39 people found dead in trailer in UK

23-10-2019 3:40pm

I think, registering a lorry that spends most of its time driving around europe, is the trucking equivalent of registering a ship in Limassol or Panama.

PostWoke · 23-10-2019 3:44pm

Aegir wrote: »

I think, registering a lorry that spends most of its time driving around europe, is the trucking equivalent of registering a ship in Limassol or Panama.

Just so I understand the inference here, is that you open yourself to risks of this if you are in trucking in Europe, correct?

LoughNeagh2017 · 23-10-2019 3:45pm

The English probably blamed it on the naughty fenians yet it was one of their own unionists. That will annoy Varadkar, he would love any reason to hate on a northern Catholic

armaghlad · 23-10-2019 3:46pm

scotchy wrote: »

The guy told me that earlier when they were saying the driver was from NI, he actually said that there were several of these lorries around where he lived, he lives in Monaghan .

The alleged driver is from Portadown, exact same tractor unit all over his Facebook page

derrymcorry · 23-10-2019 3:46pm

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

The English probably blamed it on the naughty fenians yet it was one of their own unionists. That will annoy Varadkar, he would love any reason to hate on a northern Catholic

A UVF member apparently.

celt262 · 23-10-2019 3:50pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

A UVF member apparently.

Interesting

23-10-2019 3:51pm

PostWoke wrote: »

Just so I understand the inference here, is that you open yourself to risks of this if you are in trucking in Europe, correct?

no, it is a way of avoiding paying tax

Paul Lee · 23-10-2019 3:52pm

Stop social welfare.

23-10-2019 3:53pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

Is he in the UVF?

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

The English probably blamed it on the naughty fenians yet it was one of their own unionists. That will annoy Varadkar, he would love any reason to hate on a northern Catholic

derrymcorry wrote: »

A UVF member apparently.

celt262 wrote: »

Interesting

why do some small minded individuals have to infect some threads?

IRE60 · 23-10-2019 3:55pm

Company mentioned earlier on this thread - similar one in from Lisburn (reg office anyway) and has a female director. No direction as to its business activity

derrymcorry · 23-10-2019 3:55pm

He is a UVF member according to social media.

lawred2 · 23-10-2019 3:56pm

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

The English probably blamed it on the naughty fenians yet it was one of their own unionists. That will annoy Varadkar, he would love any reason to hate on a northern Catholic

?

This thread has brought out some funny ones

Paul Lee · 23-10-2019 3:56pm

The elites need a new slave class. Hence why the press calls out anyone who criticised mass immigration as "racists". I'm racist for not wanting Africans to die in a trailer. I'm racist for wanting to halt growing racism. Bringing in fascist laws won't stop racism from spreading. Stopping social welfare will halt racism in it's tracks. But the powers that be don't want that, do they?

Lady Spangles · 23-10-2019 3:56pm

Paul Lee wrote: »

Stop social welfare.

Why? What do you actually think that will achieve? I'm being serious, by the way. because you talk as if there's a welcome committee in every port just waiting to hand out free cash to every immigrant setting foot on British soil when in fact they're not actually eligible for any benefits at all.

tayto lover · 23-10-2019 3:56pm

Awful tragedy RIP to all.

It’s very sad that some posters can make a Nationalist v Unionist scenario out of something so awful. Sad people in here.

23-10-2019 3:57pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

He is a UVF member according to social media.

SO ****ING WHAT.

Utter Consternation · 23-10-2019 3:58pm

Aegir wrote: »

why do some small minded individuals have to infect some threads?

It happens because they have no shame and love to capitalise on even the most tragic events to score points for their sad bar stool republican rants.

Lady Spangles · 23-10-2019 3:58pm

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

The English probably blamed it on the naughty fenians yet it was one of their own unionists. That will annoy Varadkar, he would love any reason to hate on a northern Catholic

This again!? Really? The English aren't blaming anyone, they're trying to figure out how a lorry load of corpses ended up in their country and that requires working out where this truck has been and where it's come from. This is quite a serious matter, you know.

Is this really how Ireland responds when something terrible happens? Just find a way to deflect by picking a fight with the English?

Spanish Eyes · 23-10-2019 3:58pm

Does VRT and re reg to Irish plates not apply to trucks?

If indeed that is the case here obviously.

armaghlad · 23-10-2019 3:59pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

A UVF member apparently.

Where have you seen this?
To be fair, Portadown haulage contractors and the UVF usually go hand in hand

lawred2 · 23-10-2019 4:00pm

Aegir wrote: »

SO ****ING WHAT.

Well probably goes to further attest to the scumbag racketeering nature of the man involved.. unlikely that he was an innocent unknowing truck driver caught up in a multi national illegal trafficking ring!

We probably didn't need any further confirmation really but it does help.

