Fox killed by car

whisky_galore · 06-09-2020 6:21pm

golfball37 wrote: »

There’s a lot of them around lately, a lot of chickens being killed in my locality at night. We need a controlled cull like we do with deer. Thankfully I saw a local hunt last week but small numbers only 3 horses and about ten hounds but we need more.

The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable.

SlowMotion321 · 06-09-2020 6:25pm

Daragh1980 wrote: »

You do know it’s the dogs that do the actual killing in a foxhunt. No condemnation of their actions ?

I hope that's a poor attempt at humour! Otherwise it is a criminally stupid thing to say!

Sam Quentin · 06-09-2020 6:27pm

golfball37 wrote: »

There’s a lot of them around lately, a lot of chickens being killed in my locality at night. We need a controlled cull like we do with deer. Thankfully I saw a local hunt last week but small numbers only 3 horses and about ten hounds but we need more.

So you only saw 3 real animals that day!?

Joeseph Balls · 06-09-2020 6:42pm

golfball37 wrote: »

Two of these were teenage girls. They are not doing this for fun at all, they are doing a service for their community. If you believe anyone gets a kick out of ripping an animal to pieces then I suggest you expand your horizons and learn more about your fellow countryman and woman.

Let's not lie here. Of course they are doing it for the fun, they enjoy the hunt. A gun licence would be more effective and humane. Foxes are creatures of habit and if there is a problem ones around, there are a lot easier ways of dealing with them that. If any farmer around here wants one dealt with, the hunt is the last ones they look for.

golfball37 · 06-09-2020 7:01pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Let's not lie here. Of course they are doing it for the fun, they enjoy the hunt. A gun licence would be more effective and humane. Foxes are creatures of habit and if there is a problem ones around, there are a lot easier ways of dealing with them that. If any farmer around here wants one dealt with, the hunt is the last ones they look for.

They were teenage girls on horseback. Where I come from that is far more normal and gentile than giving them guns. They are not doing it for fun, it’s the only way we know how down here.

I’d could count on one hand the amount of people I know with a registered shotgun and that’s the way it should be.

Man with broke phone · 06-09-2020 7:03pm

Are the animal rights activists saying teenage girls on horseback need more guns?

Daragh1980 · 06-09-2020 7:12pm

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

I hope that's a poor attempt at humour! Otherwise it is a criminally stupid thing to say!

Why? It’s true.
Do you not believe in personal responsibility?
Why give the dogs a free pass?

You sound like the type of person who says “I blame the owner” when a dog carries out an unprovoked attack on a person.

SlowMotion321 · 06-09-2020 7:18pm

Daragh1980 wrote: »

Why? It’s true.
Do you not believe in personal responsibility?
Why give the dogs a free pass?

You sound like the type of person who says “I blame the owner” when a dog carries out an unprovoked attack on a person.

:rolleyes: Run and bait someone else, not interest in feeding you!

dotsman · 06-09-2020 8:19pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

That might be true. I would say you prefer bickering about it online though, lets be honest here, you are more fond of getting nasty with your keyboard over some edgy topic like fox hunting?

I really don't like "bickering" about anything online. Nor was I the one who dragged a thread about a dead fox into a pro hunting thread. And fox hunting is not exactly "edgy".

golfball37 wrote: »

Two of these were teenage girls. They are not doing this for fun at all, they are doing a service for their community. If you believe anyone gets a kick out of ripping an animal to pieces then I suggest you expand your horizons and learn more about your fellow countryman and woman.

Not sure what being teenage girls has to do with anything. They are complete scum regardless of age or gender.

And you are having a laugh describing it as "doing a service for their community". What service exactly is this? What community needs animals hunted and terrorised, vixens chased away from their cubs and, if caught, met with a brutal violent end? It's just like the scum who torture and kill stray dogs and horses in certain Dublin suburbs - I suppose they are also doing a service for their community?

(FYI - It is actually the foxes who are doing the human community a service, keeping the vermin population under control).

