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Hurricane IRENE

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    amacachi wrote: »
    "better" = stronger?

    In better shape to get stronger. We'll find out when the recon planes report back their findings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    charlie looked way better :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭gihj


    In better shape to get stronger. We'll find out when the recon planes report back their findings.

    Yes perhaps people could define "better" in their posts please.
    Better for a weather nerd is more destructive and more potential for loss of life for others.
    Important to not get too excited at times like these when lives are at stake.:rolleyes:

    Not directed at you Maq


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    gihj wrote: »
    Yes perhaps people could define "better" in their posts please.
    Better for a weather nerd is more destructive and more potential for loss of life for others.
    Important to not get too excited at times like these when lives are at stake.:rolleyes:

    Not directed at you Maq
    This is the weather forum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭gihj


    digme wrote: »
    This is the weather forum.

    Oops thanks.
    Thought i was posting in P.I. there for a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,592 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    The probable reduction in intensity after a landfall in NC depends on how long the forward half of the storm remains over land. If the landfall is glancing the storm may only lose one category briefly and could recover that east of the Delmarva. If the storm comes inland in central NC and the entire circulation stays over land for 24-36 hours then it would be very likely to reduce gradually from cat-3 (possibly) at landfall to cat-1 by eastern PA to strong TS in the Hudson valley. However, that's strong enough and considering momentum in the storm surge, still capable of producing a very significant and potentially devastating storm surge into Chesapeake Bay or further north.

    This graphic will show how a typical cat-3 hurricane actually plays out for a 200-mile wide cross section from west to east taken through the eye of the storm but showing the maximum sustained wind (as category of hurricane or tropical storm) rather than an instantaneous value. This eliminates the temporary lull in speed associated with the eye.



    (For hurricane moving north)


    scale

    100 miles west .......50 miles west ........ track of eye ...... 50 miles east ..... 100 miles east

    weak TS ....... strong TS ........ cat 1 ..... cat 2 ....... cat 3 ........ cat 2 ........ cat 1 ..


    You can see from that simplified graphic that the wind gradient on the west side of the track falls off faster than on the forward side. Land interactions could make this gradient even sharper. Storm surge is usually worst about 20 to 50 miles east of the track. Eyewall diameter factors into how far from the track the strongest winds are found, usually this would be 15-30 miles east of the track. The "back" side of the eyewall usually sees northerly winds about 2/3 the speed of the forward side southerly hurricane force winds.

    As you can see, this complicates the equation for NYC. A track inland will favour stronger winds hitting NYC but will weaken the storm faster. A track along the NJ coast will keep the storm stronger moving north. This is why a direct hit on JFK in southeast NYC is probably the worst case scenario for the city, unlike for any city further east where the worst case scenario is a track just to the west of that city.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    gihj wrote: »
    Oops thanks.
    Thought i was posting in P.I. there for a while.
    Don't get too excited,I'm sure it will get better and fizzle out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭gihj


    digme wrote: »
    Don't get too excited,I'm sure it will get better and fizzle out.

    "Better"?
    What does better mean?
    You're not great at this game are ya?:D;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    You can see how large she is starting to get now.

    85907555.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭gihj


    You can see how large she is starting to get now.

    85907555.jpg

    And plenty of time to intensify over warm waters yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Recon has found 944.5 mb, she's getting stronger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭blacktalons


    Irene: Worst Effects on Northeast in 50 Years Possible

    sosnowski.pngBy Alex Sosnowski, Expert Senior Meteorologist

    Aug 25, 2011; 2:40 PM ET


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    300x200_08251612_ireneseverity.jpg
    There is potential for the worst hurricane impacts in 50 years along the northern part of the Atlantic Seaboard as Irene plows northward.
    The impacts on lives, property, commerce and travel will be serious.
    While Irene is not forecast to track as far west, nor as fast, as Hazel did in 1954, it will ride up along the mid-Atlantic coast in such a way as to inflict major damage in many coastal and some inland communities. In today's dollars, Hazel was a multi-billion-dollar storm and reached Category 4 at peak intensity.
    Irene will track farther east than Hazel, and farther west than Bob (1991). Meteorologist Heather Buchman compares Irene to storms in the past.
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    While Irene is expected to weaken Saturday into Sunday after encountering cooler waters in northern latitudes, that will not happen fast enough to prevent serious problems from wind, rain and ocean water.
    If you live near the projected path of Irene, you are at risk for power outages, flooding problems and property damage with this storm.



