Guns N' Roses

Motley Crue · 29-10-2006 11:40pm

Mental Mickey wrote:

If it WAS to be released within the next couple of weeks(the single), wouldnt' the radio stations have gotten hold of it by now......?

Em...they have got hold of it already and are already playing it

http://www.giantmag.com/2006/10/music/half-life-of-a-sellout-guns-n-roses/
http://www.giantmag.com/2006/10/music/its-official-world-to-end-november-21st/
http://web.gunsnroses.com/index.jsp

Mental Mickey · 30-10-2006 12:21am

That seems to be all speculation, mate???

I haven't heard anything on any Irish radio stations yet....?

JC 2K3 · 30-10-2006 1:05am

A Primal Nut wrote:

Slash is not, and never was a sellout. He's one of the best blues-rock guitar soloists ever. Yes, he did play with many different artists. That's what sessian musicans do. He wanted to test his limits as an guitarist, and it produced some of his best work (eg Street Child by Elan). His use of the upper strings and sense of structure when soloing (including the VR album) is utterly unique and amazing so give him some respect.

You can't deny Slash's talents, but he's far too well respected at this stage, his work outside GNR is vastly overrated. Slash's Snakepit and VR were/are really average. Street Child was OK but nothing compared to what he did with GNR. Slash can write really kickass melodic solos, but without a really powerful songwriter behind him(ie. Axl/Izzy) he really doesn't stand out. In the context of great songs, Slash's solos can make them amazing, but without the great songs Slash doesn't excel. Oh and this is the reason he's a sellout.

You made an interesting statement actually:

A Primal Nut wrote:

Finck isn't great playing Slash solos, but writing his own solos he is amazing, as is Buckethead.

IMO Finck isn't amazing at all. Better was a good song and most of the credit goes to him for that, but apart from that I can't see him being good at all. Buckethead on the other hand is amazing and back in 2002 gave Slash a run for his money in terms of soloing on the old GNR songs. Nightrain in particular is a song in which many believe Slash was well and truely outclassed. It's a pity he's not still in the band, especially since Axl's voice is back. Bumblefoot just isn't as good. At least BH is still on the album though.

Motley Crue · 30-10-2006 11:51am

JC 2K3 wrote:

Slash can write really kickass melodic solos, but without a really powerful songwriter behind him(ie. Axl/Izzy) he really doesn't stand out.

Finck isn't amazing at all. Better was a good song and most of the credit goes to him for that, but apart from that I can't see him being good at all.

Ok, on your first point, I wouldnt agree because I seen Slash and Ronnie Wood performing in Vicar Street together on Dec 8th 2001 (look it up) and think he was absolutely brilliant. He came on at 'Testify' if I remember and stayed for the rest of them, and played excellent, although there were a few minor problems towards the start.

As for Finck, while I was too young to see him in the SFX in 94 with NIN, I did get a review of that gig from an Uncle prior to GNR who said that his guitar playing live is excellent. I seen this first hand for myself in both Dublin and London in June and July this year. He was perhaps better at Wembley then Dublin, the later start maybe giving him a bit more time to focus, but nonetheless a standout guy (although I didnt too much care for his rendition of 'God Save the Queen')

However, the one problem I do have with Finck is that on the Rock in Rio 3 DVD he interacts quite a lot, speaks Spanish to the Brazilian audience and really stands out as a member of the NIN (as opposed to the way he dresses now). Leaving his dress sense behind, he has taken a rather backdrop role recently, but it is interesting to note that Finck was Axl's first choice as replacement for Slash in 1997. Things didnt work out with Zack Wlyde apparently.

JC 2K3 · 30-10-2006 12:07pm

Motley Crue wrote:

However, the one problem I do have with Finck is that on the Rock in Rio 3 DVD he interacts quite a lot, speaks Spanish to the Brazilian audience and really stands out as a member of the NIN (as opposed to the way he dresses now). Leaving his dress sense behind, he has taken a rather backdrop role recently, but it is interesting to note that Finck was Axl's first choice as replacement for Slash in 1997. Things didnt work out with Zack Wlyde apparently.

