Game of Thrones [HBO & Sky Atlantic] **Spoilers** (Read Warning Post #1)

jonsnow

JaxxYChicK wrote: »

That was a surprise for me too! Sure, in the books Renly is quite flamboyant, and Ser Loras is a knight, who swore an oath never to marry, and both were close, but I never once thought they were lovers. Was that some nuance I missed or perhaps more likely added in to the script for diversity?

Either way, it somehow fits.

Its in the books but its very subtle.In the tv show not so much.

Jaxxy

Jelle1880 wrote: »

It's hinted at, but never openly said.

Awesome episode.

jonsnow wrote: »

Its in the books but its very subtle.In the tv show not so much.

Seriously! Does it become more prevalent later in the series? Can't believe I missed that. Have to admit though now that I know, certain things do make so much more sense.

Bloody Nipples

I've read the books a good few times now and that managed to go right over my head every time looks like another re-read...

Scruff

pljudge321 wrote: »

Loras looked to scrawny, he's supposed to be a bit effeminate but he's also received a knights training since he has five and is supposed to be one of the most skilled fighters in the Kingdom.

skinny people with swords can kill too??:eek:
who would have thunk it.

fantastic episode. it really isnt holding back on any of the visuals or dialog that may offend or upset.

ixoy

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

Loras Tyrell and Renly Baratheon. And Loras Tyrell looks like a total weed.

That came out of left field for me!

We thought it was a great bit to take from the books

Bloody Nipples

I was just googling around there and apparently it's been common knowledge among more hardcore fans for years. Shows what I know :P

Heh I'm looking at the Knight of Flowers in a totally different light now :pac:

jonsnow

The episode was a roller coaster ride.Just superb.It was an episode full of single combat.

Firstly two of the greatest jousters.I was watching it with my brother who hasn,t read the books.He asked what was cleganes name and I said "the mountain who rides".My brother then asked who he was fighting and when I said "the knight of flowers" he burst out laughing.Then we got to see the hound and gregor face off and it looked like the hound is the better fighter.Gregors trying to kill him but the hound is just trying to calm his brother down and manages to hold him off easily.

The battle of wits between littlefinger and varys was terrifying.These are the real players in the game of thrones - not robert or ned.It was interesting when one scored flesh wounds against the other.All their insults were irrelevant and ignored but when they discovered the other had information they were unaware of that wounded their pride and frightened them.I think they genuinely hate and respect each other.

The battle against the hill tribes was awesome as well.Quick, bloody and brutal.The only discordant note was when ser rodrik took a nasty wound and stopped catelyn from staunching it as he didn,t want to get his blood on her.It reminded me of that monthy python zulu sketch were the british soldiers are stoically being slaughtered but are horrified that the officers shaving kit isn,t ready.Lisa tully was wonderfully creepy and is obviously a few men-at-arms short of a castle.She had a chilling jangly off kilter energy.

The scene with greyjoy and ros felt a bit unnecessary and forced.I dont feel like we got to know Theon (except that in a battle of lovers he comes second to a dwarf)

The clash of wills between robert and ned was brillant with neds morals in "stark" contrast to everyone elses.

The battle between robert and cersi was poignant.We actually see that behibd the ruin of a man that robert is a masterful battle tactician.He sees the genuine threat that the Dothraki horde poses to his divided kingdom.Ned and Tywin lannister think because they have no heavy armour or siege equipment they can be easily dismissed.But robert knows that if the westerosi hide behind their castles they will be equally as doomed as if they meet the horde in open battle - "which only a fool would do".A catch 22.I think when robert said that he never loved cersei that he sealed his own faith in that moment.He may have won the battle to inflict the most pain on his spouse but he will lose that war.

Finally THAT swordfight between jamie and ned was superb and nuanced.It is the best swordfight since rob roy.In the books ned wouldn,t have lasted 10 seconds against the kingslayer but this is why you can sometimes do more with television.The ned from the books would not have been exactly renowned for slaying a dozen great knights but with sean beans rugged power you can do a lot.
I loved the way jamie effortlessly dispatched neds best swordfighter (who gets more character development than in the books).He then indicates for ned to surrender.But he has SEVERELY underestimated his opponent and finds ned a far swifter and stronger fighter than he imagined.Great expressive acting.Jamie goes from amused to surprised to worried.When the lannister guardsman intervenes (like he was ordered to) you can see jamies dismay.Forever known as a backstabber(again).His chastisement was hilarious.

