DNA Analysis

Lia_lia · 19-05-2017 2:52pm

dubhthach wrote: »

What part ofEngland is your father from? Many of British samples are going to have "Scandinavian" show up as a component.

https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2015/06/23/ancestrydna-the-viking-in-the-room/

With regards to the genetic communities they will give you a percentage on how accurate they think they are, do the Irish ones match up with your mother's known ancestry?

That's interesting. My Father's family are from Lancashire (north west England). My Mother is actually half English, I should have mentioned that. Her Mother is from London. Her father's family are from Kerry. So the Munster connection makes sense. Although it was 20% for each one. Not a huge chance but it does make sense!

I have an Irish surname (from my Dad's side) and they do have Irish ancestry.

My cousin in England was actually making a family tree of my Dad's side, so I really should get onto him about it.

BowWow · 19-05-2017 4:13pm

Lia_lia wrote: »

Got my Ancestry results today. My test was received on March 27th, results today.
Interesting enough!
Ireland 53%
Great Britain 21%
Scandinavia 15%
Italy/Greece 3%
Iberian peninsula 2%
Finland 2%
Europe East <1%
Middle East 2%
Caucasus <1%
For genetic communities I got: North Connacht, Munster Irish, Northern England, Southern Enland, English in West Midlands.

My Mother is Irish and Father is English. I want to do one with another company now..

Thanks for sharing - interesting they received your test on the 27th. March and its completed, mine is in since 24th March so hopefully I'll have it soon.

Instead of doing another test why don't you log your Gedcom file?

spurious · 19-05-2017 5:36pm

Hope all the folks here getting the DNA tests for genealogical reasons (no matter which company) are uploading them to GEDmatch and filling out a tree.

Lia_lia · 19-05-2017 7:38pm

Just uploaded to GEDmatch there.

Some good tests on it. Much more information.

googled eyes · 19-05-2017 8:40pm

So my test arrived with Ancestry on the 23rd of March, processing started on the 8th of May. Really hoping that the results come in soon.

JamboMac · 19-05-2017 8:43pm

What would you do if you found a brother or sister you didn't know about before this?

InTheTrees · 19-05-2017 10:43pm

Lia_lia wrote: »

Just uploaded to GEDmatch there.

Some good tests on it. Much more information.

What is "gedmatch" and how do I upload my results to it?

KildareFan · 19-05-2017 11:02pm

my results arrived at last - 78% Irish, 15% English, 2% Europe, 1% West Asia... so someone was traipsing around Turkey and Asia minor.

I'm surprised that most of the DNA matches from Ancestry are on my mother's side. I was getting a bit worried, but then found a match with a descendant of my dad's mother's line [phew!]. That was a woman born in the 1850s, ended up in West Virginia. So it does work...

spurious · 20-05-2017 12:09pm

InTheTrees wrote: »

What is "gedmatch" and how do I upload my results to it?

It's a free site https://www.gedmatch.com/login1.php where you can compare your DNA results with others, even if they did not take the same test as you.

I was tested under Family Tree DNA Autosomal tests, so I can only speak of it, but I would imagine the others have a similar procedure.

First you register and account on GEDMatch - it's free.
The next page you see will have an option 'Raw DNA file uploads'. They have detailed instructions on what to do for Ancestry, FTDNA, WeGene, MyHeritage results and another for 'generic' results.

When you upoload your results, give it a couple of days and it will match you to those already uploaded. The numbers are much larger than any of the individual companies databases, so you will get more results.

GEDMatch has a number of useful tools you can use, some at a small cost.

Their eye color prediction was scarily accurate in my case.

Lia_lia · 20-05-2017 12:41pm

spurious wrote: »

Their eye color prediction was scarily accurate in my case.

Same. Just logged in there and data has already been uploaded. Lots more matches. Thanks to the posters in this thread for making me aware of this..

Great info here about GEDmatch: Tip for using GEDmatch.

