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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    This was always likely to happen! He deserves serious consideration from a number of teams after what he's done with the Colts this year!! Hopefully if he does move on then it's to a good team like the Bears rather than the Bills or the Browns!

    From an OC point of view I've been critical at times of some of his play calling this year! I would have like to see plays designed to get Luck deliberately out of the pocket and also the ball out of Lucks hands a lot quicker! This is purely to do with our shocking O-line and my fear that Luck will get injured (though he is a beast!!)! The big thing with Arians though is that he's been like a father figure to Luck this year when needed! After Luck has made bad plays (which he has, he's a rookie!!) you can see Arians put his arm around Luck, calm him down and get him focused for the next drive!! From that point of view I'd like to see him stay as I think himself and luck are quite close! Though as Luck develops and matures this will be less needed!!

    Anyway we have a certain playoff game (hopefully more) to take care of this weekend before BA can even consider a HC job!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    taidghbaby wrote: »
    This was always likely to happen! He deserves serious consideration from a number of teams after what he's done with the Colts this year!! Hopefully if he does move on then it's to a good team like the Bears rather than the Bills or the Browns!

    From an OC point of view I've been critical at times of some of his play calling this year! I would have like to see plays designed to get Luck deliberately out of the pocket and also the ball out of Lucks hands a lot quicker! This is purely to do with our shocking O-line and my fear that Luck will get injured (though he is a beast!!)! The big thing with Arians though is that he's been like a father figure to Luck this year when needed! After Luck has made bad plays (which he has, he's a rookie!!) you can see Arians put his arm around Luck, calm him down and get him focused for the next drive!! From that point of view I'd like to see him stay as I think himself and luck are quite close! Though as Luck develops and matures this will be less needed!!

    Anyway we have a certain playoff game (hopefully more) to take care of this weekend before BA can even consider a HC job!!
    He plays a very bold, vertical game. He's really taken risks at times; at times Luck has struggled with it, but when it has counted, it's been a success (18 INTs, but SEVEN 4th quarter comebacks). I think another off-season to get to grips with it, and a better O-line and a few more targets, not to mention Luck's maturity, and we can have an elite Offense (I'm talking New England/Denver good). That's why I really want him to stay. Despite going 11-5, I want to see what this O can really do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    davyjose wrote: »
    He plays a very bold, vertical game. He's really taken risks at times; at times Luck has struggled with it, but when it has counted, it's been a success (18 INTs, but SEVEN 4th quarter comebacks). I think another off-season to get to grips with it, and a better O-line and a few more targets, not to mention Luck's maturity, and we can have an elite Offense (I'm talking New England/Denver good). That's why I really want him to stay. Despite going 11-5, I want to see what this O can really do.
    Luck will definitely benefit from his experience this year! He is being asked and expected to stand tall in the pocket and wait for receivers to get open!!

    I don't want to see BA go either btw! But Luck is the most important part of out offence by far!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Just looking back over our draft for the season; what a hugely successful draft that was for us. Maybe our best ever: Five of our first 6 picks are all taking a lot of snaps, and Chapman is the only one of that 6 who missed out, and had it not been for injury, he was a dead cert to start. Then you have LaVonn Brazill playing his par too. Add all our free agancy pickups and trades and makes you wonder how much of a free ride Polian was on the last few years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Looks likes bug is about the Colts team this week. Nice bloody timing. Hopefully it wont get too out of hand, and I wonder how safe it is for pagano to be around?

    http://www.stampedeblue.com/2013/1/3/3832054/illness-making-the-rounds-at-colts-complex-bruce-arians-visits-doctor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Could be considering a break for us with the way Gringson has assembled this rostr every pick matters, and god knows what gem he might pick up that low down....
    Colts CB Vontae Davis played just short of 65 percent threshold, now Dolphins only will get Colts 2nd-rd pick not their 6th too, per sources


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Best of luck today lads, if you pardon the pun. Dying to see Manning v Luck in the divisional round.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭McG


    we didn't get going at all today on offence. I'm sure the experience of a playoff game will be valuable to all those young players though so there's something positive to be taken out of it.

    we should have a heap of money to spend in free agency and most of our picks (all except round 2 I think) in the draft to try improve the team in some key areas like o-line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    McG wrote: »
    we didn't get going at all today on offence. I'm sure the experience of a playoff game will be valuable to all those young players though so there's something positive to be taken out of it.

    we should have a heap of money to spend in free agency and most of our picks (all except round 2 I think) in the draft to try improve the team in some key areas like o-line.

    o-line, a safety, a CB, a second WR with hilton in the slot and a few more pieces on the D.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    Raf32 wrote: »

    o-line, a safety, a CB, a second WR with hilton in the slot and a few more pieces on the D.
    We're gonna need at least one rush line backer too!! Don't see dwight freeney being back unless he restructures his deal!!

