Why I am not a feminist and don't believe in 'equality'.

jimgoose · 21-06-2019 3:03pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

OH GOOD LORD.

IF ANYONE NEEDS A SHOT OF ESTROGEN!

She has the manners of a dog.

You're dead right, she is a terrible brute in all fairness. :pac:

SusieBlue · 21-06-2019 3:04pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

OH GOOD LORD.

IF ANYONE NEEDS A SHOT OF ESTROGEN!

She has the manners of a dog.

You are talking about masculine and feminine personality traits, not feminism. The thread title is misleading as feminism isn't what's being discussed here.

baaba maal · 21-06-2019 3:04pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Self expression.

A wish to share. A wish to engage in a non adversarial way.

Haven't you noticed? All we do is argue ARGUE today online.

Sorry, engaging in a non-adversarial way? you have made a statement but seem to claim that anything countering it is an argument and therefore not something you want to engage with.

So (and this is a genuine question), can I disagree with your statement without you claiming it is an argument? What are your terms for engagement?

If you want to share a personal philosophy but don't wish to debate it you might take out a billboard ad- this is, as you are aware, an online forum.

21-06-2019 3:05pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

feminism is like trade unionism - still valid but has become a sad caricature of itself.

I think it's important to point out that there's a different between the concept of feminism and how it's expressed or interpreted.

Feminism (according to The Internet), is "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes."

How people express that, or interpret that, or how particular activist groups act, does not represent 'feminism'.

ILoveYourVibes, if you don't think men and women are the same, that doesn't mean you're not a feminist. The two things are not directly linked.

Glass fused light · 21-06-2019 3:06pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Well I wasn't around in the 80s so i cannot say.

If we don't want to roll back etc ..its not to say we are entirely happy with where we have ended up though.

Do you have the knowledge of the event and the date of how and when women gained personal autonomy in Ireland?

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:06pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I don't think you did. You don't even really understand what feminism is.

No I really did promise you. And i wasn't writing it disagreeing with it.
And my lecturer thought it was so good he uses it in his lecture notes he hands out to students now.
Just know there are philosophy students RIGHT NOW reading notes on feminist epistemology by ME. Someone who didn't believe a WORD of what they were writing. But i needed the grade.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:06pm

Glass fused light wrote: »

Do you have the knowledge of the event and the date of how and when women gained personal autonomy in Ireland?

Yes. That is such a vague statement though. It could mean anything.

Stheno · 21-06-2019 3:07pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No I really did promise you. And i wasn't writing it disagreeing with it.
And my lecturer thought it was so good he uses it in his lecture notes he hands out to students now.
Just know there are philosophy students RIGHT NOW reading notes on feminist epistemology by ME. Someone who didn't believe a WORD of what they were writing. But i needed the grade.

Proof that standards in colleges here have indeed dropped :pac:

Glass fused light · 21-06-2019 3:08pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes.

Great tell us then.

Dial Hard · 21-06-2019 3:08pm

Vincent van Gogh wrote: »

Or an egalitarian.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This is it

But you don't "believe in 'equality'"???

Stheno · 21-06-2019 3:08pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes. That is such a vague statement though. It could mean anything.

When was the date and what was the event then?

Hedgelayer · 21-06-2019 3:09pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

These are all personality traits and have nothing to do with being a feminist. Jesus wept.

But yet femminism is a personality trait, Jesus wept again, nice try though....
Femminists use their personalities to get their message across...

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:09pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

You are talking about masculine and feminine personality traits, not feminism. The thread title is misleading as feminism isn't what's being discussed here.

I would ask you to be understanding and fluid with the rules.

amcalester · 21-06-2019 3:10pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I don't think you did. You don't even really understand what feminism is.

She didn't say it was a good thesis.

Edited: Yes she did

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:10pm

Stheno wrote: »

When was the date and what was the event then?

Define personal autonomy?

Is it really even possible?

Glass fused light · 21-06-2019 3:11pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes. That is such a vague statement though. It could mean anything.

Quick edit there.

No there are 2 specific dated when women were awarded personal specific freedoms.

Stheno · 21-06-2019 3:11pm

amcalester wrote: »

She didn't say it was a good thesis.

She claimed her lecturer now uses the content to teach other students?

SusieBlue · 21-06-2019 3:11pm

Hedgelayer wrote: »

But yet femminism is a personality trait, Jesus wept again, nice try though....
Femminists use their personalities to get their message across...

