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Chinese atrocities = silence?

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  • #52
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    beejee wrote: »
    That's a fantastically bad idea.

    There was some uproar in Canada (?) not so long ago, about Chinese students reporting back to china on the "inappropriate behaviour" of other students.

    Theres another scandal about vast numbers of Chinese cheating their way into American colleges, spys left right and center keeping an eye on "things"

    These people do not care about anything other than improving China for Chinese people.

    While they prosper from us and enact atrocities left right and center with a view to spreading worldwide and setting up colonies, we can get them to change by allowing them to do what they want and let them move here even more easily? That's a bold strategy there! :P

    China is like the USSR, but actually very successful. That's one hell of a combination.

    You really should meet some Chinese people in the west, rather than pick up this insane guff from the US far right. Great bunch of lads.


  • #53
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    TheDiceMan2020 wrote: »
    Because "orange man bad" and until the media decide China is the bad guy and harp on about it endlessly your average drone dumbbell won't know or care about it.

    The average drone dumbbell is talking about China on this thread.


  • #54
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Its become very unpopular to point to other cultures and say they are wrong about something. We're only allowed to complain about stuff we do.


    What is going on in China is extreme. Its similar to nazi germany.


  • #55
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    You really should meet some Chinese people in the west, rather than pick up this insane guff from the US far right. Great bunch of lads.


    They are literally terrified of their government. And extreme poverty is NORMAL.

    Plus you can't own your own house and its difficult to pass wealth down. Not impossible but hard.


  • #56
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    China is not a western democracy, America is or claims to be. That is why attitudes to both are different.
    We may hate what is going on in china but have zero influence and depend on their economy. Sad but true.
    America is a western country with European heritage and plenty of Irish descendants. It will obviously be of more interest and more influence.


  • #57
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    They are literally terrified of their government. And extreme poverty is NORMAL.

    Plus you can't own your own house and its difficult to pass wealth down. Not impossible but hard.

    China has literally pushed its way out of extreme poverty faster than any other society in history. And the Chinese aren’t scared of the government - it’s authoritarian rather than totalitarian.


  • #58
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    China has literally pushed its way out of extreme poverty faster than any other society in history. And the Chinese aren’t scared of the government - it’s authoritarian rather than totalitarian.


    That isn't true. I have numerous chinese and hong kong chinese friends.

    It can turn totalitarian in an area at the blink of an eye. Your life can change.

    Forced abortions concentration camps whole areas under a different rule of law for a generation.

    Remember huge population millions still remain pour. And no the type of poverty you see here.

    Huge areas still have the one child rule.

    They are taught a whole fake history of their country and world history. It bears no resemblance to reality.

    My friend couldn't believe reality when she started reading things here.

    It still goes on with current events and news etc.

    I could go on.

    Terrible things happen in china to whole families.

    RUSSIA is authoritarian.


  • #59
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,140 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    There are protests against China, mostly around the Tibet issue. However they can't be placed under sanction as they have a seat on the UNSC, and footage of the atrocities it commits anywhere is rare. Given their industrial strength there is no appetite amongst the international community to tackle them.


  • #60
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Yeah that hippy trump :rolleyes:

    The next time 'the left' are doing business in china they should look at themselves in the mirror :)

    Tbf its a thundering disgrace that noone.pulls china up on human right abuses.


    Everyone kinda ignores it coz muh cheap iphones....its pure wrong


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  • #61
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Odhinn wrote: »
    There are protests against China, mostly around the Tibet issue. However they can't be placed under sanction as they have a seat on the UNSC, and footage of the atrocities it commits anywhere is rare. Given their industrial strength there is no appetite amongst the international community to tackle them.


    They won't ever tackle it.


  • #62
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Tbf its a thundering disgrace that noone.pulls china up on human right abuses.


    Everyone kinda ignores it coz muh cheap iphones....its pure wrong


    True I mean we never boycott anything. We would have to boycott EVERYTHING!


  • #63
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Tbf its a thundering disgrace that noone.pulls china up on human right abuses.


