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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • #4702
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,881 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    cannco253 wrote: »
    Can anyone replace a Tesla battery outside of warranty, or is it only Tesla who can do it? I presume the cost would be prohibitive.

    Talk to Rich Rebuilds :)

    The actual mechanics of changing the battery are relatively simple, although you do need to lift the car and maneuver a battery pack weighing several hundred kilogrammes. So if you have any mechanic friends then it might be feasible

    Financially speaking, it's not worthwhile as the car will essentially be worthless afterwards. It's a bit like seeing a BMW that someone swapped in a bigger engine, you wouldn't be paying full price for it as it's been modified and possibly screwed up in the process

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  • #4703
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
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    the_amazing_raisin wrote: »
    Financially speaking, it's not worthwhile as the car will essentially be worthless afterwards. It's a bit like seeing a BMW that someone swapped in a bigger engine, you wouldn't be paying full price for it as it's been modified and possibly screwed up in the process

    Not sure where you are getting that from? In a Model S there are a number of modules i.e. 17. You can easily enough find which one has issues and just replace it with another one. Zero modification there. These modules sell for around $1k on eBay.

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  • #4704
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Silent Running wrote: »
    Under offer. That was never going to hang around.
    Agreed.
    It's so cheap that even with VAT, VRT, Duty it makes it a bargain here.


  • #4705
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,881 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    unkel wrote: »
    Not sure where you are getting that from? In a Model S there are a number of modules i.e. 17. You can easily enough find which one has issues and just replace it with another one. Zero modification there. These modules sell for around $1k on eBay.

    I meant around resale value, I think people are generally suspicious of a car which has had significant changes, especially when they're out of warranty

    I think there's a bit of a myth out there that EV owners can swap in a new battery, or even a bigger battery, and it'll improve the resale value of their car. It's something you'll often hear from certain companies selling battery swaps

    To be clear, I think battery swapping is a good idea for giving old cars a new lease of life and you can reuse the old pack for Solar batteries.

    But I don't think anyone has actually made a profit by doing this

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  • #4706
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
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    the_amazing_raisin wrote: »
    I meant around resale value, I think people are generally suspicious of a car which has had significant changes, especially when they're out of warranty

    I think there's a bit of a myth out there that EV owners can swap in a new battery, or even a bigger battery, and it'll improve the resale value of their car.

    Your mixing up a lot of things there. Swapping out a Tesla battery module for an identical other one is not a modification of any sort. It's the same as replacing an EGR valve in your diesel, it's just a repair

    Agreed that people upgrading the battery in their knackered battery Nissan Leaf with a bigger one are having a major modification done which needs to be declared to the insurance company and they are not adding much value to the car. Totally different scenario

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  • #4707
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    the_amazing_raisin wrote: »
    I meant around resale value, I think people are generally suspicious of a car which has had significant changes, especially when they're out of warranty

    I think there's a bit of a myth out there that EV owners can swap in a new battery, or even a bigger battery, and it'll improve the resale value of their car. It's something you'll often hear from certain companies selling battery swaps

    To be clear, I think battery swapping is a good idea for giving old cars a new lease of life and you can reuse the old pack for Solar batteries.

    But I don't think anyone has actually made a profit by doing this


    This myth is perpetuated by one moron that speaks at the IEVOA meetings. He's advising people not to declare battery mods (eg 24-40kWh leaf) to their insurance.


  • #4708
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,881 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    unkel wrote: »
    Your mixing up a lot of things there. Swapping out a Tesla battery module for an identical other one is not a modification of any sort. It's the same as replacing an EGR valve in your diesel, it's just a repair

    Agreed that people upgrading the battery in their knackered battery Nissan Leaf with a bigger one are having a major modification done which needs to be declared to the insurance company and they are not adding much value to the car. Totally different scenario

    True, but it's pretty well known that Tesla don't sell their battery packs to independent repair shops, so any replacement done by an indy will be using a salvaged pack

    Again, no problem with this per se, but I don't think you'd see the resale value go up so even stay where it is

    Think of it this way, say you bought a Model S 75 with a severely depleted battery for €20k, and somehow you found a newer battery in good condition and got it replaced for €5k

    So you've spent €25k, and a used Model S seems to be going for over €30k, so in theory you can sell that car for a profit. But I think when people see the battery has been swapped out of warranty and the new pack is salvaged from another car, they won't be happy paying €30k for that car

    Now if you're looking to keep the car, then it might work out well because you get a good range Tesla at a discount. But as I said, I just don't see people making money off of it

    Note: I pulled most of those numbers out of thin air, not saying those a representative costs :)

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  • #4709
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    ELM327 wrote: »
    This myth is perpetuated by one moron that speaks at the IEVOA meetings. He's advising people not to declare battery mods (eg 24-40kWh leaf) to their insurance.

