Registration of classic vehicles after Brexit

turbocab · 10-03-2021 9:32pm

unkel wrote: »

Nope. Ireland is part of the EU and as such not free to start to make up their own rules about charging VAT or not when importing cars from outside the EU.

The blame is entirely with the British voters who have voted for Brexit, and as such voted for a recession, like turkeys voting for Christmas. Unfortunately Ireland will suffer too.

You fail to remember the reason people went to buy classics in the uk, is because very few of these cars were sold new in eire was because of excessive taxes put on them here , take a look at the 1986 car show on rte its on here somewhwere .they give the irish price of new cars and the northern ireland price, it would make your eyes water,We have been robbed here for decades when it comes to car prices

reubenreuben · 10-03-2021 9:39pm

unkel wrote: »

Nope. Ireland is part of the EU and as such not free to start to make up their own rules about charging VAT or not when importing cars from outside the EU.

The blame is entirely with the British voters who have voted for Brexit, and as such voted for a recession, like turkeys voting for Christmas. Unfortunately Ireland will suffer too.

Ireland knew what was coming, they were part of the EU talks. They bent over backwards, pushovers . As this is about cars, we will be left with the dregs

w124man · 10-03-2021 11:27pm

unkel wrote: »

Nope. Ireland is part of the EU and as such not free to start to make up their own rules about charging VAT or not when importing cars from outside the EU.

The blame is entirely with the British voters who have voted for Brexit, and as such voted for a recession, like turkeys voting for Christmas. Unfortunately Ireland will suffer too.

This is it in a nutshell. End of.

Why we bought classics in the UK or the price of eggs has SFA to do with the situation we are in now. None of this is of our making and blaming Revenue or the Government is plain dumb

galwaytt · 11-03-2021 1:02am

turbocab wrote: »

You fail to remember the reason people went to buy classics in the uk, is because very few of these cars were sold new in eire was because of excessive taxes put on them here , take a look at the 1986 car show on rte its on here somewhwere .they give the irish price of new cars and the northern ireland price, it would make your eyes water,We have been robbed here for decades when it comes to car prices

Fwiw, in support of your comment, the rate of VAT here in 1984 was......an eye-watering 35%.... its a miracle anybody bought anything tbh.. ..

Car99 · 11-03-2021 9:35am

galwaytt wrote: »

Fwiw, in support of your comment, the rate of VAT here in 1984 was......an eye-watering 35%.... its a miracle anybody bought anything tbh.. ..

35% wow and what were interest rates like? In the teens?

unkel · 11-03-2021 10:15am

Car99 wrote: »

35% wow and what were interest rates like? In the teens?

Yup and income tax up to 80%

Not all gloom and doom though. A large 4 bed semi-detached house in a half decent Dublin suburb was under £10k and two people had only one paying job between them. Far simpler, easier and less stressful life.

kadman · 11-03-2021 10:17am

The pain of Brexit on vehicles and all other things in the UK and Ireland will neither be borne by
UK government or Irish government, it will be paid for by us, the consumer and no one else.
As things always have been .

Its an ideal situation for both governments to lay more burden on us, then blame each other government
for the new charges wherever they fall.

Isambard · 11-03-2021 10:40am

kadman wrote: »

The pain of Brexit on vehicles and all other things in the UK and Ireland will neither be borne by
UK government or Irish government, it will be paid for by us, the consumer and no one else.
As things always have been .

Its an ideal situation for both governments to lay more burden on us, then blame each other government
for the new charges wherever they fall.

I thought someone explained that the Government here can do nothing about it. They are merely following EU regulations following Brexit. It's the UK voters to blame for this and their devious Government.

kadman · 11-03-2021 10:44am

Isambard wrote: »

I thought someone explained that the Government here can do nothing about it. They are merely following EU regulations following Brexit. It's the UK voters to blame for this and their devious Government.

It doesn't matter whos to blame. Irish coffers get filled, UK coffers get filled....

By us, the consumer, here and in UK now

Isambard · 11-03-2021 11:11am

kadman wrote: »

It doesn't matter whos to blame. Irish coffers get filled, UK coffers get filled....