Why cant it be next monday!!!!

Vim Fuego

Did anyone else think that Lysa looks just a little bit like Mrs. Doyle? Except with a child hanging out of her

right boob.

Awesome episode though. It's been so long since I read the books, but even so, I was not expecting that to be happening with Renly. I never picked up on that. Neither did my girlfriend who just finished GOT a few weeks ago.

Richard Dower

^ enough with the spoiler tags lads...episode is over!, kid sucking on a boob?...woah!, that was rather shocking!, very weird and creepy. Though there are women who breastfeed there children for many years, i've seen a special on C4 about a few years back.

Excellent episode!....great dialogue and lots of action!, beheaded horse?....RIP!, loving the backstabbing and skullduggery, great scene with Robert and Cersei. Getting better with each ep!

Loving Robert bullying the Lannister kid!....fat king Jolly(Robet) is gas!

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/05/15/game-of-thrones-interview/

That was great.

If only the makers of Camelot were watching this!

I was pretty grossed out by the kid sucking on the teat, but it was funny to see my flatmate going, "it's plastic, it's plastic" and then realising it wasn't :pac:

Did NOT see Neds swordsman getting killed in that epic fight. Although I was surprised Jamie didn't take Ned. Surely Robert won't be happy with those shennanigans at all?

Anyway, LOVE this show. Every episode so far I've gone, "That was awesome" and meant it.

Jelle1880

It's been a long time since I read the books, but I must say:

I'm having some difficulty at times trying to remember who's who.

Obviously the main characters are clear, but for example that scene with the whore and that guy, when they're talking about Tyrion.
I totally forgot who they were...

stesaurus

Fantastic episode! Although can't say I'm liking just how open Renly/Loras thing is. Much preferred the books' hidden references, but then again was it really that well hidden?

Rainbow Guard!!! FFS

Loving Jerome as Bronn, wasn't expecting much but pleasantly surprised!

Also anyone not really enjoying the Dothraki scenes. I'm kind of in agreement. When reading the books I used to speed through these scenes as I just felt Westeros much more interesting. However they get much better and in most ways I prefer them now.

Finally just as an FYI the cousins are apparently getting episode 7 available online through HBO straight after ep 6 next week.

Tenger

I think the breast feeding was kept in to emphasize the paranoia/madness of Lysa Arryn. She will not part with her son who will never be capable of ruling. And trying to get through to her using logic and reason will not work.

The closeness of Loras and Renly was often referred to in the books but I don't think it was stated that they were lovers, they just preferred their own company than anyone else.

Bronn is a great character, utterly ruthless and does anything for money. In the books my favourite sections were those with Tyrion.

gimmick

I am really going to have to rewatch every episode again, as to be perfectly honest, while enjoying the show immensely, I have not a frigging clue as to what is going on.

mikemac

Great episode
But the more this goes on the more lost I'm getting

I understand the main characters of course

But I hadn't a clue about that shaving scene and who they are

Bought the book in Easons yesterday so I'll try to catch up by next week

Scruff

For those of you struggling with the character overload this is a good site that tracks the episodes:

http://hauteslides.com/2011/05/game-of-thrones-infographic-illustrated-guide-to-houses-and-character-relationships/

Think its been posted here before but anywho...

Jelle1880

There's another one, a bit more limited but with pictures from the characters to make it easier.

Made me recognize who the guy in red was in the dungeon

Scruff

yeah the creator mentions it in her reply to a comment about the lack of pictures

http://screenrant.com/game-of-thrones-character-guide-infographic-mcrid-111205/

Jelle1880

That's the one, sure made a lot of stuff clear.
But I don't yet understand the importance of those scenes involving Theon Greyjoy. Yeah, so he whores around, and... ?

But it's not completely right, Robert's 3 kids for example (Spoiler I think)

Zeouterlimits

Loving it so much, think last nights episode was the best yet.
The scene between the Queen and Robert, although not in the books, was fantastic.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

That's the one, sure made a lot of stuff clear.
But I don't yet understand the importance of those scenes involving Theon Greyjoy. Yeah, so he whores around, and... ?

They're trying to build his character up. How being a ward of the Starks has affected his life, what kind of person he is.

--Kaiser--

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

Loras Tyrell and Renly Baratheon. And Loras Tyrell looks like a total weed.