InTheTrees · 20-05-2017 1:05pm

Yes. GEDmatch looks great, I uploaded my Ancestry results last night.

Ipso · 20-05-2017 3:20pm

Also kits are assigned a prefix: A for uploads from Ancestry, M for 23and me and F or T from Family Tree DNA.

Wyldwood · 20-05-2017 10:13pm

For anyone who did Ancestry testing, as well as uploading the raw DNA data to Gedmatch, it's also worth uploading the results to FTDNA (Family Tree) in order to get as many matches as possible. It's free to upload the DNA results and you can upgrade fro $19 to unlock your ethnicity.

My big gripe is all those matches who don't bother to upload even a basic tree with family names. No hope of finding common ancestors if there are no clues given. Also, the number of people who don't reply to queries is frustrating, makes me wonder why they bother doing the DNA test.

JamboMac · 21-05-2017 10:11am

Got my DNA 92% Irish
4% Europe west
2% Great Britain
1% Finland/north west Russia
Less than 1% Scandinavia.

Really wish I had a better definition for Europe west.

jos28 · 21-05-2017 6:55pm

Posted mine off on 2nd April and just got the results.
Ethnicity Estimate
69% Ireland
29% Great Britain
2% Other regions

They've only listed one genetic community which is Munster (no surprise there). Do you have to have a full Ancestry subscription to make the most of the results. I've started messaging the suggested connections - got one back already. She's based in Montreal and I know exactly where she fits into my tree. I've also uploaded my results and tree up to Gedcom. Any advice would be much appreciated.

BowWow · 21-05-2017 7:03pm

jos28 wrote: »

Posted mine off on 2nd April and just got the results.
Ethnicity Estimate
69% Ireland
29% Great Britain
2% Other regions

They've only listed one genetic community which is Munster (no surprise there). Do you have to have a full Ancestry subscription to make the most of the results. I've started messaging the suggested connections - got one back already. She's based in Montreal and I know exactly where she fits into my tree. I've also uploaded my results and tree up to Gedcom. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Did your results arrive on a sunday?

jos28 · 21-05-2017 7:25pm

I'm not sure when they updated my profile with my results. I didn't get an email from Ancestry. I got back from holidays last night and just logged on today to check and there they were.

JamboMac · 21-05-2017 8:36pm

JamboMac wrote: »

Got my DNA 92% Irish
4% Europe west
2% Great Britain
1% Finland/north west Russia
Less than 1% Scandinavia.

Really wish I had a better definition for Europe west.

Had some fun with GedMatch, but don't understand some of it or what its telling me.

West european = 57.05
east european = 9.82
mediteranian = 24.29
west asia = 6.69
northeast asian = .32
south asian = 1.82

Anybody understand some of the gedmatch tools could explain what they are telling me.

Alicat · 22-05-2017 7:05am

Mine came through at 4 o'clock this morning! They must be working all hours.

Anyway, I'm pretty Irish. But I found the DNA connection for my poor orphaned, abandoned Nanny! Well worth the money already.

jos28 · 22-05-2017 8:16pm

Forgive me if sounds like a stupid question but I've only used Ancestry during 'free' offer times or briefly when I started researching. As I mentioned previously I have my DNA results, I've been messaging the suggested connections. I suppose I really need to see their trees to make the most of this. Can some kind person recommend which subscription would be best. I'll probably only subscribe for a month just to get what I need. Suggestions would be much appreciated.

InTheTrees · 22-05-2017 8:24pm

jos28 wrote: »

Forgive me if sounds like a stupid question but I've only used Ancestry during 'free' offer times or briefly when I started researching. As I mentioned previously I have my DNA results, I've been messaging the suggested connections. I suppose I really need to see their trees to make the most of this. Can some kind person recommend which subscription would be best. I'll probably only subscribe for a month just to get what I need. Suggestions would be much appreciated.

If you have your results I'd recommend giving GEDmatch a try.

I only heard about it from this thread so I'm only a novice but it's free so give it a try before paying at ancestry.

