President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

Boggles · 27-09-2019 1:14pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

He has not done anything worth being impeached over.

In your opinion.

That's important lad.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

And you Lefties wonder why you're called NPCs now.

Leftie? :pac:

What are you a Righty?

Jaysus lad stop framing everything in left and rights, stay off the conspiracy sites and try form an informed and educated opinion based on facts.

It will be easier for everyone including yourself if you do.

Overheal · 27-09-2019 1:15pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

He has not done anything worth being impeached over. If Pelosi genuinely did she would have had the roll call instead of the horse and pony show for the cameras.

And you Lefties wonder why you're called NPCs now.

You have no idea how this process works, and aren’t American; your knowledge of American civics is lower than you think. There’s no vote to call without Articles of impeachment. There are no articles for this Ukraine call issue, and the House still has a duty to use its investigatory powers to establish its case for impeachment before passing such articles. In the Bill Clinton case that process took months after the conclusion of the special counsel investigation. In Nixon’s case the process was taking weeks/months but as it drew closer to a vote Nixon resigned; once the house passed articles the president can no longer be pardoned for offenses listed in the articles. The 2019 impeachment of Donald Trump, similarly, will take months, not hours.

JohnMc1 · 27-09-2019 1:19pm

Boggles wrote: »

In your opinion.

That's important lad.

What's important is that you're clueless. He's been under investigation since the night he won the election and still nothing.

Leftie? :pac:

What are you a Righty?

Jaysus lad stop framing everything in left and rights,

You Lefties love Identity Politics filtering. Don't cry when you get a taste of your medicine.

stay off the conspiracy sites and try form an informed and educated opinion based on facts.

It will be easier for everyone including yourself if you do.

Practice what you preach. There is nothing factual or educated about your cries for his impeachment. Just more Left Wing NPC faux hysterics.

noel1980 · 27-09-2019 1:20pm

Boggles wrote: »

Let's talk in 2020

Overheal · 27-09-2019 1:24pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Working hard to gloss over the fact Biden has a serious case to answer for. Why are the left oblivious to it. They really are dim, it's ok to impeach the current president but it's ok if the possible future present did a lot worse. There a compete basket case.

He made the comments in 2018, about actions years prior. The GOP (which owns the government) saw fit to take no investigatory or judicial action against Biden. Didn’t even subpoena him, or ask him to make a sworn statement. Wasn’t until Trump withheld military aid to the Ukraine and then set up a call to pressure them to dig up dirt on the Bidens, which was about a day after Trump thought he had escaped impeachment from under the Mueller probe. Sure, investigate Biden all you like but it doesn’t change what Trump did.

drunkmonkey · 27-09-2019 1:24pm

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177426946713628674?s=09

Solomon on Biden
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

peddlelies · 27-09-2019 1:25pm

Older Dems like Feinstein have been in bed with the likes of China for decades. Biden's the same.

You'll hear the usual line "nobody was convicted of anything" or "the investigation cleared them".

How many times was Larry Nassar investigated and cleared? Many people at the top are protected. It's why that military guy who took a photo of a submarine got sent to jail for saving classified information yet Clinton had classified material on an unauthorized, unsecure server, ran a pay for play operation out of the state department, hid and subsequently deleted the records yet nothing happens.

It's laughable to be honest, her foundation received hundreds of millions from Russia and people linked to a uranium deal, yet that's deemed a conspiracy theory. Did those Russians just send the money out of the goodness of their hearts? That's what we're supposed to believe. Bill C and the AG meet on the tarmac and we're meant to believe they were just talking about golf and grand kids.

Trump is guilty of wrongdoing, end of story. But you will always have this push-back from the right because of all the bullshít that preceded it. In their minds, and rightly so imo, it's one set of laws for me but another set of laws for thee.

Boggles · 27-09-2019 1:30pm

noel1980 wrote: »

Let's talk in 2020

We don't need to.

I can tell you right now what you said will not happen.

Wager?

Overheal · 27-09-2019 1:30pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

What's important is that you're clueless. He's been under investigation since the night he won the election and still nothing.

And?

Bill Clinton was under investigation for y e a r s. Hillary Clinton has been under investigation on and off for what feels like 20 years now. And still nothing. So I ask: what’s your point? That criminal investigations of high ranking individuals can take protracted lengths of time? Nixon took 3 years to resign from the beginning of criminal actions by his White House Plumbers. The Ken Starr Investigation took 4 years all on its own, not including the lead-up to that point and the impeachment process. Bonus: Benghazi was investigated for 4+ years.