That came out of left field for me!

Me too....I thought the producers were taking liberties...but apparently the hints are there for all to see (Note: link contains spoilers)

http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/lorasrenly.html

Still, the guy playing Loras does not have the build of a knight and could not possibly wield a broadsword, nevermind wear plate armour

Richard Dower

Seems alot of you have read the books....i feel like a noob

mewso

Richard Dower wrote: »

Seems alot of you have read the books....i feel like a noob

Well buy it and read it then. I'm half-way through the second book and I only started the first one shortly after episode 3. Fantastic reading.

donfers

gutted by the death of jorey - he could have been a contender, hopefully he will return in ghost form or as a white walker with a conscirnce

what an episode that, all sorts going on

stesaurus

donfers wrote: »

gutted by the death of joffrey - he could have been a contender, hopefully he will return in ghost form or as a white walker with a conscirnce

what an episode that, all sorts going on

You mean Jory right? A lot of people might think that was a spoiler . Don't worry though Joffrey's alive and kicking although still a little gimp.

donfers

s.welstead wrote: »

You mean Jory right? A lot of people might think that was a spoiler . Don't worry though Joffrey's alive and kicking although still a little gimp.

duly edited, getting confused with names

on that note, the gay yonger brother renly said he was fourth in line to the throne, who is ahead of him? stannis and joffrey (have we seen these two yet?) and who else?

stesaurus

donfers wrote: »

duly edited, getting confused with names

on that note, the gay yonger brother renly said he was fourth in line to the throne, who is ahead of him? stannis and joffrey (have we seen these two yet?) and who else?

Joffrey is the Kings' eldest son. He was the douche attacked by Arya's direwolf. There's also a younger son, Tommen. Only scene I can remember him was the breakfast scene at Winterfell with Tyrion and the rest of the Lannisters.
Stannis you haven't seen yet, he's not in the first series at all. Hasn't even been cast yet.

So succession is Joffrey, Tommen, Stannis and then Renly. Although the King is still alive ya know! So I guess Renly should be saying he's 5th in line as the current King counts right???

Tenger

donfers wrote: »

duly edited, getting confused with names

on that note, the gay yonger brother renly said he was fourth in line to the throne, who is ahead of him? stannis and joffrey (have we seen these two yet?) and who else?

Robert has 2 sons (wink wink!) so the line of succesion is Joffrey, Tommen, Stannis, then Renly. (Stannis being the elder Baratheon brother)

In Westeros only a male can hold the throne.

PhiloCypher

donfers wrote: »

duly edited, getting confused with names

on that note, the gay yonger brother renly said he was fourth in line to the throne, who is ahead of him? stannis and joffrey (have we seen these two yet?) and who else?

Joffrey's younger brother Tommen I'd imagine .

Richard Dower

donfers wrote: »

gutted by the death of jorey - he could have been a contender, hopefully he will return in ghost form or as a white walker with a conscirnce

what an episode that, all sorts going on

WTF? :mad: - are you saying White Walkers are ubdead or ghost?....duh! SPOILER ALERT!

Ratings rise...third week in a row: http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/05/17/game-of-thrones-ratings-climb/

SuperInfinity

Mindkiller wrote: »

I think the show suffers slightly with all the seediness. Though I guess there's not much that can be done considering how the source material is apparently rife with it.

Anyway, I'm enjoying where it's going atm. Came across some major spoilers online though. :mad:

The source material isn't really that rife with it.

I felt Martin's books reflected sex accurately. I can't help but feel that the writers were so "amazed" by the sex in the book that it stood out in their minds way, way more than it's actually there. It just seemed so dramatic to them when it wasn't really. I've watched enough old Italian horror films so it doesn't shock me or phaze me at all, but even they very rarely had that many sex scenes. It just takes up too big a proportion.

I think that the saucy-looking girl sitting with Littlefinger near the end was definitely worth it, not so much all of the other stuff. Like they might have done without the whole Ser Loras/Renly though, which isn't even in the first book.

feelingstressed wrote: »

Great episode
But the more this goes on the more lost I'm getting

I understand the main characters of course

But I hadn't a clue about that shaving scene and who they are

Bought the book in Easons yesterday so I'll try to catch up by next week

Don't worry about it because even in the book they have a map and an appendix showing the characters names and the houses they're attached to.

You will know all though after reading the book, it's definitely a good idea.