    AccuTeam Irene is reporting live from Atlantic Beach, N.C.
    Power Outages
    Downed trees alone have potential to block many streets and secondary roads from eastern North Carolina northward to southeastern Quebec, running along the very heavily populated I-95 Northeast U.S. corridor.
    With saturated soil, water-logged, heavy trees will topple and break, as will tree limbs.
    When trees come down, they take power lines with them. There could be millions in the dark for hours and hundreds of thousands without power for days starting at the height of Irene, and in her wake.
    Some people could be without tap water as a result of the power being out.
    Flooding Rainfall
    Irene will bring serious flooding from heavy rain in the coastal mid-Atlantic and portions of New England. It is not a question, not a risk; it is a certainty.
    Many areas in the Northeast have been hit with record or near-record rainfall for the month of August, and a few are flirting with their wettest month ever. Rain from thunderstorms in advance of Irene will make matters worse.
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    This could be the scene in parts of the I-95 Northeast in the wake of Irene's rainfall. Photo by photos.com.
    The saturated state of the ground will mean that water has nowhere to go but into yards, streets, streams and rivers.
    The worst conditions will be in the stretch from the Delmarva northward through New Jersey, western New England and the Hudson Valley of New York. In part of this area, a foot of rain could fall over a 24- to 48-hour period.
    Coastal Flooding, Beach Erosion
    Serious coastal flooding and beach erosion are expected from North Carolina northward to Maine.
    In a specific sense, the exact degree of above-normal tides is tricky and highly variable due to the highly varied shapes of the coast, barrier islands and back bays.
    In a general sense, tides will average 2 to 4 feet above normal, but locally higher surge is likely with wave action on top of the mean level of the sea and open bays.
    If you get coastal flooding during a strong nor'easter, you will likely get flooding with Irene. Some barrier islands may be cut off for a time.
    Some beaches and boardwalks in the mid-Atlantic and southern New England could sustain damage so severe that they are un-repairable for the duration of the 2011 summer season.
    High Winds
    Many people along the Atlantic Seaboard probably have not experienced such a strong storm as we expect with Hurricane Irene. People in the path of Irene should stay indoors during the height of this storm.
    Some of the youngest of the crowd were not around for Floyd (1999), Fran (1996), Gloria (1985) and others. Then there are the storms of the more distant generations of the 1960s and 1950s, which include Donna (1960), Diane (1955) and Hazel (1954).
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    While conditions are likely to be much less severe than this even in most coastal areas, falling trees could crash into homes, block intersections and cut power. Photo by photos.com.
    In addition to the potential for a great number of downed trees and power lines, Irene can cause other property issues ranging from damaged roofs and siding to busted windows. These items, and others knocked loose, will become airborne projectiles.
    High winds will affect air travel and high-profile vehicles in the path of Irene.
    There are many bridges that reach sky-high in the major port cities. The higher up you are, the stronger the winds will be. Travel over these bridges for a time at the height of Irene could be halted.
    We can only hope that people heed warnings and get out of harm's way in advance of Irene.
    Keep checking in at AccuWeather.com as there may be further adjustments to Irene's path in the north, as the two-way impact between the hurricane and other weather systems becomes clearer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    That Ocean City place looks like a model designed to be wrecked in a storm surge simulation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭eilejh




  • Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭eilejh


    Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale explains how damaging the different Categories can be........

