Registration of classic vehicles after Brexit

Car99

galwaytt wrote: »

two more I heard about in recent days:
1999 XKR - €5000

2017 X7 - I didn't get the exact number, but it was up €3500 over what the calc was in early December. He couldn't get an inspection until January 17th and they basically shrugged their shoulders and said 'It's 2021, 2021 rules apply'. So he coughed up and is appealing it.

That's the NCTs default get whatever the computer says and then you can appeal it.

Appeal with docs proving car was in the country prior to 2021 and it should be ok.

I cleared a 2014 A4 a few years ago it was €900 more than the VRT calculator estimate.

I asked what statistical code did you use and his was different to the stat code I had from my vrt calculator estimate. I asked him to use my stat code instead he ran it through the computer and said yep you can use that code also.

I asked him to clear the car using my code he said no it's done now you'll have to appeal it which I did and got my €900 back but alot of hassle on my part . Appeals procedure is useful but slow.

Why do we have to do everything by post still in this country when an online service would be cheaper and more efficient for everyone.

w124man

Car99 wrote: »

Did it work out cheaper or the same as buying the same car here?

Hard to tell as there wasn't a similar one for sale but I don't think so

w124man

galwaytt wrote: »

two more I heard about in recent days:
1999 XKR - €5000

2017 X7 - I didn't get the exact number, but it was up €3500 over what the calc was in early December. He couldn't get an inspection until January 17th and they basically shrugged their shoulders and said 'It's 2021, 2021 rules apply'. So he coughed up and is appealing it.

Was that duty and Vat?

commited

w124man wrote: »

IF you buy from a dealer and IF you are VAT registered, you can claim the UK VAT back

Only if the car is VAT qualifying in the UK, if not then its not possible.

Tomal

Can I ask a question. If car brought into NI from GB by a private buyer and import paperwork done by new owner and NI plates put on (actually do NI plates have to be put on or is it ok if GB plates left on the car? ) . How long does it have to be in NI before can be sold to ROI without extra taxes added.

galwaytt

Tomal wrote: »

Can I ask a question. If car brought into NI from GB by a private buyer and import paperwork done by new owner and NI plates put on (actually do NI plates have to be put on or is it ok if GB plates left on the car? ) . How long does it have to be in NI before can be sold to ROI without extra taxes added.

Nobody knows, literally.

I'm looking at a car in NI (from a garage) and as far as I can see they know even less about it. The answer I got (and it's a GB car, imported prior to Dec 31st, but still wearing GB plates) was along the lines of 'we imported it before Dec 31st so there should be no problem'.

Should.

Sorry, but I can't take a gamble on getting clobbered for 21% VAT based on 'should'.

commited

As I understand, NI plates are irrelevant as they are a choice by the owner. "NI registered" means registered to an address in NI

w124man

commited wrote: »

Only if the car is VAT qualifying in the UK, if not then its not possible.

Dealer cars do!

commited

w124man wrote: »

Dealer cars do!

Are you inferring all dealers used cars are vat qualifying?

Isambard

Not likely is it? any used car that has had a private owner in it's history won't be qualifying. I'm guessing he meant Dealers won't be buying anything not qualifying.

wunderbar

So lads, I'm looking at a classic commercial that's been lying up over here for a few years pre brexit but as of yet not re-registered from the uk.

I know the VRT will be 200 as its over thirty years old, but its looking like i'd now have to pay VAT aswell at 21%?


or can someone hopefully tell me I'm wrong??

w124man

commited wrote: »

Are you inferring all dealers used cars are vat qualifying?

I'm saying that the car my buddy brought in was bought ex VAT. A used or second hand car will be VAT qualifying if it has remained registered to a business throughout its lifetime. His car was a demonstrator so he was able to buy without VAT

Tomal

hi5 wrote: »

If the V5 has a Northern Ireland address then he doesn't need any other paperwork, there is no VAT.
He may need an Invoice for VRT but that's always been the case.