That's if it's true of course. Could be complete BS.

alastair · 23-10-2019 4:00pm

Paul Lee wrote: »

The elites need a new slave class. Hence why the press calls out anyone who criticised mass immigration as "racists". I'm racist for not wanting Africans to die in a trailer. I'm racist for wanting to halt growing racism. Bringing in fascist laws won't stop racism from spreading. Stopping social welfare will halt racism in it's tracks. But the powers that be don't want that, do they?

Being a racist gets you called out for your racism. These people were not entitled to social welfare in the U.K., so ‘stopping social welfare’ will have zero impact on the situation.

23-10-2019 4:00pm

I think some posts on this thread might confirm the fairly widespread view that many self-styled "Republicans" and self-styled "Loyalists" are actually mirror images of each other and should have their own little statelet where they can spend their lives happily baiting and trolling each other.

whats_my_name · 23-10-2019 4:01pm

Works for a haulage company that is based in Monaghan.

Spanish Eyes · 23-10-2019 4:02pm

Brexit will protect uk borders from this kind of stuff apparently.

With due respect to those who have died.

Mr E · 23-10-2019 4:02pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

A UVF member apparently.

Mod: Lots and lots and lots of reported posts about you in the last while. Don't post in this thread again.

23-10-2019 4:03pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Does VRT and re reg to Irish plates not apply to trucks?

If indeed that is the case here obviously.

If the truck spends more time abroad than in Ireland, then no.

Oasis1974 · 23-10-2019 4:05pm

Wonder what the price was for each life lost I mean in monatery terms what did these people pay?

quartz1 · 23-10-2019 4:05pm

It came from Zeebrugge Belgium not Ireland

Spanish Eyes · 23-10-2019 4:07pm

Aegir wrote: »

If the truck spends more time abroad than in Ireland, then no.

Well then, (and thanks for your reply), how much surveillance is carried out on the length of time foreign reg trucks are either here or up North. Just wondering, not demanding an answer from you!

Sounds all dodge to me WRT to a lot of things, Customs, immigration, checking ro ro freight and so on. But I suppose Trade has to keep moving quickly.

eagle eye · 23-10-2019 4:09pm

It's horrible to see people die like that but you are putting your life in someone else's hands when you decide to travel long distance in a cargo container.

whats_my_name · 23-10-2019 4:10pm

IRE60 wrote: »

Company mentioned earlier on this thread - similar one in from Lisburn (reg office anyway) and has a female director. No direction as to its business activity

Not sure if they are linked in any sort of way other than possibly just hired trailer out to the haulage company.

loveisdivine · 23-10-2019 4:10pm

eagle eye wrote: »

It's horrible to see people die like that but you are putting your life in someone else's hands when you decide to travel long distance in a cargo container.

Has it been confirmed that they were immigrants trying to enter the country illegally? If not then it's just as likely they could have been trafficked into the country for sex work or slave labour.

IRE60 · 23-10-2019 4:11pm

And now!!!! Sky News: Holyhead/Dublin off the hook. Truck came into Kent direct from Zebrugger on Saturday not via Ath Cliath!

Itssoeasy · 23-10-2019 4:11pm

quartz1 wrote: »

It came from Zeebrugge Belgium not Ireland

Yeah I heard there was mention of Holyhead it seems a strange way to come from the continent.

Sky news are saying it's owned by an Irish women based in Bulgaria. And as you say it left the European continent from zeebrugge.

And regardless of however it got to where it ended up, I can't even begin to imagine those poor people's last moments. Utterly horrific.

tayto lover · 23-10-2019 4:11pm

quartz1 wrote: »

It came from Zeebrugge Belgium not Ireland

Zebrugge to Holyhead seems an odd route.
The odder the route the more I have suspicions that the owner or driver of the truck knew there were people in the container.

lawred2 · 23-10-2019 4:12pm

IRE60 wrote: »

And now!!!! Sky News: Holyhead/Dublin off the hook. Truck came into Kent direct from Zebrugger on Saturday not via Ath Cliath!

Makes much more sense.

How hard is it to these facts straight before reporting? This entire thread seems predicted on falsehoods

Itssoeasy · 23-10-2019 4:12pm

loveisdivine wrote: »

Has it been confirmed that they were immigrants trying to enter the country illegally? If not then it's just as likely they could have been trafficked into the country for sex work or slave labour.

No. There seems to be a changing story on how exactly it got to the UK. Shocking stuff.

IRE60 · 23-10-2019 4:12pm

Police have told Reuters they believe the lorry originated in Ireland, but travelled into Purfleet from Zeebrugge - and then docked in the Thurrock area shortly after 12.30am this morning.

23-10-2019 4:13pm

Aegir wrote: »

SO ****ING WHAT.