Feminism is NOT a personality trait. You are describing someone who sounds like a bit of an assh*le and blaming the fact that they are a feminist on those behaviours.

Femininity and Feminism are two completely different things. I can't believe I even need to explain this.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:12pm

amcalester wrote: »

She didn't say it was a good thesis.

It was a bloody good thesis. I got a first.

I probably inspired feminists for years.

Karma they are all going to hate me now!

Glass fused light · 21-06-2019 3:13pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Define personal autonomy?

Is it really even possible?

Yes it is.
Chattel to full citizen

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:13pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Femininity and Feminism are two completely different things. I can't believe I even need to explain this.

EXACTLY THANK YOU!

Womanhood and feminism are very different too. And they don't always help each other.

joe40 · 21-06-2019 3:14pm

This talk of feminine traits and masculine traits is very simplistic. There is as much variation within the genders as there are between the genders.
Massive amount of overlap for individuals.

meeeeh · 21-06-2019 3:14pm

Should 'attention seeking' go under femininity or masculinity?

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:15pm

Glass fused light wrote: »

Yes it is.
Chattel to full citizen

Does a full citizen enjoy full personal autonomy in this country?

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:15pm

meeeeh wrote: »

Should 'attention seeking' go under femininity or masculinity?

Femininity definitely.

SusieBlue · 21-06-2019 3:16pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

EXACTLY THANK YOU!

Womanhood and feminism are very different too. And they don't always help each other.

If you are understanding the difference, why are you discussing feminine traits under the umbrella of not being a feminist?

You are talking about being kind and meek, what has that got to do with feminism?

And why did you start a thread about feminism if its actually feminine/masculine traits you want to discuss?

I'm starting to think you are being deliberately obtuse.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:17pm

joe40 wrote: »

This talk of feminine traits and masculine traits is very simplistic. There is as much variation within the genders as there are between the genders.
Massive amount of overlap for individuals.

True.

I am not excluding other genders.

However (and you don't have to agree with it) i do think there are some basic truths about feminine and masculine traits for most people not all maybe.

That is just life experience.

Hedgelayer · 21-06-2019 3:17pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Feminism is NOT a personality trait. You are describing someone who sounds like a bit of an assh*le and blaming the fact that they are a feminist on those behaviours.

Femininity and Feminism are two completely different things. I can't believe I even need to explain this.

And satan chuckled.

Feminism is like spirituality, all over the place and alacarte....

Take your pick today, what will it be ?

MoashoaM · 21-06-2019 3:18pm

Stheno wrote: »

When was the date and what was the event then?

Did 1 event achieve education rights, equal wages, abortion rights, Voting rights and land owning rights?

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:18pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

If you are understanding the difference, why are you discussing feminine traits under the umbrella of not being a feminist?

You are talking about being kind and meek, what has that got to do with feminism?

And why did you start a thread about feminism if its actually feminine/masculine traits you want to discuss?

I'm starting to think you are being deliberately obtuse.

Feminism does not value feminine traits. It devalues them.

I am not I am actually trying ever so hard to be nice and ...breezy

It is feminism i wish to discuss.

I do wish you could stop being so linear about it though.

jam_mac_jam · 21-06-2019 3:19pm

You don't understand what feminism means, you are describing traits as feminine and masculine, which aren't, they may be perceived as such but its really so broad that it becomes meaningless. You are talking about femininity not feminism.

Describing a male mistake earlier, what does that even mean?

Glass fused light · 21-06-2019 3:21pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Does a full citizen enjoy full personal autonomy in this country?

Citizens only enjoy the personal autonomy given to them with in the confines of the legal framework of Ireland.

Do you have the knowledge of the event and the date of how and when women gained personal autonomy in Ireland?

Hint that the Irish state recognised that women were not treated as equal within the legal framework.

Fizzlesque · 21-06-2019 3:22pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

We are too different to be equal.

Can you elaborate on this part of your post please?

Perhaps I am reading you incorrectly but when I was growing up in the seventies and eighties, a nasty concept pervaded many parts of women's lives and that concept was that women are not equal to men because they were not as capable as men.

When someone says they don't believe men and women are equal, what I hear is that they believe men are superior - which leaves women the unenviable spot of being inferior.

To me, being equal does not mean being identical. We don't have to be the same to be equal.