Wyldwood · 22-05-2017 8:58pm

jos28 wrote: »

Forgive me if sounds like a stupid question but I've only used Ancestry during 'free' offer times or briefly when I started researching. As I mentioned previously I have my DNA results, I've been messaging the suggested connections. I suppose I really need to see their trees to make the most of this. Can some kind person recommend which subscription would be best. I'll probably only subscribe for a month just to get what I need. Suggestions would be much appreciated.

If you're going for a subscription to Ancestry I'd recommend the Worldwide one as it gives you access to all the records across the globe. I'd also recommend uploading your raw DNA data to FTDNA, with a tree, for more hits.

jos28 · 22-05-2017 8:59pm

Cheers, I followed Gedcom instructions here yesterday so here's hoping something shows up there .

jos28 · 22-05-2017 9:00pm

Wyldwood wrote: »

If you're going for a subscription to Ancestry I'd recommend the Worldwide one as it gives you access to all the records across the globe. I'd also recommend uploading your raw DNA data to FTDNA, with a tree, for more hits.

Thanks Wyldwood, I'll definitely do that. Cheers

pinkypinky · 22-05-2017 9:47pm

Just make sure that you remember to cancel within the month so that you don't get into a rolling subscription. You're right, though, I hadn't considered that I wouldn't be able to make connections with the DNA results. I just sent in my sample yesterday so we'll see how long it takes. I suspect August based on what other people are reporting.

jos28 · 22-05-2017 10:05pm

Thanks Pinky, I've set the Google calendar to remind me to unsubscribe

Not having much luck ploughing through the connections yet but here's hoping.

pawrick · 23-05-2017 7:30pm

Got my ancestry results back last night

Ireland 83%
Great Britain 15%

Low Confidence Region
Iberian Peninsula 1%
Europe West 1%

Surprised Italian didn't show up seeing how I have a lot of Italians in my family tree but they are a good bit back in it so I assume have been diluted out on my side of the family.

Matched with the Irish in Galway DNA community which ties in with the Irish side alright and it found a coupe of 3rd cousins and lots of people further out.

RGM · 24-05-2017 5:33am

JamboMac wrote: »

Had some fun with GedMatch, but don't understand some of it or what its telling me.

West european = 57.05
east european = 9.82
mediteranian = 24.29
west asia = 6.69
northeast asian = .32
south asian = 1.82

Anybody understand some of the gedmatch tools could explain what they are telling me.

These numbers are meant to be ancient, as in all Europeans will turn up with some Asian in there. They're not meant to be taken at face value.

RGM · 24-05-2017 5:34am

Wyldwood wrote: »

My big gripe is all those matches who don't bother to upload even a basic tree with family names. No hope of finding common ancestors if there are no clues given. Also, the number of people who don't reply to queries is frustrating, makes me wonder why they bother doing the DNA test.

The vast majority of people testing at this point are doing it purely for the ethnicity percentages.

JamboMac · 24-05-2017 7:42am

RGM wrote: »

These numbers are meant to be ancient, as in all Europeans will turn up with some Asian in there. They're not meant to be taken at face value.

No i understand this one, but not some of the tools as their is zero explanation from it. Like in one it's telling me Amerindian at 1, I would assume that this couldn't be from all European settlers. If it's designed to point out Native American genes somewhere.

Maybe 1000 of years ago somehow or the tests are pretty much bull.

MAGZERFLOOD · 24-05-2017 9:36am

Dick Eastman's blog may be of interest to you:

https://blog.eogn.com/2017/05/23/can-ancestry-com-claim-ownership-of-your-dna-data/

srmf5 · 24-05-2017 11:40am

jos28 wrote: »

Forgive me if sounds like a stupid question but I've only used Ancestry during 'free' offer times or briefly when I started researching. As I mentioned previously I have my DNA results, I've been messaging the suggested connections. I suppose I really need to see their trees to make the most of this. Can some kind person recommend which subscription would be best. I'll probably only subscribe for a month just to get what I need. Suggestions would be much appreciated.

