The Batman (Matt Reeves) spoilers from post 1030

Oafley Jones · 05-09-2019 10:17am

Tazzimus wrote: »

Cavill looked very healthy, and just how you'd expect Superman to look, buff as ****.

I hate Buff Superman. How's he keeping that physique? Reeves look for me.

Tazzimus · 05-09-2019 10:30am

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I hate Buff Superman. How's he keeping that physique? Reeves look for me.

Superman should be the one hero that looks mega buff, he's an almost invincible alien.

I imagine a lot of working out, it's probably a hobby for him, similar to the Rock.
Plus for the super ripped topless shots, there's probably a bit of dehydration going on to make him pop a bit more, plus a few push ups etc just before the camera rolls.

the baby bull elephant · 05-09-2019 11:12am

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I hate Buff Superman. How's he keeping that physique? Reeves look for me.

Reeves trained with David Prowse and put on 20kg to play Superman. He was plenty buff by the standards of the time.

The suns radiation is meant to have the growth effect on him. In one alternate comic where he was kept away from the sun he was skinny and frail.

Goodshape · 05-09-2019 1:02pm

Well, unhealthy or not – I didn't like the aesthetic.

Superman doesn't need to look buff. He's Superman. He was lifting cars and outrunning trains as a toddler. Actual muscles have nothing to do with it.

Batman is a human and relies on gadgets, tech, stealth, and brain power. Not a lumbering bruiser. The uber-muscle look just reminds me that none of this is real.

pixelburp · 05-09-2019 1:21pm

Thing is, Zack Synder (and I think Geoff Johns too) are obsessed with the "New God's" trope that often threads through superhero stories, particularly DC given it has actual gods in its universe. Wasn't hard to spot given the number of laboured Christ imagery used in Man of Steel and BvS. Mixed with a little bit of the ubermensch mentality more noticeable in BvS and I think it's no wonder the DCverse has had an exaggerated physicality. Its creators love the notion of heroes as hypermasculine physical specimens

The White Wolf · 05-09-2019 2:17pm

Goodshape wrote: »

Well, unhealthy or not – I didn't like the aesthetic.

Superman doesn't need to look buff. He's Superman. He was lifting cars and outrunning trains as a toddler. Actual muscles have nothing to do with it.

Batman is a human and relies on gadgets, tech, stealth, and brain power. Not a lumbering bruiser. The uber-muscle look just reminds me that none of this is real.

To be fair, there was a clamour amongst the dedicated fan base to get more comic book faithful renditions of their superheroes once Nolan finished his trilogy and WB were moving forward with their shared universe. That's probably one of the reasons Snyder was put at the helm of it all; if nothing else they thought he'd bring the fans' imaginations to life. Check out some of the renditions of the characters on paper and they're absolutely absurd.

Affleck, Cavill and even Momoa probably felt that pressure and I doubt they actually enjoyed the day to day toil of it (well perhaps the exception is Cavill). Using hindsight I'm sure most of the fans will be happy with a good film and a somewhat faithful adaptation.

Tazzimus · 05-09-2019 2:20pm

The White Wolf wrote: »

To be fair, there was a clamour amongst the dedicated fan base to get more comic book faithful renditions of their superheroes once Nolan finished his trilogy and WB were moving forward with their shared universe. That's probably one of the reasons Snyder was put at the helm of it all; if nothing else they thought he'd bring the fans' imaginations to life. Check out some of the renditions of the characters on paper and they're absolutely absurd.

Affleck, Cavill and even Momoa probably felt that pressure and I doubt they actually enjoyed the day to day toil of it (well perhaps the exception is Cavill). Using hindsight I'm sure most of the fans will be happy with a good film and a somewhat faithful adaptation.

To be fair, Cavill and Momoa are generally in great shape anyway, so doubt it was as much strain on them as, say, Affleck.

JP Liz V1 · 05-09-2019 10:22pm

Brief_Lives wrote: »

So, he's not going to work out?
at least affkeck and Bale worked out...

JP Liz V1 · 13-09-2019 12:40am

Eddie Redmayne interested in playing Riddler

Cotts72 · 24-09-2019 12:06am

Jeffrey Wright in talks to play Commissioner Gordon. Jonah Hill rumoured for the penguin role

Goodshape · 24-09-2019 10:58am

Weary of rumours, but this all sounds like pretty good casting so far.