So no VAT if car NI registered and any age. I know VRT and NOX will have to be paid on a 2004.

Isambard

Tomal wrote: »

So no VAT if car NI registered and any age. I know VRT and NOX will have to be paid on a 2004.

It will be interesting to see what happens if that NI car is not of GB build. "the deal" only covers GB made items, I wonder if that affects the NI registered cars.

hi5

The wording according to Revenue.ie is 'without any checks on customs status'.
So we can only presume that includes the 10% duty.

Vehicles registered in Northern Ireland before 1 January 2021.

You can register a vehicle registered before 1 January 2021 without any checks on the customs status if it was registered:

in Northern Ireland
or
to a person resident in Northern Ireland.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/registration-of-imported-used-vehicles/vehicles-registered-in-great-britain-and-subsequently-registered-in-northern-ireland.aspx

Tomal

hi5 wrote: »

The wording according to Revenue.ie is 'without any checks on customs status'.
So we can only presume that includes the 10% duty.

Vehicles registered in Northern Ireland before 1 January 2021.

You can register a vehicle registered before 1 January 2021 without any checks on the customs status if it was registered:

in Northern Ireland
or
to a person resident in Northern Ireland.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/registration-of-imported-used-vehicles/vehicles-registered-in-great-britain-and-subsequently-registered-in-northern-ireland.aspx

Ok. Thanks for that and I checked the link. Reads straight forward enough, car registered in NI before 1st Jan 2021 is just like before.

Did the dealers (big or small) in NI stock pile at all as looks like this would have been the ideal plan. I suppose nobody knew what the deal would be and it happened all over Christmas making the purchasing of vehicles logistically difficult.

commited

w124man wrote: »

Friend of mine has just brought in a year old C Class diesel Mercedes. The VAT and duty content cost almost €10,000 on top of the VRT and NOX and, of course, the purchase price.

IF you buy from a dealer and IF you are VAT registered, you can claim the UK VAT back

commited wrote: »

Only if the car is VAT qualifying in the UK, if not then its not possible.

w124man wrote: »

Dealer cars do!

commited wrote: »

Are you inferring all dealers used cars are vat qualifying?

w124man wrote: »

I'm saying that the car my buddy brought in was bought ex VAT. A used or second hand car will be VAT qualifying if it has remained registered to a business throughout its lifetime. His car was a demonstrator so he was able to buy without VAT

Exactly - your friend bought a VAT qualifying car which was the reason he was able to claim back VAT, dealers sell plenty of used non-VAT qualifying cars too! Forums can be a great source of information but also misinformation - your original post should have said
IF you buy a VAT Qualifying car from a dealer and IF you are VAT registered, you can claim the UK VAT back.

MAJJ

I've read the full thread and have some questions.
Looking to import a classic - 31 year German Merc C124 car from UK.
Trying to establish a consensus on costs.

Car cost 5,000 EUR
Transport 450 EUR
VRT 200 EUR
Duty 10% (because it originally came from Germany 31 years ago)
VAT 21% (23% end of Feb)

Is the Duty and VAT based on the invoice of 5,000 EUR or on the OMSP?
I know OMSP is used normally for VRT.

Isambard

Invoice price + transport costs.

pg recovery

Hi I'm wondering if anyone can clear up a few questions for me regarding importing an 88 Toyota carina from England now

I understand the vrt will be 200e

I understand that the car will attract vat and customs fees as well

Can someone tell me how the vat and customs fees are arrived at?

How can they put a value on the car...do they have a database or will they accept a handwritten invoice stating what price I gave for the car

Thanks for the help everyone

newmember2

commited wrote: »

...your original post should have said
IF you buy a VAT Qualifying car from a dealer and IF you are VAT registered, you can claim the UK VAT back.

You don't have to be VAT registered to get the VAT back from the UK seller.

