BrewDog Bar Ireland

CramCycle · 10-12-2019 3:32pm

Wooderson wrote: »

Wishing them "all the best" w/ cheapest pints at 7.50 at the arse end of a quay and minimal footfall.

To be fair I find a lack of telly in a pub an appealing thing, many people do. If I wanted to be anti social and just shout at a telly, Id do it at home.

The Nal · 10-12-2019 3:35pm

CramCycle wrote: »

To be fair I find a lack of telly in a pub an appealing thing, many people do. If I wanted to be anti social and just shout at a telly, Id do it at home.

Well just go to one of the few hundred other pubs without a TV in the city.

L1011 · 10-12-2019 3:38pm

The Nal wrote: »

Well just go to one of the few hundred other pubs without a TV in the city.

If there's even one hundred I'd be surprised.

There's a small few with rarely used TVs (Brew Dock, Long Hall) which I'd let in to the no TV category but even then its not that many.;

CramCycle · 10-12-2019 3:40pm

The Nal wrote: »

Well just go to one of the few hundred other pubs without a TV in the city.

I do, so thanks. I can't recall footie or anything like it in any Brewdog I have been in before so not sure why anyone would think they would change that, but maybe it was just the ones I went too.

My point was that the lack of football isn't what will lose them business. Where they are located it is going to be weekday trade, lunches and after work pints I imagine, Fridays will be mobbed with the office staff and then dead for the rest of the weekend. Just a guess. I worked in bars not to far from there over in the IFSC and that was my general memory of the pattern.

maximoose · 10-12-2019 3:41pm

I think you read football instead of footfall :pac:

CramCycle · 10-12-2019 3:43pm

maximoose wrote: »

I think you read football instead of footfall :pac:

Ha, yes I did, more fool me.

The Nal · 10-12-2019 3:47pm

L1011 wrote: »

If there's even one hundred I'd be surprised.

There's a small few with rarely used TVs (Brew Dock, Long Hall) which I'd let in to the no TV category but even then its not that many.;

Top of my head in that area (ish) - Hogans, Grogans, Brogans, Underdog, Nearys, Sheehans (upstairs), Peters Pub, International, Cassidys, Stags Head, Against the Grain, Anseo. Then you can look at Mulligans, Cobblestone, Dice Bar.

Endless choices. But yeah, footfall/football. Either way they can fúck off with those prices.

CramCycle wrote: »

I do, so thanks. I can't recall footie or anything like it in any Brewdog I have been in before so not sure why anyone would think they would change that, but maybe it was just the ones I went too.

My point was that the lack of football isn't what will lose them business. Where they are located it is going to be weekday trade, lunches and after work pints I imagine, Fridays will be mobbed with the office staff and then dead for the rest of the weekend. Just a guess. I worked in bars not to far from there over in the IFSC and that was my general memory of the pattern.

Oh sure yeah agree 100% with that. They'll make megabucks from the offices around the place. I'd wager Friday evening will look like Mecca during the Hajj.

Or 28 Days Later.

Quackster · 10-12-2019 5:01pm

BeerNut wrote: »

If anything sinks them it'll be the location. It's well established that Irish drinkers don't have an upper limit on what they'll pay for a pint.

The Dodder bridge will help by providing much better connectivity with Ringsend and Point Village but that's some years away yet.

Effects · 10-12-2019 5:10pm

Full tap list:

Raytown Rocks · 10-12-2019 5:11pm

Quackster wrote: »

The Dodder bridge will help by providing much better connectivity with Ringsend and Point Village but that's some years away yet.

There's a bridge to Ringsend just 200 feet away, via the canal bridge first that leaves you into the heart of the Village

Little chance the locals will be paying €7 plus per pint in my opinion

maximoose · 10-12-2019 5:13pm

Thanks for that

Doubt I'll be going near the place now, €7 for lost lager! :pac:

Wooderson · 10-12-2019 5:30pm

Underwhelming suppsies for launch weekend. Eye watering prices. A tourist trap, sadly.

Doubt the likes of Paddy in Underdog feels threatened by this.

nc6000 · 10-12-2019 5:37pm

They have a 15% stout? :eek:

Ballso · 10-12-2019 5:48pm

maximoose wrote: »

Thanks for that

Doubt I'll be going near the place now, €7 for lost lager! :pac:

What were you expecting exactly?

BeerNut · 10-12-2019 5:50pm

Effects wrote: »

Full tap list:

LOL at BrewDog's first four "friends" being sock puppets, with a fifth BrewDog-brewed beer further down.

Effects · 10-12-2019 6:06pm

nc6000 wrote: »

They have a 15% stout? :eek:

Not cheap at €5.85 for a third of a pint.

I'll probably go along to try the two stouts, earlyish on Friday before it gets too busy.

Quackster · 10-12-2019 8:30pm

chef wrote: »

There's a bridge to Ringsend just 200 feet away, via the canal bridge first that leaves you into the heart of the Village

Little chance the locals will be paying €7 plus per pint in my opinion

That's true, but I wouldn't fancy crossing it while tipsy!

Not that I'd be getting overly tipsy on those prices though... :pac:

In any case, that bridge isn't much good for getting over to the Point.