JP Liz V1 · 24-09-2019 2:41pm

Cotts72 wrote: »

Jeffrey Wright in talks to play Commissioner Gordon. Jonah Hill rumoured for the penguin role

Hill could be decent in that role

Agent Coulson · 24-09-2019 3:33pm

Jonah Hill now in talks to play the Riddler.

‘The Batman': Jonah Hill in Talks to Play Riddler

Jonah Hill is in negotiations to play the Riddler in Matt Reeves’ “The Batman,” an individual with knowledge of the project told TheWrap.

Robert Pattinson is set to star as the Dark Knight. Reeves took over the directing gig after Ben Affleck stepped away from the role. Affleck was also expected to play Batman again but then said he would be hanging up the cape for good. Reeves has since described the film as a “defining” and “very personal” story about the Dark Knight, rather than an origin story in the vein of Frank Miller’s beloved “Year One” series.

For months now, reports have said Hill was the frontrunner to play the antagonist the Penguin

https://www.thewrap.com/the-batman-jonah-hill-in-talks-to-play-riddler/

The Late Late Show · 24-09-2019 8:50pm

Sounds like this will be a good film. Always love a good Batman movie but the 1989 one will always bring back the fondest memories for me.

expectationlost · 24-09-2019 10:10pm

we've been hearing about this movie for so long and they are still casting?

TheIrishGrover · 26-09-2019 12:48pm

Cotts72 wrote: »

Jeffrey Wright in talks to play Commissioner Gordon. Jonah Hill rumoured for the penguin role

Saw that. I think Jeffrey Wright is a great choice as Gordon. nice gravitas to the man. Great actor.

I like Jonah Hill too and like his dramatic work (Especially Moneyball).

But do we really need another reboot? What is this, Spiderman? I have no problem with them making new movies. For me, it will always be Nolan's Trilogy and The Animated Series but I have no problem with them continuing the movies and thing Patterson is a fine choice.

But come on, The Penguin again? There are more characters out there than The Penguin, The Joker, Harvey Dent and Celina Kyle. Sure, they might be the most well known but let's be honest, the film will not have the expectation of the Nolan Trilogy (Rightly or wrongly) so why not use different characters, more risky characters.

Even if you do want to use more well known characters, depending on your tone, you could do interesting things with The Riddler character (Think Spacey's John Doe in Seven).

kdevitt · 26-09-2019 1:20pm

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Saw that. I think Jeffrey Wright is a great choice as Gordon. nice gravitas to the man. Great actor.

I like Jonah Hill too and like his dramatic work (Especially Moneyball).

But do we really need another reboot? What is this, Spiderman? I have no problem with them making new movies. For me, it will always be Nolan's Trilogy and The Animated Series but I have no problem with them continuing the movies and thing Patterson is a fine choice.

But come on, The Penguin again? There are more characters out there than The Penguin, The Joker, Harvey Dent and Celina Kyle. Sure, they might be the most well known but let's be honest, the film will not have the expectation of the Nolan Trilogy (Rightly or wrongly) so why not use different characters, more risky characters.

Even if you do want to use more well known characters, depending on your tone, you could do interesting things with The Riddler character (Think Spacey's John Doe in Seven).

They really led themselves down a dead end with the recent approach of an older Batman - not much room for manoeuvre after that.

This will be separate canon to the DCEU by all accounts, and will be borrowing from The Long Halloween apparently - so will more than likely feature an array of the classic villains.

TheIrishGrover · 26-09-2019 2:12pm

kdevitt wrote: »

They really led themselves down a dead end with the recent approach of an older Batman - not much room for manoeuvre after that.

This will be separate canon to the DCEU by all accounts, and will be borrowing from The Long Halloween apparently - so will more than likely feature an array of the classic villains.

I'm always wary when movies (Usually sequels) bring in multiple bad guys. It always makes them unfocused.

The last couple of the first Batman movies (the ones starting with Burton's movie): Bane, Mr. freeze, Poison Ivy and The Riddler & Two Face. Now I know these had FAR more problems than multiple enemies but it didn't help.

Sam Raimi's Spiderman 3: Sandman, Venom, Green Goblin 2

Even The Dark Knight Rises was the weakest given you had Bane, Talia, cameo from Scarecrow.

Sure, you had The Joker and Two-Face in The Dark Knight but Two-Face was more of a tragic hero in this rather than an out-and-out baddie.

I mean... I am kind of interested in this: Matt Reeves is a decent director if not the most exciting. Patterson is a good choice as Batman. Wright is a VERY good choice as Gordon and Hill is also a fine dramatic actor. Put it this way: It ain't Justice League.......