Boggles · 27-09-2019 1:31pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

What's important is that you're clueless. He's been under investigation since the night he won the election and still nothing.

You Lefties love Identity Politics filtering. Don't cry when you get a taste of your medicine.

Practice what you preach. There is nothing factual or educated about your cries for his impeachment. Just more Left Wing NPC faux hysterics.

So as you were.

I tried.

1800_Ladladlad · 27-09-2019 1:40pm

This is all I can picture now when I read delusional posts from individuals who are incapable of accepting facts over their petty emotions and feelings.

I've always thought Trump was a bellend but over the past year, I started to take a side due to all these petulant "takedown" attempts. Dems have failed yet again. desperate.

noel1980 · 27-09-2019 1:43pm

Boggles wrote: »

We don't need to.

I can tell you right now what you said will not happen.

Wager?

Maybe not every one of them, but they will take back the majority. The US House of reps. right now looks like a Kindergarden, full of Democrat children and Democrat OAPs. Led by a Democart drunk OAP.

They're an embarrassment.

Boggles · 27-09-2019 1:53pm

noel1980 wrote: »

Maybe not every one of them, but they will take back the majority. The US House of reps. right now looks like a Kindergarden, full of Democrat children and Democrat OAPs. Led by a Democart drunk OAP.

They're an embarrassment.

Oh right, that's a fairly substantially U-Turn.

Overheal · 27-09-2019 1:53pm

noel1980 wrote: »

Maybe not every one of them, but they will take back the majority. The US House of reps. right now looks like a Kindergarden, full of Democrat children and Democrat OAPs. Led by a Democart drunk OAP.

They're an embarrassment.

Maybe take your ironically childish talking points to the YouTube comments section, or 4chan?

NSAman · 27-09-2019 1:54pm

Was sick yesterday morning and watched the live interrogation of Maguire.

Two important things THIS MORNING on the news, what he said was not what was reported, it was distorted. The clips used were totally not what he was conveying and he went to great lengths to explain that, but news channels totally ignored this.

MSM really have an agenda here. I knew “news” was selective and slanted, but this is just sooooo slanted I now see what people are talking about.

Do I care about Trump? Not really. Do I care about truth? Absolutely.

Overheal · 27-09-2019 1:55pm

NSAman wrote: »

Was sick yesterday morning and watched the live interrogation of Maguire.

Two important things THIS MORNING on the news, what he said was not what was reported, it was distorted. The clips used were totally not what he was conveying and he went to great lengths to explain that, but news channels totally ignored this.

MSM really have an agenda here. I knew “news” was selective and slanted, but this is just sooooo slanted I now see what people are talking about.

Do I care about Trump? Not really. Do I care about truth? Absolutely.

Who is Maguire and who does an interrogation on live television?

NSAman · 27-09-2019 2:00pm

Overheal wrote: »

Who is Maguire and who does an interrogation on live television?

Joseph Maguire acting head of Intelligence.

Overheal · 27-09-2019 2:02pm

NSAman wrote: »

Joseph Maguire acting head of Intelligence.

Who interrogated the acting head of intelligence? Surely that would be a grave crime, much less broadcast on live television.

Danzy · 27-09-2019 2:02pm

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Fair enough.

Simply stating Pelosi's position. Maybe she prefers checkers to chess??

Anyhow, she will slowly chip away at Trump for the next year with this and avoid the 3 ring circus of an actual impeachment.

Pelosi was forced in to this, she doesn't want it.

Her aim is a Democratic President and control of the house.

Overheal · 27-09-2019 2:04pm

Danzy wrote: »

Pelosi was forced in to this, she doesn't want it.

Her aim is a Democratic President and control of the house.

Dems position is politically weak while Republicans control the vote in so many states through suppression tactics. They’re much more vulnerable when the GOP uses blatant disinformation against them too: the lie is already around the world before the truth gets its pants on.

Overheal · 27-09-2019 2:09pm

More WH disinformation: claiming the call was about the 2016 election.

Reality: the call included the President discussing specifically comments made by Joe Biden in 2018.

If this was all above board Trump should have stayed out of any investigation, knowing that he his actively running a campaign against Biden and other Democrats. By contrast when the Obama WH investigated Russian interference in 2016, nobody in the WH was campaigning, not Biden and not Obama.

It also certainly doesn’t address why the call was so closely guarded and why the whistleblower complaints were suppressed for so long.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/wh-spox-says-trump-pressing-ukraine-about-biden-was-about-looking-into-corruption-in-the-2016-election/

notobtuse · 27-09-2019 2:27pm

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

And the more senior Democrats know this. But it might provide useful ammunition as America approaches an election year.