By us, the consumer, here and in UK now

well with the bill for COVID yet to be presented, I'd suggest we are going to need all that tax revenue and much more . Tax doesn't just run down the drain, it's spent on , ultimately, us.

kadman · 11-03-2021 11:36am

Tax, tax use, tax wastage is a whole other thread, we are treated like mushrooms when it comes to tax and wastage,
they keep us in the dark and feed us bull sh1te. Just think voting computers;)

Car99 · 11-03-2021 2:23pm

kadman wrote: »

Tax, tax use, tax wastage is a whole other thread, we are treated like mushrooms when it comes to tax and wastage,
they keep us in the dark and feed us bull sh1te. Just think voting computers;)

And dont forget the most expensive hospital per bed in the world being built in central Dublino.

kadman · 11-03-2021 4:01pm

Car99 wrote: »

And dont forget the most expensive hospital per bed in the world being built in central Dublino.

Yeah, but not for you.:D

They just need to ramp up the money printing presses.

Give loads to the banks, so they then can loan 9 times more capital than they actually have, and charge you megabucks as a loan for the privelage.

w124man · 11-03-2021 6:49pm

unkel wrote: »

Yup and income tax up to 80%

Not all gloom and doom though. A large 4 bed semi-detached house in a half decent Dublin suburb was under £10k and two people had only one paying job between them. Far simpler, easier and less stressful life.

And then women went out to work ..... I blame them! They put the prices up!!

turbocab · 11-03-2021 10:26pm

w124man wrote: »

This is it in a nutshell. End of.

Why we bought classics in the UK or the price of eggs has SFA to do with the situation we are in now. None of this is of our making and blaming Revenue or the Government is plain dumb

It has actually.look at a car thats new now ,that will be a future classic ,the toyota yaris gr 35k euro in germany 58k euro in ireland,Hence hardly any will be sold here. 23k in difference and we are both in EU.Brexit has nothing to do with this price difference,.Its legalized robbery by this state on its citizens

w124man · 12-03-2021 9:56pm

turbocab wrote: »

It has actually.look at a car thats new now ,that will be a future classic ,the toyota yaris gr 35k euro in germany 58k euro in ireland,Hence hardly any will be sold here. 23k in difference and we are both in EU.Brexit has nothing to do with this price difference,.Its legalized robbery by this state on its citizens

Does your Mother know you're on the internet?

turbocab · 12-03-2021 9:57pm

w124man wrote: »

Does your Mother know you're on the internet?

Very smart arent we,

turbocab · 13-03-2021 1:16pm

w124man wrote: »

Does your Mother know you're on the internet?

So when you dont like to hear some facts and figures ,you resort to childish insults. Some adult you are

kadman · 13-03-2021 7:34pm

Now guys, I have already been on a thread thats been closed, dont do this here as well:D:D:D

FirstIn · 13-03-2021 8:20pm

Folks, i know there is much uncertainty but do we know if things are different re VAT and duty if the car was originally built in the UK? Say a 1960s MGB etc. Didn't the deal , done late in 2020 mean there are exemptions to UK produced items?

Car99 · 13-03-2021 8:38pm

FirstIn wrote: »

Folks, i know there is much uncertainty but do we know if things are different re VAT and duty if the car was originally built in the UK? Say a 1960s MGB etc. Didn't the deal , done late in 2020 mean there are exemptions to UK produced items?

Going by the govs website no exemptions for used cars . That page was updated 4th March it still says 21% VAT but I tjough VAT had gone back up to 23% on 1st March .

Import duty 10% : If the vehicle’s country of origin is the UK, you do not have to pay a customs duty if it is a new vehicle. Customs charges apply to all used vehicles imported from Great Britain.

VAT @ 23% : You have to pay VAT on all used and new cars imported from Great Britain. If you buy a car in Northern Ireland, you only have to pay VAT in Ireland on new cars. An extra VAT charge could apply if the vehicle was not properly imported from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.

Source : https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/coming_to_live_in_ireland/importing_car_into_ireland.html

Isambard · 13-03-2021 8:42pm

Car99 wrote: »

Going by the govs website no exemptions for used cars . That page was updated 4th March it still says 21% VAT but I tjough VAT had gone back up to 23% on 1st March .

