BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

I wonder would they object if it was a Luas line outside their door instead.

jcullen222 wrote: »

They should hop on the bus, Gus, like ordinary people.

The plan will remove the bus which serves two of our local post-primary schools. 42% of pupils take public transport (bus/Luas) to local boys' school (I don't know the stats for the girls' school). Have you lifted a post-primary student's schoolbag plus sports bag recently? If so, you can imagine how much worse the local traffic will become if the pupils, who have travelled by bus til now, need to be driven to school. That's why I objected.

machaseh wrote: »

There are thousands of people travelling on those bus corridors a day, so their needs outweigh the minor inconvenience of losing a few meters of your front garden (for which you will be financially compensated anyway).

And there are farmers, etc all over the country who lost land to roads and it was a case of "tough s**t".

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Indeed. It's a shame this scheme is bypassing the majority so the minority can get there quicker.

My new improved service will involve a 40 minute walk albeit 24 hour a day now.

That's absolute nonsense.

I'd say your new service involves a bus change.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Secondly, I thought the whole purpose of public transport was to service the public and not just the elite few that the service is changed to benefit?

More people closer to bus routes = the elite few apparently

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

How is it 'more people' when it's bypassing people?

Does bus connect service new areas not previously serviced? I didn't think it did so all it's doing is serving less people than the current system.

You can only get one bus, it's not like every person on the route is going to be jumping in an the buses now is it?

I don’t follow you. Do you mean you can only get one bus at a time? Or one bus to the city centre? You can get any amount of buses you like, and the whole idea is that you will, to go places you wouldn’t go to by bus now because the route is too circuitous, often via the city centre, and it would take too long.

Can someone please tell us what route the argument is over, otherwise I’m calling fake news!!

donvito99 wrote: »

As per my earlier link, the planner of this network redesign was able to demonstrate empirically that more areas of Dublin are covered by the bus service.

Whilst your particular circumstances may change for the worse, the majority of Dubliners avail of an improved service.

Dublin Bus running a bus service their way does not mean that it is the way to do things.

The new plan is well thought out, well intentioned and international best practice. And the proof is in New Zealand. Where two cities hired Jarrett Walker. One implemented his plan and saw ridership increase by 10%. The other ignored his proposals and went with their own, and saw no notable increase whatsover.

I'll take Walker and the NTA over the NBRU and entitled residents any day.

Perhaps the most important element of the current BusConnects plan,is the reality that Jarrett Walker is no longer directly involved in it's implimentation.

Walker devised and presented perhaps the most focused and comprehensive Bus Plan ever completed for the City,and most importantly made himself fully available and willing to engage in debate on his plan,in stark contrast to the many "Expert/Consultant" re[orts and reviews completed over the decades,

Many of his detractors forget,or disregard,the reality of BusConnects being a plan to take Dublin's bus based public transport as far as 2040,not tomorrow week,as would be the traditional Irish version of forward planning.

Walker carried no baggage,and as a result his BusConnects came head to head with a great variety of the Country's previously undisturbed political,social and even historic groupings.

The scale and depth of ignorance amongst Public Representatives on the realities of Bus Service provision in the Greater Dublin Area has proven to be shocking,with some of the responses and counter claims verging in the insane,even managing to squeeze in Donald Trump as a weapon of resistance.

https://twitter.com/OConnorOisin/status/1186964039794073601

With the BusConnects plan,Jarrett Walker fully met his side of the bargain,leaving only our traditional administrators and politicians to uphold theirs,something which I suspect is becoming less certain as time passes.

Sadly,I now believe that Walkers BusConnects vision has been effectively neutered,in traditional fashion,by a parochialism and short-sightedness which has defined modern Irishness since the formation of the State.

Ah sure,It'll be grand

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Wow, what a rude, ignorant person that Deirdre Conroy is.

She probably gets her votes on Rathgar Road and couldn't give a toss about those using the buses down that road

L1011 wrote: »

She got bugger all votes last month thankfully
Edit: this month - it feels like it was longer ago!

