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Extreme hate preacher banned from all Europe to visit Ireland

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    #2
    Ten of Swords
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    In this video he is talking about the Pulse nightclub shooting where 49 patrons of a gay bar were murdered. If you don't watch the whole thing at least skip ahead and listen to 2.05 - 2.20. I have no words.

    This is what he stands for;



    His planned meeting point (if he is allowed to land) is McDonalds on the Corballis Road (just next to the airport) at 9am. He details his itinerary in the below video starting at 6.30

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    #3
    Annasopra
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    He is now bsnned from Netherlands

    https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/05/death-to-gays-preacher-steven-anderson-banned-from-netherlands/

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    suicide_circus
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    he even hates the Rosary rattlers!


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    #5
    branie2
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    And rightly so


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    Annasopra
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    branie2 wrote: »
    And rightly so

    Rightly so to?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Rightly so to?

    Hating catholics. I assume.


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    #8
    branie2
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    That the hate preacher was banned


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    #9
    Danzy
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    He should be banned but his views would not be outline in many centres of worship here or in Britain or Europe.


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    JupiterKid
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    It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if this piece of dog excrement is an extreme closet case...


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    [Deleted User]
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    JupiterKid wrote:
    It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if this piece of dog excrement is an extreme closet case...

    FFS. This trope is ridiculous


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    Annasopra
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    FFS. This trope is ridiculous

    It happens regularly

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    declantm
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    I'm so gonna get banned but I'm in two minds when it comes to free speech. Should we let people like Anderson and Westboro Baptist Church into Ireland to spout they're hate filled diatribe and let people see how horrible and nasty they are or should we just ban them outright?


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    Ten of Swords
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    Free speech should not, and does not, include hate speech. Dutch minister for Justice Mark Harbers summed it up perfectly last week I thought
    There is no place in a democratic nation like ours for discrimination, incitement to hatred or intolerance and violence on any grounds...

    Civil liberties are not a license for intolerant behaviour that limits the freedoms of others...

    The government is committed to taking strong action against extremist speakers who, by spreading their beliefs. restrict the freedoms of others or incite people to hatred or violence.

    The Dutch ban has meant he is banned from the entire Schengen area and the UK previously banned him. I think Ireland is the only EU nation he is not banned from (open to correction). It is a pity Ireland is too spineless to take a stand and ban this preacher.

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    declantm
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    In the USA hate speech is allowed, so people like Anderson are allowed to constantly spread their vitriol and hatred but in Europe we're on the fence. We have several general policy recommendations but nothing outright banning hate speech. I agree that Ireland should ban him, but I would like to see what the post reaction to his obscene ramblings would show. I would expect most people wouldn't even notice he was here. In fairness, at most he's a blip on the radar.


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    cj maxx
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    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    In this video he is talking about the Pulse nightclub shooting where 49 patrons of a gay bar were murdered. If you don't watch the whole thing at least skip ahead and listen to 2.05 - 2.20. I have no words.

    This is what he stands for;



    His planned meeting point (if he is allowed to land) is McDonalds on the Corballis Road (just next to the airport) at 9am. He details his itinerary in the below video starting at 6.30


    Forced myself to finish watching one of the videos . Pure unadulterated shyte!
    I hope he gets lynched if he sets foot in Ireland


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    lottpaul
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    Glad to say he has been banned - the first person to be excluded from the country under laws introduced in 1999.


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    Ten of Swords
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    Remarkable, I honestly thought Ireland didn't have the bottle to issue a ban order.

    The cynical part of me genuinely wonders if this is in any part influenced by the local elections.

    In any case I'm glad he won't be bringing his vitriol to Ireland and even if his event does still go ahead (he has previously said he lined up alternate speakers if he is banned) it sends a clear message to those who would come to Ireland and preach intolerance.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anti-gay-preacher-is-first-ever-banned-from-ireland-under-exclusion-powers-1.3889848

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    #19
    Danzy
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    The only message it sends is don't have those views and be a preaching Pastor.


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    Ten of Swords wrote:
    In any case I'm glad he won't be bringing his vitriol to Ireland and even if his event does still go ahead (he has previously said he lined up alternate speakers if he is banned) it sends a clear message to those who would come to Ireland and preach intolerance.

    Can you not see any irony in that statement?


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    #21
    Goodshape
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can you not see any irony in that statement?

    Intolerance of extreme hate preachers is, I think, something we can live with.


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    Goodshape wrote:
    Intolerance of extreme hate preachers is, I think, something we can live with.

    I can't. I don't like the idea that we can shut down people's right to say what they believe in just because we don't agree with it.

    I'd prefer to be able to hear what my opponents have to say rather than give them credence by making their words unspeakable.

    But sure, as long as you don't hear anything that offends you, life is good.


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    salmocab
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I can't. I don't like the idea that we can shut down people's right to say what they believe in just because we don't agree with it.

    I'd prefer to be able to hear what my opponents have to say rather than give them credence by making their words unspeakable.

    But sure, as long as you don't hear anything that offends you, life is good.

    Nobody is shutting down his right to say what he believes just where he can be when he says it.


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    #24
    eviltwin
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    What venue was due to host him does anyone know?


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    #25
    Edgarfrndly
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I can't. I don't like the idea that we can shut down people's right to say what they believe in just because we don't agree with it.

    I'd prefer to be able to hear what my opponents have to say rather than give them credence by making their words unspeakable.

    But sure, as long as you don't hear anything that offends you, life is good.

    He can say whatever he wants. He is not a citizen of this state and as such does not have a right to be here. Entry into Ireland is a privilege and that privilege can be revoked. His intention was to come here to preach hate.

    How many times does this have to be said so people like you understand it?


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    RobbingBandit
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    Who do I contact about background checks on unverified immigration flowing into this country on a weekly basis.


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    Edgarfrndly
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    RobbingBandit wrote: »
    Who do I contact about background checks on unverified immigration flowing into this country on a weekly basis.

    If you think someone is here illegally, you can always report them. EU citizens don't require background checks as they have a legal right to be here.

    Anything else?


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    eagle eye
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    I'm tempted to contact him and read out what he wants said.
    I wouldn't agree with anything he has to say and it would be very tough for me to read it out but I don't like people being prevented from airing their opinions.
    Banning him from coming into the country because you disagree with his beliefs is ludicrous.
    Nanny state mentality like we can't look after ourselves.


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    #29
    RobbingBandit
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    A whole lot of effort has gone into investigating this guy yet thousands come through the borders here unchecked whom ever did the checking on this guy why aren't they using that shrewd sense for more productive means


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    paw patrol
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I can't. I don't like the idea that we can shut down people's right to say what they believe in just because we don't agree with it.

    I'd prefer to be able to hear what my opponents have to say rather than give them credence by making their words unspeakable.

    But sure, as long as you don't hear anything that offends you, life is good.

    its clearly a case of ban the people I don't like
    a worrying development


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    tritriagain
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    Banning him only gives him more publicity. If you agree with what he says this will not change your mind. You should be able to listen to these people and then just say" aw would u ever rev up and fu## off."


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