Import duty 10% : If the vehicle’s country of origin is the UK, you do not have to pay a customs duty if it is a new vehicle. Customs charges apply to all used vehicles imported from Great Britain.

VAT @ 23% : You have to pay VAT on all used and new cars imported from Great Britain. If you buy a car in Northern Ireland, you only have to pay VAT in Ireland on new cars. An extra VAT charge could apply if the vehicle was not properly imported from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.

Source : https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/coming_to_live_in_ireland/importing_car_into_ireland.html

That version is woefully inaccurate. I'd refer to Revenue.ie directly OP.

Car99 · 13-03-2021 9:34pm

Isambard wrote: »

That version is woefully inaccurate. I'd refer to Revenue.ie directly OP.

It may well be inaccurate but I have not seen or heard anything from NCT VRT or Revenue that shows it to be inaccurate.

To simplify your life and avoid any expensive surprises I would go with the advice in the above link until Revenue come out and clear everything up. At present assume the most expensive outcome when buying a car in the uk or ni and if it's still worth it then go for it. If it turns out your calculations were wrong well then that's a bonus.

Isambard · 13-03-2021 10:03pm

Car99 wrote: »

It may well be inaccurate but I have not seen or heard anything from NCT VRT or Revenue that shows it to be inaccurate.

To simplify your life and avoid any expensive surprises I would go with the advice in the above link until Revenue come out and clear everything up. At present assume the most expensive outcome when buying a car in the uk or ni and if it's still worth it then go for it. If it turns out your calculations were wrong well then that's a bonus.

your interpretation is just muddying the waters, and is inaccurate, that it still says 21% should give a bit of a hint.

I'm not proposing to go into it as there are so many opinions out there and my advice would be as I said go to Revenue.ie.

w124man · 13-03-2021 10:38pm

turbocab wrote: »

So when you dont like to hear some facts and figures ,you resort to childish insults. Some adult you are

Your facts and figures are irrelevant. Your argument is irrelevant. Comparing prices in any EU country against another is pointless. If you're that upset about it go to Germany and buy one and stop rehashing an old irrelevant argument.

Car99 · 13-03-2021 10:57pm

Isambard wrote: »

your interpretation is just muddying the waters, and is inaccurate, that it still says 21% should give a bit of a hint.

I'm not proposing to go into it as there are so many opinions out there and my advice would be as I said go to Revenue.ie.

I get what you're saying and I may be muddying the waters but at least I won't end up with any financial surprises when I import a car and speaking of mud revenue.ie is about as clear as mud on the subject.

turbocab · 14-03-2021 12:38am

w124man wrote: »

Your facts and figures are irrelevant. Your argument is irrelevant. Comparing prices in any EU country against another is pointless. If you're that upset about it go to Germany and buy one and stop rehashing an old irrelevant argument.

About as irrelevant as you are .

kadman · 16-03-2021 11:48am

I am going off to get some popcorn and an armchair, because I have never had such great entertainmenmt as a few days ago when I asked a few metal detector questions on another thread..:eek: and then it was shut down for my insolence:P

Hopefully you guys dont do handbags at dawn and shut this on me too.:D:D

Carry on there.....munch,munch,munch.:P

Isambard · 16-03-2021 11:51am

kadman wrote: »

I am going off to get some popcorn and an armchair, because I have never had such great entertainmenmt as a few days ago when I asked a few metal detector questions on another thread..:eek: and then it was shut down for my insolence:P

Hopefully you guys dont do handbags at dawn and shut this on me too.:D:D

Carry on there.....munch,munch,munch.:P

you're nearly 3 days too late

kadman · 16-03-2021 12:01pm

Isambard wrote: »

you're nearly 3 days too late

I am in lockdown, and I demand me entertainment.:D

Maybe someone go off and help the lady with her query on registering an old classic, that should have been registered before she bought it:)

Mossir · 21-03-2021 12:04am

I will be purchasing a September 1991 English reg car that was imported to Northern Ireland private person in December 2020,
Can I pay €200 now or wait until September?
Kindest Regards

Car99 · 21-03-2021 12:28am

Mossir wrote: »

I will be purchasing a September 1991 English reg car that was imported to Northern Ireland private person in December 2020,
Can I pay €200 now or wait until September?
Kindest Regards

Wait until September.