I'm currently just using the essentials subscription at about £10 per month so I can see trees and contact people. It's the cheapest subscription. I personally don't find Ancestry very good for Irish records. I don't want to pay extra for a worldwide subscription when I might never use it or just look at the odd record. My subscription is purely for use with my DNA results.

BowWow · 24-05-2017 8:19pm

Ireland 64%
Great Britain 25%
Scandinavia 5%
Low Confidence Region
Finland/Northwest Russia 3%
Europe East 2%
Europe West <1%

Ulster Irish Community - spot on with other research.

61 days from acknowledgement to results.

Now for GedMatch...

srmf5 · 24-05-2017 8:34pm

I got my results months ago but I might as well post what I got.

Ethnicity Estimate
Ireland 96%
Great Britain 2%
Finland/Northwest Russia 1%
Scandinavia <1%

Genetic Community
Connacht Irish (Very Likely 95%) broken down to:

North Connacht (Likely 60%)
Galway (Possible 20%)

My paternal aunt didn't have Finland or Scandinavia so that must come from my mum's side. The results are as expected. My family are all from Connacht.

Alicat · 24-05-2017 11:06pm

The frustration at having so many DNA matches... with no Family Tree....

I think the advertising push for the DNA testing (certainly from Ancestry) has brought a new wave of people who are obviously interested in genealogy but didn't realise that they would have to do some ground work too.

KildareFan · 25-05-2017 12:25am

Mine is much as expected:
78% Irish
15% British
6% European
1% West asian [Turkey, Armenia etc] - that's the bit I want to know more about.

My genetic community is north midlands, not surprising as 3 out of 4 grandparents came from Dublin/Meath/Westmeath. But no mention of the great granny who came from Inishbofin.

As with others, feeling frustrated with those who are linked, but no family tree put up, or family tree private or who use initials or aliases so you can't even guess where the relationship is. One very odd second cousin match with a V.H. who is linked with a tree managed by someone else. Someone else hasn't a clue who this VH is and how he/she came to be linked with their tree.

RGM · 25-05-2017 1:00am

srmf5 wrote: »

I got my results months ago but I might as well post what I got.

Ethnicity Estimate
Ireland 96%
Great Britain 2%
Finland/Northwest Russia 1%
Scandinavia <1%

Genetic Community
Connacht Irish (Very Likely 95%) broken down to:
North Connacht (Likely 60%)

Galway (Possible 20%)

My paternal aunt didn't have Finland or Scandinavia so that must come from my mum's side. The results are as expected. My family are all from Connacht.

It's common for anyone of Irish heritage to show small amounts of Scandinavian. It doesn't necessarily indicate a Scandinavian ancestor within a meaningful time frame. This goes for most small percentages that pop up.

If you have Irish heritage, you have Viking heritage as well. It's a certainty.

dubhthach · 25-05-2017 9:57am

There's also fact that trace regions might actually be noise. If you click on any component it will give you a range. So for example I have 89% Ireland, but the range is 77-100% -- they select the middle of the band.

Trace regions particulary those with >1% are often just noise.

RGM · 25-05-2017 1:11pm

dubhthach wrote: »

There's also fact that trace regions might actually be noise. If you click on any component it will give you a range. So for example I have 89% Ireland, but the range is 77-100% -- they select the middle of the band.

Trace regions particulary those with >1% are often just noise.

Fair point. In the case of Scandinavian traces in the Irish population though, I tend to think it's not a coincidence.

p15574 · 25-05-2017 5:07pm

Ancestry.com denies exploiting users' DNA
A leading genealogy service, Ancestry.com, has denied exploiting users' DNA following criticism of its terms and conditions.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40045942

srmf5 · 25-05-2017 6:59pm

RGM wrote: »

It's common for anyone of Irish heritage to show small amounts of Scandinavian. It doesn't necessarily indicate a Scandinavian ancestor within a meaningful time frame. This goes for most small percentages that pop up.