I know plenty of countrymen and women. None are scum who like fox hunting though. It really is the last bastion of the inbred hick.

Galwayguy35 · 06-09-2020 8:39pm

golfball37 wrote: »

There’s a lot of them around lately, a lot of chickens being killed in my locality at night. We need a controlled cull like we do with deer. Thankfully I saw a local hunt last week but small numbers only 3 horses and about ten hounds but we need more.

Those hunts are nothing but a hassle.

Joeseph Balls · 06-09-2020 8:58pm

golfball37 wrote: »

I’d could count on one hand the amount of people I know with a registered shotgun and that’s the way it should be.

And that's a good thing, at least they're not shouting about it

Joeseph Balls · 06-09-2020 8:59pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Those hunts are nothing but a hassle.

That's the general consensus among land owners around here too

Galwayguy35 · 06-09-2020 9:03pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

That's the general consensus among land owners around here too

There was trouble with them frightening livestock on the day of the hunt and stray dogs who got lost wandering around a few days later when the owners were long gone.

Joeseph Balls · 06-09-2020 9:06pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

There was trouble with them frightening livestock on the day of the hunt and stray dogs who got lost wandering around a few days later when the owners were long gone.

More so entering fields without permission around here, and the sense of entitlement to do so, when a gate was left open and a few cattle got in and trampled crops was kind of the last call around here.
Not all are like this I know but very few allowed around here

riclad · 06-09-2020 11:37pm

I would cycle through town at 11pm I would see a fox walking around I think he lives in trinity college. I saw him 3 times in the city centre.

skooterblue2 · 06-09-2020 11:41pm

bobbyy gee wrote: »

you can sell the fox fur for 25 euro

Take the Fox to the taxidermist. He will look great in the hall.

skooterblue2 · 06-09-2020 11:42pm

riclad wrote: »

I would cycle through town at 11pm I would see a fox walking around I think he lives in trinity college. I saw him 3 times in the city centre.

Where does he go when he wants a ride?

golfball37 · 06-09-2020 11:58pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Where does he go when he wants a ride?

Coppers

skooterblue2 · 07-09-2020 12:11am

golfball37 wrote: »

Coppers

Are there foxes in there? or just dogs?

Ipso · 07-09-2020 4:18am

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Are there foxes in there? or just dogs?

Depends on the amount if drink taken/having been to Flannerys beforehand.

ohnonotgmail · 07-09-2020 9:39am

golfball37 wrote: »

They were teenage girls on horseback. Where I come from that is far more normal and gentile than giving them guns. They are not doing it for fun, it’s the only way we know how down here.

I’d could count on one hand the amount of people I know with a registered shotgun and that’s the way it should be.

if hunting is the only way you know to control foxes then ignorance seems to be a bigger problem than the fox hunting.

gozunda · 07-09-2020 9:57am

whisky_galore wrote: »

The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable.

Said by Authur Oscar Wilde who was locked up for sodomy :pac:

gozunda · 07-09-2020 10:07am

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

More so entering fields without permission around here, and the sense of entitlement to do so, when a gate was left open and a few cattle got in and trampled crops was kind of the last call around here.
Not all are like this I know but very few allowed around here

Farmer here. Not having a go but thats a generalisation. The hunt here always ask permission. And are good about gates etc And yes they have taken out problematic / diseased foxes predating on livestock quickly and efficiently. I see no 'entitlement' either. Most of those who I know who hunt are ordinary joe soaps. The bs that people talk about foxes / hunting seems to come from disney land ðŸ™„

And to the OP more foxes get smashed up on roads than are ever killed by hunting. In ireland most foxes are shot. A very small number are hunted.

Discodog · 07-09-2020 10:09am

golfball37 wrote: »

They were teenage girls on horseback. Where I come from that is far more normal and gentile than giving them guns. They are not doing it for fun, it’s the only way we know how down here.

I’d could count on one hand the amount of people I know with a registered shotgun and that’s the way it should be.