She's still on the council so we are still paying for her.

EcoEye has started on RTÉ One now with the title 'Ending Gridlock'. I think this programme is looking at BusConnects at a national sense rather than just Dublin.

OK. EcoEye just finished on RTÉ One a short while ago. Here is my assessment after watching it tonight.

A few areas of Dublin were covered in the programme that were being proposed from BC like Pembroke Road, Ballycullen & Inchicore. But the programme itself only covered the infrastructure side of BC. A number of people in the programme were only talking about proposals to change the road network from the Core Bus Corridor proposals that were affected by those plans. The programme itself did not talk about the BC route redesign proposals for Dublin at all. I thought that was very foolish from EcoEye's perspective because the newest proposals for the route network re-design in Dublin were only released a few months ago since last autumn. It covers the most important element of the whole project in that they cover most people who commute or travel on the actual bus routes themselves around Dublin rather than people who solely drive by car or cycle by bike. Actual bus passengers that regularly use the bus for commuting into Dublin CC were left out of the entire programme.

One example from it was the interview with the young lady living in Ballycullen where herself & her husband commutes every day into the CC. She mentions that she pays about €50 pw for the Leap card or €2.65 each way for every working day on the bus to commute into Dublin. As the interview went on; a number of important things were left out when talking about the actual proposals. The programme left out mentioning of the new 90 minute Leap Card fare with free transfers on Dart, Commuter Rail & Luas which is a hugely critical part of the actual route re-designs proposals within Dublin. This lady from Ballycullen lives along the 15 from Ballycullen to Clongriffin Dart Station. She also didn't mention that the 15 recently became a 24 hour service provided from Dublin Bus since the 1st of December.

The programme covered the CBC proposals in Inchicore where a section of that road was proposed to turn into a one-way street whilst it retained the trees. The young lady who was covered in Inchicore was happy in talking about the plans for BC when re-designed proposals for the areas were released last year in which I thought was a positive. The programme actually showed plans on screen of one of the official CBC proposals for Inchicore which was very good to see.

The programme had to cover other areas of the country too like Galway & Limerick because BC covers Cork, Limerick, Waterford & Galway as well as Dublin.

One positive from this part of the programme was the showing of brief visuals of the proposed high frequency bus route network map in Galway county & artist impressions of the new bus lane & street layouts in Galway City. A visual of the new proposed N7 was shown in it as well which I thought was good as well. Duncan was in Limerick to talk to a group of parents & school kids about this new Cycle Bus initiative while travelling over that big bridge in Limerick while cycling to School with the parents. That road along that bridge in Limerick is very tricky because of a lack of cycle lanes on it. It would be quite dangerous for cyclists to travel along it if the bridge only has the capacity to cater for cars & other main road vehicles. One positive from that piece in Limerick was the mentioning of 200km of newly proposed segregated cycle lanes which is a major part of the CBC proposals that feature across Dublin.

The programme also talked about the school kids who travel to school on their parent's commute by car. A transport & planning professor from TU Dublin was quoting a figure from a low of 24% some time ago to a present of 60% now. How come this figure is so astonishingly high? I know convenience was mentioned as one factor in doing it every morning. I do wonder though how of an effect will that have on these kids if they see the new bus routes being implemented in their area in future. Could they still stick with using their parent's car to get into school rather than using the bus to get to school in the morning? I would say that a high proportion of these kids could be of a very small age in that they go to either a National school or an Educate Together school with their parents by car. They may not have access to an official school bus service in their area which means that they have to rely on their parent's car to get them into school. There are a number of kids who travel with their parents by car to secondary school as well. But I do not know how high that particular figure is at the moment.

Does anyone here have hard figures which breaks down into these specific categories?

Peregrine wrote: »

Three next Core Bus Corridors public consultation will start on Wednesday, March 4.

Wait, there's still consultation happening? Why hasn't the entire project been completed by now...

The revised network was supposed to be in place in 2019 and the corridors were to have begun construction shortly after according to the original time table. But yes according to the latest 'schedule' we're optimistically 6 months behind