BaZmO* · 10-12-2019 8:53pm

Jaysis those prices are nuts. Even with my 10% discount it’s a tough sell. The location is a killer too.

Subcomandante Marcos · 10-12-2019 9:33pm

Effects wrote: »

Due to open for regulars at midday Friday.
28 beers on tap. €7.25 for a pint of Punk.

Go. And. ****e.

nc6000 · 10-12-2019 11:09pm

Effects wrote: »

Not cheap at €5.85 for a third of a pint.

I'll probably go along to try the two stouts, earlyish on Friday before it gets too busy.

I didn't spot the 1/3 of a pint bit. Very expensive. :rolleyes:

Effects · 10-12-2019 11:30pm

Yeah, some are half pint and some are a third. Had some imperial stouts in the Big Romance a few weeks back, it can end up expensive.
I'd rather drink stuff like that at home, but will give it a shot to see what the place is like.

simonw · 10-12-2019 11:36pm

Effects wrote: »

€7.25 for a pint of Punk.

That must be the most you'd pay anywhere in Dublin for a punk ipa? And they are brewing it on-site?

Phat Cat · 11-12-2019 12:00am

Effects wrote: »

€7.25 for a pint of Punk.

That's even more expensive then any of the BrewDog bars in London, where it's £6 for a pint of Punk IPA in any of the ones that I've been in.

BeerNut · 11-12-2019 12:19am

simonw wrote: »

And they are brewing it on-site?

No: the brewery on-site, when it gets going, will be doing small-batch one-offs. That Punk is exactly the same mass-produced version sold in Wetherspoon and Tesco.

The Nal · 11-12-2019 10:37am

If a 3rd of a pint is €5.85, that works out at €17.55 a pint!

They must secretly laughing at anyone stupid enough to pay those prices?

L1011 · 11-12-2019 11:06am

BeerNut wrote: »

No: the brewery on-site, when it gets going, will be doing small-batch one-offs. That Punk is exactly the same mass-produced version sold in Wetherspoon and Tesco.

Does someone with a better knowledge of the small brewery half excise rules (better than me - e.g. you

) know if the ownership by a larger multinational excludes the Dublin kit from that?

BeerNut · 11-12-2019 11:17am

The Nal wrote: »

If a 3rd of a pint is €5.85, that works out at €17.55 a pint!

It's not sold by the pint, it's not meant to be consumed by the pint, so a per-pint calculation is daft. Nobody calculates wine prices like this, so why do it for a wine-strength beer?

It's a shame they're sticking to restrictive UK measures even though they don't have to in Ireland. Third-pints aren't fun. Even 250ml would be an improvement.

L1011 wrote: »

if the ownership by a larger multinational excludes the Dublin kit from that?

I think so. Under the 2005 Finance Act the applying brewery must be "legally and economically independent of any other brewery".

Cazale · 11-12-2019 11:44am

The Nal wrote:

They must secretly laughing at anyone stupid enough to pay those prices?

It's a 15% stout though. I've paid â‚¬15 for a 330ml bottle of a similar abv. It's not something you'll go on a session with.

Ballso · 11-12-2019 11:54am

The Nal wrote: »

If a 3rd of a pint is €5.85, that works out at €17.55 a pint!

They must secretly laughing at anyone stupid enough to pay those prices?

If you think 6 euro is a lot of money I don't think the craft beer bars in northern or western Europe are for you. There are plenty of options in Dublin for cheap alcohol already.

Underdog have a 5.6% pale ale on at the moment at €9 for 330ml.

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-12-2019 12:01pm

Ballso wrote: »

If you think 6 euro is a lot of money I don't think the craft beer bars in northern or western Europe are for you. There are plenty of options in Dublin for cheap alcohol already.

Underdog have a 5.6% pale ale on at the moment at €9 for 330ml.

The underdog tax is ridiculous though.

Ballso · 11-12-2019 12:09pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The underdog tax is ridiculous though.

What's ridiculous about it? I visit regularly, stay an hour or two, sip some interesting beers and have the chats, my bill usually comes to about 20 quid. If that model doesn't suit you go somewhere else.

The business model for these bars isn't lads sitting there drinking six or seven pints at a time. Things have moved on.

Passenger · 11-12-2019 12:29pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The underdog tax is ridiculous though.

Underdog have the same profit margin for every beer they tap. The cost of the keg is what dictates the price of the beer not the management, as some people might believe.

CramCycle · 11-12-2019 12:36pm

Some of the prices are crazy, others seem fine. Alot of their "headiners" are overpriced IMO, but then maybe it shouldn't matter to me as very few of their headliners I would ever buy. There are a few on the other side I wouldn't mind giving a try, so I may call in if ever in the area but that is unlikely enough.

Effects · 11-12-2019 12:37pm

So it's just a case of adding on a percentage to the cost of the keg?

L1011 · 11-12-2019 12:45pm

Effects wrote: »

So it's just a case of adding on a percentage to the cost of the keg?

The two basic methods of pricing products are either a % or fixed margin per sale; and the latter would not be common in pubs.

