline=Timmy-Murphy-announces-his-retirement&prid=191387

Francie Barrett · 17-05-2018 11:01am

Eddie Hales retiring - https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/from-racing-to-restaurateur-shock-departure-for-don-cossack-producer-hales/331801

This one surprised me a lot, having met Eddie, I thought he would be training horses until he died.

Francie Barrett · 06-06-2018 8:51pm

Denman put to sleep, surprised no one has mentioned it.

Francie Barrett · 06-06-2018 8:58pm

Djakadam retired - https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/two-time-gold-cup-runner-djakadam-retired-after-sustaining-injury-in-france/334259

paddyisreal · 06-06-2018 9:18pm

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Denman put to sleep, surprised no one has mentioned it.

What a horse, his performance in the hennesssey was as good as it got

I says · 10-07-2018 1:38pm

Finians Oscar dead from colic. Shame as he was getting his act together over fences.

Francie Barrett · 13-07-2018 11:29pm

Jim Culloty retires from training.

https://www.irishracing.com/news?headline=Culloty-to-leave-training-ranks&prid=192684

Was he the worst trainer to ever win a Gold Cup?

UrbanFret · 13-07-2018 11:49pm

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Jim Culloty retires from training.

https://www.irishracing.com/news?headline=Culloty-to-leave-training-ranks&prid=192684

Was he the worst trainer to ever win a Gold Cup?

Yes!

Dr. Bre · 13-07-2018 11:54pm

Probably the worst horse to win a gold cup

tryfix · 11-09-2018 6:22pm

Order Of St George has been retired. Trainer said time has caught up with him and he wouldn't be risked again on Sunday.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/aidan-obrien-hails-incredible-order-of-st-george-as-star-is-retired/345650

BumperD · 11-09-2018 6:47pm

A fine nh stallion propect , you’d think

UrbanFret · 11-09-2018 6:50pm

tryfix wrote: »

Order Of St George has been retired. Trainer said time has caught up with him and he wouldn't be risked again on Sunday.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/aidan-obrien-hails-incredible-order-of-st-george-as-star-is-retired/345650

"Age has caught up with him" he's six for God sake,another overhyped Ballydoyle inmate.

Dr. Bre · 11-09-2018 6:52pm

UrbanFret wrote: »

"Age has caught up with him" he's six for God sake,another overhyped Ballydoyle inmate.

Harsh!

BumperD · 11-09-2018 6:55pm

I’d take £2 million prize money of that hype anyway

Francie Barrett · 11-09-2018 8:38pm

UrbanFret wrote: »

"Age has caught up with him" he's six for God sake,another overhyped Ballydoyle inmate.

I am the first person to criticise horses being retired too early, but this comment is just wrong.

The horse has ran 25 times over that period at a high level, some of those races have been a slog over heavy going too. The manner of its defeat to Stradivarius last time out would suggest to me that the horse is a few lbs below its peak. Aidan is probably looking at it thinking, it's unlikely to win a high profile grade 1 again, and if it's not winning that sort of race, then there's no point continuing with it.

tryfix · 11-09-2018 10:30pm

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I am the first person to criticise horses being retired too early, but this comment is just wrong.

The horse has ran 25 times over that period at a high level, some of those races have been a slog over heavy going too. The manner of its defeat to Stradivarius last time out would suggest to me that the horse is a few lbs below its peak. Aidan is probably looking at it thinking, it's unlikely to win a high profile grade 1 again, and if it's not winning that sort of race, then there's no point continuing with it.

The horse had no improvement left in him and nothing left to prove, he goes to stud with a very impressive staying career behind him plus 3rd and 4th place finishes in the Arc. Ascot Gold Cup winning stayers make great NH stallions such as Kayf Tara, Yeats, Fame And Glory ( a big loss ).

Ballydoyle is a great stable for producing high class NH stallion prospects who are proven stayers who've also shown their durability. It's a great set up.