I live in the countryside & none of the teenage girls around here would want to kill wildlife for fun. Don't tar us with your brush.

When Boris was Mayor of London he said that they would cull the foxes. He quickly changed his mind when a poll revealed that most Londoners liked having them around.

Trouser Snake · 07-09-2020 10:14am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Those hunts are nothing but a hassle.

The contempt and disregard they show for others' property, primarily fencing, is disgusting.
One horse was put down on land near us after suffering a fall, poachers following that hunt stripped the meat off the dead horse and left the carcass. Don't know the full ins and outs but it took days to remove the dead animal.

golfball37 · 07-09-2020 10:15am

Discodog wrote: »

I live in the countryside & none of the teenage girls around here would want to kill wildlife for fun. Don't tar us with your brush.

When Boris was Mayor of London he said that they would cull the foxes. He quickly changed his mind when a poll revealed that most Londoners liked having them around.

Again what’s with the for fun assertion? If ye have predisposed biases about people’s motivations, people ye don’t know btw, then no debate is possible.

Discodog · 07-09-2020 10:34am

golfball37 wrote: »

Again what’s with the for fun assertion? If ye have predisposed biases about people’s motivations, people ye don’t know btw, then no debate is possible.

I am not going to turn this into a hunting debate. If a teenage girl believes that she is doing something useful to control the fox population then she should look at the research. Next will come the usual "townies don't understand argument".

But are you suggesting that fox hunts should be charging through cities ?

Ficheall · 07-09-2020 10:34am

golfball37 wrote: »

Again what’s with the for fun assertion? If ye have predisposed biases about people’s motivations, people ye don’t know btw, then no debate is possible.

robertpatterson wrote: »

you should get out with your local pack sometime its a great day out

Though, granted, Robert did claim it makes no difference to the fox whether it's shot or chased and ripped apart by dogs, so maybe the righteous foxhunters would just like to disown him.

gozunda · 07-09-2020 10:35am

Discodog wrote: »

...

When Boris was Mayor of London he said that they would cull the foxes. He quickly changed his mind when a poll revealed that most Londoners liked having them around.

And so there it now falls to private pest control companies to remove and kill foxes who are now out of control in cities like London where thousands of foxes are legally killed each year. And no controling such foxes is not "for fun".

The culling of foxes is permitted by law and it is in fact illegal to live capture foxes and release them...

Why control foxes in London?

As some of the photos on this page display sarcoptic mange is a significant disease that affects not only the fox but also pets (cats and dogs) and on occasion humans. It is a highly contagious disease and is caused by a parasitic mite.

Alongside the very visible mange, foxes also carry lungworm which is fatal when transmitted in both cats and dogs. The lungworm is a parasitic nematode worm affects the respiratory system in dogs and cats. Canine heartworm can also be transferred to dogs from foxes. Scabies and fleas are also common in areas where populations of foxes occur. There are also some diseases which can be transmitted through contact with fox faeces, the most serious of which is toxocariasis.

https://www.environpestcontrol.co.uk/pest-control-london/fox-removal-london/

Edit: For anyone under the impression foxes are just little cute doggies. Heres what a quick Google search came up with.

https://i.imgflip.com/4e3xm7.jpg

https://davidjmobrien.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/fox-roe-fawn.jpg

http://www.bbc.com/news/10251349

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276529/Fox-attacks-baby-First-picture-week-old-Denny-Dolan-finger-ripped-Bromley-home.html

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irishman-killed-fox-stamping-death-9527344

https://metro.co.uk/2018/02/15/killer-urban-fox-attacks-baby-bouncer-sneaking-family-home-7314171/

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/news/elderly-woman-needs-twenty-stitches-after-vicious-fox-attack-34370130.html

dotsman · 07-09-2020 11:46am

gozunda wrote: »

And so in the UK it now falls to private pest control companies to remove and kill foxes who are now out of control in cities like London where thousands of foxes are legally killed each year. And no controling foxes is not "for fun". That's just the usual bollix spouted by anti-everthing nutters tbh.