If you have Irish heritage, you have Viking heritage as well. It's a certainty.

I'm well aware that it's probably from Viking times or that it's just noise but I just found it interesting that my aunt didn't have it. Especially since there's a Knott on my mum's side with the surname supposed to be Scandinavian in origin. It's not proof of it or anything. It's just interesting.

Lia_lia · 25-05-2017 7:14pm

RGM wrote: »

Fair point. In the case of Scandinavian traces in the Irish population though, I tend to think it's not a coincidence.

I'm guessing my 2% Middle East is noise...haven't an iota where that would have come from!

RGM · 25-05-2017 7:31pm

If groups of close relatives and groups administered by a particular person were to only count as one each, I now have 18 matches through Ancestry with whom I can document the relation. Like most of you, I can't go back all that far with my tree, so these are all fourth cousins or closer (with a couple exceptions). I think that's wild. The number of people taking these tests now, particularly in America, is crazy.

JamboMac · 25-05-2017 9:25pm

RGM wrote: »

If groups of close relatives and groups administered by a particular person were to only count as one each, I now have 18 matches through Ancestry with whom I can document the relation. Like most of you, I can't go back all that far with my tree, so these are all fourth cousins or closer (with a couple exceptions). I think that's wild. The number of people taking these tests now, particularly in America, is crazy.

I have about 118 from 1 3rd cousin to mainly 4th cousins, if you click on those people it will say their ethnicity and how you are linked.

RGM · 25-05-2017 9:30pm

JamboMac wrote: »

I have about 118 from 1 3rd cousin to mainly 4th cousins, if you click on those people it will say their ethnicity and how you are linked.

No, it will estimate the relation (which is often wrong) and if both of you happen to have a tree it may show a hint if a connection is apparent. But most people don't have trees, or have very bad ones. I'm talking about documented connections, as in I know exactly how we are related.

JamboMac · 25-05-2017 9:36pm

RGM wrote: »

No, it will estimate the relation (which is often wrong) and if both of you happen to have a tree it may show a hint if a connection is apparent. But most people don't have trees, or have very bad ones. I'm talking about documented connections, as in I know exactly how we are related.

I think that's ancestrys hope lots of up-selling although one potential 3rd cousin has over 1,000+ on his tree. But many haven't logged in 2 years. I think if you where adopted the DNA and tree thing is more important then for the rest of us.

Also can't do a lot since previous generations didn't keep any history.

RGM · 25-05-2017 9:42pm

JamboMac wrote: »

I think if you where adopted the DNA and tree thing is more important then for the rest of us.

Also can't do a lot since previous generations didn't keep any history.

What? The "tree thing" is the entire point of this board.

JamboMac · 25-05-2017 9:51pm

RGM wrote: »

What? The "tree thing" is the entire point of this board.

Some people's trees have black holes, some family trees can't be fully built, if the paperwork is no longer their or the person who knows is gone. Genealogy isn't 100% about trees.

So some links may not be able to be fully defined for whatever reason. I come from a massive family I didn't go searching for more cousins and many others do the same. I got back 4 generations with the limited knowledge that I and my parents had.

But documentation after this is difficult as things could have been destroyed and some information isn't online and you need to travel to these locations.

googled eyes · 25-05-2017 11:27pm

Just got my results earlier. Kind of as I expected. Irish with a sprinkling on British and Viking. ( You'll grab that 1% viking from my cold dead hands!)

Europe 99%

Ireland 94%
Great Britain 2%
Finland/Northwest Russia 1%
Iberian Peninsula 1%
Scandinavia 1%

West Asia < 1%
Low Confidence Region
Caucasus

Genetic Communities

Kerry
Ulster Irish

Ancestry has given me 84 4th cousins and 1 possible ancestor link

How long does Gedmatch take to complete?

pinkypinky · 26-05-2017 9:38am

Gedmatch: usually overnight or 2 days at most.

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