    Everyone kinda ignores it coz muh cheap iphones....its pure wrong

    iPhones aren’t that cheap.

    To reduce some of the hysteria here - the chinese have 116 people per 100,000 in jail. Less than the U.K. Far less than the US. (About 600).

    This concern about China is fairly typical of anytime the west is challenged.


  • #64
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    iPhones aren’t that cheap.

    To reduce some of the hysteria here - the chinese have 116 people per 100,000 in jail. Less than the U.K. Far less than the US. (About 600).

    This concern about China is fairly typical of anytime the west is challenged.

    They have a whole host of problems and their prision rate isnt particularly high


    Massive restrictions on freedoms that would be taken as norm in the west are just not allowed there (evem a brief read on what happened in runup to beijing olmpics is wrong to anyone)

    .......the reason noone bothers there arse to tackle the issue is as far as i can see that china provides cheap tat to the west......they have basically undercut manufacter wages the world over and everyone turns blind eye to human rights abuse and its pure wrong


  • #65
    victor8600
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭victor8600


    beejee wrote: »
    ...
    Theres another scandal about vast numbers of Chinese cheating their way into American colleges, spys left right and center keeping an eye on "things"

    These people do not care about anything other than improving China for Chinese people.

    On no, what horror!

    Seriously though, pushing change onto others rarely works well. We have to defend our own freedom and hope that other countries see the benefits and follow suit.


  • #66
    beejee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    victor8600 wrote: »
    On no, what horror!

    Seriously though, pushing change onto others rarely works well. We have to defend our own freedom and hope that other countries see the benefits and follow suit.

    My point was and is that the Chinese are aggressively expansionist and reaping vast reward from it. Allowing them more leeway is disastrous.

    Of the few Chinese people I know to any extent, 2 of them carry the little red book. That's living in ireland. Appeasement has no place now.

    China, almost literally, has become orwells 1984. There's no shining a light on people like that. If it was contained within their own borders it could be ignored, but it's clear as crystal they have plans to take over everything they can.

    Africa is fast becoming a Chinese owned resource, and they're looking to South and central America next.

    At what point do you do something proactive about it? Now, while you have the means, or later when you're weaker and they're stronger?


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  • #67
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    beejee wrote: »
    Why is there barely a peep...

    They've been condemned over and over...

    There's little to no sense being made here. You claim there's barely a peep then you say they are being condemned consistently... which is it?


  • #68
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Remember if it's not America doing it , everything is fine and dandy .

    Wait till Hong Kong really kicks off and the Chinese military arrive in numbers for tiananmen square 2
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  • #69
    beejee
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    Louisa Lazy Steam wrote: »
    There's little to no sense being made here. You claim there's barely a peep then you say they are being condemned consistently... which is it?

    If you read with your eyeballs as opposed to your ears you'd see what I wrote.

    There is a difference between social attention and a UN report.


  • #70
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    iPhones aren’t that cheap.

    To reduce some of the hysteria here - the chinese have 116 people per 100,000 in jail. Less than the U.K. Far less than the US. (About 600).

    This concern about China is fairly typical of anytime the west is challenged.

    Move along, nothing to see here.


  • #71
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Move along, nothing to see here.

    See people actually believe what the Chinese government actually tell them ......
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  • #72
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,140 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    iPhones aren’t that cheap.

    To reduce some of the hysteria here - the chinese have 116 people per 100,000 in jail. Less than the U.K. Far less than the US. (About 600).

    This concern about China is fairly typical of anytime the west is challenged.




    That's according to who though. It doesn't - afaik - include those "detained" for "re-education".


  • #73
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    China has literally pushed its way out of extreme poverty faster than any other society in history. And the Chinese aren’t scared of the government - it’s authoritarian rather than totalitarian.

    I don’t know.
    Any time I’ve been to China when you really chat with locals they are very careful what they say. They are terrified that the party will get wind they are speaking against it.