https://www.environpestcontrol.co.uk/pest-control-london/fox-removal-london/

Wow, a company that makes money from people wanting to kill foxes writes an article justifying the killing of foxes.

gozunda wrote: »

Edit: For anyone under the impression foxes are just little cute doggies. Heres what a quick Google search came up with.

https://i.imgflip.com/4e3xm7.jpg

https://davidjmobrien.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/fox-roe-fawn.jpg

http://www.bbc.com/news/10251349

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276529/Fox-attacks-baby-First-picture-week-old-Denny-Dolan-finger-ripped-Bromley-home.html

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irishman-killed-fox-stamping-death-9527344

https://metro.co.uk/2018/02/15/killer-urban-fox-attacks-baby-bouncer-sneaking-family-home-7314171/

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/news/elderly-woman-needs-twenty-stitches-after-vicious-fox-attack-34370130.html

Those links are laughable.

The Tetrarch · 07-09-2020 12:03pm

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Ah yes, the local English gentry fed your grandparents their scraps and your family/village is forever in their debt.

Animal abuse is animal abuse.
Being chased, hunted and savaged by a pack of dogs really shows their character.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a 100% carnivore, but nobody in Ireland eats foxes.
So they abuse animals for sport, it's completely unnecessary.

Another person telling country people they have no clue.
Many want to get rid of the hunt, and others want horse racing banned.
Then you must kill all the horses.
Plenty of horses are not good enough to race.
You could keep all the useless horses in a big field for the rest of their lives, with you paying (possibly not). Or they could be used for recreation.
This is what happens. The hunt chases the fox and in almost all cases the fox gets away.
The fox is chased by horses and hounds. The horses eat grass and grain. The dogs eat horses.
The hounds (hunt pack) eat horses, culled because they are not good enough, or because they are too old, or because they are finished racing and not used for breeding.

The lifspan of a fox is one to three years, but can be up to ten years.
A hunt is visible, but foxes and other animals do not live long undisturbed lives until old age takes them.
What offends people is seeing the fox chased. They are offended for a minute, then stop thinking about the foxes, the hounds, the horses.
In nature, the slow, the old, and the weak get culled by carnivores, and the rest survive. This is animal abuse.

My grandparents ran a pub and a farm, and as far as I know did not feed on scraps from the English gentry.

Allinall · 07-09-2020 12:09pm

Has nobody asked the pertinent question?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE

gozunda · 07-09-2020 12:34pm

dotsman wrote: »

Wow, a company that makes money from people wanting to kill foxes writes an article justifying the killing of foxes.
Those links are laughable.

There's hundreds of companies who legally remove and kill foxes all over the UK. You got a personal problem with all them as well.? And btw thats not an 'article' - thats the service they provide. And why foxes can be a problem. And yes its legal.

And you think foxes with sarcoptic mange and toxoplasmosis in urban areas is funny? And reports of rogue foxes predating pets, attacking babies and oaps are 'Laughable".Really?

And ditto the BBC, the Independent and wildlife photographers reporting on same Yes?

You seem to have a bigger issue with people tbh. Notably calling others "vile cúnts " in this thread. And wishing people dead. Nice attitude mate.

If so maybe just stick with the disney films like Bambi for now. But wait looks like foxes eat fawns as well...

https://i.imgflip.com/4e45k2.jpg

Oh deer ....

Feisar · 07-09-2020 12:41pm

golfball37 wrote: »

They were teenage girls on horseback. Where I come from that is far more normal and gentile than giving them guns. They are not doing it for fun, it’s the only way we know how down here.

I’d could count on one hand the amount of people I know with a registered shotgun and that’s the way it should be.

What's wrong with guns? I'd say way more people have them than you know. I have five, I don't advertise it though.

Chiparus · 07-09-2020 12:49pm

golfball37 wrote: »

There’s a lot of them around lately, a lot of chickens being killed in my locality at night. We need a controlled cull like we do with deer. Thankfully I saw a local hunt last week but small numbers only 3 horses and about ten hounds but we need more.

