Martin Nolan give 1 year to guilty pedo.

Zulu · 31-10-2019 2:41pm #1

Jaysus...

In fariness he's got form. The pedos must pray they end up in front of him.

argentum · 31-10-2019 3:15pm

I have to be honest its a very bad decision. A few weeks ago a man got a suspended sentence for having videos of child sexual abuse and in my mind that's the worst crime and that he is a pedo and not her.
I honestly think that she made a major error and genuinely thought 16 was the age of consent and in fairness to her she waited until then.
He was also in an over 18's nightclub which may have clouded her judgement
I would hold the same view if it was a male teacher and a female student and I'm also of the view that most 16 yr old boys would want to have sex if they could and not be traumatized for life if this did happen to them.
When I was a 16 yr old if I managed to have sex with a woman I would have kept it quiet and not bragged about it
She should have got a suspended sentence in my opinion and her life is now ruined …. I don't believe his is and its more a case of waiting to sue the school

Gatling · 31-10-2019 3:17pm

Joke sentence this is a woman who is a qualified teacher and Very well aware of child protection ,
If it was a male teacher they would have seen a multiple year sentence

votecounts · 31-10-2019 3:18pm

If this was a male teacher, it would have been a tougher sentence and the press would be hounding him calling him all sorts. She should have a proper stretch.

siblers · 31-10-2019 3:20pm

argentum wrote: »

I have to be honest its a very bad decision. A few weeks ago a man got a suspended sentence for having videos of child sexual abuse and in my mind that's the worst crime and that he is a pedo and not her.
I honestly think that she made a major error and genuinely thought 16 was the age of consent and in fairness to her she waited until then.
He was also in an over 18's nightclub which may have clouded her judgement
I would hold the same view if it was a male teacher and a female student and I'm also of the view that most 16 yr old boys would want to have sex if they could and not be traumatized for life if this did happen to them.
When I was a 16 yr old if I managed to have sex with a woman I would have kept it quiet and not bragged about it
She should have got a suspended sentence in my opinion and her life is now ruined …. I don't believe his is and its more a case of waiting to sue the school

She knew he was 15, she waited until he was 16 before she pounced. She groomed and raped him. She was a teacher and has a responsibility to the children she taught. She knew exactly what she was doing and deserves zero sympathy..

If this was a man who did this a 16 year old girl would you be a sympathetic?
You would in your hole

Robert McGrath · 31-10-2019 3:20pm

Four posts in and no South Park references yet?

King of Kings · 31-10-2019 3:23pm

argentum wrote: »

I have to be honest its a very bad decision. A few weeks ago a man got a suspended sentence for having videos of child sexual abuse and in my mind that's the worst crime and that he is a pedo and not her.
I honestly think that she made a major error and genuinely thought 16 was the age of consent and in fairness to her she waited until then.
He was also in an over 18's nightclub which may have clouded her judgement
I would hold the same view if it was a male teacher and a female student and I'm also of the view that most 16 yr old boys would want to have sex if they could and not be traumatized for life if this did happen to them.
When I was a 16 yr old if I managed to have sex with a woman I would have kept it quiet and not bragged about it
She should have got a suspended sentence in my opinion and her life is now ruined …. I don't believe his is and its more a case of waiting to sue the school

She didnt fcuk him in the niteclub unknowingly.

If she did I'd have understanding over a genuine mistake.

She did her crime weeks later knowing her was her student and messaging him throughout that period.

She should have gotten longer...being his teacher should have gotten her a longer sentence than a normal person..duty of care and all that....

Stallingrad · 31-10-2019 3:24pm

What kind of message would it send if she walked?

It's a terrible outcome for her but if the teacher was male everyone would be calling him a predator, and wouldn't be questioning the verdict. Most would say it is too lenient.

jimwallace197 · 31-10-2019 3:25pm

The boy said he suffers stress, migraines, anxiety and feels under pressure.

Definitely setting it up for a claim against the school. He's 18 now and because he had sex when he was 16 with his teacher, he is claiming he is psychologically damaged. What a croc of ****

This country sometimes....

A one year custodial sentence is harsh, very harsh irrespective of the gender

Gatling · 31-10-2019 3:28pm

jimwallace197 wrote: »

A one year custodial sentence is harsh, very harsh irrespective of the gender

How is this sentence harsh

sydthebeat · 31-10-2019 3:29pm

How in God's name could the school be liable??

antix80 · 31-10-2019 3:32pm

Robert McGrath wrote: »

Four posts in and no South Park references yet?

Nice.

