Extreme hate preacher banned from all Europe to visit Ireland

Annasopra · 30-04-2019 5:33pm #1

https://www.change.org/p/prevent-american-hate-pastor-steven-anderson-from-preaching-in-ireland

https://gcn.ie/petition-block-pastor-steven-anderson/

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/04/dutch-cabinet-looks-into-banning-american-hate-preacher/

Ten of Swords · 30-04-2019 8:08pm

In this video he is talking about the Pulse nightclub shooting where 49 patrons of a gay bar were murdered. If you don't watch the whole thing at least skip ahead and listen to 2.05 - 2.20. I have no words.

This is what he stands for;

His planned meeting point (if he is allowed to land) is McDonalds on the Corballis Road (just next to the airport) at 9am. He details his itinerary in the below video starting at 6.30

Annasopra · 02-05-2019 7:48am

He is now bsnned from Netherlands

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/05/death-to-gays-preacher-steven-anderson-banned-from-netherlands/

suicide_circus · 02-05-2019 8:34am

he even hates the Rosary rattlers!

branie2 · 03-05-2019 12:33am

And rightly so

Annasopra · 03-05-2019 6:02pm

branie2 wrote: »

And rightly so

Rightly so to?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-05-2019 6:03pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Rightly so to?

Hating catholics. I assume.

branie2 · 03-05-2019 9:43pm

That the hate preacher was banned

Danzy · 03-05-2019 9:45pm

He should be banned but his views would not be outline in many centres of worship here or in Britain or Europe.

JupiterKid · 03-05-2019 9:59pm

It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if this piece of dog excrement is an extreme closet case...

03-05-2019 10:06pm

JupiterKid wrote:

It wouldnâ€™t surprise me in the least if this piece of dog excrement is an extreme closet case...

FFS. This trope is ridiculous

Annasopra · 04-05-2019 6:56am

Deleted User wrote: »

FFS. This trope is ridiculous

It happens regularly

declantm · 05-05-2019 10:05pm

I'm so gonna get banned but I'm in two minds when it comes to free speech. Should we let people like Anderson and Westboro Baptist Church into Ireland to spout they're hate filled diatribe and let people see how horrible and nasty they are or should we just ban them outright?

Ten of Swords · 05-05-2019 11:05pm

Free speech should not, and does not, include hate speech. Dutch minister for Justice Mark Harbers summed it up perfectly last week I thought

There is no place in a democratic nation like ours for discrimination, incitement to hatred or intolerance and violence on any grounds...

Civil liberties are not a license for intolerant behaviour that limits the freedoms of others...

The government is committed to taking strong action against extremist speakers who, by spreading their beliefs. restrict the freedoms of others or incite people to hatred or violence.

The Dutch ban has meant he is banned from the entire Schengen area and the UK previously banned him. I think Ireland is the only EU nation he is not banned from (open to correction). It is a pity Ireland is too spineless to take a stand and ban this preacher.

declantm · 06-05-2019 12:21am

In the USA hate speech is allowed, so people like Anderson are allowed to constantly spread their vitriol and hatred but in Europe we're on the fence. We have several general policy recommendations but nothing outright banning hate speech. I agree that Ireland should ban him, but I would like to see what the post reaction to his obscene ramblings would show. I would expect most people wouldn't even notice he was here. In fairness, at most he's a blip on the radar.

cj maxx · 09-05-2019 12:54pm

Ten of Swords wrote: »

In this video he is talking about the Pulse nightclub shooting where 49 patrons of a gay bar were murdered. If you don't watch the whole thing at least skip ahead and listen to 2.05 - 2.20. I have no words.

This is what he stands for;

His planned meeting point (if he is allowed to land) is McDonalds on the Corballis Road (just next to the airport) at 9am. He details his itinerary in the below video starting at 6.30

Forced myself to finish watching one of the videos . Pure unadulterated shyte!
I hope he gets lynched if he sets foot in Ireland

lottpaul · 12-05-2019 9:36pm

Glad to say he has been banned - the first person to be excluded from the country under laws introduced in 1999.

Ten of Swords · 12-05-2019 9:59pm

Remarkable, I honestly thought Ireland didn't have the bottle to issue a ban order.

The cynical part of me genuinely wonders if this is in any part influenced by the local elections.

In any case I'm glad he won't be bringing his vitriol to Ireland and even if his event does still go ahead (he has previously said he lined up alternate speakers if he is banned) it sends a clear message to those who would come to Ireland and preach intolerance.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anti-gay-preacher-is-first-ever-banned-from-ireland-under-exclusion-powers-1.3889848

Danzy · 13-05-2019 12:22am

The only message it sends is don't have those views and be a preaching Pastor.