Seems quare out of season?

Chiparus · 07-09-2020 12:51pm

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Another person telling country people they have no clue.
Many want to get rid of the hunt, and others want horse racing banned.
Then you must kill all the horses.
Plenty of horses are not good enough to race.
You could keep all the useless horses in a big field for the rest of their lives, with you paying (possibly not). Or they could be used for recreation.
This is what happens. The hunt chases the fox and in almost all cases the fox gets away.
The fox is chased by horses and hounds. The horses eat grass and grain. The dogs eat horses.
The hounds (hunt pack) eat horses, culled because they are not good enough, or because they are too old, or because they are finished racing and not used for breeding.

The lifspan of a fox is one to three years, but can be up to ten years.
A hunt is visible, but foxes and other animals do not live long undisturbed lives until old age takes them.
What offends people is seeing the fox chased. They are offended for a minute, then stop thinking about the foxes, the hounds, the horses.
In nature, the slow, the old, and the weak get culled by carnivores, and the rest survive. This is animal abuse.

My grandparents ran a pub and a farm, and as far as I know did not feed on scraps from the English gentry.

Remember what they wanted to castrate all the male deer in the phoenix park , to avoid a cull.

Penfailed · 07-09-2020 1:00pm

gozunda wrote: »

rogue foxes predating pets

Is that like a fox going for a date with a pet before the actual date...or is that the fox being around the place prior to pets? I'd imagine foxes probably do pre-date pets to be fair.

golfball37 · 07-09-2020 1:06pm

Chiparus wrote: »

Seems quare out of season?

The official hunt season starts in November but cub hunting is legal from August

gozunda · 07-09-2020 1:09pm

Penfailed wrote: »

Is that like a fox going for a date with a pet before the actual date...or is that the fox being around the place prior to pets? I'd imagine foxes probably do pre-date pets to be fair.

Just for you. Heres a picture! .... lol

https://i.imgflip.com/4e47xd.jpg

Maybe this pair :eek:

Penfailed · 07-09-2020 1:12pm

gozunda wrote: »

Just for you. Heres a picture! .... lol

I was messing

whisky_galore · 07-09-2020 1:15pm

gozunda wrote: »

Said by Authur Wilde who was locked up for sodomy :pac:

He wasn't wrong.
And it's Oscar.

Brand_New · 07-09-2020 1:24pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

He wasn't wrong.
And it's Oscar.

But he was an author was he not?

gozunda · 07-09-2020 1:32pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

He wasn't wrong.
And it's Oscar.

It was indeed

.

My bad. I was thinking of one of his books.

https://www.amazon.com/Oscar-Wilde-Savilles-heaven-friends/dp/1783946776

Discodog · 07-09-2020 2:10pm

dotsman wrote: »

Wow, a company that makes money from people wanting to kill foxes writes an article justifying the killing of foxes.

Those links are laughable.

The horror stories don't work because most people's experience of foxes isn't like that.

I have rescued dozens, for a wildlife rescue in the UK & never met an aggressive fox.

We used Heathrow Airport & Clapham Common as release sites.

gozunda · 07-09-2020 2:30pm

Discodog wrote: »

The horror stories don't work because most people's experience of foxes isn't like that. I have rescued dozens, for a wildlife rescue in the UK & never met an aggressive fox. We used Heathrow Airport & Clapham Common as release sites.

So I guess those specific people being attacked doesn't matter to you? They are just "horror stories"?

Heres another. I suppose this is also made up?

Here's a story that probably doesn't suit your idea of all foxes being disney characters or whatever

I live in an area where despite contolled hunting - has been overrun with foxes. And yes I have encountered rogue foxes. You also get diseased and dying foxes. They can also be aggressive predators. But no - no-one wishes to wipe out foxes. Pest control is about managing these populations.

I have a conservation Wetland wildlife area for birds (non shooting) Two years in a row - all the nesting sites were wipped out by foxes. Caught on wildlife camera. Birds killed and left uneaten.