    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/sshws.shtml


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    3-D view of Irene captured on August 24 by The Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission (or TRMM) satellite ,the storm revealed the presence of a deep convective tower within the eyewall. The red area indicates rainfall rates of 50mm/hr (~2 inches), while yellow and green areas indicate moderate rainfall between .78 to 1.57 inches (20-40 mm) per hour.
    Credit: SSAI/NASA, Hal Pierce



    582132main_20110825_IreneTRMM3D2_full.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭eilejh




  • Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭eilejh


    000
    UZNT13 KWBC 260217
    XXAA 76028 99278 70774 08077 99942 28020 18005 00/// ///// /////
    92165 26613 14006 85912 22811 13506 88999 77999
    31313 09608 80158
    51515 10167 07775
    61616 NOAA2 2309A IRENE OB 34
    62626 REL 2782N07735W 015814 SPG 2783N07736W 020106 WL150 14506 0
    85 DLM WND 14504 941752 MBL WND 14506 EYE=

    XXBB 76028 99278 70774 08077 00942 28020 11924 26613 22848 22810
    33798 22044 44752 20238
    21212 00942 18005 11940 18003 22939 13008 33752 13003
    31313 09608 80158
    51515 10167 07775
    61616 NOAA2 2309A IRENE OB 34
    62626 REL 2782N07735W 015814 SPG 2783N07736W 020106 WL150 14506 0
    85 DLM WND 14504 941752 MBL WND 14506 EYE=


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  • Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭eilejh




  • Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭eilejh


    Product: NOAA Vortex Message (URNT12 KWBC)
    Transmitted: 26th day of the month at 02:16Z
    Aircraft: Lockheed WP-3D Orion (Reg. Num. N42RF)
    Storm Number: 09
    Storm Name: Irene (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
    Mission Number: 23
    Storm Number & Year: 09L in 2011
    Observation Number: 36
    A. Time of Center Fix: 26th day of the month at 1:58Z
    B. Center Fix Coordinates: 27°49'N 77°21'W (27.8167N 77.35W)
    B. Center Fix Location: 184 miles (295 km) to the ENE (65°) from West Palm Beach, FL, USA.
    C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: Not Available
    D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 82kts (~ 94.4mph)
    E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 13 nautical miles (15 statute miles) to the NNE (31°) of center fix
    F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 128° at 99kts (From the SE at ~ 113.9mph)
    G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 18 nautical miles (21 statute miles) to the NE (35°) of center fix
    H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 942mb (27.82 inHg)
    I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 17°C (63°F) at a pressure alt. of 2,445m (8,022ft)
    J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 21°C (70°F) at a pressure alt. of 2,440m (8,005ft)
    K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 16°C (61°F)
    K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
    L. Eye Character: Open in the southwest
    M. Eye Shape & Diameter: Circular with a diameter of 25 nautical miles (29 statute miles)
    N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature
    N. Fix Level: Other - Not surface, 1500ft, 925mb (if vortex is newer than about mid 90's; see note for more), 850mb, 700mb, 500mb, 400mb, 300mb or 200mb
    O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 1 nautical mile
    O. Meteorological Accuracy: 1 nautical mile
    Remarks Section:
    Maximum Flight Level Wind: 111kts (~ 127.7mph) in the northeast quadrant at 21:25Z


  • Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭eilejh


    From the discussion boards..........


    ConvergenceZone wrote:
    If it is only a cat 2, that means it will probably landfall at NC as a Cat 1 and then hopefully just a tropical storm by the time it landfalls the 2nd time....


    Airforce Met said in reply

    Sorry...but that is absolutely NOT going to happen.

    This will be a Cat 3 at landfall along the coast of NC and will be a high end Cat 1 or low end Cat 2 as it makes its way up the entire eastern coast. The NHC track is about where we have had our track for some time and is what we are expecting.

    Surge will be a big factor...especially given the size of this system...and the speed of movement....and the winds pushing water into the bays.

    This will NOT be a tropical storm by its second landfall. The high-res Euro has the right idea on this. Baroclinic forces are going to start to play a role in this as it picks up speed and offset some of the weakening caused by lower SST's and land interaction. Irene's wind field will spread out even more and this will add insult to injury with the surge...and the downing of trees.

    If you look at high res satellite now...you can see the inner core coming together. She is making her run at the low 930's and I would not be surprised to see the 920's before she begins to fill. I made that prediction earlier today and my commander's eyes shot upwards...and the pressure then was 950. We are now at 942 and falling...and the convection is just now getting going. Wait until this convective explosion works its magic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 921 ✭✭✭MiNdGaM3


    Irene has been strengthening overnight, central pressure down to 936hPa and flight level winds of 110kts have been found.
    GFS 0z has a direct hit on NYC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Irene hasn't behaved as expected overnight.