Gatling · 31-10-2019 3:33pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

How in God's name could the school be liable??

It's likely that it will be claimed the school failed in its responsibility to protect the child

mr_fegelien · 31-10-2019 3:34pm

Gatling wrote: »

How is this sentence harsh

I really wonder why people tend to be unsatisfied with prison sentences (not just in Ireland, it seems to be a common theme around the world) and believe that jail is too easy for criminals.

I imagine many who say these thinga have never stepped foot inside a prison. Mountjoy, Arbour Hill are hellholes from what I heard one of my friends say. You can keep your head down and nothing will happen but it's a ****ing scary place. A dog eat dog world in a literal sense.

Even if a killer gets only 8 years here compared to 25 years in America, they'll still be subjected to bullying, sexual abuse, boiling sugar water treatment.

Just to clarify, I'm not defending criminals but really just dispelling the nonsense that prison is somehow easy.

One eyed Jack · 31-10-2019 3:36pm

Zulu wrote: »

Jaysus...

In fariness he's got form. The pedos must pray they end up in front of him.

That has to be a deliberately misleading thread title, unless you’re referring to a completely different case than the one you linked to in the opening post.

31-10-2019 3:39pm

jimwallace197 wrote: »

The boy said he suffers stress, migraines, anxiety and feels under pressure.

Definitely setting it up for a claim against the school. He's 18 now and because he had sex when he was 16 with his teacher, he is claiming he is psychologically damaged. What a croc of ****

This country sometimes....

Haha. I can guarantee you that if this was a young girl and a male teacher, you would not be saying the same thing. something, something victim blaming.

jimwallace197 wrote: »

A one year custodial sentence is harsh, very harsh irrespective of the gender

Again, I have to call bull**** on this. There is no way on earth you would be saying that a male teacher who groomed a young girl and had sex on multiple occassions should get any less than 1 year. Absolutel bull****.

Plus, her not knowing the legal age of consent is a damning indictment on the level of intelligence required to be a teacher.

Ardent · 31-10-2019 3:39pm

siblers wrote: »

She groomed and raped him.

Apparently not. It was entirely consensual according to reports.

1hnr79jr65 · 31-10-2019 3:40pm

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I really wonder why people tend to be unsatisfied with prison sentences (not just in Ireland, it seems to be a common theme around the world) and believe that jail is too easy for criminals.

I imagine many who say these thinga have never stepped foot inside a prison. Mountjoy, Arbour Hill are hellholes from what I heard one of my friends say. You can keep your head down and nothing will happen but it's a ****ing scary place. A dog eat dog world in a literal sense.

Even if a killer gets only 8 years here compared to 25 years in America, they'll still be subjected to bullying, sexual abuse, boiling sugar water treatment.

Just to clarify, I'm not defending criminals but really just dispelling the nonsense that prison is somehow easy.

Comparatively a male who commits and is convicted of the same or similar crime stands to be sentenced for 7-10 years and is on the sex offender register for life on release. Generally with good behavior serves between 4-7 years and becomes a social pariah.

This lady should have been served equal justice and sex offences can be carried out by anyone regardless of sex/gender, age and so on, sentencing should be level playing field. In this case the defendant was wrong, admitted they were wrong, there was proof she was wrong, there for a proper sentence should be imposed.

All these crimes have to be treated the same way regardless who carries them out, with absolute disgust and proper penalty.

31-10-2019 3:41pm

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I really wonder why people tend to be unsatisfied with prison sentences (not just in Ireland, it seems to be a common theme around the world) and believe that jail is too easy for criminals.

I imagine many who say these thinga have never stepped foot inside a prison. Mountjoy, Arbour Hill are hellholes from what I heard one of my friends say. You can keep your head down and nothing will happen but it's a ****ing scary place. A dog eat dog world in a literal sense.

Even if a killer gets only 8 years here compared to 25 years in America, they'll still be subjected to bullying, sexual abuse, boiling sugar water treatment.

Just to clarify, I'm not defending criminals but really just dispelling the nonsense that prison is somehow easy.

Poor lambs :rolleyes:

People usually complain because it is not a proportionate punishment for the crime that has been committed

31-10-2019 3:42pm

Ardent wrote: »

Apparently not. It was entirely consensual according to reports.

Children can't consent to sex with an adult

sydthebeat · 31-10-2019 3:42pm

Gatling wrote: »

It's likely that it will be claimed the school failed in its responsibility to protect the child

Unless it can be shown that the school knowingly accommodated the relationship, then I can't see any way in which they could be culpable. The article only refers to liaisons outside of the school and notes that the school contacted the gardai upon being made aware of the relationship

siblers · 31-10-2019 3:43pm

Ardent wrote: »

Apparently not. It was entirely consensual according to reports.

