The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

Fann Linn · 25-01-2021 10:45am

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Just to be clear, I'm far from a fan of FF FG Greens, I think they are handling it abysmally. Maybe they just know that Foster up North won't work with them on it.
But I was still disgusted by Mary Lou on Morning Ireland, she'll grab anything and everything, pure populist.

She asked for an all island approach. What's wrong with that?

Finty Lemon · 25-01-2021 11:09am

Fann Linn wrote: »

She asked for an all island approach. What's wrong with that?

What would an all-island approach entail?

a_squirrelman · 25-01-2021 11:34am

McMurphy wrote: »

They won't call for an island wide strategy, because "they know Arlene Foster won't work with them on it"

Like is that a serious reply? We're in the midst of one of the most serious health pandemics in living memory, with a highly contagious virus ravaging our citizens, and our govt probably just haven't bothered their barneys consulting with the UK or northern executive on the possibilities of exploring an island wide strategy, just because the DUP will prob say no?

Mustn't upset our creationist overlords.

Michaél, Leo or Eamon should be negotiating with the Tory government already and discuss the mutual benefits to both nations health, to introduce a ban on all Britain-ireland travel, by sea or by air for all but essential travel. If that means stopping flights and having strict checks on ferry's etc, so be it.

I can't see why the DUP can't be bypassed anyway if they emerge as an obstacle, it's not like the Brits don't have form in that regard.

But suggesting they have not already explored the possibility of getting an island wide strategy underway, just because the DUP might say no, is ridiculously stupid, not to mention pathetically cowardice if it is indeed their reason.

Calm yourself there McMurphy, I don't have any bloody answers, I'm just another regular nobody sharing my thoughts.
I haven't a clue what the government are doing and no need to go on a mad rant because I shared a random opinion of "Maybe they know Arlene Foster won't work with them on it".
I AGREE they are making a balls of everything. I agree they need to work with the north.

I only came on here because I don't like Mary Lou and think she flip flops on everything, and I think she would have been shouting about our "freedom" if those in charge had tried this months ago.

McMurphy · 25-01-2021 11:36am

Finty Lemon wrote: »

What would an all-island approach entail?

An all island approach to tackling the virus.

North-South restrictions are the same, at the same time. IE no lifting restrictions here, meaning lads from Newry nip over this side for a haircut or pint because the norths locked down, and vise versa, so no-one from Donegal might nip over to Derry for same if restrictions are lifted north of the border while still in place here.

Island of Ireland travel restrictions for all but essential travel from and to Britain, north and south. Similar international travel restrictions for flights and ferry's north/south.

The two island approach is nonsense, and would to the square root of nothing to protect us from the UK, and vise versa, and should be treated like the bolloxology it is.

The Tory's could go over the DUPers heads if they become their usual pedantic problematic selves.

The fact they haven't even discussed or explored the possibility of making this a reality with their British counterparts is a disgrace.

Fann Linn · 25-01-2021 11:37am

Finty Lemon wrote: »

What would an all-island approach entail?

She explained it this morning;
Locator forms correctly filled out and followed up on.
PSNI and Gardai actively stopping all non essential cross border traffic.
Quarantine and PCR testing

Didn't catch the rest.

McMurphy · 25-01-2021 11:41am

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Calm yourself there McMurphy, I don't have any bloody answers, I'm just another regular nobody sharing my thoughts.
I haven't a clue what the government are doing and no need to go on a mad rant because I shared a random opinion of "Maybe they know Arlene Foster won't work with them on it".
I AGREE they are making a balls of everything. I agree they need to work with the north.

I only came on here because I don't like Mary Lou and think she flip flops on everything, and I think she would have been shouting about our "freedom" if those in charge had tried this months ago.

I like how you at least admit to not having a scaldy balls notion on what to do, but want to dismiss the most bleedin obvious and sensible and necessary suggestion, because - "you don't like who suggested it"

You're honest, I'll at least give you that.

a_squirrelman · 25-01-2021 11:47am

McMurphy wrote: »

I like how you at least admit to not having a scaldy balls notion on what to do, but want to dismiss the most bleedin obvious and sensible and necessary suggestion, because - "you don't like who suggested it"

You're honest, I'll at least give you that.