    The same fella claiming that he's not in it for the money but charging €7-8k for upgrades?


  • #4710
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,881 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    ELM327 wrote: »
    This myth is perpetuated by one moron that speaks at the IEVOA meetings. He's advising people not to declare battery mods (eg 24-40kWh leaf) to their insurance.

    It's the modern day snake oil :rolleyes:

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  • #4711
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    the_amazing_raisin wrote: »
    It's the modern day snake oil :rolleyes:

    Similar to the regular claims that e-scooters are in a legally grey area


  • #4712
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    The same fella claiming that he's not in it for the money but charging €7-8k for upgrades?
    That's the chap.


  • #4713
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
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    the_amazing_raisin wrote: »
    True, but it's pretty well known that Tesla don't sell their battery packs to independent repair shops, so any replacement done by an indy will be using a salvaged pack

    Yep. Exactly the same as any replacement done by Tesla themselves will be a salvaged / refurbished pack ;)

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  • #4714
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,782 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    the_amazing_raisin wrote: »
    True, but it's pretty well known that Tesla don't sell their battery packs to independent repair shops, so any replacement done by an indy will be using a salvaged pack

    Again, no problem with this per se, but I don't think you'd see the resale value go up so even stay where it is

    Think of it this way, say you bought a Model S 75 with a severely depleted battery for €20k, and somehow you found a newer battery in good condition and got it replaced for €5k

    So you've spent €25k, and a used Model S seems to be going for over €30k, so in theory you can sell that car for a profit. But I think when people see the battery has been swapped out of warranty and the new pack is salvaged from another car, they won't be happy paying €30k for that car

    Now if you're looking to keep the car, then it might work out well because you get a good range Tesla at a discount. But as I said, I just don't see people making money off of it

    Note: I pulled most of those numbers out of thin air, not saying those a representative costs :)

    So much wrong with your posts.
    Are you aware that Tesla themselves replace batteries with salvaged batteries?

    I don’t think people will be looking to make money from replacements.
    I got my EGR replaced on the 520d last year. I wouldn’t expect that car to increase in value now

    Same situation.


  • #4715
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,881 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Gumbo wrote: »
    So much wrong with your posts.
    Are you aware that Tesla themselves replace batteries with salvaged batteries?

    True but they come with a warranty
    I don’t think people will be looking to make money from replacements.
    I got my EGR replaced on the 520d last year. I wouldn’t expect that car to increase in value now

    Same situation.

    You'd be surprised, I've spoken to folks who replaced tyres on cars and thought that would improve the resale value

    I guess what I'm trying to say is there's a difference in how people see a replacement part coming from the manufacturer and installed by a manufacturer approved service center, and a part which came from a breakers yard and installed by Jim from down the road who knows about cars

    I think if a lot of people saw the latter they'd consider the car to be lower value than the former

    The original question was about an independent battery swap, not about a Tesla replacement, and whether they were cost effective

    Personally I just can't see how it works out unless you get the parts at significant discount

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  • #4716
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
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    the_amazing_raisin wrote: »
    True but they come with a warranty

    Any repair on any car by any garage on any non-consumable item comes with a warranty.

    You're really clutching at straws here :)

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  • #4717
    Irishder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 928 ✭✭✭Irishder


    Seriously considering this as a second car:

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-2013-24kw-solar-panel/27521203


    what are peoples thoughts?


  • #4718
    Gregory Colossal Scam
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Gregory Colossal Scam


    Irishder wrote: »
    Seriously considering this as a second car:

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-2013-24kw-solar-panel/27521203


    what are peoples thoughts?

    impossible to charge from home. pretty big problem I'd have said?


  • #4719
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,881 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Irishder wrote: »
    Seriously considering this as a second car:

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-2013-24thought's-panel/27521203


    what are peoples thoughts?

    I think we've seen that one before or something similar

    No AC charging so unless you're happy to hear down to the local Chademo every couple of days it's not exactly convenient.