Incidentally, Finck was better in 2002. He does not do justice to many of Slash's solos these days. In particular, he seems to have gotten worse at playing the SCOM solo, using even more wah to breeze past the fast part.

A Primal Nut · 30-10-2006 4:19pm

Mental Mickey wrote:

Okay, Mr "A.P Nut"!!!

Clever!:rolleyes: Why didn't I think of that.

When do you think they'll release the single/album?? Do you think they'll still release it before the end of this year, cos I seriously doubt it......?? If it WAS to be released within the next couple of weeks(the single), wouldnt' the radio stations have gotten hold of it by now......?

I don't know when they will release the album. All I know is Axl said late fall, which means November. For most artists that means time has run out to announce it. But the new GnR have always done things differently. If the european tour is anything to go by, there will be a minimum of promotion. Having said that, with the HD ad, it shows they are planning something. Mysteron, an insider on HTGTH, said they are planning to push everything on us at once. That means they only need to announce it a short time before the release. This seems likely, but it has to be soon. With the US tour started, the album is either finished and ready for this year or its not. They're still saying this year. That means the album is finished and ready.

Motley Crue wrote:

Em...they have got hold of it already and are already playing it

http://www.giantmag.com/2006/10/musi...-guns-n-roses/
http://www.giantmag.com/2006/10/musi...november-21st/
http://web.gunsnroses.com/index.jsp

Nope, they're playing the demo we all have. The HD ad is the finished version but its only a clip. It's easy to tell the difference. Listen to the "Na na na" part. In the HD ad, the finished version, there is some extra lead guitar parts which are not there in the full demo version, which is what radio stations play. Two weeks ago one radio station said they were expecting to receive the first single the week after. That didn't happen, so who knows what is going on.

JC 2K3 wrote:

You can't deny Slash's talents, but he's far too well respected at this stage, his work outside GNR is vastly overrated. Slash's Snakepit and VR were/are really average. Street Child was OK but nothing compared to what he did with GNR. Slash can write really kickass melodic solos, but without a really powerful songwriter behind him(ie. Axl/Izzy) he really doesn't stand out. In the context of great songs, Slash's solos can make them amazing, but without the great songs Slash doesn't excel. Oh and this is the reason he's a sellout.

This is the biggest load of nonsense of a paragraph I've ever read.

1) I shouldn't have to point out the hypocrisy of you saying Slash is a sellout for doing the Volkswagon ad when Axl just licensed two songs to Harley Davidson. Personally, I don't think either are sellouts. The HD ad is cool, rockers love motorcycles, its good promotion for the album. No problem. The VW ad is also cool. As long as Slash is playing in his trademark blues rock style, I don't see the problem. It's not like he's playing with Girls Aloud or rapping. Maybe he likes Volkswagons. So he gets paid to promote them and play guitar. What exactly is the problem? Not every rocker is a communist. It's actually got some cool music we wouldn't have got to hear otherwise.

2) I think any great musican needs great songs to excel. If Axl didn't have Izzy and Slash writing riffs, he would not have excelled. If he didn't have Finck and Tommy writing tunes, he wouldn't excel either. The better the song, the more motivated you will be to pull out something amazing. If your suggesting he can't write great songs on his own, he wrote Coma from start to finish and handed it to Axl to write lyrics. One of the best songs ever. He also wrote the music for the likes of Welcome To The Jungle, Mr. Brownstone, Don't Damn Me, Civil War, Locomotive and many other of GnR's best songs. Music is of course subjective, so if you don't like Slash coz you think his post-GnR stuff sucks, then fair enough. Personally I think Street Child is one of his best solos ever. The riffs to Slither and Sucker Train Blues, the solo on You Got No Right and Loving The Alien. He's still got it. If VR had a better singer, then at least half of that album would have been worthy of GnR, which is pretty impressive, considering he and Duff wrote it in such a short space of time, whereas Axl and the boys have had nearly 10 years.

JC 2K3 wrote:

IMO Finck isn't amazing at all. Better was a good song and most of the credit goes to him for that, but apart from that I can't see him being good at all.