    So disappointed tonight! Ravens deserved the win but with better execution we could have put ourselves in with a chance tonight! Anyway next year looks really bright!! Can't wait!! :))


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Raf32 wrote: »
    o-line, a safety, a CB, a second WR with hilton in the slot and a few more pieces on the D.

    Draft for OL, Mike Wallace (Arians connection) and maybe Tracy Porter? Vaughn is not good enough except on return duty, we cut him for a reason


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Been offline for a few days - watched the game in a bar which turned into a major session. Got back and the net was down.

    Very disappointed in the game. All due respect to Baltimore, Flacco found his early season form and Boldin looked like he did in his Warner days. Aside from that I have nothing good to say. We have played some good teams this year and never failed to cross the endzone. A small bit of blame lies with Luck: only that he's TOO brave in the pocket, costing us a possible go ahead score on a fumble which gave them the impetus.
    I only partially blame him though, because that O-line... oh my God that O-line. It was literally like they weren't there at times. On a number of plays it was just a straight sprint to Luck who had seconds to throw it.
    I'm not gutted because although I hoped for a win, we had no chance of beating Peyton. And I'm not sure I was ready to see him beat us. And unlike Polian and his lackeys, Grigson and Chuck now know where to build. The O-line, and a nose tackle, keep Reggie and BA, and were set for another playoff season.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Lads, now our season's over (and a successful one it was) and with $43 million cap space, who can we pick up in the free agency?

    I see Jake Long is a Free Agent this year. He's gone off the boil a bit, but with some Chuckstrong motivation, he could be a very nice pick up.

    Greg Jennings and Wes Welker are also free agents. Strong possibility neither of those will be retained.

    Richard Seymour and Ed Reed might be a shot for a year or two???

    Any ideas?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Stay away from Paul Kruger :mad: :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Paully D wrote: »
    Stay away from Paul Kruger :mad: :pac:

    Would love him, but don't think he'll leave.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    davyjose wrote: »
    Lads, now our season's over (and a successful one it was) and with $43 million cap space, who can we pick up in the free agency?

    I see Jake Long is a Free Agent this year. He's gone off the boil a bit, but with some Chuckstrong motivation, he could be a very nice pick up.

    Greg Jennings and Wes Welker are also free agents. Strong possibility neither of those will be retained.

    Richard Seymour and Ed Reed might be a shot for a year or two???

    Any ideas?
    I'd like Welker!! We don't really have a threat across the middle from a WR (or at least a dependable one)! Would free up reggie to go down the field a bit more too!

    Long I'm not so sure on! Didn't see much of him this year but from what I heard he wasn't as good as previous! Plus Castanzo was our best o-line player by a country mile!!

    Guy I'd love to see us pick up is Chris Ivory! Don't think he's a free agent but the saints have 4 RBs and he didn't get a look in for the most part so they might release him!

    Freeney won't be back and Jerry Hughes was quite enough so well need to pick up an OLB somewhere too!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Paully D wrote: »
    Stay away from Paul Kruger :mad: :pac:
    davyjose wrote: »
    Would love him, but don't think he'll leave.

    Kruger's agent is looking for 9 million per year. Pass rushers get the $$$

    Even with Lewis retiring and maybe Ed Reed that's still too much cap space

    Kruger will hit FA this year

    Oh well, he spent his first year barely seeing the field and his second season as an ineffectual DE.

    Pagano then came in, moved him to OLB and he's been beasting

    And now his contract is up, so much time wasted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,342 ✭✭✭✭That_Guy


    Been offline for quite a while. Incredible season all round considering our record from last year. We've not been pretty to watch at times but somehow we got ourselves into the off season.