Goodshape · 26-09-2019 3:28pm

Have we seen much of Penguin in the movies since Batman Returns though? Or The Riddler since Batman Forever.

Doesn't feel like they've been overdone anyway. Yet-another-Joker might be pushing it but can't see that happening, unless they work in a connection with this new Joker stand alone film.

pixelburp · 26-09-2019 4:07pm

Yeah, I wouldn't say The Riddler or Penguin are overdone; they've been on the big screen once and that was 25 years ago at this stage. Certainly the portrayals were pretty noteworthy, with DeVito's penguin a macabre monster, while Jim Carrey was at the heigh of his powers playing the Riddler - but there's a clear stretch of runway for some new interpretations.

I quite liked the "Arkham" series' version of Penguin, the crimeboss hobbling around, his monocle a broken bottle lodged in his skull. It was a bit ludicrous looking but very striking.

JP Liz V1 · 26-09-2019 4:15pm

I did like Riddler and Penguin on the tv show Gotham but yes they have not featured much in films unlike Joker

26-09-2019 11:40pm

I'd love to see the ventriloquist in a real world setting film against Bats. There's so many bad guys in the batverse that it's a bit of a shame they always fall on the regulars.

PTH2009 · 26-09-2019 11:47pm

Is this part of the DCEU and Ben Afflecks batman just disappeared and a new bruce Wayne showed up

The White Wolf · 27-09-2019 6:42am

PTH2009 wrote: »

Is this part of the DCEU and Ben Afflecks batman just disappeared and a new bruce Wayne showed up

Separate for now. If Pattinson does well I imagine they'll pull some multi-earths trick to get him in a film with Gadot.

Baggly · 27-09-2019 8:50am

The White Wolf wrote: »

Separate for now. If Pattinson does well I imagine they'll pull some multi-earths trick to get him in a film with Gadot.

Yes....some form of......flashpoint paradox.....

kerplun k · 27-09-2019 9:00am

I think WB are going to do a version of flashpoint in WW84

peteeeed · 14-10-2019 10:47pm

We have a catwoman

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/batman-robert-pattinson-zoe-kravitz-catwoman/

Lithium93_ · 14-10-2019 10:49pm

peteeeed wrote: »

We have a catwoman

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/batman-robert-pattinson-zoe-kravitz-catwoman/

You beat me to it.

peteeeed · 14-10-2019 11:07pm

Maybe jonah hill will be announced soon

1800_Ladladlad · 14-10-2019 11:14pm

I'm really not that interested in seeing the Catwoman character at all. Kravitz doesn't appeal to me as an actress. This is a downer for me

The White Wolf · 15-10-2019 7:50am

Interesting way to make it up to someone who felt she the victim of racism when refused a chance to audition for TDKR.

She's decent in the films I've seen her in but I was hoping for something more spectacular. Then again based on the shortlist I've seen shared previously, of which Kravitz was on, she's probably the best of the lot.

Edit stole from elsewhere:

Did Readings:
ana de armas
eiza gonzalez
ella balinska

Rumored about Week Ago:
zazie beetz (booked elsewhere but seriously considered)
tessa thompson
lupita nyong'o
logan browning
alexandra shipp
Gugu Mbatha-Raw

Those who actually read is probably the actual shortlist - the rumoured list sounds like pie in the sky stuff though I would been delighted if GMR was cast.

JP Liz V1 · 15-10-2019 2:16pm

The White Wolf wrote: »

Interesting way to make it up to someone who felt she the victim of racism when refused a chance to audition for TDKR.

She's decent in the films I've seen her in but I was hoping for something more spectacular. Then again based on the shortlist I've seen shared previously, of which Kravitz was on, she's probably the best of the lot.

Edit stole from elsewhere:

Did Readings:
ana de armas
eiza gonzalez
ella balinska

Rumored about Week Ago:
zazie beetz (booked elsewhere but seriously considered)
tessa thompson
lupita nyong'o
logan browning
alexandra shipp
Gugu Mbatha-Raw

Those who actually read is probably the actual shortlist - the rumoured list sounds like pie in the sky stuff though I would been delighted if GMR was cast.

Zazie Beetz (Joker and Deadpool 2) if she was Selina Kyle/Catwoman too might be a tad confusing

Zoe Kravitz is Catwoman in Lego Batman

Baggly · 15-10-2019 2:41pm

IRL, she is 'Aquaman's' stepdaughter.

