Game of Thrones [HBO & Sky Atlantic] Spoilers (Read Warning Post #1)

Raphael · 27-04-2011 2:52am

On topicly: Really enjoyed the second episode, great to see the direwolves kicking off properly. Loved the way Summer hopped up on the bed after tearing yer mans throat out.

It says a lot about this show that it made me watch Sean Bean kill a puppy, and I'm still loving it.

Basq · 27-04-2011 9:56am

I spent the last 20 minutes going through this thread and deleting over 170 posts with waffle / unrelated chit-chat / bitching about spoilers / book spoilers etc.

I'm sorry if one of your valid posts was affected.. but I was left with no choice. This thread was a fecking trainwreck.

Be warned - we will be really cracking down on this thread. Abide by the rules set out in the OP and everything will be fine!

pixelburp · 27-04-2011 10:08am

Awww, my morning post went bye-bye; no matter...
Part 2: Not sure about the Lannisters to be honest & so far, they seem like the big negative in an otherwise excellent show. With the exception of Tyron, the Lannisters seem to be so utterly, irredeemably, evil. Pantomime evil in fact. In nearly all their scenes, they're sneering, snarling or just generally looking like they're up to something. If they had moustaches, they'd be twirled like crazy. You'd think by now the King - or someone - would be going "hang on a minute, these guys are a bit evil looking. Maybe we should keep an eye on them".

geeky · 27-04-2011 10:12am

pixelburp wrote: »

You'd think by now the King - or someone - would be going "hang on a minute, these guys are a bit evil looking. Maybe we should keep an eye on them".

In fairness, when people do cotton on to what they're up to - like the previous hand of the king, or the brandon lad - their lifespan tends to shorten... Also, it's pretty clear that Ned is on to them too. As for the king, yeah, you'd think he'd be a bit more on the ball, but he's a bit of a feckless playboy - at least in the two episodes so far. The fact that their scheming hasn't been rumbled yet doesn't bother me anyway!

pixelburp · 27-04-2011 10:33am

geeky wrote: »

In fairness, when people do cotton on to what they're up to - like the previous hand of the king, or the brandon lad - their lifespan tends to shorten... Also, it's pretty clear that Ned is on to them too. As for the king, yeah, you'd think he'd be a bit more on the ball, but he's a bit of a feckless playboy - at least in the two episodes so far. The fact that their scheming hasn't been rumbled yet doesn't bother me anyway!

Fair point, but it seems like the show is at pains to emphasise what a family of b*stards these people are through unsubtle direction. If their duplicity was behind closed doors it might wrack up the tension a bit more - if they perfectly charming and likeable on the outside perhaps - but they wear their evil so obviously on their sleeves, it's hard not to scream at the TV for someone, anyone to off these chumps before they really cause damage. I think it's just the son that's so hilariously OTT in the glowering-evil stakes, I can't take the rest seriously.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 27-04-2011 11:06am

they are the most or second most powerful family in all the kingdoms.. who the hell is going to walk up to them and say "Lolz you so corrupt, stop shagging each other"

stesaurus · 27-04-2011 11:24am

I don't think it's so bad though. They clearly are snobs and part of the sneering is being up in the grim north and dealing with the more grounded Starks.

They'll be more at ease when back at King's Landing where everyone else will be at their sneering best.

Now for pantomine evil see Visery's. Loving the guy hamming him up, just steals each scene he's in.

Daith · 27-04-2011 12:11pm

Is Sansa actually Ned and Cat's daughter? She doesnt seem anything like them. Arya is brilliant though.

Agreed with everyone about the Dire wolves. Love how they come across as the kids protectors. Wonder what is in store for Sansa if her dog is dead.

That prince kid is one nasty piece of work. As is that queen.

stesaurus · 27-04-2011 12:22pm

Daith wrote: »

Is Sansa actually Ned and Cat's daughter? She doesnt seem anything like them.

Yes she is. She's definitely going to divide opinions I think.

GF was crying at the end with poor Lady. Butcher Boy got a quick mention but she had to shield her eyes for the wolf. Funny how people react more for animals!

jayteecork · 27-04-2011 12:23pm

This show is an orgasm turned into a TV series.