    Definitely need to improve our O-Line but our D trying to defend the run was a horror show. The temptation to give Luck some weapons to play with it is there but strengthening the defence should be priority.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    That_Guy wrote: »
    Definitely need to improve our O-Line but our D trying to defend the run was a horror show. The temptation to give Luck some weapons to play with it is there but strengthening the defence should be priority.

    I still feel we're rebuilding though (even though I fully expect to have another shot at the playoffs next season), and I just think that O line is thee priority. We are building the team around Luck, we can't afford to hold off on that for another season. I'll be expecting a 10% increase in completions and a 2:1 TD-INT ratio at least. That'll show the right kind of progress. We've got to be fair to kid and let him grow into the elite QB he's destined to be.

    We do need to work on the D, but it's not the #1 priority IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Despite my previous post, this could be a great opportunity to get Te'o if he falls far enough. We're crying out for a high-calibre MLB, and no better man than Chuck to judge the character of the kid. Definitely think we'll interview him.

    Then... O-line, O-line, O-line :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Was selfishly thinking the same thing last night but didn't want to put a curse on it ha!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Ha ha, it's true though. On the Giants thread they're talking about maybe taking him in the third round (lol). I'm not sure we'd pass him up. Stones throw from his current home too :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Fcukity fcuk fcuk....
    @RapSheet wrote:
    The final details of the contract for Bruce Arians and #Cardinals are being worked out. Not talking money, I'm told. So it's almost done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    I'm genuinely trying to figure out if I'm on the verge of tears, or it's just my cold. I think it's the tears.

    Bollox anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Can't blame him for taking a HC job, but this hurts bad.

    He's a fcuking savage addition for their O.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    Congratulations to BA on his appointment and I hope he does very well!! NFC west is a very tough division now!

    There are two different elements to what BA did for us this year IMO;

    1. His leadership when Chuck got sick was phenomenal and we could and probably would have gotten nowhere near the playoffs had he not been there! I've said it before but he has been a father figure to Luck and they seem from the outside to have a very close relationship! From this point of view he will be a huge loss to the Colts!

    2. From a purely OC point of view I have been critical (in here) of some of his play calling at times! With our OL as it was he IMO called too many passing plays that took too long to develop, which left Luck as a sitting duck! In fairness Luck was able to absorb a lot of the hits, but he looked too much like Big Ben scrambling around at times, for my liking!!

    The real question is will we be able to get someone to replace BA who is as good.....unfortunately I don't think so!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    Ok so here's my grading of our rookies this year:

    Round 1, Pick 1:
    Andrew Luck
    Stats:
    Att: 627
    Comp: 339
    Yards: 4374
    TD: 28
    INT: 18
    Passer Rating: 76.5
    Rushing TDs: 5
    Fumbles: 10

    What can be said about Luck that hasn't already been said! Phenomenal!! If you judge a QB by stats/passer rating (and some do) then there were more impressive QBs this year (rookies included)! However if you have watched the Colts play then you will have seen a QB with probably the worse OL in the NFL, a lack of top quality skill players (bar Reggie) and being asked to take over from the greatest player in the history of the Colts and one of the greats to ever play the game! If I were to list all his positives I'd be here all day, but my favourite is the fact he'll make a bad play or throw a pick and then come straight back in the next series and continue as if it never happened!!
    Needs to work on: reducing the interceptions is important but also ball security needs to be worked on! Sometimes he needs to give up on a play and throw it away or tuck the ball in and give up the sack!
    Worst moment: the pats game! At times in the second and third quarter he looked flapped and confused - the only time I seem that all season!
    Best moment: the game winning drive against the lions! When we got the ball back with less than a minute left I knew we were going to win!! Probably the best drive from a QB I seen all year! That was the first time I truly believed we would get into the playoffs!
    Overall: A - first manning now Luck! Colts must be the luckiest franchise out there!

    Ill edit this and include the rest over the next couple of days!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Just so you know you can only edit it for 48 hours after the original post, so you might be better off making a series of separate posts!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    To be fair both TY Hilton and Ballard impressed as the season wore on; the Colts have a fantastic rookie nucleus on offense - the two rookie tight ends have plenty of potential as well. Bad line but it's overstating it somewhat to say Luck did it without much help.