Of course I haven't a notion, sure I'm not in politics. But Mary Lou is the ultimate spoofer.

If the government try to come to an agreement on an all-Ireland approach and it's refused up North then I say close the border. We can watch Mary Lou explode then. Would be fun to watch.

Fann Linn · 25-01-2021 11:49am

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Of course I haven't a notion, sure I'm not in politics. But Mary Lou is the ultimate spoofer.

If the government try to come to an agreement on an all-Ireland approach and it's refused up North then I say close the border. We can watch Mary Lou explode then. Would be fun to watch.

The govt won't close the border.

blanch152 · 25-01-2021 12:05pm

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Mary Lou loving the quarantine train.

If FF/FG/Greens were more enthusiastic about mandatory quarantine Mary Lou would be dead against it shouting about human rights etc.

So long as it is not a partitionist quarantine I take it? Or has she become one overnight?

jm08 · 25-01-2021 12:06pm

From what I recall hearing last week, the Northern Assembly doesn't have the competence to support an all island approach. British Gov. have that competence and as we all know, they don't care what happens on the island of Ireland.

blanch152 · 25-01-2021 12:08pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

She explained it this morning;
Locator forms correctly filled out and followed up on.
PSNI and Gardai actively stopping all non essential cross border traffic.
Quarantine and PCR testing

Didn't catch the rest.

Here is Tommie Gorman on the issue

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2021/0124/1191778-tommie-gorman/

"GDPR issues – who would get that information, how might it be used, might there be legal implications – are the main reasons why Dublin has so far refused to share that information with Belfast."

I pointed this out days ago but unfortunately some here don't want to either listen or understand these concerns. However, they are not insurmountable concerns and can be overcome by a two-island approach with relevant protocols in place but no doubt Mary-Lou will dismiss that suggestion.

McMurphy · 25-01-2021 12:11pm

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Of course I haven't a notion, sure I'm not in politics. But Mary Lou is the ultimate spoofer.

If the government try to come to an agreement on an all-Ireland approach and it's refused up North then I say close the border. We can watch Mary Lou explode then. Would be fun to watch.

"Close the border" would be as practical as emptying s swimming pool with a sieve, it isn't possible in reality.

However - what's getting lost in your "I don't like Mary Lou" rants, is it's not a shinner exclusive proposal.

But so long as you get your laughs squirrel, that's what is important after all.

Bishop of hope · 25-01-2021 12:15pm

McMurphy wrote: »

"Close the border" would be as practical as emptying s swimming pool with a sieve, it isn't possible in reality.

However - what's getting lost in your "I don't like Mary Lou" rants, is it's not a shinner exclusive proposal.

But so long as you get your laughs squirrel, that's what is important after all.

But you just said it should be possible if the PSNI and garda work together there earlier?

FrancieBrady · 25-01-2021 12:15pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Here is Tommie Gorman on the issue

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2021/0124/1191778-tommie-gorman/

"GDPR issues – who would get that information, how might it be used, might there be legal implications – are the main reasons why Dublin has so far refused to share that information with Belfast."

I pointed this out days ago but unfortunately some here don't want to either listen or understand these concerns. However, they are not insurmountable concerns and can be overcome by a two-island approach with relevant protocols in place but no doubt Mary-Lou will dismiss that suggestion.

How does the two island approach protect us from Britain?

FrancieBrady · 25-01-2021 12:16pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

But you just said it should be possible if the PSNI and garda work together there earlier?

Closing the border is not the same thing as policing the border. I can tell you anecdotally that there is little to zero policing going on here.

Bishop of hope · 25-01-2021 12:19pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Closing the border is not the same thing as policing the border. I can tell you anecdotally that there is little to zero policing going on here.

Why?

FrancieBrady · 25-01-2021 12:21pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Why?

You tell me. I don't know why, when there are restrictions in place.