Privately, Nancy Pelosi has never favoured impeachment of Trump - not even over Russia. She knows it will drive both parties even further apart and that the Republicans will return the favour by making any future Democratic administration a living hell.

She wants rid of Trump - but not at any cost.

They should! If Biden is elected president republicans should initiate impeachment hearings on day one over Biden's apparent quid pro quo regarding his family's dealings with Ukraine, and possibly even China. If Warren is elected, do the same that Democrats have been doing for three years now with Trump… throw impeachment darts and see what sticks.

Why did Adam Schiff, ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on ‘Intelligence’ deliberating falsify the contents of the phone call transcript?

Here’s what he claimed:

And what is the President’s response — well it reads like a classic organized crime shake down. In essence, what the President Trump communicates is this: We’ve been very good to your country. Very good. No other country has done as much as we have. But you know what, I don’t see much reciprocity here. You know what I mean? I hear what you want. I have a favor I want from you though. And I’m going to say this only seven times, so you better listen good. I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, understand? Lots of dirt, on this and on that. I’m going to put you in touch with people, and not just any people. I’m going to put you in touch with the Attorney General of the United States — my Attorney General, Bill Barr — he’s got the whole weight of American law enforcement behind him. And I’m going to put you in touch with Rudy, you’re going to love him. Trust me. You know what I’m asking, so I’m only going to say this a few more times, in a few more ways. And don’t call me again. I’ll call you when you’ve done what I asked.

The actual transcript says no such thing!

He's also the douche who claimed for years he had absolute proof of Trump's collusion with Russia.

Lies, damned lies, and democrats! Lots and lots of lies... democrats live on lies. Why should anyone with any common sense give any credence to anything coming out of the democrats mouths and their minions in the mainstream media, at this point? I guess democrats are counting on the American public to be one big stupid lot.

Overheal · 27-09-2019 2:28pm

More disinformation at Fox this morning courtesy of WH spokespeople

https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-attorney-jay-sekulow-baselessly-claims-whistleblower-complaint-was-written-by-a-law-firm/

Overheal · 27-09-2019 2:29pm

notobtuse wrote: »

They should! If Biden is elected president republicans should initiate impeachment hearings on day one over Biden's apparent quid pro quo regarding his family's dealings with Ukraine, and possibly even China. If Warren is elected, do the same that Democrats have been doing for three years now with Trump… throw impeachment darts and see what sticks.

Why did Adam Schiff, ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on ‘Intelligence’ deliberating falsify the contents of the phone call transcript?

Here’s what he claimed:

The actual transcript says no such thing!

He's also the douche who claimed for years he had absolute proof of Trump's collusion with Russia.

Lies, damned lies, and democrats! Lots and lots of lies... democrats live on lies. Why should anyone with any common sense give any credence to anything coming out of the democrats mouths and their minions in the mainstream media, at this point? I guess democrats are counting on the American public to be one big stupid lot.

Actually the actually transcript pretty much says all of that, despite Schiff’s editorialism

notobtuse · 27-09-2019 2:30pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

They should return the favor. The Democrats behavior the last 3 years have been atrocious. Let them get a taste of their own medicine and they might come back to reality.

Dream on! To democrats, 'reality' seems to be an abstract term.

Overheal · 27-09-2019 2:32pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Dream on! To democrats, 'reality' seems to be an abstract term.

You’ve got the partisan blinders on; ignoring the facts going on here - and they’re bad.

notobtuse · 27-09-2019 3:16pm

The quid pro quo and cover-up allegations against Trump by democrats and their handmaidens in the media are falling apart

We already know there was no quid pro quo, which was proven by the Ukrainian president himself.

They’ve also claimed the placing of the transcript on a codeword system was the biggest bombshell of the whistleblower complaint, and was evidence of a cover-up.

But after 2017…

…when verbatim transcripts of his conversations with the leaders of Australian and Mexico were leaked to the press, the White House began to restrict the number of officials who had access to the transcripts. One former Trump administration official confirmed that the White House started placing transcripts into the codeword system after those leaks.

Seems like a reasonable response by Trump to illegal leaks.

Democrats have backed themselves into a corner with the impeachment nonsense and should stop digging their own graves. But we know that will never happen as they seemingly are addicted to drinking the kool-aid.

What the democrats have done is in my estimation borderline criminal. With the impeachment nonsense they have now made it that the major issues of the election and important matters, such as healthcare, education, jobs, the economy and climate will be relegated to the back-burner. It seems the democrats don't care about the American people… unless they’re woke and illegal, apparently.