    Judging from the range the seller is quoting it'll be around 11/12 bars of battery health. Most Leafs around that level seem to be going for around €6k

    Might be worth ringing up the Nissan garage and checking the replacement cost of the on board charger. If it's less than €1500 then you can land yourself a decent second car at €1000 below the market rate

    It might be worth asking the seller if he got it checked by Nissan, he might already have a diagnostic report and repair cost

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  • #4720
    Irishder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 928 ✭✭✭Irishder


    Thanks for the reply's, didn't realize you couldn't charge it at home. The search continues


  • #4721
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,782 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Irishder wrote: »
    Thanks for the reply's, didn't realize you couldn't charge it at home. The search continues

    It’s worth noting that these can normally charge at home. This particular car has an issue that needs to be fixed. Maybe the OBC.

    So don’t rule out a similar car if it pops up.


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  • #4722
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,881 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    NI Leaf40 for €16.5k

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/stunning-nissan-leaf/28090918

    I think that's the base spec (SV???) so no propilot, but it's got all the basics

    You'd be taking the risk on import, but if it's NI registered pre Brexit, like the ad describes, then you should be able to dodge VAT and customs tax, and VRT should be 0 anyway

    Possibly a bargain

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  • #4723
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Irishder wrote: »
    Seriously considering this as a second car:

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-2013-24kw-solar-panel/27521203


    what are peoples thoughts?

    Its for sale a while and will likely be difficult to move for that seller given the AC fault it has.

    If you're up for a challenge, give them a low ball offer and get the charger fixed. At least one other has managed that on the forum for €1500 or so.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112322816&postcount=72


  • #4724
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
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    I considered that Leaf, in fact I would still consider it, if I hadn't been sorted for a cheap EV already last weekend. But only if the car would be in the region of €2k and only because I live round the corner from a CHAdeMO charger that is never / rarely used

    For the price of €3.6k (and even a bit less), I have seen fully working Leafs before and I will see them again

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  • #4725
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    the_amazing_raisin wrote: »
    NI Leaf40 for €16.5k

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/stunning-nissan-leaf/28090918

    I think that's the base spec (SV???) so no propilot, but it's got all the basics

    You'd be taking the risk on import, but if it's NI registered pre Brexit, like the ad describes, then you should be able to dodge VAT and customs tax, and VRT should be 0 anyway

    Possibly a bargain

    140,000km on a car that's recently turned 3.
    That's serious mileage. And we were locked down for 1 of those years.

    2 previous owners too for a car of 3yrs.


  • #4726
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    the_amazing_raisin wrote: »
    NI Leaf40 for €16.5k

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/stunning-nissan-leaf/28090918

    I think that's the base spec (SV???) so no propilot, but it's got all the basics

    You'd be taking the risk on import, but if it's NI registered pre Brexit, like the ad describes, then you should be able to dodge VAT and customs tax, and VRT should be 0 anyway

    Possibly a bargain

    Would want to Leafspy that battery for sure, with that mileage and free public charging up North could have been rapid charged to death.


  • #4727
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,881 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    slave1 wrote: »
    Would want to Leafspy that battery for sure, with that mileage and free public charging up North could have been rapid charged to death.

    For sure, although you'd be looking at about 200km per day which is achievable without rapid charging

    My main concern would be that you've only got about 20,000km left on the battery warranty, you could easily use that up in a year or two

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  • #4728
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    slave1 wrote: »
    Would want to Leafspy that battery for sure, with that mileage and free public charging up North could have been rapid charged to death.

    Visit the NI EV Facebook page and you'd nearly believe there's not a single working fcp up there. Probably not too far wrong either. Limited network for free and everyone trying to use it. You'd probably just rather pay for charging at home.


  • #4729
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Visit the NI EV Facebook page and you'd nearly believe there's not a single working fcp up there. Probably not too far wrong either. Limited network for free and everyone trying to use it. You'd probably just rather pay for charging at home.

    Black spots for sure but if you happen to be by a dependable CHAdeMO then you're away with it


  • #4730
    Alun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,487 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Was just looking at a 161 Leaf, SV 30kWh Cold Pack in white, with around 100k on the clock. Photo of display shows a full 12 bars, which is surprising, but what kind of range would you be looking at on a car like that? And what kind of price would be acceptable? Looks like a pretty clean car otherwise.


  • #4731
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Alun wrote: »
    Was just looking at a 161 Leaf, SV 30kWh Cold Pack in white, with around 100k on the clock. Photo of display shows a full 12 bars, which is surprising, but what kind of range would you be looking at on a car like that? And what kind of price would be acceptable? Looks like a pretty clean car otherwise.

    170/130 Summer/Winter around the town with AC on always.
    First bar goes at 85% so it's fine it still shows all 12.