Isambard · 21-03-2021 10:44am

yeah you'll have to wait until the car is 30 years old before importing it. You'll need to have proof that it was imported to NI before 2021 too.

Mossir · 21-03-2021 11:41am

Isambard wrote: »

yeah you'll have to wait until the car is 30 years old before importing it. You'll need to have proof that it was imported to NI before 2021 too.

Hi, will a invoice from transport company do?

Isambard · 21-03-2021 11:48am

hopefully. Who knows at present!

MAJJ · 21-03-2021 12:40pm

Isambard wrote: »

yeah you'll have to wait until the car is 30 years old before importing it. You'll need to have proof that it was imported to NI before 2021 too.

I don't doubt you but do you have a link to that point on import date?

For example in the scenario where UK car is 30 Sept. Is there a specific rule from someone in NI purchasing car and selling after it's 30 years old?
Does your point mean that anything from NI is treated the same as UK if brought into NI from 2021 onwards.

Isambard · 21-03-2021 2:53pm

well you don't have to wait, but if you bring it into this country before it's 30 years old, you won't get to pay the €200 rate. VRT would be at the standard rate of a minimum of something like €720 iirc, more if it's an expensive car. The 30 years is nothing to do with the UK, it's for RoI VRT purposes.

If it was brought into NI before 2021 you'll be able to re-register it here as before, at the €200 rate once it's 30 years old when it arrives in the Republic. You'd have to be able to prove it though.

(were it brought into NI in 2021 the position is unclear but it's possible you would have to pay 23% VAT on invoic cost plus transport and (if it wasn't built in GB) 10% duty..... doesn't apply to this car, but added as an explanation)

newmember2 · 27-03-2021 3:00am

Isambard wrote: »

well you don't have to wait, but if you bring it into this country before it's 30 years old, you won't get to pay the €200 rate. VRT would be at the standard rate of a minimum of something like €720 iirc, more if it's an expensive car. The 30 years is nothing to do with the UK, it's for RoI VRT purposes.

If it was brought into NI before 2021 you'll be able to re-register it here as before, at the €200 rate once it's 30 years old when it arrives in the Republic. You'd have to be able to prove it though.

(were it brought into NI in 2021 the position is unclear but it's possible you would have to pay 23% VAT on invoic cost plus transport and (if it wasn't built in GB) 10% duty..... doesn't apply to this car, but added as an explanation)

How is it unclear, you're paying VAT and that's it.

preacherman · 21-05-2021 3:59pm

Hi all,

I'm looking at a classic campervan in the UK. It is LHD and would have been built in Germany originally and at some point in it's life ended up in the UK.

I've scoured the internet and cannot get clarity. If I use the customs and vat calculator online the van is not worth buying.

What I can't work out is that if the van was originally manufactured and used in Germany, then exported to UK as a used vehicle what the vat and customs implications are. Are they the same?

Any one any experience on this?

Car99 · 21-05-2021 4:04pm

preacherman wrote: »

Hi all,

I'm looking at a classic campervan in the UK. It is LHD and would have been built in Germany originally and at some point in it's life ended up in the UK.

I've scoured the internet and cannot get clarity. If I use the customs and vat calculator online the van is not worth buying.

What I can't work out is that if the van was originally manufactured and used in Germany, then exported to UK as a used vehicle what the vat and customs implications are. Are they the same?

Any one any experience on this?

You'll have to run the gauntlet, fight your case and take your chances because sure as fcuk no one will be a le to answer that until you try. My money is on you'll be paying everything VAT, VRT and import duty.

preacherman · 21-05-2021 4:15pm

Car99 wrote: »

You'll have to run the gauntlet, fight your case and take your chances because sure as fcuk no one will be a le to answer that until you try. My money is on you'll be paying everything VAT, VRT and import duty.