Daith · 27-04-2011 12:28pm

s.welstead wrote: »

GF was crying at the end with poor Lady. Butcher Boy got a quick mention but she had to shield her eyes for the wolf. Funny how people react more for animals!

This was something the Simpsons writers said on DVD commentarty. They could have Homer strangle Bart, but the second "Santas Little Helper" was hurt they'ld get a flood of complaints!

I think it makes it even sadder because Lady had nothing to do with it. Hope Aryas wolf avenges her sister and kills that little prince. :mad:

heebusjeebus · 27-04-2011 12:39pm

I really liked the second episode. Its great to get the story moving. You can tell Ned is regretting moving down to Kings Landing with the King & The Lannisters.

Can anyone tell me if there was an opening scene before the credits? It felt like something was missing as I had to piece together (from the Jofferey & Tyrion scene) that Bran was in a coma.

Tusky · 27-04-2011 12:50pm

heebusjeebus wrote: »

I really liked the second episode. Its great to get the story moving. You can tell Ned is regretting moving down to Kings Landing with the King & The Lannisters.

Can anyone tell me if there was an opening scene before the credits? It felt like something was missing as I had to piece together (from the Jofferey & Tyrion scene) that Bran was in a coma.

No opening scene before the credits apart from a 'previously montage'. I believe the first mention of Bran is when they talk about him at the table.

Sesudra · 27-04-2011 12:57pm

Must say,am loving it!I'm a big fan of the books and feel like the series is doing it justice.I even like the Dothraki scenes!I really hope they get the chance to adapt all the books as time goes on

ixoy · 27-04-2011 2:05pm

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

they are the most or second most powerful family in all the kingdoms.. who the hell is going to walk up to them and say "Lolz you so corrupt, stop shagging each other"

Exactly. If they appear arrogant that's because they can be. They're not living in a democracy - it's a land whose throne was seized in bloody warfare. They can treat people like dirt because people wouldn't dare speak up against a family who can weild enough force to crush nearly any opposition.

SuperInfinity · 27-04-2011 4:31pm

Daith wrote: »

Is Sansa actually Ned and Cat's daughter? She doesnt seem anything like them. Arya is brilliant though.

Agreed with everyone about the Dire wolves. Love how they come across as the kids protectors. Wonder what is in store for Sansa if her dog is dead.

That prince kid is one nasty piece of work. As is that queen.

In the book (detailing something that has already been gone through by the tv series)

Catelyn has red hair as do all of the children except for Arya. Arya sometimes even wondered if she was really Cat's daughter because she got on with Snow a lot better and was so unlike the other children, especially Sansa.

donfers · 27-04-2011 5:36pm

did the butcher boy die?

we saw him briefly being carried back on horseback by one of lannister's goons (loads of characters in this show, i can't keep up with all the different wards, knights, stewards, masters of arms etc etc)

it would be a bit harsh for them to have killed the kid, is there no legal system there or can they act with impunity and just murder a kid without trial, that is if he died of course

T-b0n3 · 27-04-2011 5:47pm

donfers wrote: »

did the butcher boy die?

we saw him briefly being carried back on horseback by one of lannister's goons (loads of characters in this show, i can't keep up with all the different wards, knights, stewards, masters of arms etc etc)

it would be a bit harsh for them to have killed the kid, is there no legal system there or can they act with impunity and just murder a kid without trial, that is if he died of course

I assumed they just gave him a beating (even that was unneeded!) but I suppose it didn't really make it clear either way. But they probably would have just left him where ever they killed him if that was the case. And I doubt anyone questions the Kings actions or that of his goons.

SuperInfinity · 27-04-2011 5:54pm

He was killed by the Hound trodding over him with his horse. The Hound says that he tried to run, but didn't get far.

It could have been an accident though as he sped after the boy on horseback and the boy tripped or changed direction or something and the horse's hoof came on his head.

Also, running away when you are demanded by the King is an extremely serious offence, particularly when it involved a fight where the prince was badly wounded. You could say it's a bit like how police sometimes have the ability to say "freeze, or I'll fire" and can shoot people if they try to get away.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 27-04-2011 5:59pm

in general, if it's left ambiguous they're dead.