  • #74
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    _blaaz wrote: »
    They have a whole host of problems and their prision rate isnt particularly high


    Massive restrictions on freedoms that would be taken as norm in the west are just not allowed there (evem a brief read on what happened in runup to beijing olmpics is wrong to anyone)

    .......the reason noone bothers there arse to tackle the issue is as far as i can see that china provides cheap tat to the west......they have basically undercut manufacter wages the world over and everyone turns blind eye to human rights abuse and its pure wrong
    Everybody is turning a blind eye to what is happening in America and we have some influence there.
    Extreme racism including the police force, black people getting way longer sentences than whites, concentration camps, death penalty, actual life sentences, war mongoring round the world, president who has sexually assaulted women, regular mass murdering.


  • #75
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    _Brian wrote: »
    Everybody is turning a blind eye to what is happening in America and we have some influence there.
    Extreme racism including the police force, black people getting way longer sentences than whites, concentration camps, death penalty, actual life sentences, war mongoring round the world, president who has sexually assaulted women, regular mass murdering.

    America is a joke the way they carry on....they elected a cartoon villain (he literally has a mega tower named after himself ffs) and long term twitter troll president


    It has gone as well as could be expected :pac:

    ....but 1 good to come from.it...is decades of bitterenss and subjects brushed aside in name of political correctness are now brought to the surface and now must be addressed properly......how long it takes for these to be sorted is another question


  • #76
    beejee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    _Brian wrote: »
    Everybody is turning a blind eye to what is happening in America and we have some influence there.
    Extreme racism including the police force, black people getting way longer sentences than whites, concentration camps, death penalty, actual life sentences, war mongoring round the world, president who has sexually assaulted women, regular mass murdering.

    Everyone's turning a blind eye? Really?

    Really?!

    It's plastered in front of us day in day out. The hyperbole is off the charts.

    Compare that to sanctioned body harvesting in china, just to name one thing.

    They aren't remotely close in terms of inhuman treatment.

    Yet only one of them has intense scrutiny, and the other may as well be in a different galaxy.

    Why is that? Here's the inconvenient truth, it's because it "suits", it's because it's "easy".


  • #77
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    I sometimes wonder when i see a thread like this is there some guy in China/south east Asia posting on their version of boards saying that their media ignores all the stories about clerical sex abuse in the catholic church that happened in Ireland.


  • #78
    beejee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    Nosnon wrote: »
    I sometimes wonder when i see a thread like this is there some guy in China/south east Asia posting on their version of boards saying that their media ignores all the stories about clerical sex abuse in the catholic church that happened in Ireland.

    If they were allowed an open forum, perhaps.

    But clerical sex abuse from the past is nothing compared to what China is actively engaged in, and seek to spread elsewhere.

    And it's the spreading part that makes it an international concern.


  • #79
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Gatling wrote: »
    See people actually believe what the Chinese government actually tell them ......

    Developmentally challenged people


  • #80
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    _Brian wrote: »
    I don’t know.
    Any time I’ve been to China when you really chat with locals they are very careful what they say. They are terrified that the party will get wind they are speaking against it.

    A relative of mine works there and is extremely careful what he says online or in private communications. He's pretty sure he's being monitored in some shape or form, and says the government is omnipresent in a polite authoritarian sort of way. They're there and they want you to know they are there, but they're not too obvious. He can't wait to come home.


  • #81
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    A relative of mine works there and is extremely careful what he says online or in private communications. He's pretty sure he's being monitored in some shape or form, and says the government is omnipresent in a polite authoritarian sort of way. They're there and they want you to know they are there, but they're not too obvious. He can't wait to come home.
    Originally Posted by _Brian viewpost.gif
    I don’t know.
    Any time I’ve been to China when you really chat with locals they are very careful what they say. They are terrified that the party will get wind they are speaking against it.

    Yep. Same experience ...

    You can't post anything political at all. Even like women's day or about children's rights. And you would be careful about talking about it at all.

    You can't have those types of discussions in a classroom even.


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  • #82
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,175 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Nermal wrote: »
    They're not killing them, just 're-educating' them.