McMurphy · 25-01-2021 12:23pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Here is Tommie Gorman on the issue

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2021/0124/1191778-tommie-gorman/

"GDPR issues – who would get that information, how might it be used, might there be legal implications – are the main reasons why Dublin has so far refused to share that information with Belfast."

I pointed this out days ago but unfortunately some here don't want to either listen or understand these concerns. However, they are not insurmountable concerns and can be overcome by a two-island approach with relevant protocols in place but no doubt Mary-Lou will dismiss that suggestion.

As was pointed out to you on the other in the other thread, the GDPR issue is a complete and utter red herring, you know this.

Data protection law after 31 December 2020: will the GDPR apply in the UK after Brexit?
Although the EU GDPR itself no longer applies to UK residents’ personal data, UK organisations must still comply with its requirements after this point.

First, the DPA 2018 already enacts the EU GDPR’s requirements in UK law.

Second, the DPPEC (Data Protection, Privacy and Electronic Communications (Amendments etc) (EU Exit)) Regulations 2019 amends the DPA 2018 and merges it with the requirements of the EU GDPR to form a data protection regime that works in a UK context after Brexit alongside the DPA 2018.

This new regime is known as ‘the UK GDPR’.

There is very little material difference between the EU GDPR and the UK GDPR, so organisations that process personal data should continue to comply with the EU GDPR’s requirements.

Learn more about complying with the DPA 2018 and UK GDPR

The EU GDPR’s requirements as implemented by Parts 3 and 4 of the DPA 2018 continue to apply for law enforcement and intelligence purposes.

Third, any UK organisation that offers goods or services to, or monitors the behaviour of, EU residents will have to comply with the EU GDPR, and will have to make some changes to their data processing activities.

TLDR?

Both Tommy and yourself are peddling nonsense on the issue.

McMurphy · 25-01-2021 12:24pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

But you just said it should be possible if the PSNI and garda work together there earlier?

Where did I say that?

I'll just save you time and effort looking for something that doesn't exist.

I didn't.

Bishop of hope · 25-01-2021 12:25pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You tell me. I don't know why, when there are restrictions in place.

So the problem is policing?
People are breaking the restrictions is that it.
I can't see your point in any of that statement.

Bishop of hope · 25-01-2021 12:29pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Where did I say that?

I'll just save you time and effort looking for something that doesn't exist.

I didn't.

Sorry Mc it was Fann Linn implied it, my mistake.

FrancieBrady · 25-01-2021 12:33pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

So the problem is policing?
People are breaking the restrictions is that it.
I can't see your point in any of that statement.

The problem is they aren't or can't police it and there are people proposing closing it completely.
It's about the committment to protect the people and posturing.

Bishop of hope · 25-01-2021 12:59pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The problem is they aren't or can't police it and there are people proposing closing it completely.
It's about the committment to protect the people and posturing.

It's about utter posturing from SF.
Our govt has no control over movements into or out of NI by land or sea other than to beg for it.
The only border that we can control from NI is the roads one.
So if that can't be controlled we are still up **** creek.
Sinn féin have a responsibility as a power sharing partner in NI to make the necessary arrangements to secure that part of the island, not FF/G/Gs.

blanch152 · 25-01-2021 1:13pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How does the two island approach protect us from Britain?

How does an all-island approach protect us from Belfast?
How does closing the border protect us from Dublin?
How does an all-Mayo approach protect us from Belmullet?

It comes down to what is practical and achievable. Closing the border isn't practical because the activities of good republicans over decades show that it is porous. An all-island approach isn't practical because the Stormont government parties are incapable of delivering it. A two-island approach may work, but it needs further exploration.

FrancieBrady · 25-01-2021 1:18pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It's about utter posturing from SF.
Our govt has no control over movements into or out of NI by land or sea other than to beg for it.
The only border that we can control from NI is the roads one.
So if that can't be controlled we are still up **** creek.
Sinn féin have a responsibility as a power sharing partner in NI to make the necessary arrangements to secure that part of the island, not FF/G/Gs.

So just give up, is it?