Thanks, I think I'll let someone else run that gauntlet first

galwaytt · 22-05-2021 1:25am

preacherman wrote: »

Thanks, I think I'll let someone else run that gauntlet first

My brother brought in a Hymer not long ago from Netherlands: far easier than UK. VRT on its estimated value (not the invoice mind).

He did look in the UK before taking the plunge.

UK will be Customs, VRT , VAT,. Not worth it.

preacherman · 22-05-2021 11:15am

galwaytt wrote: »

My brother brought in a Hymer not long ago from Netherlands: far easier than UK. VRT on its estimated value (not the invoice mind).

He did look in the UK before taking the plunge.

UK will be Customs, VRT , VAT,. Not worth it.

Thanks, I’m watching vans in the Eu too but Covid has effected that too with having to quarantine etc.

macplaxton · 22-05-2021 10:29pm

preacherman wrote: »

Hi all,
built in Germany originally and at some point in it's life ended up in the UK.

What I can't work out is that if the van was originally manufactured and used in Germany, then exported to UK as a used vehicle what the vat and customs implications are. Are they the same?

Used German manufactured camper van imported from UK then imported to Ireland - 10% duty + VAT@23%

The only way you can get "Returned Good Relief" (saving the 10% duty bit) is if the used vehicle is re-imported to the EU (e.g. Ireland) from the UK within 3 years of export (the important date is the date of export of the vehicle from the EU to the UK and not the date of registration of the vehicle in the UK)

Paperwork requirements for RGR are outlined HERE

As far as the VAT goes: In very specific circumstances, relief may also apply where the goods are re-imported into the EU by the same person that originally exported the goods out of the EU. (e.g. fat chance). So expect to pay VAT regardless.

galwaytt · 24-05-2021 9:17pm

preacherman wrote: »

Thanks, I’m watching vans in the Eu too but Covid has effected that too with having to quarantine etc.

He had it shipped from Northern Holland direct to Cork: all in €1200.

Didn't miss a day at work.

Casati · 05-06-2021 7:59am

macplaxton wrote: »

Used German manufactured camper van imported from UK then imported to Ireland - 10% duty + VAT@23%

The only way you can get "Returned Good Relief" (saving the 10% duty bit) is if the used vehicle is re-imported to the EU (e.g. Ireland) from the UK within 3 years of export (the important date is the date of export of the vehicle from the EU to the UK and not the date of registration of the vehicle in the UK)

Paperwork requirements for RGR are outlined HERE

As far as the VAT goes: In very specific circumstances, relief may also apply where the goods are re-imported into the EU by the same person that originally exported the goods out of the EU. (e.g. fat chance). So expect to pay VAT regardless.

I never heard of that returned good relief before. Does that mean that any vehicle also less than three years old and originally manufactured in the EU but sold new in U.K. can be exported to Ireland now duty free?

Isambard · 05-06-2021 8:53am

Casati wrote: »

I never heard of that returned good relief before. Does that mean that any vehicle also less than three years old and originally manufactured in the EU but sold new in U.K. can be exported to Ireland now duty free?

not sure how you reached that conclusion. It seems to be the opposite to what was being said in the post you quoted.

Car99 · 05-06-2021 9:01am

Casati wrote: »

I never heard of that returned good relief before. Does that mean that any vehicle also less than three years old and originally manufactured in the EU but sold new in U.K. can be exported to Ireland now duty free?

Sold new in the uk pre Jan 31 2020 was sold in the UK therefore sold in the EU . It's a minefield that would take someone with deep pockets to fight their case in a court. The cost of fighting would outweigh the imports costs in most cases so I guess we will never know.

Casati · 05-06-2021 10:02pm

Car99 wrote: »

Sold new in the uk pre Jan 31 2020 was sold in the UK therefore sold in the EU . It's a minefield that would take someone with deep pockets to fight their case in a court. The cost of fighting would outweigh the imports costs in most cases so I guess we will never know.

Why would you have to fight a case in court?

Isambard · 06-06-2021 9:35am

Casati wrote: »

Why would you have to fight a case in court?

because you are wanting a ruling imposed by our Government and the EU changed.

Registration of classic vehicles after Brexit

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