    They've seen what has happened in Europe and don't want it happening to them.

    Understandable.

    they are not re-educating them. they are brutalising them because they are muslim. and you find that understandable, which is sickening.
    if they, and you think what happened in europe, and the actual genuine things that have happened rather then some nonsense about a muslim take over or white genocide, are going to be stopped from happening in china, then you are misguided. such behaviour from the chinese is likely to cause such attacks in backclash.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #83
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    beejee wrote: »
    My point was and is that the Chinese are aggressively expansionist and reaping vast reward from it. Allowing them more leeway is disastrous.

    Of the few Chinese people I know to any extent, 2 of them carry the little red book. That's living in ireland. Appeasement has no place now.

    China, almost literally, has become orwells 1984. There's no shining a light on people like that. If it was contained within their own borders it could be ignored, but it's clear as crystal they have plans to take over everything they can.

    Africa is fast becoming a Chinese owned resource, and they're looking to South and central America next.

    At what point do you do something proactive about it? Now, while you have the means, or later when you're weaker and they're stronger?

    This reads like a 19C nationalistic rant - circa the great game. A modern yellow peril.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril


  • #84
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    end of the road wrote: »
    they are not re-educating them. they are brutalising them because they are muslim. and you find that understandable, which is sickening.
    if they, and you think what happened in europe, and the actual genuine things that have happened rather then some nonsense about a muslim take over or white genocide, are going to be stopped from happening in china, then you are misguided. such behaviour from the chinese is likely to cause such attacks in backclash.


    You don't get out from such camps. Not alive anyway.


  • #85
    BlackandGreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭BlackandGreen


    Lets not forget what they're doing to Hong Kong. Sabbotaging it from the inside, corrupting their industry and government.

    The recent protests shows just how angry Hong Kongers. Unfortunately their outrage was only met with condemnation and finger wagging from armchair internet commenters.
    Their entire culture and identity is being destroyed.

    Last weeks destructive protests were met with heavy handed police tactics and many of the police involved reportedly couldn't even speak native Cantonese or English which the majority of Hong Kongers are fluent in, most were not displaying I.D badges and were clearly very inexperienced and jittery. Bussed in across the border from Shenzhen no doubt.

    It breaks my heart because Hong Kong is a gem of a city. It's the strangest city in terms of just how diverse it is. It's a melting pot of culture and so much to experience there and so safe/pleasant.


  • #86
    BlackandGreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭BlackandGreen


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c


  • #87
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,175 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    It shows how racist the Left really are deep down.

    They don't care about non whites in Asia.

    really? the left as a whole are racist and don't care about non-whites in asia? that's interesting, presumably the right as a whole are completely non-racist and are doing anything and everything to solve the world's problems including for non-whites all over the world?



    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    You don't get out from such camps. Not alive anyway.


    some do, but i would agree a lot, probably most, certainly are unlikely to do so.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #88
    beejee
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    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    This reads like a 19C nationalistic rant - circa the great game. A modern yellow peril.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril

    Funny how that was used as a colonialist excuse back then, and here you are using it as a waiver for a country with aggressive colonialist ambitions (realised and in the pipeline).

    But it's "nationalist", therefore dirty and excusable :p


  • #89
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    beejee wrote: »
    Funny how that was used as a colonialist excuse back then, and here you are using it as a waiver for a country with aggressive colonialist ambitions (realised and in the pipeline).

    But it's "nationalist", therefore dirty and excusable :p

    No just not America
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  • #90
    beejee
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    Gatling wrote: »
    No just not America

    I don't follow


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  • #91
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    beejee wrote: »
    I don't follow

    China , russia ,iran , Pakistan

    Do bad **** it's fine .

    America do something and it's America did this and America did that ,trump is doing this and trump is doing that.

    China, Russia, Iran, Pakistan or several other basket case states carry out atrocities and all we get some how its America's fault
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  • #92
    beejee
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    Gatling wrote: »
    China , russia ,iran , Pakistan

    Do bad **** it's fine .