What is this opinion based on? Don't mention NIN, its a different style. Please tell me which of the stuff he has written for GnR you do not like. All you mentioned was a part you admit you do like. His solo on the Blues, is brilliant the best part of that song. He caps off Better with a great solo towards the end. His solo fits in nicely on There Was A Time. He plays some good melodic stuff on IRS. I don't know how people can make up their mind on these guys when they haven't even heard any finished versions or seen any writing credits. You say you like There Was A Time - for all you know, he could have wrote that song. Its too early to make up your mind, but I like what he's done so far. What guitar parts of his do you not like?

He's also the most "GnR." The other two are shredders, whereas he is blues rock,that's why I like him. Having said that, he should stay away from the classics. He tries too hard to make Slash's stuff his own style, and it just sounds bad with all those missed notes and staccato hits.

JC 2K3 wrote:

Buckethead on the other hand is amazing and back in 2002 gave Slash a run for his money in terms of soloing on the old GNR songs. Nightrain in particular is a song in which many believe Slash was well and truely outclassed.

I actually think you have a point. The shred thing is cool. But remember Slash just wasn't a shredder, and IMO, it would have sounded out of place on the master version of AFD. The whole point was he was playing some down and dirty rock n' roll licks. I do agree though, shredding takes the outros to Nightrain and PC to a whole new level and its a great spectacle for a live show. Bumblefoot's take on Nightrain is awesome. Slash never had the technique to play like that, and I wouldn't want it any other way. Buckethead is also good on the new songs, especially TWAT. Amazing solo. I love the way there is one bluesy solo from Finck and one shred solo from Buckethead on most of the songs. Its a cool and original idea.

Also remember, its easier to play and improve someone else's solo than write one from scratch. For example the genius of the November Rain outo is that amazing sneering lick and the structure of it. Anyone can put their own spin on it, but writing it from scratch takes absolute genius.

JC 2K3 · 30-10-2006 6:48pm

A Primal Nut wrote:

1) I shouldn't have to point out the hypocrisy of you saying Slash is a sellout for doing the Volkswagon ad when Axl just licensed two songs to Harley Davidson. Personally, I don't think either are sellouts.

I think they both are. I wrote that several days befoore Axl sold the rights of Better and Paradise City so it wasn't hypocracy, so fúck you Axl and fúck you Slash.

A Primal Nut wrote:

2) I think any great musican needs great songs to excel. If Axl didn't have Izzy and Slash writing riffs, he would not have excelled. If he didn't have Finck and Tommy writing tunes, he wouldn't excel either. The better the song, the more motivated you will be to pull out something amazing. If your suggesting he can't write great songs on his own, he wrote Coma from start to finish and handed it to Axl to write lyrics. One of the best songs ever. He also wrote the music for the likes of Welcome To The Jungle, Mr. Brownstone, Don't Damn Me, Civil War, Locomotive and many other of GnR's best songs. Music is of course subjective, so if you don't like Slash coz you think his post-GnR stuff sucks, then fair enough. Personally I think Street Child is one of his best solos ever. The riffs to Slither and Sucker Train Blues, the solo on You Got No Right and Loving The Alien. He's still got it. If VR had a better singer, then at least half of that album would have been worthy of GnR, which is pretty impressive, considering he and Duff wrote it in such a short space of time, whereas Axl and the boys have had nearly 10 years.

It's all opinion really. Slither's riff is generic and unoriginal, Root of all Evil by Dream Theatre is one song in particular with almost exactly the same riff. Sucker Train Blues is almost a carbon copy of It's So Easy. Street Child and You Got No Right would be two of his best post-GNR solos all right though.

My point in that "nonsense paragraph" was really simply that Slash's contribution to GNR is overrated. And outside GNR he hasn't done anything exactly mind blowing. Buckethead's TWAT solo beats anything Slash has done since GNR IMO.