T-b0n3 · 27-04-2011 6:00pm

SuperInfinity wrote: »

He was killed by the Hound trodding over him with his horse. The Hound says that he tried to run, but didn't get far.

It could have been an accident though as he sped after the boy on horseback and the boy tripped or changed direction or something and the horse's hoof came on his head.

Also, running away when you are demanded by the King is an extremely serious offence, particularly when it involved a fight where the prince was badly wounded. You could say it's a bit like how police sometimes have the ability to say "freeze, or I'll fire" and can shoot people if they try to get away.

Oh I stand corrected so. Thanks

Tusky · 27-04-2011 6:12pm

donfers wrote: »

did the butcher boy die?

we saw him briefly being carried back on horseback by one of lannister's goons (loads of characters in this show, i can't keep up with all the different wards, knights, stewards, masters of arms etc etc)

it would be a bit harsh for them to have killed the kid, is there no legal system there or can they act with impunity and just murder a kid without trial, that is if he died of course

T-b0n3 wrote: »

I assumed they just gave him a beating (even that was unneeded!) but I suppose it didn't really make it clear either way. But they probably would have just left him where ever they killed him if that was the case. And I doubt anyone questions the Kings actions or that of his goons.

SuperInfinity wrote: »

He was killed by the Hound trodding over him with his horse. The Hound says that he tried to run, but didn't get far.

It could have been an accident though as he sped after the boy on horseback and the boy tripped or changed direction or something and the horse's hoof came on his head.

Also, running away when you are demanded by the King is an extremely serious offence, particularly when it involved a fight where the prince was badly wounded. You could say it's a bit like how police sometimes have the ability to say "freeze, or I'll fire" and can shoot people if they try to get away.

Have read the OP to make sure its ok to say this, and my understanding is that it is. Spoiler is just clarifying what happened to the butcher boy.

In the book, as far as I remember, the guy walks in and throws the butcher boys head on the ground. They may have thought this was a bit too grizzly for the tv show, so just showed him all bloody and lifeless on the horse. But he was definitely dead

.

pljudge321 · 27-04-2011 7:41pm

I may be mistaken but I've always been under impression that to 'run someone down' from armed horseback refers to a strong cleaving sword swing delivered that uses the horses momentum to deliver a stronger blow.

SuperInfinity · 27-04-2011 8:16pm

He didn't throw the butcher boy's head on the ground in the book. It does say though he had been almost cut in half from some terrible blow that came from above.

mikemac · 27-04-2011 8:22pm

I thought the butcher's boy was alive but injured, I thought run him down was he was hit by the horse.
Run him through would mean skewer him on a sword and they didn't say that

But reading here seems he did die

And I'm another, wasn't bothered at all by the butcher boy being caught but poor, poor Lady

Looking back at it I was more upset about the dog then the lad

Fookin little prince, I hope he gets his comeuppance

emrys · 27-04-2011 8:36pm

Having read the books I am really enjoying the TV show so far as well as the reactions of the posters who are new to the story:)

Richard Dower · 27-04-2011 8:58pm

To keep the peace i will refrain from posting reviews until after the Sky Atlantic broadcast.

donfers · 27-04-2011 10:18pm

ok lads, a bit of effin' respect please, the poor kid was almost cleaved in half for doing absolutely nothing and post after post is coldly and disrespectfully respecting to the poor lad as the butcher's boy

his name is mycah for god's sake, a bit of respect for the dead or youz all will be infracted off the board faster than you can add spoiler tags

quickbeam · 27-04-2011 10:22pm

I've read the books so knew what to expect, but god, Lady's death was heartbreaking. I really don't know what it is that has us doubled over for the death of animals and not bat an eyelid for humans. Poor ole Lady!

Tar.Aldarion · 27-04-2011 10:23pm

quickbeam wrote: »

I've read the books so knew what to expect, but god, Lady's death was heartbreaking. I really don't know what it is that has us doubled over for the death of animals and not bat an eyelid for humans. Poor ole Lady!

Because humans are capable of being much more malicious.