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  • #4732
    Alun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,487 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    slave1 wrote: »
    170/130 Summer/Winter around the town with AC on always.
    First bar goes at 85% so it's fine it still shows all 12.
    So it's not linear then? Would that range you're quoting be for a 100% battery?


  • #4733
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
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    Yes be careful if you do any motorway driving at 120km/h GPS speed. The Leafs don't like that - their range will drop like a brick (more than most other EVs)

    I'd say range in winter at 120km/h GPS you'd be lucky to reach 100km in a 30kWh

    Also, the Leaf 30kWh can be a good buy, but personally I wouldn't spend more than €10k on one, or you are getting very close to Ioniq territory, a far superior car in many ways (range, tech, efficiency, speed, acceleration, charging, etc.)

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  • #4734
    beet_root
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    Bought a 161 30kw Accenta recently with 45k km, Soh 90% and has a range at the moment of 180km (12 bars), paid 11.5k and am very happy with it so far (first EV), came with both chargers too.


  • #4735
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Just on that 40 kWh leaf....

    I see Electric Auto (Phil Fitzgerald) have a 2017 Ioniq premium SE at 17,900 with 42 k miles on the clock. ..

    That sounds a better idea all round imo.

    I


  • #4736
    eclipsechaser
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭eclipsechaser


    Old diesel wrote: »
    Just on that 40 kWh leaf....

    I see Electric Auto (Phil Fitzgerald) have a 2017 Ioniq premium SE at 17,900 with 42 k miles on the clock. ..

    That sounds a better idea all round imo.

    I

    I'm totally new to ev's and this will be a daft question I'm sure. I was thinking about getting a '19 Kona Electric with 24k km for c. €28.5k. Do people think the €10k over that Ioniq is worth it? It'll be used for an 80km round trip for work several days a week. We do a 300km trip about 3 times a year and another 200km trip about 3 times year.

    Are there difference in charge speeds between the two models? Or is it just the size, age, mileage and range that make the difference?


  • #4737
    unkel
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    eclipsechaser wrote: »
    Do people think the €10k over that Ioniq is worth it? It'll be used for an 80km round trip for work several days a week. We do a 300km trip about 3 times a year and another 200km trip about 3 times year.

    Depends. On those 200 and 300km trips in Kona you would not have to stop to charge. In Ioniq you would have to charge once, depending on charger location, could be twice on the 300km trip

    Apart from that the Ioniq is more comfortable, bigger and has a better spec

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  • #4738
    McGiver
    Registered Users Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭McGiver


    eclipse chaser wrote:
    I was thinking about getting a '19 Kona Electric with 24k km for c. €28.5k.
    unkel wrote:
    Depends. On those 200 and 300km trips in Kona you would not have to stop to charge. In Ioniq you would have to charge once, depending on charger location, could be twice on the 300km trip

    Has Kona dropped so low already?
    Any issues with the 19 version unkel?
    Bar batteries spontaneously combusting :) (kidding but the recall fixed it right? ).


  • #4739
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    eclipsechaser wrote: »
    I'm totally new to ev's and this will be a daft question I'm sure. I was thinking about getting a '19 Kona Electric with 24k km for c. €28.5k. Do people think the €10k over that Ioniq is worth it? It'll be used for an 80km round trip for work several days a week. We do a 300km trip about 3 times a year and another 200km trip about 3 times year.

    Are there difference in charge speeds between the two models? Or is it just the size, age, mileage and range that make the difference?

    That €10k gets you a savage range increase, that 19 Kona will be hitting well over 400kms range so effectively double the Ioniq.


  • #4740
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
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    slave1 wrote: »
    That €10k gets you a savage range increase

    Indeed, but he never needs more than Ioniq range, except on 6 days a year. Depends if it is important to him not to have to stop on those days.

    Ioniq is far bigger and more comfortable car. Kona is a supermini size car really, very small in the back, suitable for 2 small kids max

    So depends on his priorities and needs really

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  • #4741
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    slave1 wrote: »
    That €10k gets you a savage range increase, that 19 Kona will be hitting well over 400kms range so effectively double the Ioniq.
    Yes but it's at a 55% increase over the Ioniq price. And you lose a lot of features (adaptive cruise for instance), combined with the kona being so teeny it's a 2 seater effectively.


    If it's only for 6 days a year, I'd keep the 10k and budget for some fast charging.


  • #4742
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    unkel wrote: »
    Indeed, but he never needs more than Ioniq range, except on 6 days a year. Depends if it is important to him not to have to stop on those days.