13-05-2019 8:41am

Ten of Swords wrote:

In any case I'm glad he won't be bringing his vitriol to Ireland and even if his event does still go ahead (he has previously said he lined up alternate speakers if he is banned) it sends a clear message to those who would come to Ireland and preach intolerance.

Can you not see any irony in that statement?

Goodshape · 13-05-2019 1:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you not see any irony in that statement?

Intolerance of extreme hate preachers is, I think, something we can live with.

13-05-2019 5:56pm

Goodshape wrote:

Intolerance of extreme hate preachers is, I think, something we can live with.

I can't. I don't like the idea that we can shut down people's right to say what they believe in just because we don't agree with it.

I'd prefer to be able to hear what my opponents have to say rather than give them credence by making their words unspeakable.

But sure, as long as you don't hear anything that offends you, life is good.

salmocab · 13-05-2019 6:03pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can't. I don't like the idea that we can shut down people's right to say what they believe in just because we don't agree with it.

I'd prefer to be able to hear what my opponents have to say rather than give them credence by making their words unspeakable.

But sure, as long as you don't hear anything that offends you, life is good.

Nobody is shutting down his right to say what he believes just where he can be when he says it.

eviltwin · 13-05-2019 6:04pm

What venue was due to host him does anyone know?

Edgarfrndly · 13-05-2019 6:09pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't. I don't like the idea that we can shut down people's right to say what they believe in just because we don't agree with it.

I'd prefer to be able to hear what my opponents have to say rather than give them credence by making their words unspeakable.

But sure, as long as you don't hear anything that offends you, life is good.

He can say whatever he wants. He is not a citizen of this state and as such does not have a right to be here. Entry into Ireland is a privilege and that privilege can be revoked. His intention was to come here to preach hate.

How many times does this have to be said so people like you understand it?

RobbingBandit · 13-05-2019 6:10pm

Who do I contact about background checks on unverified immigration flowing into this country on a weekly basis.

Edgarfrndly · 13-05-2019 6:19pm

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Who do I contact about background checks on unverified immigration flowing into this country on a weekly basis.

If you think someone is here illegally, you can always report them. EU citizens don't require background checks as they have a legal right to be here.

Anything else?

eagle eye · 13-05-2019 6:21pm

I'm tempted to contact him and read out what he wants said.
I wouldn't agree with anything he has to say and it would be very tough for me to read it out but I don't like people being prevented from airing their opinions.
Banning him from coming into the country because you disagree with his beliefs is ludicrous.
Nanny state mentality like we can't look after ourselves.

RobbingBandit · 13-05-2019 6:22pm

A whole lot of effort has gone into investigating this guy yet thousands come through the borders here unchecked whom ever did the checking on this guy why aren't they using that shrewd sense for more productive means

paw patrol · 13-05-2019 6:35pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't. I don't like the idea that we can shut down people's right to say what they believe in just because we don't agree with it.

I'd prefer to be able to hear what my opponents have to say rather than give them credence by making their words unspeakable.

But sure, as long as you don't hear anything that offends you, life is good.

its clearly a case of ban the people I don't like
a worrying development

tritriagain · 13-05-2019 6:40pm

Banning him only gives him more publicity. If you agree with what he says this will not change your mind. You should be able to listen to these people and then just say" aw would u ever rev up and fu## off."

robyntmorton · 13-05-2019 6:48pm

RobbingBandit wrote: »

A whole lot of effort has gone into investigating this guy yet thousands come through the borders here unchecked whom ever did the checking on this guy why aren't they using that shrewd sense for more productive means

Yeah, thats a completely separate topic...

And for those going on about surpressing freedom of speech, think about this:

Freedom of speech is a right, yes. With any right though, comes a responsibility. In this case the responsibility is to not use that free speech to incite hatred against others. If the authorities have reasonable belief that the main purpose of the visit is to abuse that right, they do have the right and responsibility to say no, as numerous authorities have.

It neither is nor was a way to silence an opinion that is just not liked.

Goodshape · 13-05-2019 6:54pm

tritriagain wrote: »

You should be able to listen to these people and then just say" aw would u ever rev up and fu## off."

Effectively, isn't this exactly what has happened? We're not so isolated that we can't find out what this guy has to say. Google and YouTube and Wikipedia exist. It's perfectly well known what he wants to say, and he has been perfectly well told to rev up and **** off.

Can he think and say whatever he wants? Sure he can.