We have a role in NI under the GFA, we have a (seems to be only lipservice) stated committment to those who are Irish. Was all great and rosy when it was Brexit (because it threatened us) but has been completely absent on Covid.
SF have done what they can (proposed and voted for measures that would see an All island approach) and have not recieved a word of support from the Irish government.
Meanwhile people are talking about closing the border as some sort of challenge to republicans when we haven't the resources or the will to even police it and the restrictions around 5k travel limits and leaving your county. That has been evident throughout the crisis.

a very cool kid · 25-01-2021 2:07pm

Ireland cannot enforce quarantine here without all of the UK doing the same. It's a common travel zone, same rules have to apply across the board.

It's not fair in my opinion to ask a British resident/citizen person to quarantine coming from the UK to another part of the UK. So any flights from Manchester/London to Belfast/Derry are a free for all. People should obviously travel only essentially.

If you're keeping the border open, which we should, then these people have free reign to come into ROI. Therefore it makes no sense to quarantine from UK to ROI either.

If you're coming here from somewhere outside Europe you're likely linking through London (for example all the Brazillians). If we're quarantining people, where do you do the quarantine, is it in Ireland or the UK? How do we know someone is in Ireland after a quarantine in that case?

Is the answer here that the quarantine happens at point of entry to the CTA (i.e. if you arrive in Dublin to go on to Edinburgh, you quarantine in Dublin?) ? And the governments work out the cost of hotels etc between themselves?

I think if you're realistic, you need to count the whole of the UK as part of the CTA and not try to conflate the COVID issue with a UI

blanch152 · 25-01-2021 2:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

your aware people arent allowed leave their counties?

Its ludicrious,im not allowed travel as far as youghal or new ross,or cross the bridge in carrick on suir

,but people from antrim can go to donegal/sligo to holiday homes....and gaurds wont turn em.back.....same bolixiolgy with last summer letting campervan after campervan leave rosslare and no effort to stop them,

Theres no point in lockdown,if we just going to let it back in.....this being our 3rd lockdown...you'd imagine ffg would have learned from their failures so far

The problem there isn't the gardai or the Irish government, it is the DUP/SF government and PSNI who are failing to enforce their own rules if people from Antrim are going to Donegal/Sligo.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/coronavirus-covid-19-regulations-guidance-what-restrictions-mean-you

FrancieBrady · 25-01-2021 2:59pm

a very cool kid wrote: »

Ireland cannot enforce quarantine here without all of the UK doing the same. It's a common travel zone, same rules have to apply across the board.

It's not fair in my opinion to ask a British resident/citizen person to quarantine coming from the UK to another part of the UK. So any flights from Manchester/London to Belfast/Derry are a free for all. People should obviously travel only essentially.

If you're keeping the border open, which we should, then these people have free reign to come into ROI. Therefore it makes no sense to quarantine from UK to ROI either.

If you're coming here from somewhere outside Europe you're likely linking through London (for example all the Brazillians). If we're quarantining people, where do you do the quarantine, is it in Ireland or the UK? How do we know someone is in Ireland after a quarantine in that case?

Is the answer here that the quarantine happens at point of entry to the CTA (i.e. if you arrive in Dublin to go on to Edinburgh, you quarantine in Dublin?) ? And the governments work out the cost of hotels etc between themselves?

I think if you're realistic, you need to count the whole of the UK as part of the CTA and not try to conflate the COVID issue with a UI

...and after a year all that is only in an 'embryonic stage'. Awful, lazy and chaotic government and nothing to do with a UI but everything to do with cowardice and political gameplaying with people's lives.

FrancieBrady · 25-01-2021 3:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Gaurds can turn someone from dublin back outside tramore,did several times last year

Gaurds cannot turn someone from antrim back at sligo.....nor can they turn campervans back at rosslare.....

This is fcuking ludicrious,this caused the success of the 1st lockdown to be rolled back.......why are ffg so inept,that 6 months on,they still havnt enacted powers for this??

We are the threat to the north now. There is as much movement north from here as vice versa.

Bishop of hope · 25-01-2021 3:08pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We are the threat to the north now. There is as much movement north from here as vice versa.