JohnMc1 · 27-09-2019 3:51pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Seems like a reasonable response by Trump to illegal leaks.

Democrats have backed themselves into a corner with the impeachment nonsense and should stop digging their own graves. But we know that will never happen as they seemingly are addicted to drinking the kool-aid.

What the democrats have done is in my estimation borderline criminal. With the impeachment nonsense they have now made it that the major issues of the election and important matters, such as healthcare, education, jobs, the economy and climate will be relegated to the back-burner. It seems the democrats don't care about the American people… unless they’re woke and illegal, apparently.

Surely you've seen the Democrat debates where they've been promising everything to everybody EXCEPT the American taxpaying citizens.

Sadly Ireland is no better with all the parties minus the National party promising everything to everyone except the Irish taxpaying citizen.

Overheal · 27-09-2019 4:04pm

The word of one former WH official vs at least 3 active WH sources confirmed by news outlets, and a CIA operative assigned to the WH, that this was placed in codeword-secured systems irregularly.

Obviously Zelensky will buddy up to Trump in this incident since his own political destiny hinges on it; if he admitted to quid pro quo his country would have him out of office too.

Trying to cry nothingburger over this will backfire

Cody montana · 27-09-2019 4:06pm

Cannot wait to see Trump impeached!

Outlaw Pete · 27-09-2019 4:11pm

Leftists spent the guts of two and half years losing their minds about the apparent meddling in an American presidential election by a foreign country. So why then are they now so up in arms at Trump's attempts at furthering such an investigation? Which is after all, what Trump is trying to do.

What's happening now is that these people are revealing what we all really knew about them already of course and that is that they never had any genuine interest in the meddling of foreign countries in US elections at all and all that faux concern and pearl clutching about the possibility that Trump was a Russian agent was mere theatrics.

Trump is not in the crosshairs of these meddling investigations any longer and so that is why these people are stomping their feet and doing all they can to have him removed from office. Well, not a hope. The origins of just what led to the Russian Collusion hoax, and the subsequent spying on Trump (which included heads of the FBI and DOJ leaking knowingly false intel to journalists / activists are soon to be revealed.

If these people had any real interest in justice they would be happy that the truth is slowly starting to come out, but nah, they're too busy whinging about Trump making tongue in cheek jokes about about being the chosen one and his use of sharpies. Nonsense of course which reveals their true motives and indeed what it is that drives them constantly and it is their hatred of Trump's politics. Primarily that he is not someone who gives a crap about what the left thinks nor wants and that drives.them.nuts.

ELM327 · 27-09-2019 4:11pm

Cody montana wrote: »

Cannot wait to see Trump impeached!

You'll have to, as it won't happen

Boggles · 27-09-2019 4:15pm

Speaking Of Russia, if they go down the full impeachment route.

Any calls with Mr. Putin can be subpoenaed, the translator who was in on that one on one meeting can also be forced to testify.

Could be a fair bit of popcorn munching left in this.

Veritas Libertas · 27-09-2019 4:17pm

notobtuse wrote: »

A SC ruling tightening up the matter wouldn't affect freedom of the press, just ensure they don't make up lies and claim it's news or purposely report misleading stories to advance their own agenda. It would just keep them honest. And isn't that what we want from the press?

With the part in bold I couldn't agree with you more. Although what is being proposed to to address this is an attack on the 1964 landmark case of New York Times v. Sullivan.

In this ruling the court ruled that Sullivan had to prove actual malice from The Times(not an inadvertent mistake). This set the precedent that Clarence Thomas was challenging.

To change this law means someone must then interpret the intent of The Times(Sujective-who decides?). This is too slippery a road trust me you don't want to go down. Just look at the way the current hate crime law(Gardai) is writtten.

‘Any incident which is perceived by the victim or any other person as being motivated by hate, based on a person’s age, race, ethnicity, religious belief, gender identity, disability, or sexual orientation’ .

To remove the need to prove malice is akin to the far-lefties trying to impose hate laws. Its exactly the same thing. They are advocating for the removal of proving intent in regards hate crimes, Clarence Thomas is advocating the removal of having to prove malice in libel laws. Both are doing it currently in support of 'their side'.

The high requirement to prove intent is necessary for fear for prosecuting the innocent; and in the case of the press, potentially restricts their ability to do their job.

Just look at the editorial mistakes that the left-wing media have made. I'm sure some of them were genuine and I'm sure right wing media have also made genuine mistakes. The only deciding factor will be; Who is in charge?