Age of consent is 17. He was 16 which makes it rape. Consent or no consent

Ardent · 31-10-2019 3:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Children can't consent to sex with an adult

The victim was the one with the penis.

31-10-2019 3:45pm

siblers wrote: »

Age of consent is 17. He was 16 which makes it rape. Consent or no consent

Can women be done for rape? It might "only" be sexual assault of a minor. I'm open to correction

31-10-2019 3:46pm

Ardent wrote: »

The victim was the one with the penis.

And also a child.

What the hell does having a penis got to do with consent or child sexual abuse?

Fanny Wank · 31-10-2019 3:46pm

Ardent wrote: »

The victim was the one with the penis.

6/10 for trolling as I'll bet you hook a few fish

argentum · 31-10-2019 3:46pm

I presume that the school will be sued based on the premise that it is vicariously liable for the teacher.

MarkR · 31-10-2019 3:48pm

Ardent wrote: »

Apparently not. It was entirely consensual according to reports.

Do you have a source for that?

siblers · 31-10-2019 3:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Can women be done for rape? It might "only" be sexual assault of a minor. I'm open to correction

I believe it's statutory rape when it's consensual sex with an underage person

Ardent · 31-10-2019 3:49pm

MarkR wrote: »

Do you have a source for that?

Yes, read the news.

James Brown · 31-10-2019 3:49pm

Ardent wrote: »

Apparently not. It was entirely consensual according to reports.

Can't be consensual when one is a minor.

Ardent · 31-10-2019 3:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

And also a child.

What the hell does having a penis got to do with consent or child sexual abuse?

Context: I was responding to the claim of rape.

turb0mint · 31-10-2019 3:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

And also a child.

What the hell does having a penis got to do with consent or child sexual abuse?

Actually the law specifically defines rape as when a penis or other object is forced into a vagina without consent. Therefore women cannot technically carry out rape

See excerpt from Criminal Law Rape Act 1990

4.—(1) In this Act “rape under section 4 ” means a sexual assault that includes—

(a) penetration (however slight) of the anus or mouth by the penis, or

(b) penetration (however slight) of the vagina by any object held or manipulated by another person.

(2) A person guilty of rape under section 4 shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for life.

(3) Rape under section 4 shall be a felony.

31-10-2019 3:50pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Can't be consensual when one is a minor.

I think he meant that because the child wasn't forced, it wouldn't be sexual assault but instead statutory rape.

Strazdas · 31-10-2019 3:51pm

jimwallace197 wrote: »

The boy said he suffers stress, migraines, anxiety and feels under pressure.

Definitely setting it up for a claim against the school. He's 18 now and because he had sex when he was 16 with his teacher, he is claiming he is psychologically damaged. What a croc of ****

This country sometimes....

A one year custodial sentence is harsh, very harsh irrespective of the gender

I suspect all of that came from the fallout from the case and the law getting involved, not from the actual "relationship".

Rushden · 31-10-2019 3:52pm

turb0mint wrote: »

Actually the law specifically defines rape as when a penis or other object is forced into a vagina without consent. Therefore women cannot technically carry out rape

Women can carry it out alright, just men cannot be the victim

31-10-2019 3:52pm

turb0mint wrote: »

Actually the law specifically defines rape as when a penis or other object is forced into a vagina without consent. Therefore women cannot technically carry out rape

I wonder what the actual wording of the offence was. Can't seem to find it on any report.

drunkmonkey · 31-10-2019 3:55pm

Is this the same teacher who was all over what's app last year in compromising positions, think she was working out foreign afterward but came home to face the music.
I assume the pics and vids were shared by him originally and that's how the whole thing blew up on them.

31-10-2019 3:56pm

Someone said she raped and groomed the child. You responded:

Ardent wrote: »

Apparently not. It was entirely consensual according to reports.

to which I said:

Deleted User wrote: »

Children can't consent to sex with an adult

You responded:

Ardent wrote: »

The victim was the one with the penis.

to which I said:

Deleted User wrote: »

And also a child.

What the hell does having a penis got to do with consent or child sexual abuse?

to which you said:

Ardent wrote: »

Context: I was responding to the claim of rape.

So forgive me for not seeing your context as you said the child was not raped and groomed because it was consensual.

A child can not consent to anything. If you meant that the child couldn't be raped because of the literal definition given a few posts ago, consent has nothing to do with it. Same goes for grooming. Consent is not a factor.