They'll probably close the border.

blanch152 · 25-01-2021 3:09pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Gaurds can turn someone from dublin back outside tramore,did several times last year

Gaurds cannot turn someone from antrim back at sligo.....nor can they turn campervans back at rosslare.....

This is fcuking ludicrious,this caused the success of the 1st lockdown to be rolled back.......why are ffg so inept,that 6 months on,they still havnt enacted powers for this??

Will we have another summer of campervans flooding into tramore,ardmore,youghal,dungarvan all yellow reg,while we arent allowed 20km from home??

Have there been preparations for forced quaramtines for campervans at rosslare been made yet??,summer will soon be about again

Will ffg do as always,wait for a problem to arise,in place of proactive measures....no wonder this government is always in crisis mode...FFS

That is not the government's fault, the Sinn Fein/DUP government should have ensured that they never got that far. We should complain to Stormont.

FrancieBrady · 25-01-2021 3:09pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

They'll probably close the border.

Martin catergorically ruled that out, so you can forget it.

blanch152 · 25-01-2021 3:10pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We are the threat to the north now. There is as much movement north from here as vice versa.

Death rates and infection rates in the North since the start of the crisis have been much higher than in the South, meaning the threat is from the North and the lax policies applied there.

blanch152 · 25-01-2021 3:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

ireland literally had highest infection rate in world earlier this month :pac:

But facts dont matter,i guess

Ireland for a very brief period of time had the highest infection rate in the world, as the UK variant established itself here, thanks to the open border with the North. Thankfully, that high rate has abated, and we are once again below Northern Ireland and the UK as well as many other Northern European countries.

25-01-2021 3:18pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Ireland for a very brief period of time had the highest infection rate in the world, as the UK variant established itself here, thanks to the open border with the North. Thankfully, that high rate has abated, and we are once again below Northern Ireland and the UK as well as many other Northern European countries.

So...your saying you lied,when claimed the norths infection rate has always been higher

What else have you lied about?

McMurphy · 25-01-2021 3:22pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Ireland for a very brief period of time had the highest infection rate in the world,

"A brief period of time" ≠ "A little bit pregnant"

as the UK variant established itself here, thanks to the open border with the North. Thankfully, that high rate has abated, and we are once again below Northern Ireland and the UK as well as many other Northern European countries.

It wasn't the daily flights directly into Dublin from UK so?

Great, that's that all cleared up so.

Do you have a source to back that up?

James Brown · 25-01-2021 3:27pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Again, let me explain this to you simply.

Councils employ tradespeople including plumbers, electricians etc. They have permanent jobs and excellent rates of pay. They also have Union agreements that they can’t be undercut by contracting out.

These are facts, you can’t walk away from them. As a Journal article says, these facts mean that it is not possible to say whether Councils can build houses cheaper than developers, and it may cost more.

They are inconvenient facts to your mantra of Councils building houses. Sorry to burst that bubble.

As I have explained, a council I knew very well has no tradespeople hired to simply carry out their trade. They are housing inspectors who hold trades. As I said, they will occasionally carry out minor jobs, however the council will contract out to plumbers etc. more often than not. The council I know has a few inspectors and an admin chap in the depot and that's it.

Can you back up the section I put in bold about not undercutting?

That's your claim. Not mine. Building is cheaper this has been shown to you repeatedly.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression if the state/LA's built houses they would need use their own staff. I have not said such. They would put out a tender for any such work.
You are creating imaginary road blocks to back up defending the 25 year leasing of luxury D4 apartments and the like.

McMurphy · 25-01-2021 3:35pm

Deleted User wrote: »

afaik.....free state between xmas and new year,had more of the uk varient (B117) than NI......it began in the south east england...maybe its time to refer to it,as the english varient

Its upto 62% of cases here now.....

(being i think 8% around xmas to new years week,a rather fasicating,if macabre example of the theory of evolution in action)

Posters shouldn't be allowed to peddle unsubstantiated BS as if it's fact.

Almost a full weekend here I seen folk peddle a lie about Frances Fitzgerald being "exonerated for misleading the Dail" - BS

The GDPR invented issue, is just that, invented and spurious, reasons being explained complete with various sources, and they're still peddling it.