    The Colts just need to develop those players and not let their strides flatline next season and they'll be challenging for the playoffs again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    taidghbaby wrote: »

    The real question is will we be able to get someone to replace BA who is as good.....unfortunately I don't think so!

    I'm a little bit terrified Clyde Christensen will get the job back. He's a terrible playcaller IMO: too conservative. Say what you want about BA, but his balls-out approach won us a few games we had no right winning.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    davyjose wrote: »

    I'm a little bit terrified Clyde Christensen will get the job back. He's a terrible playcaller IMO: too conservative. Say what you want about BA, but his balls-out approach won us a few games we had no right winning.
    @ Kmart yeah it would be one ridiculously long post so ill do them separately! Rest should be shorter!

    @ syferus - the rookie receivers and Ballard have a great future but how many would have made or played as well on any of the other playoff team! Great future ahead though I agree with ya there

    @ davyjose - unfortunately because BA got the last HC job most of the decent OCs out there are gone!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    taidghbaby wrote: »
    @ davyjose - unfortunately because BA got the last HC job most of the decent OCs out there are gone!

    Agreed, but I'd rather take a punt on an unknown TBH.

    Edit: Stop the presses... looks like Andrew Luck's old OC at Stanford, Pep Hamilton could be leading candidate for the job. That would be a very interesting move. I'm not necessarily saying it's the right move, but it's bold. Which I like.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    davyjose wrote: »

    Agreed, but I'd rather take a punt on an unknown TBH.

    Edit: Stop the presses... looks like Andrew Luck's old OC at Stanford, Pep Hamilton could be leading candidate for the job. That would be a very interesting move. I'm not necessarily saying it's the right move, but it's bold. Which I like.
    Being reported on twitter now he's accepted it! Jim trotter of SI


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    The more I reflect on it, I think it's a very smart move by Indy. It's clear they're doing everything to develop Andrew Luck as an elite QB, as a priority. This guy ran an offensive scheme in which Fleener shone, also. I'd say he, in particular, is over the moon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    He makes sense out of the names that were being mentioned!

    Could be wrong but I presume this will be a lot more short throws! Suit Fleener but not Hilton??

    Although I seem to remember Stanford not having any speedsters so it coul be interesting to see how he uses Hilton, Brazill and Avery!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    taidghbaby wrote: »
    He makes sense out of the names that were being mentioned!

    Could be wrong but I presume this will be a lot more short throws! Suit Fleener but not Hilton??

    Although I seem to remember Stanford not having any speedsters so it coul be interesting to see how he uses Hilton, Brazill and Avery!

    Yup, Luck's completion percentage will skyrocket, but I imagine they'll keep some of the big vertical plays. Could be very interesting alright.

    How long's Reggie got left on his contract BTW?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    davyjose wrote: »

    Yup, Luck's completion percentage will skyrocket, but I imagine they'll keep some of the big vertical plays. Could be very interesting alright.

    How long's Reggie got left on his contract BTW?
    2 years left which would bring him to 36, so that could be it! Although after seeing the pic of the WRs after a gym seasion floating around last summer he could go on longer - he's ripped!!

    Griff Whalen is still on the roster too! Interesting to see how he goes now of he's kept! Not saying he would be, but he could be an answer at slot receiver if collie doesn't come back! Whalen would really be a long shot though from what I've seen!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    taidghbaby wrote: »
    2 years left which would bring him to 36, so that could be it! Although after seeing the pic of the WRs after a gym seasion floating around last summer he could go on longer - he's ripped!!

    Griff Whalen is still on the roster too! Interesting to see how he goes now of he's kept! Not saying he would be, but he could be an answer at slot receiver if collie doesn't come back! Whalen would really be a long shot though from what I've seen!

    Collie's history I reckon. Colts might do him a solid and keep him on the practice squad, but his days as a starting NFL receiver are over. Too much wear and tear. A certain HOF slot receiver up on the east coast might be a free agent this year though ;) I expect we'll be looking at a powerful fullback late in the draft now (perhaps even Stanford's own FB).

    Cool about Reggie. He's bonded so well with Luck, it'd be nice to see them with another few years together. He'll be a big part of Luck's growth as a player.