SuperInfinity

You know next week they're going to be showing two episodes in the US... episode 6 is going to be on HBO, then episode 7 will be on HBO Go. The week after they'll be showing episode 7 on HBO as normal.

I think I'll stick with the Sky Atlantic showing of them, as I don't want to have to wait for two weeks for a new episode after episode 7. To me this just sounds like a gimmick for HBO Go and not something natural for the series.

donfers

Richard Dower wrote: »

WTF? :mad: - are you saying White Walkers are ubdead or ghost?....duh! SPOILER ALERT!

Ratings rise...third week in a row: http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/05/17/game-of-thrones-ratings-climb/

ah jaysus, i haven't read the bukes at all, i am just clutching at straws for jorey's return, what a sneaky way for jamie lannister to kill him

i thought it was made clear in the first episode that the white walkers have a vampire thingy going on whereby if they kill you, you become one of them, maybe i picked that up wrong

jorey was an unbelievable character and is a sad loss to the show unless he returns in ghost/white walker form

incidentally when are we getting back to the wall and when are we going to learn more about the white walkers? maybe ned's brother has been ahem....compromised, he has been away so long, again just speculation

SuperInfinity

donfers wrote: »

incidentally when are we getting back to the wall and when are we going to learn more about the white walkers? maybe ned's brother has been ahem....compromised, he has been away so long, again just speculation

THESE QUESTIONS CANNOT BE ANSWERED AS THEY SAY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN FUTURE EPISODES.

Why anyone would want other people to spoil something for them is beyond me.

And nobody should even be mentioning the White Walkers. The White Walkers should be banned completely from any discussion. ANYTHING anyone who has read the books says about the White Walkers is going to tell people something about what will happen.

Asking questions about what's going to happen with the White Walkers etc., what a joke. :mad:

jonsnow

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Still, the guy playing Loras does not have the build of a knight and could not possibly wield a broadsword, nevermind wear plate armour

In the books he wields a morningstar when in actual combat.I don,t know if that would require less strength than a broadsword.

donfers

SuperInfinity wrote: »

THESE QUESTIONS CANNOT BE ANSWERED AS THEY SAY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN FUTURE EPISODES.

Why anyone would want other people to spoil something for them is beyond me.

And nobody should even be mentioning the White Walkers. The White Walkers should be banned completely from any discussion. ANYTHING anyone who has read the books says about the White Walkers is going to tell people something about what will happen.

Asking questions about what's going to happen with the White Walkers etc., what a joke. :mad:

chill out mate, as i already said i haven't read the bukes, when i speculate about stuff or ask stuff let's be clear that i am just looking for debate and discussion with people who don't know what will happen, if you have read the books and know what will happen then i assume you would have the intelligence not to jump in and put us right/wrong/spoil

some people truly do have their knickers in a twist, it really is a joke you're right

note to self: must not speculate for fear of being accused of spoiling even though I have no idea what will happen

so i know we have spoiler tags, but for the benefit of the highly sensitised knickers in a twist types perhaps it's time to consider speculation tags now, in fact let's just censor out all posts, that way nobody will get upset and the series will retain a sense of mystery and intrigue, yes let's do that

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

has there been any overreaction to the latest episode's

horse beheading?

, I remember the hilarity after

lady died earlier in the season

and all the ultimatums from angry fans/idiots.
anyone seen anything?

SuperInfinity

donfers wrote: »

chill out mate, as i already said i haven't read the bukes, when i speculate about stuff or ask stuff let's be clear that i am just looking for debate and discussion with people who don't know what will happen, if you have read the books and know what will happen then i assume you would have the intelligence not to jump in and put us right/wrong/spoil

some people truly do have their knickers in a twist, it really is a joke you're right

note to self: must not speculate for fear of being accused of spoiling even though I have no idea what will happen

so i know we have spoiler tags, but for the benefit of the highly sensitised knickers in a twist types perhaps it's time to consider speculation tags now, in fact let's just censor out all posts, that way nobody will get upset and the series will retain a sense of mystery and intrigue, yes let's do that

Ignoramous!!!!

donfers

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Ignoramous!!!!

the irony of calling someone an "ignoramous" and spelling the intended word incorrectly will probably be lost on you, nonetheless i think it speaks volumes

anyway shall we return to discussing the show?

another point of interest in that episode was that it contained the first glimpse of any kind of humanity or vulnerability from Cersei, I feared in the first few episodes that the characters would be rather one-dimensional and that we would have goodies and baddies but it seems that as the show progresses we are seeing that as the characters develop they are not quite as predictable and superficial as they at first appeared

Mr E

Attack the post, not the posters, folks. Infraction for SuperInfinity.