Now we have a claim the UK strain entered here from the north. Anything to back it up? Nope, nada, not a thing.

It really is dishonest and immature and borders on outright propaganda tbh.

a very cool kid · 25-01-2021 3:36pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

your aware people arent allowed leave their counties?

Its ludicrious,im not allowed travel as far as youghal or new ross,or cross the bridge in carrick on suir

,but people from antrim can go to donegal/sligo to holiday homes....and gaurds wont turn em.back.....same bolixiolgy with last summer letting campervan after campervan leave rosslare and no effort to stop them,

Theres no point in lockdown,if we just going to let it back in.....this being our 3rd lockdown...you'd imagine ffg would have learned from their failures so far

This is whataboutery - if you go from Cork to Dublin for essential purposes you don't need to quarantine. Why would it be any different for a British person going from one part of the UK to another (e.g. a doctor from Liverpool to Belfast)?

FrancieBrady · 25-01-2021 3:42pm

a very cool kid wrote: »

This is whataboutery - if you go from Cork to Dublin for essential purposes you don't need to quarantine. Why would it be any different for a British person going from one part of the UK to another (e.g. a doctor from Liverpool to Belfast)?

Simple practicality and a mature admission that this is an island?
People's lives are at stake and Dublin should at least be pointing that out to those like Foster and Wison who are brazenly claiming their positions are 'political'.

Man up Dublin and call it out and contradict them at every turn. That is how you bring pressure to bear on people like this. They'd have no compunction and haven't if it was Shinner.

James Brown · 25-01-2021 3:46pm

blanch152 wrote: »

That is not the government's fault, the Sinn Fein/DUP government should have ensured that they never got that far. We should complain to Stormont.

Surely it's the public's fault for not taking responsibility? :rolleyes:

If the south was bad, say worst in the world, would you be complaining about FF/FG/Green? No, you weren't.

stefanovich wrote: »

An increase in unemployment is an increase in her voter base.

People who lose their jobs vote for the opposition because they were made unemployed? Makes sense. Not everyone continues to vote for the same party regardless of how detrimental the outcome.

a very cool kid · 25-01-2021 3:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Simple practicality and a mature admission that this is an island?
People's lives are at stake and Dublin should at least be pointing that out to those like Foster and Wison who are brazenly claiming their positions are 'political'.

Man up Dublin and call it out and contradict them at every turn. That is how you bring pressure to bear on people like this. They'd have no compunction and haven't if it was Shinner.

The only people being political are Sinn Féin. If we want to quarantine incoming we have to use existing borders, like it or lump it, NI is part of the UK so any incoming travel ban/quarantine has to include the Greater UK. That's the only solution everyone could agree on.

If you're serious about saving lives, having ROI and the UK agree to quarantine everyone coming into the CTA between them is the correct solution that upsets nobody.

FrancieBrady · 25-01-2021 3:54pm

a very cool kid wrote: »

The only people being political are Sinn Féin.

Rubbish, the DUP are openly saying it.

On The Pat Kenny Show this morning, DUP MP Sammy Wilson said travel restrictions between Northern Ireland and Britain would be politically unacceptable.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/all-island-coronavirus-approach-not-acceptable-practically-or-politically-dup-1140282?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1611576145
Everybody has been expected to put politics aside(rightly so), except these people. Bad and all as Ian Paisley was, he could put the stupid abstract notions of identity aside when it came to cows. But we allow the DUP to pontificate when human lives are at stake.

If we want to quarantine incoming we have to use existing borders, like it or lump it, NI is part of the UK so any incoming travel ban/quarantine has to include the Greater UK. That's the only solution everyone could agree on.

If you're serious about saving lives, having ROI and the UK agree to quarantine everyone coming into the CTA between them is the correct solution that upsets nobody.

And pathetically any of that is in the 'embryonic stage'. When will they get around to it, when everyone is vaccinated?

atticu · 25-01-2021 4:02pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Posters shouldn't be allowed to peddle unsubstantiated BS as if it's fact.