    Her pressure has dropped, but her winds have not increased, still at 115mph on the latest NHC advisory. She is also not looking as healthy as she was last night. (Looks like she may be encountering shear to her north sooner than expected)

    I think there is a good chance that Irene won't really get any stronger than she is now and we could be in for a surprise downgrade because the further north she goes the cooler the waters get and the more wind shear she will encounter.

    Still though, time for surprises so who knows.

    Edit : Remarks from recon....
    BARELY HALF THE EYEWALL REMAINING. STRONGEST FL WINDS NOW ASSOC WITH SPIRAL BAND
    WHICH MAY BECOME NEW EYEWALL.

    So she is undergoing another eyewall replacement.

    Edit :
    Latest from the NHC is that she has indeed been downgraded to Cat 2 now. The track has also shifted a little to the east. Pressure hasnt dropped since the last advisory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭Reckless Abandonment


    Hi all,
    She is looking very sloppy now, no visible eye wall and slipping of to the east a bit, could miss the eastern sea board altogether,
    Look like glancing blow would the most likely outcome


    http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/natl/loop-vis.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Hi all,
    She is looking very sloppy now, no visible eye wall and slipping of to the east a bit, could miss the eastern sea board altogether,
    Look like glancing blow would the most likely outcome


    http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/natl/loop-vis.html

    Looks like she is in trouble alright....

    20110826.0703.aqua1.x.89h_1deg.09LIRENE.95kts-942mb-287N-772W.95pc.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Yeah I think its all a storm in a teacup if you ask me :p

    No chance of hitting New York IMO only windy and wet no hurricane.

    But the remnants may reach us around Sept 3rd


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭mickger844posts


    Joe Bastardi is having none of this downgrade. Seems to think it will ramp up again. If you have Twitter give him a follow. Some of his recent tweets.

    People will get wrong impression. Watch the pressure and watch the eye next 24 hours as it comes into prime area for development!!!!

    Please dont misunderstand this. The lower wind with pressure that low is the storm adjusting before tightening. Public should not let down

    Warm water in the way and pics show spreading apart again of cirrus north of storm.. this is not done deepening Should get to 930 mb


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Joe Bastardi is having none of this downgrade. Seems to think it will ramp up again. If you have Twitter give him a follow. Some of his recent tweets.

    Joe has spent half his life talking about a big east coast setup like this. He's not going to downgrade his forecast in a hurry! :pac:

    The window for intensifying is closing for Irene by the hour. Her pressure dropped last night but instead of that strengthening her, she has actually weakened and is now a Cat 2. Joe was calling for Cat 4 landfall, so she has a long way to go to intensify to meet his forecast, in a shortening period of time, and with no sign of it starting yet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭eilejh


    5 AM NHC Discussion
    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT4+shtml/260900.shtml

    WATER VAPOR IMAGERY AND ANALSYES FROM CIMSS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
    WISCONSIN SUGGEST THAT IRENE IS ENCOUNTERING LIGHT TO MODERATE
    SOUTHWESTERLY VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. THIS...ALONG WITH THE CURRENT
    CYCLONE STRUCTURE AND DRY AIR ADVECTING TOWARD THE HURRICANE IN
    WATER VAPOR IMAGERY...ARGUE AGAINST SIGNIFICANT STRENGTHENING....
    AND INDEED THE INTENSITY GUIDANCE SHOWS LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH
    BEFORE LANDFALL. ON THE OTHER HAND...THE EYEWALL CONVECTION IS
    CURRENTLY STRONG...AND THE SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES ALONG THE
    FORECAST TRACK ARE 28-29C. THIS SUGGESTS SOME MODEST STRENGTHENING
    IS POSSIBLE. IRENE IS EXPECTED TO BE NEAR THE CATEGORY 2/3
    BOUNDARY WHEN IT REACHES THE VICINITY OF THE OUTER BANKS...AND
    SLOWLY WEAKEN AFTER THAT. AFTER MOVING INTO NEW ENGLAND...IRENE
    SHOULD WEAKEN QUICKLY AS IT UNDERGOES EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION.