James Brown · 31-10-2019 3:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think he meant that because the child wasn't forced, it wouldn't be sexual assault but instead statutory rape.

I got that but it can't be consensual. He can't consent. His opinion is irrelevant to the charge.

muffler · 31-10-2019 3:59pm

This lads mother made a big issue of it when she found out and rightfully so but where was she when her 15 year old child was in a night club?

alastair · 31-10-2019 4:00pm

siblers wrote: »

Age of consent is 17. He was 16 which makes it rape. Consent or no consent

Interestingly, even if he were 17, it’s still a crime for an authority figure to have sex with him.

3A. (1) A person in authority who engages in a sexual act with a child who has attained the age of 17 years but is under the age of 18 years shall be guilty of an offence.

31-10-2019 4:04pm

I wonder why she can't be named/shown. Men usually don't get that luxury.

Icemancometh · 31-10-2019 4:05pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wonder why she can't be named/shown. Men usually don't get that luxury.

To protect his identity.

31-10-2019 4:05pm

I see the charge was "defilement of a child".

suicide_circus · 31-10-2019 4:05pm

Gatling wrote: »

Joke sentence this is a woman who is a qualified teacher and Very well aware of child protection ,
If it was a male teacher they would have seen a multiple year sentence

what's sauce for the gander is not always sauce for the goose

31-10-2019 4:06pm

Icemancometh wrote: »

To protect his identity.

That's fair enough so.

jimwallace197 · 31-10-2019 4:07pm

Lets be honest about it, there isn't a red blooded male in here who didn't wish they didn't get an opportunity to hop on top of one of their female teachers at some stage or another. Yes, its sexist, yes, its double standards, but lets cut the ****, he would have been mad up for it and is now playing the victim because him and his parents see a claim in it.

That's the main thing that gets me, the lack of sincerity and victim complex. Him & a lot of others are beginning to go down a road that is bad for this country, trust me, in another few years, you won't be able to fart in public without someone making some sort of ridiculous claim.

Whether we like it or not, we don't live in a completely fair & equal society, women will always be treated more leniently than men in cases like these mainly down to our archaic judicial system, the increased risk of pregnancy a juvenile female would be exposed to and the subsequent fallout to that along with the overall physical dominance a male teacher is likely to have over a female student.

It is what it is

Strazdas · 31-10-2019 4:07pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is this the same teacher who was all over what's app last year in compromising positions, think she was working out foreign afterward but came home to face the music.
I assume the pics and vids were shared by him originally and that's how the whole thing blew up on them.

I don't think that's the same case at all. Apparently, the mother found out about his "relationship" in this case and reported the teacher.....nothing to do with pictures or videos.

suicide_circus · 31-10-2019 4:09pm

jimwallace197 wrote: »

Lets be honest about it, there isn't a red blooded male in here who didn't wish they didn't get an opportunity to hop on top of one of their female teachers at some stage or another. Yes, its sexist, yes, its double standards, but lets cut the ****, he would have been mad up for it and is now playing the victim because him and his parents see a claim in it.

That's the main thing that gets me, the lack of sincerity and victim complex. Him & a lot of others are beginning to go down a road that is bad for this country, trust me, in another few years, you won't be able to fart in public without someone making some sort of ridiculous claim.

Whether we like it or not, we don't live in a completely fair & equal society, women will always be treated more leniently than men in cases like these mainly down to our archaic judicial system, the increased risk of pregnancy a juvenile female would be exposed to and the subsequent fallout to that along with the overall physical dominance a male teacher is likely to have over a female student.

It is what it is

absolutely. as long as we agree that this inequities can go either way.

31-10-2019 4:12pm

jimwallace197 wrote: »

Lets be honest about it, there isn't a red blooded male in here who didn't wish they didn't get an opportunity to hop on top of one of their female teachers at some stage or another. Yes, its sexist, yes, its double standards, but lets cut the ****, he would have been mad up for it and is now playing the victim because him and his parents see a claim in it.

Some young girls are also "mad up for it" at a young age. Should it be ok for male teachers to "hop on top of them" if they are getting signals?

jimwallace197 wrote: »

That's the main thing that gets me, the lack of sincerity and victim complex. Him & a lot of others are beginning to go down a road that is bad for this country, trust me, in another few years, you won't be able to fart in public without someone making some sort of ridiculous claim.

Yeah, a teacher getting charged for having sex with an underage student is exactly the slippery slope that will lead to you unable to break wind.

That's such a ridiculous argument.

Martin Nolan give 1 year to guilty pedo.

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