    By the way, we'll be paying Arians a little visit out in the desert next season. Should be interesting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    davyjose wrote: »

    Collie's history I reckon. Colts might do him a solid and keep him on the practice squad, but his days as a starting NFL receiver are over. Too much wear and tear. A certain HOF slot receiver up on the east coast might be a free agent this year though ;) I expect we'll be looking at a powerful fullback late in the draft now (perhaps even Stanford's own FB).

    Cool about Reggie. He's bonded so well with Luck, it'd be nice to see them with another few years together. He'll be a big part of Luck's growth as a player.

    By the way, we'll be paying Arians a little visit out in the desert next season. Should be interesting.
    Oh yeah I really don't expect to see Collie playin again either!!

    A HOF receiver from the east....whoever might you be talking of....... ;-)

    Mike Wallace will be cut in the off season too! Wouldn't fancy him though I'd say he'll be looking for a big contract! If It came down to him and Welker I'd take Welker every day of the week!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Think Wallace would be the better bet there. Welker is far older and would stunt TY Hilton's growth while Wallace can take the top off defences with his speed.

    Unlikely the Colts will be making such a big splash at WR this year though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    IMO Hilton and Wallace are very similar players! Hilton stretches the field as it is!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    taidghbaby wrote: »
    IMO Hilton and Wallace are very similar players! Hilton stretches the field as it is!

    Size-wise Hilton is only 5''9 so you'l be seeing him doing a lot of slot receiving and quick slants though. Wallace is no Megatron but at 6''0 you'd be alot more comfortable with him in the deep role. Looking at Reggie Wayne's vitals, Wallace is an almost exactly the same weight and height as him.

    Wayne is the one getting on and in need of a replacement being found in the coming years, at least for his #1 role. I don't really think it's much of a need for next season, though. Hilton will actually probably challenge Wayne for the #1 production on the team next season based on how many plays he made in the second half of the season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Confirmed now....
    Stanford offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton has accepted the same position with the Indianapolis Colts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    kmart6 wrote: »
    Confirmed now....

    Certainly trying to make Luck (and Fleener by extension I guess) comfortable. They really need to stick with him for a few years now no mater what because constant change at OC is a big blow to any QB.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭TO.


    Syferus wrote: »
    They really need to stick with him for a few years now no mater what because constant change at OC is a big blow to any QB.

    Not necessarily a big blow. Depends on who the HC is and what QB coach is there also. If the Offense is the HC system then the OC is merely a puppet and play caller controlled by a HC which is common these days. Add a quality QB coach in there and it works well.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    Syferus wrote: »

    Size-wise Hilton is only 5''9 so you'l be seeing him doing a lot of slot receiving and quick slants though. Wallace is no Megatron but at 6''0 you'd be alot more comfortable with him in the deep role. Looking at Reggie Wayne's vitals, Wallace is an almost exactly the same weight and height as him.

    Wayne is the one getting on and in need of a replacement being found in the coming years, at least for his #1 role. I don't really think it's much of a need for next season, though. Hilton will actually probably challenge Wayne for the #1 production on the team next season based on how many plays he made in the second half of the season.
    Hilton may not be the big outside receiver but most of his routes are down field! If anything reggie was doing most the short routes and slants this year! Hilton averaged over 17 yards per reception!

    Anyway as ya said earlier the Colts have so many holes that its unlikely a big name WR will be signed in FA with the group of receivers we already have!! Doesn't stop me wanting welker though!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    TO. wrote: »
    Not necessarily a big blow. Depends on who the HC is and what QB coach is there also. If the Offense is the HC system then the OC is merely a puppet and play caller controlled by a HC which is common these days. Add a quality QB coach in there and it works well.

    That's defo how it is with the D -- Pagano calls and designs most of the plays AFAIK.

    Christensen's a decent QB coach, I just don't like him as a playcaller. Don't see any reason why this new guy won't stick around unless he's an unmitigated disaster. Unlikely really, as he's already had success with Luck and Fleener.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose




    Little pick me up for not having any games to watch for a while.

    It's hard to look at this and not think we've won the lottery with this kid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    This was practically guaranteed as soon as the Patriots made the Championship game!
    Andrew Luck will replace Tom Brady in the Pro Bowl.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Pretty much every Patriot pulled out. Not much love for the Pro Bowl in New England. Should be a decent experience for the lad -- get to know some of the AFC lads he might otherwise not have.


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