Reports that the driver is a member of an organisation such as the UVF could be very relevant to the story. It's not like just saying he is a protestant.

23-10-2019 4:13pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well then, (and thanks for your reply), how much surveillance is carried out on the length of time foreign reg trucks are either here or up North. Just wondering, not demanding an answer from you!

Sounds all dodge to me WRT to a lot of things, Customs, immigration, checking ro ro freight and so on. But I suppose Trade has to keep moving quickly.

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure this is just a way for a company to get around paying Irish VRT and road tax. I guess Bulgaria is the cheapest country in which to register. The Driver being a non resident would help as well I guess.

but then, the entire Irish Ferries fleet is actually Cypriot......

pmcc1 · 23-10-2019 4:17pm

In the photos, the truck seems to be preparing to reverse into the loading bay of a GSF Car parts warehouse. GSF are very well established and their staff were all sent away today, I read.
Very unlikely that if the driver did know who was in the back, he’d be delivering them to GSF.
He has to be a patsy.

23-10-2019 4:17pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Sky news saying arresting him on suspicion of murder is standard in these cases, seems a bit overkill

If anyone is found with 39 bodies they have to be arrested otherwise they can just walk away and answer no questions. Nothing overkill about it.

Sir Oxman · 23-10-2019 4:17pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Zebrugge to Holyhead seems an odd route.
The odder the route the more I have suspicions that the owner or driver of the truck knew there were people in the container.

No, the trailer went from Zeebrugge-Purfleet. on Tues night

The truck travelled Dublin-Holyhead on Saturday

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/1023/1085091-essex/

splinter65 · 23-10-2019 4:18pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

There are two serious aspects of this case:

1. The fact that 39 people are dead in the back of a lorry.

2. The fact that Essex Police has said that the driver was from Northern Ireland when in fact he was from County Monaghan. This is a British police force suggesting a territorial claim over a part of another country and it is a monumental disgrace.

Some people from both communities in the North are secretly sorry that the war is over.
They will find outrage in the most innocuous mistake in a report in an effort to find fault in the “other side”.
Here you have an example of a mad Nationalistic type who faced with 40 odd dead bodies in a lorry immediately escalates the outrage past the totally needless loss of life to the far far more important more tragic more outrageous fact that someone somewhere in the initial reporting counted Monaghan as one of the Six Counties.
Forget the grief of the families. Forget the greed of the people smugglers.
HOW DARE THE BRITS TRY TO TAKE ANOTHER COUNTY!

Spanish Eyes · 23-10-2019 4:19pm

Where the heck did the Holyhead angle come from so? I do realise that reporting would have been patchy on first reports. But honestly...

Still need to hear the real story. Not much coming out really.

Lady Spangles · 23-10-2019 4:20pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Some people from both communities in the North are secretly sorry that the war is over.
They will find outrage in the most innocuous mistake in a report in an effort to find fault in the “other side”.
Here you have an example of a mad Nationalistic type who faced with 40 odd dead bodies in a lorry immediately escalates the outrage past the totally needless loss of life to the far far more important more tragic more outrageous fact that someone somewhere in the initial reporting counted Monaghan as one of the Six Counties.
Forget the grief of the families. Forget the greed of the people smugglers.
HOW DARE THE BRITS TRY TO TAKE ANOTHER COUNTY!

According to the Belfast Telegraph, the driver is in fact from Portadown. Hopefully this can now bring comfort and solace to traumatised Republicans at this difficult time in their lives.

splinter65 · 23-10-2019 4:21pm

pmcc1 wrote: »

In the photos, the truck seems to be preparing to reverse into the loading bay of a GSF Car parts warehouse. GSF are very well established and their staff were all sent away today, I read.
Very unlikely that if the driver did know who was in the back, he’d be delivering them to GSF.
He has to be a patsy.

I find it impossible to believe that in this day and age he got into the cab and started the engine without checking his load.

23-10-2019 4:23pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Where the heck did the Holyhead angle come from so? I do realise that reporting would have been patchy on first reports. But honestly...

Still need to hear the real story. Not much coming out really.

The truck arriving into Holyhead probably showed up on a police database somewhere as the last registered entry to the country and was given to a journalist.

The subsequent departure and re-entry either wasn't recorded or wasn't up to date or wasn't on the same database.

Sir Oxman · 23-10-2019 4:24pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Where the heck did the Holyhead angle come from so? I do realise that reporting would have been patchy on first reports. But honestly...

Still need to hear the real story. Not much coming out really.

Truck travelled on saturday Dublin-Holyhead
Trailer was dropped in Purfleet (near where the trcuk+trailer was found this morning) via Zeebrugge

Normal scheme of things, truck would be dropping a load then whatever other jobs in between finally collecting this trailer from Purfleet.
I guess.

39 people found dead in trailer in UK

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