It took me many years to learn that I am every bit as capable as the four brothers I grew up with. We are not the same in lots of way, but we are absolutely equal. I didn't even have to forfeit my femininity and kindness in the process of that self-discovery. And I thank the feminists that went before me for the hard graft they put in to change that nasty state of affairs that existed for women in the early days of their fight.

I hope I misunderstood you and that horrible old outlook isn't making a comeback.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:22pm

MoashoaM wrote: »

Did 1 event achieve education rights, equal wages, abortion rights, Voting rights and land owning rights?

No ONE event did all that.

I certainly don't think it was feminism that achieved abortion rights.

IN FACT I SPIT ON FEMINISMS ACHIEVEMENT ON ABORTION RIGHTS IT WAS PATHETIC>

What achieved abortions right sin this country was the tragic DEATH of a woman that never should have happened and the GENUINE out pouring of emotion and compassion without shame.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING. We should have been having discussions on shame ..feelings ..human stories.

It took a tragic event for like that for 'feminist' organizations to cop on.

Flush the academic crap down the toilet imo. Flush my thesis too.

All that crap is written by people like me nowadays.

I don't believe it was feminism that made abortion possible. It was compassion. I think feminism was cowardly about the whole thing for decades.

SusieBlue · 21-06-2019 3:23pm

Hedgelayer wrote: »

And satan chuckled.

Feminism is like spirituality, all over the place and alacarte....

Take your pick today, what will it be ?

What are you even talking about? Satan? Spirituality?

The person you referred to previously was an assh*ole because she was an assh*ole. Not because you claim she is a feminist.
If you can't understand that then I can't help you.

meeeeh · 21-06-2019 3:24pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Femininity definitely.

Could you clear up something else for me? Is troll thread still a troll thread if op contributes about 75% of posts? Or is it just attention seeking?

SusieBlue · 21-06-2019 3:25pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No ONE event did all that.

I certainly don't think it was feminism that achieved abortion rights.

IN FACT I SPIT ON FEMINISMS ACHIEVEMENT ON ABORTION RIGHTS IT WAS PATHETIC>

What achieved abortions right sin this country was the tragic DEATH of a woman that never should have happened and the GENUINE out pouring of emotion and compassion without shame.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING. We should have been having discussions on shame ..feelings ..human stories.

It took a tragic event for like that for 'feminist' organizations to cop on.

Flush the academic crap down the toilet imo. Flush my thesis too.

All that crap is written by people like me nowadays.

I don't believe it was feminism that made abortion possible. It was compassion. I think feminism was cowardly about the whole thing for decades.

You don't have a clue.

Fr_Dougal · 21-06-2019 3:25pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No ONE event did all that.

I certainly don't think it was feminism that achieved abortion rights.

IN FACT I SPIT ON FEMINISMS ACHIEVEMENT ON ABORTION RIGHTS IT WAS PATHETIC>

What achieved abortions right sin this country was the tragic DEATH of a woman that never should have happened and the GENUINE out pouring of emotion and compassion without shame.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING. We should have been having discussions on shame ..feelings ..human stories.

It took a tragic event for like that for 'feminist' organizations to cop on.

Flush the academic crap down the toilet imo. Flush my thesis too.

All that crap is written by people like me nowadays.

I don't believe it was feminism that made abortion possible. It was compassion. I think feminism was cowardly about the whole thing for decades.

I agree.

21-06-2019 3:25pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I certainly don't think it was feminism that achieved abortion rights.

IN FACT I SPIT ON FEMINISMS ACHIEVEMENT ON ABORTION RIGHTS IT WAS PATHETIC>

Not all feminists wanted abortion rights to be granted.

More proof that you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:25pm

Fizzlesque wrote: »

Can you elaborate on this part of your post please?

Perhaps I am reading you incorrectly but when I was growing up in the seventies and eighties, a nasty concept pervaded many parts of women's lives and that concept was that women are not equal to men because they were not as capable as men.

When someone says they don't believe men and women aren't equal, what I hear is that they believe men are superior - which leaves women the unenviable spot of being inferior.

To me, being equal does not mean being identical. We don't have to be the same to be equal.

It took me many years to learn that I am every bit as capable as the four brothers I grew up with. We are not the same in lots of way, but we are absolutely equal. I didn't even have to forfeit my femininity and kindness in the process of that self-discovery. And I thank the feminists that went before me for the hard graft they put in to change that nasty state of affairs that existed for women in the early days of their fight.

I hope I misunderstood you and that horrible old outlook isn't making a comeback.

We are better and worse at some things???