    Ioniq is far bigger and more comfortable car. Kona is a supermini size car really, very small in the back, suitable for 2 small kids max

    So depends on his priorities and needs really
    ELM327 wrote: »
    Yes but it's at a 55% increase over the Ioniq price. And you lose a lot of features (adaptive cruise for instance), combined with the kona being so teeny it's a 2 seater effectively.


    If it's only for 6 days a year, I'd keep the 10k and budget for some fast charging.

    Exactly. If it's 6 days a year, i'd take the ioniq every time. It's a far better spec'd machine than the kona, and far more practical. I only sold my ioniq because it couldn't carry everything we needed (growing family). The charging aspect didn't really bother me - sure didn't we have to stop in Roscrea on our last drive home because the kids weren't happy. I do like the extra range, but 10k in my pocket is pretty nice too. (there's an obvious argument which says I could of saved €10k and got the ID.4 city, but it's a lesser car spec'd car than the 1st, while the Ioniq is a better spec'd car than the Kona).


  • #4743
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,881 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Yes but it's at a 55% increase over the Ioniq price. And you lose a lot of features (adaptive cruise for instance), combined with the kona being so teeny it's a 2 seater effectively.


    If it's only for 6 days a year, I'd keep the 10k and budget for some fast charging.

    No ACC on a car that cost nearly €40k :eek:

    What is this, 2011?

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    ELM327
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    the_amazing_raisin wrote: »
    No ACC on a car that cost nearly €40k :eek:

    What is this, 2011?


    It's paddy spec. We only got one spec.

    In the UK the premium and premium SE got ACC as standard.
    We got a lot of the premium level trim and some of the premium SE (eg heated seats etc) but lost the ACC.
    Completely ridiculous.


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    unkel
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    the_amazing_raisin wrote: »
    No ACC on a car that cost nearly €40k :eek:

    What is this, 2011?

    Is active cruise control, autonomous emergency braking and auto steer standard on all VW ID.3 and ID.4 in 2021, like it was on the 2016 €25k Hyundai Ioniq?

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    unkel
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    Black_Knight wrote: »
    I only sold my ioniq because it couldn't carry everything we needed (growing family).

    I only sold my Ioniq because I could buy a Tesla at a crazy cheap price.

    I've had many a nice family car before Ioniq: BMWs, Mercedes, Rover, Saab, Jaguar. All petrol, most of them 6 cylinder and V8 automatics, so plenty of luxury, power and refinement there

    Yet it was only when I sold Ioniq that my wife was sad to see it go, the only car she ever said she really loved

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    eagerv
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    unkel wrote: »
    Is active cruise control, autonomous emergency braking and auto steer standard on all VW ID.3 and ID.4 in 2021, like it was on the 2016 €25k Hyundai Ioniq?


    AFAIK yes, except Basic models only include Lane Keep, not full lane follow.


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    unkel
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    eagerv wrote: »
    AFAIK yes, except Basic models only include Lane Keep, not full lane follow.

    I think the full lane follow is only standard on the top models? I guess this is 2021 and things are moving on a bit. Kona Irish spec in 2019 was a disgrace. And in 2022 all new EU cars must have all of the above as standard.

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    eagerv
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    unkel wrote: »
    I think the full lane follow is only standard on the top models? I guess this is 2021 and things are moving on a bit. Kona Irish spec in 2019 was a disgrace. And in 2022 all new EU cars must have all of the above as standard.


    Agree, actually the price was nearer €42 when I checked and there was little movement at the time from the dealer. The usual crap such as impossible to get etc..:).
    Apart from no ACC what really annoyed me re the spec here was the non LED lights and the tiny info screen (Smaller than Ioniq).


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    unkel
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    eagerv wrote: »
    Agree, actually the price was nearer €42 when I checked and there was little movement at the time from the dealer. The usual crap such as impossible to get etc..:).

    Well, they did sell by the sh1tloads here in Ireland. I guess companies are not charities and should maximise profit. Looks like Hyundai Ireland did just that. Can't blame them, there was literally zero competition for the long range Kona back in 2019, apart from Teslas costing twice as much...

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    eagerv
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    unkel wrote: »
    Well, they did sell by the sh1tloads here in Ireland. I guess companies are not charities and should maximise profit. Looks like Hyundai Ireland did just that. Can't blame them, there was literally zero competition for the long range Kona back in 2019, apart from Teslas costing twice as much...


    It is a car I always liked and seriously considered one. But I think Hyundai Ireland were too greedy and specced the model incorrectly here. They got the Irish spec Ionic a lot better IMO.


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