Feeded · 27-04-2011 10:32pm

But the death of lady was brilliantly timed with the last camera shot. . . I love this show. . . The queen is some yoke. . I hope the little girl who's handy with the bow'n'arrow gets to give her a slappin'

SuperInfinity · 27-04-2011 11:12pm

feelingstressed wrote: »

And I'm another, wasn't bothered at all by the butcher boy being caught but poor, poor Lady
Looking back at it I was more upset about the dog then the lad.

This is because the butcher boy was but a low-born, while Sansa is high-born and Lady belonged to Sansa. :rolleyes:

Kadongy · 28-04-2011 12:56am

This is a very good programme. Dont remember a tv programme provoking as strong a reaction in me as the outrage I felt when he killed the dire wolf.

It is because the dire wolves protected likeable young children twice in a row that it evokes such a strong reaction, and because of all the betrayal and unfairness behind the incident. It's not subtle or anything, but it certainly works.

Savage Tyrant · 28-04-2011 1:08am

You're all obviously stone cold callous bastards ..... I was annoyed they killed the buthcher boy.... I has feelins!! :P

don ramo · 28-04-2011 1:43am

i cant honestly remember the last show that hooked me in this fast,

like eveyone else love them direwolfs, i hope we get to see them fully grown up at some point, i like how they fit in with the stark family crest, and the fact that they have been raised well and protect there master really reflects the honour both master and animal hold,

oh how i hate them lanisters, love the dwarf fella though hes one funny fella, going all the way to the wall so he can piss of the edge of the world:D, i can see him splitting from the family at some point, on some matter of principal, i wonder does he know his brother is pounding his sister, he obviously knows hes nephew is a little bastard and is trying his best to make some sort of a king out of him,

i dont think the king is to fond of his family and wonder did he marry his wife as some means of gaining or holding the throne, he seems to be most happy when hes just sitting around with stark chatting about the old days, i wonder why hes even holding onto the throne, he doesnt come across as a king, i hope it gets explained more how he became king in the first place,

the girl who married ronan seems like shes starting to grow a spine, learning how to make him happy, i wonder if as soon as she learns to stand up for herself will she have her brother killed, he really is a little ****, telling his sister that he would have all 40,000 of ronans men take her to bed if it meant getting him on the throne,

some nice storys being weaved so far, and hopefully we get to see some of them white walkers from over the wall at some point,

like what was said earlier i really wanna read the books now, i need a fix already,

WindmillWarrior · 28-04-2011 11:22am

emrys wrote: »

Having read the books I am really enjoying the TV show so far as well as the reactions of the posters who are new to the story:)

Me too - I'm loving the newbies reactions to it all almost as much as the show itself!

Uncle Mclovin · 28-04-2011 11:28am

Serious show. The 50 mins just fly by at the bat of an eyelid.

Tim Van Patten is a genius it must be said.

T-b0n3 · 28-04-2011 12:35pm

don ramo wrote: »

the girl who married ronan seems like shes starting to grow a spine, learning how to make him happy, i wonder if as soon as she learns to stand up for herself will she have her brother killed, he really is a little ****, telling his sister that he would have all 40,000 of ronans men take her to bed if it meant getting him on the throne,

And their horses!!

Scruff · 28-04-2011 1:11pm

Tusky wrote: »

Have read the OP to make sure its ok to say this, and my understanding is that it is. Spoiler is just clarifying what happened to the butcher boy.
In the book, as far as I remember, the guy walks in and throws the butcher boys head on the ground. They may have thought this was a bit too grizzly for the tv show, so just showed him all bloody and lifeless on the horse. But he was definitely dead
.

almost right, correction on what happened in the book

The Hound comes back to the tavern with something draped over the back of his horse but in a sack so Ned can see what it is. Given the size of it he thinks its Nymeria and is thinking poor Arya, she'll be devestated that they killed her direwolf and the Hound says he killed the Beast. He throwns it on the ground but on pulling back the cloak they find its the butcher boy and he's almost cut in half.
Still pretty gruesome stuff they couldnt really put on tv

Wonder how they are going to tie Brans

waking and dreams back to the book...maybe he'll just talk about them, easier than doing a dreamscape sequence.

All in all tis great stuff.

me-skywalker · 28-04-2011 4:42pm

Scruff wrote: »

Wonder how they are going to tie Brans
waking and dreams back to the book...maybe he'll just talk about them, easier than doing a dreamscape sequence.