A Primal Nut wrote:

What is this opinion based on? Don't mention NIN, its a different style. Please tell me which of the stuff he has written for GnR you do not like. All you mentioned was a part you admit you do like. His solo on the Blues, is brilliant the best part of that song. He caps off Better with a great solo towards the end. His solo fits in nicely on There Was A Time. He plays some good melodic stuff on IRS. I don't know how people can make up their mind on these guys when they haven't even heard any finished versions or seen any writing credits. You say you like There Was A Time - for all you know, he could have wrote that song. Its too early to make up your mind, but I like what he's done so far. What guitar parts of his do you not like?

He's also the most "GnR." The other two are shredders, whereas he is blues rock,that's why I like him. Having said that, he should stay away from the classics. He tries too hard to make Slash's stuff his own style, and it just sounds bad with all those missed notes and staccato hits.

I didn't mention NIN.....

Ok, touché, Finck does bring something good to the band. I just don't like him due to the way he butchers Slash's solos. Oh and Richard Fortus isn't a shredder(?). In fact many, incluuding myself, think that he should take Finck's place playing Slash's old solos.

A Primal Nut wrote:

I actually think you have a point. The shred thing is cool. But remember Slash just wasn't a shredder, and IMO, it would have sounded out of place on the master version of AFD. The whole point was he was playing some down and dirty rock n' roll licks. I do agree though, shredding takes the outros to Nightrain and PC to a whole new level and its a great spectacle for a live show. Bumblefoot's take on Nightrain is awesome. Slash never had the technique to play like that, and I wouldn't want it any other way. Buckethead is also good on the new songs, especially TWAT. Amazing solo. I love the way there is one bluesy solo from Finck and one shred solo from Buckethead on most of the songs. Its a cool and original idea.

Also remember, its easier to play and improve someone else's solo than write one from scratch. For example the genius of the November Rain outo is that amazing sneering lick and the structure of it. Anyone can put their own spin on it, but writing it from scratch takes absolute genius.

Slash did the November Rain solo better than anyone.

Oh and Buckethead IS NOT just a shredder. The TWAT solo contains very little shredding apart from a few frills.

A Primal Nut · 30-10-2006 8:09pm

Axl made a funny rant last night in Puerto Rico. This is quoted from the HTGTH forum.

It was hilarious- he directed toward the members of this forum and of mygnrforum. I don't think anyone reported this yet. He said "I haven't done what they call a rant in a long time, but I'm going to rant right now. You know... I don't really have a problem with all the cameras and tape recorders and all of that, but I think it is ****ed up how there are people out there complaining that we are not changing up the show every night. **** that. I could give a **** about some guy in Ireland sitting at home behind his computer who doesn't even go to the shows. We're going to do what we do and play what you want to hear."

Some guy in Ireland? Was it one of us?:D

Motley Crue · 30-10-2006 8:14pm

JC 2K3 wrote:

Incidentally, Finck was better in 2002. He does not do justice to many of Slash's solos these days. In particular, he seems to have gotten worse at playing the SCOM solo, using even more wah to breeze past the fast part.

Dead right. I noticed that myself and its a problem I have with the players in GNR. I had this theory that they were playing the old songs 'just that little bit worse' with 'just a little less effort' then the original band on purpose.

I went to see David Lee Roth in Vicar Street in April 2004 and he had Brian Young (his guitarist) sounding like Steve Vai and James Lomenzo (who's now in Megadeth, used to be in BLS and White Lion) sounding like Billy Sheenan on 'Just Like Paradise' and if you closed your eyes on the Van Halen covers it sounded like Alex, Michael Anthony and Eddie where up there in front of you.

My point is that any band can play a cover version, but with practice (and we all know the current incarnation of GNR have had a lot of time to practice) you can sound almost identical to the original band while still retaining your own trademark sound (Finck doesnt play Slash's instruments for example) and not comprising the songs.