    America do something and it's America did this and America did that ,trump is doing this and trump is doing that.

    China, Russia, Iran, Pakistan or several other basket case states carry out atrocities and all we get some how its America's fault

    Predictable. It's that ideology that's so full of contradictions it beggars belief.

    Not that America is some shining example, but equating the likes of "I grabbed pussy" to dissecting people without anaesthesia is typically bonkers.

    I still think it's some kind of mental deficiency to believe that kind of stuff, or to willingly ignore the obvious. Brainwashing? Who knows, but there's something wrong there, that's for sure.


  • #93
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,813 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Gatling wrote: »
    China , russia ,iran , Pakistan

    Do bad **** it's fine .

    America do something and it's America did this and America did that ,trump is doing this and trump is doing that.

    China, Russia, Iran, Pakistan or several other basket case states carry out atrocities and all we get some how its America's fault

    The Yanks go round like their shiit dont stink though, and warmonger on a global scale. Most of the others are already called out internationally for what they do, often even by the Americans (except of course for Pak) but no one can do anything about it.


  • #94
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    BlackandGreen wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c


    I don't think that is the dirty reality.


  • #95
    Gatling
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    The Yanks go round like their shiit dont stink though, and warmonger on a global scale. Most of the others are already called out internationally for what they do, often even by the Americans (except of course for Pak) but no one can do anything about it.

    But "we" all know there **** stinks ,but what irkes me is ohh it's fine if russia did this , remember the gulf of Tonkin incident ,it's absolutely silly .

    How many threads have posted on boards revolve around America did this , America did that ,

    I'm not pro America ,not pro Israel not a big fan of the UK France or Germany either but we can never have a balanced discussion on any situation around the globe without a small group of posters constantly ranting but America did this , America did that ,but wait were not talking about America but but but
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  • #96
    circadian
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    Pkiernan wrote: »
    It shows how racist the Left really are deep down.

    They don't care about non whites in Asia.

    Uh. No. Ummm. That's not how how any of this works. **** I don't even know where to begin to unpack this nonsense.


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  • #97
    BlackandGreen
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I don't think that is the dirty reality.


    Of course it is. It's all a big show for the camera's. But in reality it's often worse than prison. I'm quite left wing, and I am very critical of China and more concerned about world happenings like this opposed to the stupid crap here like the moral panic of fúckin gender neutral uniforms or whatever the fúck.

    Anyway. Whats amazing is this is how its come after decades of civil unrest, riots, mass crack downs, and military action. Mostly never made western newsheadlines because why would we care shurr?
    This week it was reported a renowned Uighur poet and writer died in one of the internment camps. They're in the process of killing of their educated and scholars. Genocide essentially.

    If china wants something, it takes it ruthlessly. The Brits handover was a death sentence. China was joyfully waiting for this day as they wanted to aquire the billions the economic powerhouse of Hong Kong was generating.

    Their current regime is parasitic.
    Every single one of their bordering neighbors are being harrassed to some degree aside from perhaps Russia and North Korea.
    Their sea/islandery crusades are pathetic and destructive too.
    Their African crusade is going to cause a whole lot of messed up issues to go down in the continent.

    Their essentially gone full imperialism mode.

    And dont get me started on their communism spiel. I'm not communist/socialist but you'd have to just be ignorant not to acknowledge they're the furthest thing from the ideology. It's a masquerade. They're a totalitarian regime corrupt by capitalism and consumerism .

    Conflict seems only to be escalating. Going to be an interesting time to come.


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    Franz Von Peppercorn II
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    BlackandGreen wrote: »
    Of course it is. It's all a big show for the camera's. But in reality it's often worse than prison. I'm quite left wing, and I am very critical of China and more concerned about world happenings like this opposed to the stupid crap here like the moral panic of fúckin gender neutral uniforms or whatever the fúck.

    Anyway. Whats amazing is this is how its come after decades of civil unrest, riots, mass crack downs, and military action. Mostly never made western newsheadlines because why would we care shurr?
    This week it was reported a renowned Uighur poet and writer died in one of the internment camps. They're in the process of killing of their educated and scholars. Genocide essentially.