All in all tis great stuff.

I can see them doing a

waxed screen pov dreasmscape. It woudl make more sense to get the audience 'inside' his minds eye

;-)

mewso · 28-04-2011 5:15pm

Scruff wrote: »

Wonder how they are going to tie Brans
waking and dreams back to the book...maybe he'll just talk about them, easier than doing a dreamscape sequence.

All in all tis great stuff.

Should this be a spoiler or have I missed something?

Savage Tyrant · 28-04-2011 5:25pm

Scruff wrote: »

almost right, correction on what happened in the book
The Hound comes back to the tavern with something draped over the back of his horse but in a sack so Ned can see what it is. Given the size of it he thinks its Nymeria and is thinking poor Arya, she'll be devestated that they killed her direwolf and the Hound says he killed the Beast. He throwns it on the ground but on pulling back the cloak they find its the butcher boy and he's almost cut in half.
Still pretty gruesome stuff they couldnt really put on tv

Wonder how they are going to tie Brans waking and dreams back to the book...maybe he'll just talk about them, easier than doing a dreamscape sequence.

All in all tis great stuff.

:eek: ahhh what a lovely story... I'm getting the books now!!

5starpool · 28-04-2011 6:48pm

I can't wait to see reactions to what happens as it goes on around some of the major happenings in the story. It's kinda like reading 50 pages, discussing it, and then waiting another week to read the next 50 pages, as opposed to just reading through with no one to discuss it with.

Richard Dower · 28-04-2011 7:06pm

Can someone link to the GOT books discussion thread? [i'm too lazy] - cheers.

SuperInfinity · 28-04-2011 7:16pm

WindmillWarrior wrote: »

Me too - I'm loving the newbies reactions to it all almost as much as the show itself!

Ah now let's not exaggerate, how could that be?.... :rolleyes: I'm really glad that other people like this series but I don't care that much how they react, and it annoys me when they say things that I totally disagree with. The only way it would make sense is if you didn't like the tv series much at all.

Mr E · 28-04-2011 10:58pm

OK please read this very carefully.

Game of Thrones is not a standard TV show. It is based on (and following quite closely) a well known book that a lot of people have read.

Posts along the lines of guess who dies next or Spoiler: someone dies in an upcoming episode are just going to piss people off. Sticking them in spoiler tags doesn't help.

So the standard charter rule of future stuff in spoiler tags no longer applies here. Don't post any future stuff at all in this thread. You'll just annoy people. Use the book thread on the sci-fi forum if you want to talk about what's coming up (because people there know what's coming up, and most people here don't want to know)

FINAL WARNING.

Richard Dower · 29-04-2011 12:00am

^ so are we not allowed to speculate then?...about future/possible events?...like i could speculate that at some point in the future XXXX could possibly die, i'm not basing this speculation on anything nor books/spoilers etc.

I mean within the realm of what we've seen thus far, the tone and feel of the show you could speculate this could be a possibilty, is that allowed?

Tar.Aldarion · 29-04-2011 12:21am

Of course you can guess, you just can't spoil things if you know them for fact.

SuperInfinity · 29-04-2011 12:24am

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ so are we not allowed to speculate then?...about future/possible events?...like i could speculate that at some point in the future XXXX could possibly die, i'm not basing this speculation on anything nor books/spoilers etc.

I mean within the realm of what we've seen thus far, the tone and feel of the show you could speculate this could be a possibilty, is that allowed?

Are you joking? If people have extra knowledge of the show or the books then they are OBVIOUSLY going to speculate much more accurately/differently because they know things and can speculate the right things much better.

Trying to come into a place like this and avoid spoilers from the books is like trying to walk through a minefield, and it's not fair to be jerking around about spoilers like that. People have to take a very guarded glance at parts of some of the posts and quit immediately if they think there's a danger that something is going to be spoiled. I myself have had it spoiled about something that's going to occur in the next episode that I would not have expected.

29-04-2011 12:31am

Uncle Mclovin wrote: »

Serious show. The 50 mins just fly by at the bat of an eyelid.

Tim Van Patten is a genius it must be said.

Totally agree, I'm always in disbelief when I realise the end is approaching, the time flies by! Sign of good story telling naturally

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