However, I feel that Axl has instructed the band to purposely play with a little less effort on the older songs and a little more effort on the newer tracks, instrumentals and Wings/Bob Dylan covers (which he has essentially rewritten live) so that popular opinion will swing towards this band playing their own material. Over time, fans wont want to hear SWOM, in 5 to 10 years theyll want to hear 'Better' and 'The Blues'

Thats how I feel anyway

Motley Crue · 30-10-2006 8:18pm

A Primal Nut wrote:

Some guy in Ireland? Was it one of us?:D

They kind of personal attacking behaviour is liable to get you banned. If you cant defend your argument with fact or honest opinion then dont bother starting one in the first place:)

Mental Mickey · 31-10-2006 10:40am

To be fair, I think Axl was just generalising, and used good ol' Ireland as an example......?

Also, I think the amount of leaks of songs flying around if f**king disgraceful!!!??

I think this kinda thing should be banned......How are artists supposed to make money from record sales, if songs from a new album are "leaked" by some TWAT months before......!!!???

NeMiSiS · 31-10-2006 11:29am

"Ok, on your first point, I wouldnt agree because I seen Slash and Ronnie Wood performing in Vicar Street together on Dec 8th 2001 (look it up) and think he was absolutely brilliant. " I've Slash's set list from that night..

I have nothing to add to the conversation about GNR though.

TK

Quatre Mains · 31-10-2006 11:44am

...a lot of hardcore fighting going on here! I'm not fussed one way or the other on a lot of these issues as I'm not as big a fan as some of you. However, I do feel the need to point out that given the colossal expense to date of this album to date and the greatly reduced profile/visibility of the band, licensing of songs was inevitable. In fact, I would guess we're going to see a Moby "Play" -like situation with this album, with multiple songs being used to be used in ads for Nike/Cars/whatever - sorry!

Motley Crue · 31-10-2006 12:34pm

Johnnycabs wrote:

I do feel the need to point out that given the colossal expense to date of this album to date and the greatly reduced profile/visibility of the band, licensing of songs was inevitable.

Agreed

Johnnycabs wrote:

In fact, I would guess we're going to see a Moby "Play" -like situation with this album, with multiple songs being used to be used in ads for Nike/Cars/whatever - sorry!

I would think that two, and also a situation much like Def Leppard's 'Hysteria' album, you know, where it took them 4 years constant studio work to make and then they had to sell something like 2 to 3 million copies just to break even on the production costs! Although, whether GNR will sell anything near 18million copies remains to be seen

JC 2K3 · 31-10-2006 6:23pm

Mental Mickey wrote:

To be fair, I think Axl was just generalising, and used good ol' Ireland as an example......?

Also, I think the amount of leaks of songs flying around if f**king disgraceful!!!??

I think this kinda thing should be banned......How are artists supposed to make money from record sales, if songs from a new album are "leaked" by some TWAT months before......!!!???

Ok, 1) It IS banned....
2) The leaks were most likely authorised - by GNR management if not Axl himself - for the creation of hype.
3) There're 4 leaked tracks, hardly a massive amount flying around...

Motley Crue · 01-11-2006 11:16am

Does anyone else think Del James is just a bit of a LICK ARSE when they read this;
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=61362

Oeneus · 01-11-2006 12:07pm

That was quite an interesting read.

That article to me sounds like a concert ticket marketing scheme.

I found the stuff about being late on stage really funny.

When I went to Download 2006, I was really hoping that GN'R were going to be late going on stage. In fact, I was pretty confident that they will be late. They always are. I wanted to see Lordi and GN'R but their two sets slightly overlapped.

Well I saw the whole Lordi set, walked out the tent, and in the distance, I hear Live And Let Die blasting out, at that point I thought "F*ck!" and sprinted like I've never sprinted. I then asked a guy in the crowd what I missed and he said the band started early! What are the odds?

Sod's law on my account...

NeMiSiS · 01-11-2006 12:17pm

Duff rules by the way. Just incase anyone forgot!
TK

Motley Crue · 01-11-2006 2:16pm

Oeneus wrote:

That was quite an interesting read.

That article to me sounds like a concert ticket marketing scheme.
...

indeed it does

robz150 · 01-11-2006 4:41pm

Oeneus wrote:

I wanted to see Lordi and GN'R but their two sets slightly overlapped.

Was it not Therapy?

Motley Crue · 01-11-2006 5:52pm

robz150 wrote:

Was it not Therapy?