It really is dishonest and immature and borders on outright propaganda tbh.

I completely agree on this.

Unfortunately posters, keep posting opinion as fact.

The funny thing is how they try to shut down people who call them on it.

McMurphy · 25-01-2021 4:59pm

atticu wrote: »

I completely agree on this.

Unfortunately posters, keep posting opinion as fact.

The funny thing is how they try to shut down people who call them on it.

Weren't you advised on a thread just the other day to read back over the thread for context before asking ridiculous questions, and yet, - here you are today editing my post to purposely remove context, to make it somehow say what you would like it to say?

I'm humbled you "completely agree with me though", well done. You're a goodun.

blanch152 · 25-01-2021 5:09pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Its amazing posters blow themselves up as experts .about GDPR as its only a method of regulating use of collected info(to push back againest FB,curtail ads online etc)

Unless people are honesrly expecting stormont to send them.advertisements/impinge upon their privacy.....its not outside GDPR rules,so long as destroyed within an agreed timeframe/box ticked on the airport form iirc.......anyone on this site,has likely clicked on agreeing to cookies as it is,its mindless poorly arrived to critism,passed off as an expert knowledge

It is outside of GDPR rules to use information for the purpose other than for which it is collected and data controllers can only collect and use information for purposes to which they are entitled to. That is before you even get into the argument over whether the Brexit agreement is ratified or not and allows a transfer. As I posted already, here is Tommie Gorman on the issue:

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2021/0124/1191778-tommie-gorman/

"Northern Ireland’s Health Minister Robin Swann and his officials have been pushing the authorities in Dublin to share information with them about passengers arriving into Republic of Ireland airports and ports before heading to Northern Ireland.

The NI authorities know Dublin Airport is significantly busier that its quiet network of Belfast City, Aldergrove and Derry. They are also aware of how all arriving passengers south of the border, including those from Great Britain, are obliged to fill in a locator form and show evidence of a negative virus test.

GDPR issues – who would get that information, how might it be used, might there be legal implications – are the main reasons why Dublin has so far refused to share that information with Belfast."

The GDPR problem is not an opinion, is not invented and spurious, it is real. Putting your head in the sands of an all-island approach and ignoring the GDPR issue is a foolish option.

atticu · 25-01-2021 5:14pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Weren't you advised on a thread just the other day to read back over the thread for context before asking ridiculous questions, and yet, - here you are today editing my post to purposely remove context, to make it somehow say what you would like it to say?

I'm humbled you "completely agree with me though", well done. You're a goodun.

Thank you for proving me right.

You just can’t help yourself, can you.

McMurphy · 25-01-2021 5:18pm

Atticu, I'm sure you're cryptic posts make sense to you and your own brain, and that's great, it really is, and you tear away with that, do whatever makes you happy, and never worry what anyone else thinks - or how you might come across to them.

But from where I'm sitting, your posts are as irrelevant to me as cat meme's are, and I view and give them the same significance and importance as I give cat meme's.

atticu · 25-01-2021 5:21pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Atticu, I'm sure you're cryptic posts make sense to you and your own brain, and that's great, it really is, and you tear away with that, do whatever makes you happy, and never worry what anyone else thinks - or how you might come across to them.

But from where I'm sitting, your posts are as irrelevant to me as cat meme's are, and I view and give them the same significance and importance as I give cat meme's.

It seems that I hit a nerve there.

If my posts were irrelevant, you would not reply to them.

Brendan Bendar · 25-01-2021 5:40pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Posters shouldn't be allowed to peddle unsubstantiated BS as if it's fact.

Almost a full weekend here I seen folk peddle a lie about Frances Fitzgerald being "exonerated for misleading the Dail" - BS

The GDPR invented issue, is just that, invented and spurious, reasons being explained complete with various sources, and they're still peddling it.

Now we have a claim the UK strain entered here from the north. Anything to back it up? Nope, nada, not a thing.

It really is dishonest and immature and borders on outright propaganda tbh.

Then you need to stop the lad scraping Twitter and claiming everything is “in Tatters” Randal.

Sauce for the goose like........:)

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