    IRENE REMAINS A VERY LARGE TROPICAL CYCLONE. THE WIND RADII HAVE
    BEEN ADJUSTED BASED ON AIRCRAFT DATA AND AN ASCAT OVERPASS.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Recon has found 943, so a slight pressure rise. No strengthening at the moment anyway.

    Edit : Up to 945 now
    SUMMARY OF 800 AM EDT...1200 UTC...INFORMATION
    LOCATION...30.0N 77.3W
    ABOUT 375 MI...600 KM SSW OF CAPE HATTERAS NORTH CAROLINA
    MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...110 MPH...175 KM/H
    PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 360 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
    MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...945 MB...27.91 INCHES


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    Live stream of The Weather Channel:

    http://www.justin.tv/weatherbroadcast#/w/1673003120/7

    Seems to be a version localised to Norfolk, Virginia (in terms of 'Local on the 8s').


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Weakening, not much, but still weakening.

    11:00 AM EDT Fri Aug 26
    Location: 30.7°N 77.3°W
    Max sustained: 105 mph
    Moving: N at 14 mph
    Min pressure: 946 mb
    IRENE IS A CATEGORY TWO HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE WIND SCALE. LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS FORECAST BEFORE IRENE REACHES THE COAST OF NORTH CAROLINA.

    NHC no longer expecting Irene to regain Cat 3 status.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Satellite data and measurements from the Hurricane Hunters show that Irene is weakening. A 9:21 am EDT center fix by an Air Force Reserve aircraft found that Irene's eyewall had collapsed, and the central pressure had risen to 946 mb from a low of 942 mb this morning. The highest winds measured at their flight level of 10,000 feet were 125 mph, which would normally support classifying Irene as a Category 3 hurricane with 115 mph winds. However, these winds were not mixing down to the surface in the way we typically see with hurricanes, and the strongest surface winds seen by the aircraft with their SFMR instrument were just 90 mph in the storm's northeast eyewall.
    With its eyewall collapsed and just 24 more hours over water before landfall, it is unlikely Irene will have time to build a new eyewall and intensify. The storm is too large to weaken quickly, and the best forecast is that Irene will be a Category 2 hurricane at landfall in North Carolina on Saturday, and a rapidly weakening Category 1 hurricane at its second landfall in New England on Sunday. However, since Irene is such a huge storm--tropical storm force winds extend out up to 290 miles from the center--it has set a massive amount of the ocean's surface in motion, which will cause a much larger storm surge than the winds would suggest. At 9:30am EDT this morning, a wind analysis from NOAA/HRD (Figure 1) indicated that the potential storm surge damage from Irene rated a 5.1 on a scale of 0 to 6. This is equivalent to the storm surge a typical Category 4 hurricane would have. While this damage potential should gradually decline as Irene moves northwards and weakens, we can still expect a storm surge one full Saffir-Simpson Category higher than Irene's winds

    http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1902&theprefset=BLOGCOMMENTS&theprefvalue=0


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Still weakening.

    2:00 PM EDT Fri Aug 26
    Location: 31.2°N 77.5°W
    Max sustained: 100 mph
    Moving: N at 14 mph
    Min pressure: 951 mb

    No new tweets from Joe B? :pac:

    Storm surge and not wind speeds will be the greatest threat anyway.

    Mandatory evacuations now in NYC for all areas in Zone A.

    http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/08/25/150514-new-york-city-hurricane-evacuation-zones.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭DominoDub


    Sulmac wrote: »
    Live stream of The Weather Channel:

    http://www.justin.tv/weatherbroadcast#/w/1673003120/7

    Seems to be a version localised to Norfolk, Virginia (in terms of 'Local on the 8s').


    This link is the main Weather Channel TV
    http://www.justin.tv/weatherbroadcast#/w/1675821472


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭DominoDub


    Just to get us boardies in the mood for this weekends storm :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    map_specnews10_ltst_4namus_enus_600x338.jpg

    map_specnews07_ltst_4namus_enus_600x338.jpg

    You live cameras from Myrtle Beach on here :

    http://www.youtube.com/user/WPDENewsChannel15#p/l/KMTdcLiJ1uk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,592 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    My basic focus on this storm continues to be "close but not quite a major disaster" at least for NYC, NJ and the Mid-Atlantic states. The track seems likely to stay just far enough east to place all of those regions on the west side where heavy rain may be an issue but damaging winds and storm surge won't be that great.