    If china wants something, it takes it ruthlessly. The Brits handover was a death sentence. China was joyfully waiting for this day as they wanted to aquire the billions the economic powerhouse of Hong Kong was generating.

    Their current regime is parasitic.
    Every single one of their bordering neighbors are being harrassed to some degree aside from perhaps Russia and North Korea.
    Their sea/islandery crusades are pathetic and destructive too.
    Their African crusade is going to cause a whole lot of messed up issues to go down in the continent.

    Their essentially gone full imperialism mode.

    And dont get me started on their communism spiel. I'm not communist/socialist but you'd have to just be ignorant not to acknowledge they're the furthest thing from the ideology. It's a masquerade. They're a totalitarian regime corrupt by capitalism and consumerism .

    Conflict seems only to be escalating. Going to be an interesting time to come.

    God almighty. If there a yellow peril website for this nonsense.

    On the African front if Africans didn’t want chinese investment they wouldn’t have it. China is flexing its muscles but unlike the US it doesn’t claim interests ten thousand miles away.

    If China becomes a big power then Europe, as part of Eurasia, needs to plug into that rather than the decaying corpse of the American empire.

    The recent rise of anti Chinese sentiment amongst the alt right npcs indicates some shift on the neo con/alt right ideologues, probably because China and Iran are becoming close.


  • #99
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
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    Gatling wrote: »
    China , russia ,iran , Pakistan

    Do bad **** it's fine .

    America do something and it's America did this and America did that ,trump is doing this and trump is doing that.

    China, Russia, Iran, Pakistan or several other basket case states carry out atrocities and all we get some how its America's fault

    Because the United States is a fcuking empire. You guys might have a point about chinese imperialism if they were threatening Iran for existing thousands of miles away. China doesn’t have a blue water navy. It’s not an empire.

    Unlike the US it isn’t hostile to Westen culture either. Different, but not hostile.


  • #100
    Richard Hillman
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    Pkiernan wrote: »
    It shows how racist the Left really are deep down.

    They don't care about non whites in Asia.

    It's a case of Bigotry of Low Expectations. When Europe, The US, Russia and even Israel do anything questionable they up in arms.

    If you have darker skin, nothing, because they expect them to act like savages.

    Deep down, these anti racist folk are the most racist people around. They act completely different around anybody non white because they are naturally uncomfortable around people who don't look like themselves.


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    A paltry two mentions of Tibet in this thread, and not one in the op or first page.

    Last time I was walking across Tiananmen Square the whole place had this remarkably eerie silence; I could feel I was being watched. However, when I got near the top of it, in the middle of the Square was a massive video screen. On it were loads of happy Chinese people getting on a train and moving to Tibet. The video showed all this Chinese technology being brought there and Chinese people thriving especially with the new agricultural equipment. The entire propaganda video was designed to encourage Chinese people to move to Tibet as colonisers.

    When I was a kid, Tibet was always in the news. Every child in Ireland knew about it. The 'Free Tibet' movement in Ireland was up there with the Anti-Apartheid movement in terms of profile. In hindsight, one would wonder did the US partly fund it because when the Cold War ended and China moved to capitalism, it's as if the entire media and political class had a consensus to forget Tibet, and other Chinese crimes such as the Uighur camps today, because they would undermine any possible Irish trade with China. Tibet is a case of classical settler-colonialism, 17th-century Ireland style, with the Han Chinese given superior rights to the Tibetan natives.

    There's also a great savagery in China towards their own poor, highlighted in recent years by the cases brought by 'petitioners' to Beijing and the horrors that happen to them. Working conditions are generally abysmal and the nouveau riche there are a sight to behold. And by 'nouveau riche' I include my car driver who seemed to positively detest every single Chinese person who hadn't a car/was on a bike. There's a great running away from very many aspects of their own culture which are viewed as "backward". They were even knocking down enormous, older parts of Beijing for a while at the request of property developers.


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