Isambard

pg recovery wrote: »

Hi I'm wondering if anyone can clear up a few questions for me regarding importing an 88 Toyota carina from England now

I understand the vrt will be 200e

I understand that the car will attract vat and customs fees as well

Can someone tell me how the vat and customs fees are arrived at?

How can they put a value on the car...do they have a database or will they accept a handwritten invoice stating what price I gave for the car

Thanks for the help everyone

any taxes other than VRT are based on the Invoice Price. I would imagine it would be likely that they might check that the Invoice is somewhere near reality. I don't think it's been established yet whether a handwritten invoice from a private seller will be accepted still. CAn't think of a reason why not

commited

newmember? wrote: »

You don't have to be VAT registered to get the VAT back from the UK seller.

That's great, I always thought that was the case but I've never gone through the process and plenty of people have been stating you have to be VAT registered.

Out of interest, do you know more about the process?

Car99

commited wrote: »

That's great, I always thought that was the case but I've never gone through the process and plenty of people have been stating you have to be VAT registered.

Out of interest, do you know more about the process?

Most sellers of VAT qualifying cars wont charge you the VAT if the car is for export.

w124man

commited wrote: »

Forums can be a great source of information but also misinformation - your original post should have said
IF you buy a VAT Qualifying car from a dealer and IF you are VAT registered, you can claim the UK VAT back.

Yeah! There's a great site called www.revenue.ie which explains stuff about VAT!

Makes a good read, try it!

newmember2

Isambard wrote: »

any taxes other than VRT are based on the Invoice Price. I would imagine it would be likely that they might check that the Invoice is somewhere near reality. I don't think it's been established yet whether a handwritten invoice from a private seller will be accepted still. CAn't think of a reason why not

I can't see how this is gonna fly...^^^

I rock up with an invoice or receipt for x value and revenue are just going to say "our calculations value that car at x+y+z amount so we will be disregarding your Invoice/receipt".

Car99

newmember? wrote: »

I can't see how this is gonna fly...^^^

I rock up with an invoice or receipt for x value and revenue are just going to say "our calculations value that car at x+y+z amount so we will be disregarding your Invoice/receipt".

I wondered about this.

Hypothetically If you get a really good deal on something say winning an Ebay UK auction at a ridiculously low price because the item was listed in the wrong section with the wrong spelling by an uniformed seller say a 1986 528i was listed in model cars and listed simply as Old car and you paid £500 for it even though it has an easily achievable value of £5000.
In this case you can show Revenue all documents relating to the auction with a reasonable explanation .

Are revenue LIKELY to say similar goods are valued at 5k you owe us €900 in VAT+duty (which they can choose to do) or would they say you verified you paid €500 so you owe us €90 ?

steinbock123

Revenue being Revenue are VERY likely to charge the higher figure.
You pay first and appeal it later.

Isambard

Car99 wrote: »

I wondered about this.

Hypothetically If you get a really good deal on something say winning an Ebay UK auction at a ridiculously low price because the item was listed in the wrong section with the wrong spelling by an uniformed seller say a 1986 528i was listed in model cars and listed simply as Old car and you paid £500 for it even though it has an easily achievable value of £5000.
In this case you can show Revenue all documents relating to the auction with a reasonable explanation .

Are revenue LIKELY to say similar goods are valued at 5k you owe us €900 in VAT+duty (which they can choose to do) or would they say you verified you paid €500 so you owe us €90 ?

I'd say if you have a genuine undisputable invoice, such as one from Ebay or a Dealer of repute, then no problem. If the invoice looks iffy or is handwritten then they'll check out the market value.

newmember2

Isambard wrote: »

I'd say if you have a genuine undisputable invoice, such as one from Ebay or a Dealer of repute, then no problem. If the invoice looks iffy or is handwritten then they'll check out the market value.

Nah...I'd imagine you're paying VAT+Duty on the value of the car not the price you paid for it. Surely someone on here has done it yet?