    The regions facing the stronger winds and storm surge would lie east of the track and that would mean a small part of NC, followed by eastern Long Island, Rhode Island and southeast MA. Here we may be dealing with some major damage especially to harbour and shoreline areas, for NC late tonight, and for the other regions Sunday (as the storm takes most of Saturday to move up the mid-Atlantic coast).

    Rainfalls further west could be heavy enough to cause some flooding but this appears to be a fairly fast-moving storm by then and I don't see it as a worst-case scenario for VA, MD, PA or NJ -- but that's not to say one or two rivers might not overflow and cause a lot of flooding damage locally. Somewhere between major and minor flood potential so "moderate" would be the call here.

    New York City will be in about the location that Cork might be in, should a similar cat-1 or cat-2 hurricane come ashore near Waterford from a SSW direction. I think that parallel would give you the idea of how the storm might play out in NYC and further east in Long Island. And then if you thought of Dublin being like Boston, and the track running northeast into Meath and Down, that would give a parallel for conditions later on Sunday into Monday in Boston.

    I just hope the media don't pick this up and warn people in Wexford to flee from the coast. :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    MT, not sure if you've seen this yet, 12Z ECM is showing the center pass just to the west of NYC.

    opu6u9.jpg


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  • Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭pimpy_c


    MT, not sure if you've seen this yet, 12Z ECM is showing the center pass just to the west of NYC.

    opu6u9.jpg


    I sure hope this isn't the route because I live right beside Pasipanny. NJ is in panic at the moment. All stores are sold out of water, batteries, flashlights and radios. Total pandemonium!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    pimpy_c wrote: »
    I sure hope this isn't the route because I live right beside Pasipanny. NJ is in panic at the moment. All stores are sold out of water, batteries, flashlights and radios. Total pandemonium!

    No need for pandemonium but you should be prepared for whatever is being forecast. Just keep listening to the official forecast.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭TheInquisitor


    That ECM model couldn't be worse for NYC if it came off. It would mean severe flooding. Probably affecting their underground transport


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Gandhi


    That ECM model couldn't be worse for NYC if it came off. It would mean severe flooding. Probably affecting their underground transport

    They are assuming that. They are shutting down their subway this weekend, as is Philadelphia.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    I just hope the media don't pick this up and warn people in Wexford to flee from the coast. :eek:

    Like they did for Hurricane Tomas last year and it still over 3,000 miles away in the Carribean!!!!! At the time, even before the remnants arrived, people were wearing I survived Hurricane Tomas T-Shirts. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    The governor of New York has ordered a mandatory evacuation of 270,000 people from NYC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Quite a serious step to take. All the while it does seem the hurricane is looking a little weaker than what previous forecasts were suggesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭delw


    Min wrote: »
    The governor of New York has ordered a mandatory evacuation of 270,000 people from NYC.

    for the first time ever :eek:,it might be a little weaker but sounds like they are not taking any chances


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭BailMeOut


    Will Ireland be hit? If so when and and how much of it do you all think we will feel here?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,592 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    The ECM is definitely further west in its track than either the GFS or the GEM which has been doing as well as the two major models in recent months.

    I am relying on two concepts in my forecast track, one being the tendency of hurricanes to stay over water unless forced inland, and the other being the phasing of the jet stream with the upper circulation of the storm which on the RGEM appears to capture the storm east of New Jersey.

    But just as the models are split 2-1, the chances are probably one in three that the storm goes west of JFK (if not all of NYC). That would be high enough to light a fire under my seat if I were mayor of New York or one of his higher placed officials.

    Anyway, from CNN and other sources, it's pretty clear that everyone knows that the situation is not carved in stone and they should prepare for the worst and hope for the best. The problem with that is, New York City's gain is Long Island's loss. We shall see.

    Another factor worth noting is that Irene has a very large circulation. This will create long-lasting rainfalls in parts of NC and VA before acceleration begins, so that possibly the worst flood potential may be in central VA and MD despite the closer situation of NJ to the track.


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