Outlaw Pete · 27-09-2019 4:17pm

Overheal wrote: »

Actually the actually transcript pretty much says all of that, despite Schiff’s editorialism

Quote, precisely, which part of the phone call it is where Trump is suggesting to Zelensky that he wants him to "make up" things about Biden.

Overheal · 27-09-2019 4:22pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Quote, precisely, which part of the phone call it is where Trump is suggesting to Zelensky that he wants him to "make up" things about Biden.

“Despite Schiffs editorialism”

Overheal · 27-09-2019 4:28pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Leftists spent the guts of two and half years losing their minds about the apparent meddling in an American presidential election by a foreign country. So why then are they now so up in arms at Trump's attempts at furthering such an investigation? Which is after all, what Trump is trying to do.

Code-word secretly? Ridiculous. If all he wanted was transparent investigation he could have made a public call for such. There is no reason that an investigation if it was above board needed to be code-word classified. Nothing right about that at all.

Boggles · 27-09-2019 4:29pm

notobtuse wrote: »

The actual transcript says no such thing!

The actual transcript hasn't been released.

It is sitting on a secure computer somewhere. If it hasn't been deleted.

Outlaw Pete · 27-09-2019 4:47pm

Overheal wrote: »

“Despite Schiffs editorialism”

Yes, you said the transcript "pretty much says all of that, despite Schiff’s editorialism" and I'm asking you where?

Quote it please.

Igotadose · 27-09-2019 4:54pm

ELM327 wrote: »

You'll have to, as it won't happen

Nah - he'll be impeached (tried in the Senate.) Whether he's found guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors is not likely if the GOP vote the party line.

Overheal · 27-09-2019 5:00pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yes, you said the transcript "pretty much says all of that, despite Schiff’s editorialism" and I'm asking you where?

Quote it please.

“Editorialism”

Outlaw Pete · 27-09-2019 5:01pm

Overheal wrote: »

“Editorialism”

"despite"

Overheal · 27-09-2019 5:02pm

Same Ukrainian prosecutor that Trump praised/endorsed in the Zelensky call has reiterated that Hunter Biden wasn’t found to have done anything illegal.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/whistleblower-says-trump-praised-a-ukrainian-prosecutor-on-phone-call-that-prosecutor-now-says-hunter-biden-didnt-violate-anything/

“From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” onetime Ukrainian prosecutor general Yuri Lutsenko said in an interview with The Washington Post released Thursday.

weisses · 27-09-2019 5:05pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Leftists spent the guts of two and half years losing their minds about the apparent meddling in an American presidential election by a foreign country.

They meddled .... as was stated in a republican led report ...as was stated by various intelligence agencies

Stop embarrassing yourself

Boggles · 27-09-2019 5:11pm

Overheal wrote: »

Same Ukrainian prosecutor that Trump praised/endorsed in the Zelensky call has reiterated that Hunter Biden wasn’t found to have done anything illegal.

He only joined the company after the investigation started.

Seems to be a fact left out amongst all the noise.

Outlaw Pete · 27-09-2019 5:13pm

Funny how it's fine for democrat members of the Senate to ask Ukrainian officials to cooperate with the Mueller investigation of Trump ....

/Clears throat

What this in essence was, was a mafia style shakedown. It was America saying to the Ukraine that you better help the Mueller team investigate Donald Trump by making up dirt on him or we will make damn sure there'll be no more billion dollar loans going your way, Kapish!

mcmoustache · 27-09-2019 5:33pm

US lawmakers asking Ukraine to cooperate with a legit Trump administration investigation is not the same as a sitting president using his powers to extort a political favour out of another country. You're smarter than that.

notobtuse · 27-09-2019 5:34pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Funny how it's fine for democrat members of the Senate to ask Ukrainian officials to cooperate with the Mueller investigation of Trump ....

/Clears throat

What this in essence was, was a mafia style shakedown. It was America saying to the Ukraine that you better help the Mueller team investigate Donald Trump by making up dirt on him or we will make damn sure there'll be no more billion dollar loans going your way, Kapish!

I’m surprised the normal suspects aren’t crying “whataboutism.” But we all know deep down it’s not whataboutism, but rather it’s “WhatTheFckYouHypocrites.”

Outlaw Pete · 27-09-2019 5:39pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

US lawmakers asking Ukraine to cooperate with a legit Trump administration investigation is not the same as a sitting president using his powers to extort a political favour out of another country.

Absolutely, but there is no extortion, and so you're pointing out an irrelevant distinction.

mcmoustache · 27-09-2019 5:50pm

He put a hold on the money, asked for a favour and the money only got released after the whistleblower complaint. If you believe that he did that out of concerns about corruption, i have a bridge to sell you.

President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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