Goodshape · 15-10-2019 4:17pm

Catwoman seems to be a difficult one to get right.

Seems to wobble between:

Love interest.
Villain.
Anti-hero.
Hero.
Basically a female/feminist Batman.

Hope they can strike a good balance this time. Feel like Batman Returns still sets the bar for this one.

Quazzie · 15-10-2019 4:28pm

So we have Mr Sparkles as Batman and now we have a new love interest for him.

This is definitely going to be more twilight than TDKR.

pixelburp · 15-10-2019 4:32pm

No, we have indie actor Robert Pattinson, whose CV in the last 10 years has involved some varied, complex characters, perfect for Batman that often plays on the duality of Wayne's existence.

This is also the third appearance of Catwoman, and the films managed to do OK without going "Twilight"

JP Liz V1 · 15-10-2019 4:34pm

Did Zoe and Rob act together before or maybe was it dated?

Lithium93_ · 15-10-2019 4:35pm

No matter what Robert Pattinson does, he'll always have the tag of "That guy from Twilight" hanging over him.

the whole year inn · 15-10-2019 4:36pm

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

I'm really not that interested in seeing the Catwoman character at all. Kravitz doesn't appeal to me as an actress. This is a downer for me

Not interested in Catwomen either and not a fan of hers.
But who am I kidding , I am going to watch this and any other batman related movies/tv shows.

Homelander · 16-10-2019 11:04am

Kravitz is good in Big Little Lies. Happy enough with the choice.

pixelburp · 16-10-2019 11:39am

I think by now, the Batman film series has had enough surprise casting choices that worked out well, that we should give anyone the benefit of the doubt; Pattinson & Kravitz are both young, talented actors with a plethora of meaty roles to know that - if the script is good - this could be a good one.

In light of Joker showing there's an appetite for something beyond big splashy thrills, here's hoping DC give Reeves et al some latitude to make the film they want. They probably won't, 'cos Batman sells toys, but we can dream.

JP Liz V1 · 17-10-2019 1:36am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Jonah Hill now in talks to play the Riddler.

‘The Batman': Jonah Hill in Talks to Play Riddler

https://www.thewrap.com/the-batman-jonah-hill-in-talks-to-play-riddler/

https://deadline.com/2019/10/jonah-hill-no-longer-circling-the-batman-1202760771/

talks broke down

The White Wolf · 17-10-2019 3:41pm

Can't see Seth Rogan in this. I think Hill was meant to fill the esteemed Oscar nominated/winner quota so they must be looking at more actors that fit that mould.

They need some big, respected names, to pad out the rogues gallery. Funnily enough I'd love to see Jake Gyllenhaal as the Riddler. I don't think MCU will need him again.

brevity · 17-10-2019 3:49pm

Crispin Glover would be a good riddler.

Tazzimus · 17-10-2019 3:49pm

The White Wolf wrote: »

Can't see Seth Rogan in this. I think Hill was meant to fill the esteemed Oscar nominated/winner quota so they must be looking at more actors that fit that mould.

They need some big, respected names, to pad out the rogues gallery. Funnily enough I'd love to see Jake Gyllenhaal as the Riddler. I don't think MCU will need him again.

Jesse Eisenberg would have been a good Riddler, if they hadn't cast him as Lex already.

Effects · 17-10-2019 3:58pm

brevity wrote: »

Crispin Glover would be a good riddler.

Bit too unreliable.

Tazzimus wrote: »

Jesse Eisenberg would have been a good Riddler, if they hadn't cast him as Lex already.

He was terrible as Lex, why would he be good as the Riddler?

Tazzimus · 17-10-2019 3:59pm

Effects wrote: »

Bit too unreliable.

He was terrible as Lex, why would he be good as the Riddler?

He's the wrong kind of actor to play Lex, but would suit Riddler quite well, with his little quirks.

brevity · 17-10-2019 4:01pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

Jesse Eisenberg would have been a good Riddler, if they hadn't cast him as Lex already.

I think he would just remind me of Mark Zuckerberg.

Mickeroo · 17-10-2019 4:03pm

brevity wrote: »

I think he would just remind me of Mark Zuckerberg.

I think that's what they were going for with casting him as Lex in the first place. Wasn't a bad idea imo but Eisenberg made a mess of it.

kerplun k · 17-10-2019 4:08pm

Josh Gad for penguin, Jk...

Having just watched El Camino, I'm thinking Jesse Plemons would make a good penguin.
And before anyone points it out, I'm fully aware that I make terrible casting choices.

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