No, Therapy was in Ireland BUT Lordi was in England (Donnington)

robz150 · 01-11-2006 5:55pm

Motley Crue wrote:

No, Therapy was in Ireland BUT Lordi was in England (Donnington)

Aha so They were on time in England as well, Must be down to the strict ending times think it was 22:30 in Ireland

A Primal Nut · 02-11-2006 1:42pm

Motley Crue wrote:

They kind of personal attacking behaviour is liable to get you banned. If you cant defend your argument with fact or honest opinion then dont bother starting one in the first place:)

But yeah I agree, we should ban Axl (who I was quoting)from boards.ie for not defending his argument with fact or honest opinion. What he said in Puerto Rico was totally against Internet forum rules. Oh wait a minute, he wasn't on an internet forum. :rolleyes:

JC 2K3 · 02-11-2006 1:45pm

I think maybe, just maybe, Motley Crue was making a joke....

A Primal Nut · 02-11-2006 1:47pm

Motley Crue wrote:

Dead right. I noticed that myself and its a problem I have with the players in GNR. I had this theory that they were playing the old songs 'just that little bit worse' with 'just a little less effort' then the original band on purpose.

I went to see David Lee Roth in Vicar Street in April 2004 and he had Brian Young (his guitarist) sounding like Steve Vai and James Lomenzo (who's now in Megadeth, used to be in BLS and White Lion) sounding like Billy Sheenan on 'Just Like Paradise' and if you closed your eyes on the Van Halen covers it sounded like Alex, Michael Anthony and Eddie where up there in front of you.

My point is that any band can play a cover version, but with practice (and we all know the current incarnation of GNR have had a lot of time to practice) you can sound almost identical to the original band while still retaining your own trademark sound (Finck doesnt play Slash's instruments for example) and not comprising the songs.

However, I feel that Axl has instructed the band to purposely play with a little less effort on the older songs and a little more effort on the newer tracks, instrumentals and Wings/Bob Dylan covers (which he has essentially rewritten live) so that popular opinion will swing towards this band playing their own material. Over time, fans wont want to hear SWOM, in 5 to 10 years theyll want to hear 'Better' and 'The Blues'

Thats how I feel anyway

You need to listen to some versions of Nightrain and Paradise City from 2006.

The versions are different, certainly not worse. And certainly not with less effort. Dunno were your getting that idea from. Admittedly, some of Finck's versions of Slash's solos are poor, but other than that the classics sound great.

If their aim was to play the old songs with less effort so people will want the new songs it ain't working, coz your the only person who's actually noticed the old songs sounding weaker than the new.

The only way popular opinion will change from old songs to new songs is to release the album.

dimerocks · 02-11-2006 5:19pm

A Primal Nut wrote:

The only way popular opinion will change from old songs to new songs is to release the album.

and if the new album is any good!

Motley Crue · 02-11-2006 8:11pm

JC 2K3 wrote:

I think maybe, just maybe, Motley Crue was making a joke....

Thank you, at least someone around here gets it, and I was also making the point that Axl didnt specifically refer to any IRISH individual sitting behind a computer. You PrimalNut made that comment as an attack towards a fellow boarder because you felt you were loosing an argument

A Primal Nut · 03-11-2006 6:27pm

Motley Crue wrote:

Thank you, at least someone around here gets it, and I was also making the point that Axl didnt specifically refer to any IRISH individual sitting behind a computer. You PrimalNut made that comment as an attack towards a fellow boarder because you felt you were loosing an argument

Eh no I didn't. What argument? It was just a joke because Axl mentioned Ireland. Wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. We weren't discussing setlists or anything Axl mentoned.

I think maybe, just maybe, Motley Crue was making a joke....

He pbviously wasn't joking if he said I should be banned and now he just said it again that I made attack on someone on the boards? Is he still joking the second time he said it?

He obviously didn't get the joke when I said Axl might have been aiming it at some Irish guy. Obviously he wasn't aiming it at anyone, hence the joke. Oh nevermind, I think someone took my initial comment a bit seriously.

qwertplaywert · 05-11-2006 1:20am

so........has there been any recent news on guns n'roses new album?wasnt it supposed to be out in winter this year?