Should we grant him entry to our country to say those things to an audience here? I don't see why we would.

tritriagain · 13-05-2019 6:58pm

Goodshape wrote: »

Effectively, isn't this exactly what has happened? We're not so isolated that we can't find out what this guy has to say. Google and YouTube and Wikipedia exist. It's perfectly well known what he wants to say, and he has been perfectly well told to rev up and **** off.

Can he think and say whatever he wants? Sure he can.

Should we grant him entry to our country to say those things to an audience here? I don't see why we would.

Fair enough. But where is the actual line for banning people. If he was a high profile Muslim with the same views I don't think he would be banned for fear of the country being labelled rascist

Goodshape · 13-05-2019 7:19pm

tritriagain wrote: »

If he was a high profile Muslim with the same views I don't think he would be banned for fear of the country being labelled rascist

Well that's simply due to our Government's policy of actively suppressing the thoughts and views of rich white American males while kowtowing to anything the Quran has to say. Obviously.

I mean, the signs are all there if you just close your eyes and imagine them.

#WakeUpSheeple!

Ten of Swords · 13-05-2019 7:20pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm tempted to contact him and read out what he wants said.
I wouldn't agree with anything he has to say and it would be very tough for me to read it out

Let us know how you get on

:rolleyes:

tritriagain · 13-05-2019 7:32pm

Goodshape wrote: »

Well that's simply due to our Government's policy of actively suppressing the thoughts and views of rich white American males while kowtowing to anything the Quran has to say. Obviously.

I mean, the signs are all there if you just close your eyes and imagine them.

#WakeUpSheeple!

Oh so I'm imagining homophobic views by certain sections of Islam. Ok. At least I know now.

Goodshape · 13-05-2019 7:39pm

tritriagain wrote: »

Oh so I'm imagining homophobic views by certain sections of Islam. Ok. At least I know now.

That's nothing at all like what I said.

tritriagain · 13-05-2019 7:53pm

Goodshape wrote: »

That's nothing at all like what I said.

I must have picked you up wrong then.i apologise.

13-05-2019 8:54pm

Edgarfrndly wrote:

How many times does this have to be said so people like you understand it?

People like me?

People who believe that it is ok to speak their mind? It's ok for people to have horrific thoughts once they don't verbalise them?

Annasopra · 14-05-2019 8:24am

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't. I don't like the idea that we can shut down people's right to say what they believe in just because we don't agree with it.

I'd prefer to be able to hear what my opponents have to say rather than give them credence by making their words unspeakable.

But sure, as long as you don't hear anything that offends you, life is good.

This isnt about mere offence. This is about someone who is more or less calling for us all to be slaughtered becsuse of our sexual orientation or gender identity. There is a reason over 30 European countries have banned him.

Annasopra · 14-05-2019 8:27am

Deleted User wrote: »

People like me?

People who believe that it is ok to speak their mind? It's ok for people to have horrific thoughts once they don't verbalise them?

Incitement to hatred is not ok

salmocab · 14-05-2019 8:37am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People who believe that it is ok to speak their mind? It's ok for people to have horrific thoughts once they don't verbalise them?

He has verbalized them so now people know his horrific thoughts. Your argument here is if he had those thoughts but didn’t speak them then we’d be okay with it, when really if he didn’t speak them then we wouldn’t know he had them so couldn’t be okay with them.

14-05-2019 8:38am

I've no interest in hearing what this Pastor has to say, but I fear that banning people from entering the country, because we they inspire hate is wrong.

As previous posters have mentioned, banning him wont make much difference to people who believe in what he has to say. There is an internet out there, where I'm sure you can find all of his videos/speeches/etc.
We should probably ban the internet, so that his speeches can't be accessed

What we really should be focusing on, is why people listen to him, and follow his ideas. Lets figure that out, and see if we can help the people who might be filled with hate. Banning the pastor wont change these peoples thoughts, and has just brought further attention to him.
I have never heard of this man before, and now I have.

B0jangles · 14-05-2019 8:51am

Letting people like this in to spread hate has real-world consequences.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/how-uganda-was-seduced-by-anti-gay-conservative-evangelicals-9193593.html

One of the first to investigate links between American conservatives and the African anti-gay movement was Kipya Kaoma, a Zambian clergyman living in Boston. Homosexuality was illegal in Uganda under existing colonial laws, he explained, “But nobody was ever arrested or prosecuted based on those old laws. People turned a blind eye to it. Homosexuality was not a political issue.”