Btw you do know you were breaking UK law releasing captured foxes btw?

Tbh I find this eternal furry friends debate puerile at best. With most of the extreme looney brigade apparently centered in the UK imo. No need for that crap here tbh.

The Tetrarch · 07-09-2020 3:03pm

Discodog wrote: »

I have rescued dozens, for a wildlife rescue in the UK & never met an aggressive fox.
We used Heathrow Airport & Clapham Common as release sites.

Is that with the agreement of the airport?

An Ri rua · 07-09-2020 3:52pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Four or five of them sitting on the pillars along the gardens of the street wineing like foook the other night. Whole street awake. This fox business is getting out of hand.

They dont look like fluffy cartoon foxes, they are the size of skinny labradors and look like zombie dogs with their mange.

Something needs to be done before somebody trips over one of them early one dark morning and gets savaged by them.

They dont run away anymore.

It started with an animal virus crossing over into humans.
The people noticed animals gathered in small numbers, communicating, hatching plans almost.
Then a poor soul returning from their dawn lockdown powerwalk stumbled over a lone, sick little fox. Why was it coming so close? Must be so ill

The sickening bone pain as the sharp fangs piercing to the bone of his ankle were joined by others. The front door seemed so far away now, attempting to scream above the cacophony of coyote-like screams.
To have come from Syria and to die like this, in dear old sh1tty Dublin.....
Sounds like you've been falling asleep watching Zoo.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt3250026/
......

dotsman · 07-09-2020 4:18pm

gozunda wrote: »

There's hundreds of companies who legally remove and kill foxes all over the UK. You got a personal problem with all them as well.? And btw thats not an 'article' - thats the service they provide. And why foxes can be a problem. And yes its legal.

I know it is legal. You don't need to keep repeating it. It doesn't mean it is right.

gozunda wrote: »

And you think foxes with sarcoptic mange and toxoplasmosis in urban areas is funny? And reports of rogue foxes predating pets, attacking babies and oaps are 'Laughable".Really?

Most stories are of the "dingo stole my baby variety". A lot more dogs are involved in attacks on babies, children, adults and pets. Are you suggest we start hunting dogs?

gozunda wrote: »

You seem to have a bigger issue with people tbh. Notably calling others "vile cúnts " in this thread. And wishing people dead. Nice attitude mate.

I have a problem with scumbags, as most people do. And where did I say I wish them dead?

gozunda wrote: »

If so maybe just stick with the disney films like Bambi for now. But wait looks like foxes eat fawns as well...

https://i.imgflip.com/4e45k2.jpg

Oh deer ....

I have no problem with animals behaving as nature intended. Why would I, or anyone?

Gael23 · 07-09-2020 4:22pm

Say the rosary first.

Then call the council to have it disposed of

dotsman · 07-09-2020 4:28pm

gozunda wrote: »

So I guess those specific people being attacked doesn't matter to you? They are just "horror stories"?

Heres another. I suppose this is also made up?

Here's a story that probably doesn't suit your idea of all foxes being disney characters or whatever

I live in an area where despite contolled hunting - has been overrun with foxes. And yes I have encountered rogue foxes. You also get diseased and dying foxes. They can also be aggressive predators. But no - no-one wishes to wipe out foxes. Pest control is about managing these populations.

I have a conservation Wetland wildlife area for birds (non shooting) Two years in a row - all the nesting sites were wipped out by foxes. Caught on wildlife camera. Birds killed and left uneaten.

Btw you do know you were breaking UK law releasing captured foxes btw?

Tbh I find this eternal furry friends debate puerile at best. With most of the extreme looney brigade apparently centered in the UK imo. No need for that crap here tbh.

You seem to have a real dark twisted hatred for beautiful wildlife. You should probably talk to someone about that.

In the meantime, this might cheer you up - some videos of foxes being rescued by decent humans (and released!)

And how about humans just being friendly to these incredible creatures!

Fox killed by car

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