A Primal Nut · 05-11-2006 7:07pm

qwertplaywert wrote:

so........has there been any recent news on guns n'roses new album?wasnt it supposed to be out in winter this year?

They're still saying it will be out this year. It will take something fairly unprecedented to release it at this stage, but its possible. It's likely they will release it with as little notice and publicity as possible. If nothing happens by the end of next week (Madison Square Garden gig) though then it would take a miracle for it to come out this year.

Mental Mickey · 06-11-2006 11:52am

I'm going for a release date in December.........it seems more likely??? BTW, they've started showing the advert with "Paradise City" as background music on US television this week, so they MIGHT start showing the one with the new song "Better" soon.....?

Motley Crue · 06-11-2006 2:03pm

Mental Mickey wrote:

I'm going for a release date in December.........it seems more likely??? BTW, they've started showing the advert with "Paradise City" as background music on US television this week, so they MIGHT start showing the one with the new song "Better" soon.....?

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=61581

Thats an interview with Bumblefoot on the European Tour. All Credit to Sebastian Bach though, and people might disagree with me here, but I truly believe he's the reason Axl's going out on stage everynight cause he has Bach with him. It may sound stupid but Axl only cancelled one date this tour, when Finck sprained his hand, and has re-arranged every date that he has postponed. He really is doing something people taught he would never do, hes playing shows, and he has been since May this year

Nightrain · 07-11-2006 1:00am

GNR gig tonight cancelled tonight.Not sure why yet.

Mental Mickey · 07-11-2006 12:15pm

Something to do with safety fears and pyro, I think? There's a statement about it on www.chinesedemocracy.com. It's one of those Chatroom thingy's, but it's FAR more informative than their official site......:rolleyes:

Motley Crue · 07-11-2006 2:29pm

http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061106&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp

This is the official statement from GNR site about the cancellation. Seems hes being really fair about this, and instead of cancelling the show altogether hes offering them the chance to get themselves to the next venue, but geographically i dont know how far that is so maybe they wont all be able to travel:(

Mental Mickey · 07-11-2006 6:27pm

I rang both HMV in Grafton St., and the Sound Cellar in Nassau St. today enquiring about a release date for Chinese Democracy, and neither shop had got a clue about a release date......

Rumours are saying all kinds of dates between now and Christmas, but I can't see it happening.....

Motley Crue · 07-11-2006 8:23pm

Mental Mickey wrote:

I rang both HMV in Grafton St., and the Sound Cellar in Nassau St. today enquiring about a release date for Chinese Democracy, and neither shop had got a clue about a release date...... Rumours are saying all kinds of dates between now and Christmas, but I can't see it happening.....

Those stores are not gonna help you to be honest, the release date will first be announced on some radio show, or perhaps the offical GNR site before the shops hear about it I reckon. Unless its going to arrive as a unknown artist release, i.e. HMV currently have an album release on their shelves from someone on the Sanctuary label and when the boxes arrive the new GNR album is in with it...or its the new GNR album and not this release it was supposed to be

Nightrain · 07-11-2006 11:43pm

Mental Mickey wrote:

I rang both HMV in Grafton St., and the Sound Cellar in Nassau St. today enquiring about a release date for Chinese Democracy, and neither shop had got a clue about a release date...... Rumours are saying all kinds of dates between now and Christmas, but I can't see it happening.....

I think they have some idea but wont tell people about it and the album will drop by suprise IMO.

dimerocks · 08-11-2006 1:30am

if they knew, we'd know! Someone in the shops would plaster it all over the internet.

Mental Mickey · 08-11-2006 1:26pm

Forgive me for this, but could the f**kers be playing "Chinese Whispers" with us.....

Motley Crue · 08-11-2006 7:53pm

Mental Mickey wrote:

Forgive me for this, but could the f**kers be playing "Chinese Whispers" with us.....