Oh don't worry nothing is making a comeback. I am entirely original and no one agrees with me.

To be honest I value women more. I think our personality traits (as I see them ) have more value in the world.

Compassion is what builds world peace.

Men just do war.

Sky King · 21-06-2019 3:26pm

It's hip to be a feminist now. Right Blindboy?

- Right.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:26pm

true-or-false wrote: »

Not all feminists wanted abortion rights to be granted.

More proof that you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Or more proof that i do!??

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 3:27pm

Sky King wrote: »

It's hip to be a feminist now. Right Blindboy?

- Right.

I am not cool enough to know what that is all about.

The rubber bandits??

Let women not rule the world ..but nurture it ...subdue it ...and bring world peace.

And while we are at it we need to dump the ideologies.

Just be human.

And we need to watch HOW we treat and speak to each other. No more milkshakes!

Silentcorner · 21-06-2019 3:27pm

Fizzlesque wrote: »

Can you elaborate on this part of your post please?

Perhaps I am reading you incorrectly but when I was growing up in the seventies and eighties, a nasty concept pervaded many parts of women's lives and that concept was that women are not equal to men because they were not as capable as men.

When someone says they don't believe men and women aren't equal, what I hear is that they believe men are superior - which leaves women the unenviable spot of being inferior.

To me, being equal does not mean being identical. We don't have to be the same to be equal.

It took me many years to learn that I am every bit as capable as the four brothers I grew up with. We are not the same in lots of way, but we are absolutely equal. I didn't even have to forfeit my femininity and kindness in the process of that self-discovery. And I thank the feminists that went before me for the hard graft they put in to change that nasty state of affairs that existed for women in the early days of their fight.

I hope I misunderstood you and that horrible old outlook isn't making a comeback.

When I was growing up in the 80s there was and still is a nasty belief that girls are smarter than boys, this was repeated to my class over the years, it is a horrible thing to be telling young boys...or that girls mature faster than boys...which is ridiculous, boys mature differently than girls, like girls capabilities are different to boys...

I have never seen a more repugnant message that what our young men are receiving these days...

Fizzlesque · 21-06-2019 3:28pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

We are better and worse at some things???

Oh don't worry nothing is making a comeback. I am entirely original and no one agrees with me.

To be honest I value women more. I think our personality traits (as I see them ) have more value in the world.

Compassion is what builds world peace.

Men just do war.

Ah, so when you say you don't think men and women are equal, you think it's the women that are superior.

Hedgelayer · 21-06-2019 3:28pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No ONE event did all that.

I certainly don't think it was feminism that achieved abortion rights.

IN FACT I SPIT ON FEMINISMS ACHIEVEMENT ON ABORTION RIGHTS IT WAS PATHETIC>

What achieved abortions right sin this country was the tragic DEATH of a woman that never should have happened and the GENUINE out pouring of emotion and compassion without shame.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING. We should have been having discussions on shame ..feelings ..human stories.

It took a tragic event for like that for 'feminist' organizations to cop on.

Flush the academic crap down the toilet imo. Flush my thesis too.

All that crap is written by people like me nowadays.

I don't believe it was feminism that made abortion possible. It was compassion. I think feminism was cowardly about the whole thing for decades.

Exactly, and when you say femmimisn undermines women you're right.
I know a few recovering femminists and they look back at how their version of third wave feminism ruined their chance's of having a loving relationship and they woke up to the fact that femmimisn is another movement like religion or socialism.

Is there a such thing as a moderate femminst ?

Most straight guy's I know run a mile from femminists, unless they're cucks.

Thats another story

Silentcorner · 21-06-2019 3:29pm

Fizzlesque wrote: »

Ah, so when you say you don't think men and women are equal, you think it's the women that are superior.

Well, women do benefit more from our educational system, and our health system, and our judicial system....

Calina · 21-06-2019 3:29pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Feminism does not value feminine traits. It devalues them.

.

You really do not have a clue that ever was.

looksee · 21-06-2019 3:30pm

RIP the English language. This is what happens when everyone feels free to use words to mean what they want them to mean. And when students are not permitted to engage in proper debate in University in case someone might be offended.

jimgoose · 21-06-2019 3:30pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

...Men just do war.

We do tend to be fans of cutting the shit, overwhelming, mind-boggling force, Teddy Roosevelt's Big Stick - it can be the safest way. The sword that is not drawn is the true sword.

Why I am not a feminist and don't believe in 'equality'.

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