That changed in 2009, Rev Kaoma said, when a group of American evangelicals led by Pastor Scott Lively, a self-proclaimed expert on the “gay movement”, held a series of talks in Uganda. Mr Lively warned audiences that the “evil institution” of homosexuality sought to “prey upon” and recruit Ugandan children in a bid to “defeat the marriage-based society”.

Dr Frank Mugisha, director of the LGBT rights organisation, Sexual Minorities Uganda (Smug), recently told The Independent on Sunday, “[The idea] of a gay agenda, of recruiting people to homosexuality – that language wasn't used in Uganda pre-2009. [Lively] made my work very difficult and was conspiring with my legislators, but [to Ugandans] he was like God himself. People were worshipping him as if he was from heaven.”

It's extremely easy to be all 'let them speak and let their arguments be debunked with RATIONALITY' when it's not you they want to exterminate. They don't have rational arguments or rational postions - all they have is bigotry and hatred.

salmocab · 14-05-2019 8:52am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've no interest in hearing what this Pastor has to say, but I fear that banning people from entering the country, because we they inspire hate is wrong.

As previous posters have mentioned, banning him wont make much difference to people who believe in what he has to say. There is an internet out there, where I'm sure you can find all of his videos/speeches/etc.
We should probably ban the internet, so that his speeches can't be accessed

What we really should be focusing on, is why people listen to him, and follow his ideas. Lets figure that out, and see if we can help the people who might be filled with hate. Banning the pastor wont change these peoples thoughts, and has just brought further attention to him.
I have never heard of this man before, and now I have.

But you would have heard of him regardless once he was here, this thread was started before there was an inkling of the government stopping him coming. He would have made all the papers wherever he ended up preaching.
Banning people from entering the country because they inspire hate seems like a very good idea to me.

14-05-2019 9:00am

salmocab wrote: »

But you would have heard of him regardless once he was here, this thread was started before there was an inkling of the government stopping him coming. He would have made all the papers wherever he ended up preaching.
Banning people from entering the country because they inspire hate seems like a very good idea to me.

Just to clarify, this pastor sounds like an idiot, and I would seriously judge anyone who went to listen to him speak.
My concern is, that determining what equates to inspiring hate is not binary.
I fear that one banning leads to another, and then another.
If this guy becomes the precedence for who should be banned, and then next year, someone who is 99% as hateful tries to come to Ireland, and he gets banned, then he becomes the precedence, and so on, and so on. Eventually we get to the situation, where someone who doesn't like your football team gets banned, as he speaks badly of their fans.

salmocab · 14-05-2019 9:03am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just to clarify, this pastor sounds like an idiot, and I would seriously judge anyone who went to listen to him speak.
My concern is, that determining what equates to inspiring hate is not binary.
I fear that one banning leads to another, and then another.
If this guy becomes the precedence for who should be banned, and then next year, someone who is 99% as hateful tries to come to Ireland, and he gets banned, then he becomes the precedence, and so on, and so on. Eventually we get to the situation, where someone who doesn't like your football team gets banned, as he speaks badly of their fans.

We’ve had one person banned in 20 years, I don’t think there is any danger of ministers going off banning supporters of Real Madrid on a whim.

Annasopra · 14-05-2019 9:04am

Deleted User wrote: »

I've no interest in hearing what this Pastor has to say, but I fear that banning people from entering the country, because we they inspire hate is wrong.

As previous posters have mentioned, banning him wont make much difference to people who believe in what he has to say. There is an internet out there, where I'm sure you can find all of his videos/speeches/etc.
We should probably ban the internet, so that his speeches can't be accessed

What we really should be focusing on, is why people listen to him, and follow his ideas. Lets figure that out, and see if we can help the people who might be filled with hate. Banning the pastor wont change these peoples thoughts, and has just brought further attention to him.
I have never heard of this man before, and now I have.

Why is incitement to hatred ok? Why do you think its ok to actually call for lgbt people to be murdered because they are lgbt?

salmocab · 14-05-2019 9:09am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Why is incitement to hatred ok? Why do you think its ok to actually call for lgbt people to be murdered because they are lgbt?

Ah In fairness he wasn’t making that point at all.

14-05-2019 9:16am

salmocab and joeytheparrot I think this deserves a good debate. Something I dont have the time for at the moment.
I hope you dont think I'm defending this pastor, or what he believes in. That's not the case at all.

My fear is we go down a slippery slope of banning more and more people because they upset the majority, and we go down the route of over policing.

If I have time this evening, I will return, and hopefully join in the debate again

Extreme hate preacher banned from all Europe to visit Ireland

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