GNR manager comments on everything. Quite an interesting read.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=61780

Het-Field · 08-11-2006 8:30pm

People laughed at me when I claimed that Chinese Democracy would never come out. 2006 is almost through and we have heard nothing

Mental Mickey · 10-11-2006 10:40am

Just found this on www.hmv.co.uk!!!

They are now saying that Chinese Democracy will be released on 19th December, BUT they are also saying that "this item is deleted"?? I wonder where they're getting their information from.........???

Motley Crue · 10-11-2006 1:27pm

Mental Mickey wrote:

I wonder where they're getting their information from.........???

possibly Sanctuary Records

Mental Mickey · 10-11-2006 2:10pm

Well then, I must say that the GNR/Sanctuary Records PR machine is absolutely pathetic!!!!:mad:

How about notifying us(the fans), who actually BUY their bloody records, of the release date!!!!!!?????

Some guy has just posted on www.chinesedemocracy.com that November 28th has been CONFIRMED as the release date for the album.....think he's talking bulls**t, though, cos he won't divulge where he got the info from......??

Motley Crue · 17-11-2006 8:37pm

According to South Africa's Mail & Guardian Online, dozens of literary masterpieces and international bestsellers have been banned in Iran in a dramatic rise in censorship that has plunged the country's publishing industry into crisis. Among the forbidden items is a successful series of books featuring lyrics by BLACK SABBATH, QUEEN and GUNS N' ROSES. Stores were told to remove the books or face closure. Permission was subsequently denied for the publisher to reprint.

The clampdown has been headed by the hardline Culture Minister, Mohammed Hossein Saffar Harandi, a former revolutionary guard and close ally of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. It follows a relative thaw during the eight-year presidency of Ahmadinejad's reformist predecessor, Mohammed Khatami.

Mushy · 01-12-2006 11:02pm

So is there any news on this album release? Or is it as expected and not coming out this year?

Some news from the current North America tour: Eagles of Death Metal walk out after one night. Jesse shocked after hearing people booing the Suicide Girls. "What sort of a rock show is it when people start booing hot, naked chicks-its not a rock show, its a freak show". This on the first night. Later on stage, Axl says "So how did you like the Pigeons of S*** Metal?". EODM walk out on tour after that. An announcement says "At first the audience refused to welcome us to the jungle, but by the time we took our final bow, it had become paradise city. Although Axl tried to November rain on our parade, no sweet child o' mine can derail the Eagles Of Death Metal night train. We say live and let die."
Tour going steady as usual then :rolleyes: ?

JC 2K3 · 01-12-2006 11:34pm

I heard EODM got kicked off the tour for being shíte....

And if Chinese Democracy isn't out by the end of this year then all I can say is Axl and Merck are sadistic fúcks.

My GNR enthusiasm has waned over the last few weeks...

Motley Crue · 02-12-2006 10:17am

JC 2K3 wrote:

I heard EODM got kicked off the tour for being shíte....

They should have never been on it in the first place, I loathe QOTSA and EODM (and Stoner Rock for that matter too) and I think they should have nothing to do with GNR, and I dont care what people say about GNR i just think thats the way it should be. I also think the Sucide Girls should have nothing to do with GNR, if I wanted to see a woman strip id go to a strip club or my girlfriend would entertain me on a night in, but if I go to a Rock concert I expect to see a band play and them be the entertainment. Coming out at 11.45pm etc is absurd.

The Guns N' Roses concert scheduled for Milwaukee's Bradley Center on November 29 was cancelled due to illness. Guns N' Roses front man Axl Rose is suffering from an ear infection and strep throat. Next show is tonight in Ames, Iowa. Hopefully itll go ahead. Theyve already played 20 dates on this US Tour alone without major incident, Id say thats enough for me, I mean yes he comes on late but in the grand scale of things Id be happier for him to come on late then the show/tour to be cancelled cause of a riot.

Het-Field · 03-12-2006 12:42am

19TH December. Highly Unlikely. If its not released this year, ill wait till next june, and if it aint out by then, you can bet your ass that Use Your Illusion II will be the last record by GNR

Guns N' Roses

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