As I said a few weeks ago, GoT is a unique show in that it's following the book pretty closely (therefore its easy for book readers to spoil future events in the TV show).

mewso

SuperInfinity you seem a tad highly strung. I was about to answer donfers question and say we couldn't really say anything about the white walkers without giving too much away. You basically attacked him for asking. A bit of an overreaction I think. It really is very easy to reply to people patiently and with some respect if you just give it a try.

expectationlost

donfers wrote: »

gutted by the death of jorey - he could have been a contender, hopefully he will return in ghost form or as a white walker with a conscirnce

what an episode that, all sorts going on

thats sounds like far more then speculation

Richard Dower

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

has there been any overreaction to the latest episode's

horse beheading?

, I remember the hilarity after

lady died earlier in the season

and all the ultimatums from angry fans/idiots.
anyone seen anything?

Nope....all quite, even the producers thought the reaction by fans was OTT :rolleyes:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/05/15/game-of-thrones-interview/

There seemed to be more outrage early in the season for killing Sansa’s direwolf than pushing Bran out the window.
DB: Some people have questionable priorities. I love dogs. But I love my kids more than I love my dogs.

Richard Dower

expectationlost wrote: »

thats sounds like far more then speculation

Yup, i never picked up on the White Walkers being vampires.....seems rather spoilery specific to me

SuperInfinity

Richard Dower wrote: »

Yup, i never picked up on the White Walkers being vampires.....seems rather spoilery specific to me

Yes it is spoilers. Lots of things being talked about here are. (I would also not repeat such things).

I resent the expression of "getting your knickers in a twist". I think it's a low brow insult, it has no meaning apart from to say "this person is angry and I don't like that they are angry". Most insults convey some meaning. That is just inflammatory nonsense and I believe any mod who has a clue should see that.

He was mocking me for giving out about spoilers and yet the mods give out to me. I don't know how anyone who has any interest in a series considers it's wrong to give out about people spoiling things. Only people who have trouble with spelling or find it "challenging" point out someone's spelling in a derogatory way, are we really that simple-minded and immature around here?

I can understand it getting annoying for people to be continually complaining about spoilers. This is because the mods can't or won't stop people spoiling things. Here this guy was openly asking questions that would spoil the whole show for people. It's a joke.

I'm done with this board. The mods do not have things under control in any way here, spoilers are around the place like landmines.

Bye everyone, it was good here at times.

giftgrub

(....feels like he's walked in on his parents having a fight.....)

On the issue of the episode itself, it was my least favourite so far.

I missed Daenerys Targaryan/ Dothraki storyline this week as well..I was hoping for a little more tension between herself and her brother

pljudge321

To those of you concerned about the "spoiler", its pretty obvious if you read over the post that he's just wildly speculating and hasn't read the books so you can all calm down.

pixelburp

Once again though I'm utterly confused as to what I can or can't talk about. Figured that as they already featured in episode 1 we could talk about what the White Walkers might be, or might not be. Seemingly not?

stesaurus

pljudge321 wrote: »

To those of you concerned about the "spoiler", its pretty obvious if you read over the post that he's just wildly speculating and hasn't read the books so you can all calm down.

Exactly! I originally pointed out he got confused with names. Calling Jory Joffrey. So mentioned to him that he should probably change that in case people think Joffrey got killed.
I never asked him to change about the white walkers as it's clearly wild speculation and that's perfectly healthy in a bloody discussion thread.

I'm hoping that SuperInfinity guy is gone. Ya I know attack the post and all that but anything I've read from him just comes across so badly. Somebody mentioned before, read his posts while thinking of 'comic book guy' from Simpsons. Fits perfectly.

stesaurus

giftgrub wrote: »

(....feels like he's walked in on his parents having a fight.....)

On the issue of the episode itself, it was my least favourite so far.

I missed Daenerys Targaryan/ Dothraki storyline this week as well..I was hoping for a little more tension between herself and her brother

Think the next few eps will better establish the Dothraki and focus a bit more on that side of things.

Just thinking back there's actually quite a lot still to happen over the final five episodes.