Promotional pricing etc makes this muddier than it just being "put XX% on a keg and divide by volume" a lot of the time; but its an underlying basic.

Ciaranis · 11-12-2019 1:00pm

L1011 wrote:

Its 4.45 in JDW on Abbey Street. 63% increase!

Yes. And in Wetherspoon it comes with free nibbles of middle-aged sadness and anti-EU sentiment.

BeerNut · 11-12-2019 1:26pm

Ciaranis wrote: »

Yes. And in Wetherspoon it comes with free nibbles of middle-aged sadness and anti-EU sentiment.

There's no anti-EU sentiment visible in Irish Wetherspoons.

11-12-2019 2:03pm

I don't get the hate for JDW. Yes, some of their establishments across the water are very rough around the edges, but any of their places over here are grand. The gripes people have against them are pretty petty and seem to be niggly just for the sake of being niggly.

"There's no craic / it's too sterile" - I don't know about you, but I go to the boozer with my mates and generate our own craic and atmosphere. Even if you were drinking in, say, The Long Hall on your own, it wouldn't exactly be a great buzz.

"middle-aged sadness and anti-EU sentiment" is a new one, though, I must admit.........Kudos.

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-12-2019 5:22pm

Underdog and GBB bars take the absolute piss with pricing because they know they can and their fanboi regulars will still defend them.

GBB bars and Underdog were charging €11+ from 330ml of Wicklow Wolf Pointy Shoes.

Half pint in Dead Centre in Athlone is €5.

Ballso · 11-12-2019 5:31pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Underdog and GBB bars take the absolute piss with pricing because they know they can and their fanboi regulars will still defend them.

GBB bars and Underdog were charging €11+ from 330ml of Wicklow Wolf Pointy Shoes.

Half pint in Dead Centre in Athlone is €5.

Well drink in dead centre in Athlone then and spare the rest of us your bitter whinging.

Christ, between the moaning about JDWs cheapness attracting the wrong crowd and other bars being too expensive you'd think these were the only options.

Effects · 11-12-2019 5:56pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Underdog and GBB bars take the absolute piss with pricing because they know they can and their fanboi regulars will still defend them.

Wasn't it mentioned in another thread that producers will charge what they can get away with/what the customer will pay, and that's how all businesses work?

CramCycle · 11-12-2019 6:10pm

Effects wrote: »

Wasn't it mentioned in another thread that producers will charge what they can get away with/what the customer will pay, and that's how all businesses work?

Pretty much, your not just paying for the drink, your paying for the wages, rent, the brand, overheads and much more. Once those are out of the way, then the bar has to figure out how much will it get away with, does it want to be seen to be at par, above or below the nearest competition etc.

Where Brewdog is, while I wouldn't pay that price for some of their regular beers, based on location, they are not looking to sell to me, they are looking to sell to the nearby working crowd who happen to be in industries that are quite well paid. After that the Yuppie rental market in the surrounding apartments. They may also be looking for exclusivity, I lived and worked in the area years ago, alot of locals are not going near there and maybe, that's what they want. Don't want the Ferryman because it is too packed, too lazy to go into town just yet, that weird american bar and Eli place are your only other options, both have very different crowds and both leave a market open for someone else.

Are they renting, how much is that adding onto the cost?

I could see alot of businesses having their "lunchbox" meetings there, or there christmas party warm ups and whatever else comes over the year but it will be like the Harbourmaster, packed to the rafters at some points and dead at others. You'll get alot in for lunches as well. If they don't, their prices and model will change but we are in a boom again, it will be awhile before it has to change.

Ciaranis · 11-12-2019 7:25pm

Well of course there isn't, Mr Literal. But ultra-Brexity little Englander Tim Martin is still chairman of the company, as far as I'm aware.

And I note that you take no issue with the middle-aged sadness aspect!

Technocentral · 11-12-2019 7:27pm

Punk is a solid IPA on a par with O Hara's, not an amazing one, it should be a maximum of 6.20 a pint.

BeerNut · 11-12-2019 7:31pm

CramCycle wrote: »

They may also be looking for exclusivity

From what I've seen in BrewDog bars up and down Britain, they look at what beer costs in similar venues in the city and add a BrewDog premium. I'd say they did the same here. Being the most expensive beer specialist in any locality seems to be the goal.

James Watt, BrewDog CEO wrote:

Defend your gross margin like a junkyard rottweiler

L1011 · 11-12-2019 8:02pm

Conditional fire safety certificate (on one thing being fixed overnight) issued and their licence transfer should be ok tomorrow now.

I've a sneaking suspicion it's the licence from the Black and Amber in Islandbridge as it was held by the landlords of the Brewdog building but I've zero evidence to support that hypothesis

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-12-2019 9:57pm

Ballso wrote: »

Well drink in dead centre in Athlone then and spare the rest of us your bitter whinging.

Christ, between the moaning about JDWs cheapness attracting the wrong crowd and other bars being too expensive you'd think these were the only options.

Case in point.

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-12-2019 9:58pm

Effects wrote: »

Wasn't it mentioned in another thread that producers will charge what they can get away with/what the customer will pay, and that's how all businesses work?

The producer charges all three points of sale mentioned the same for a keg.

The difference is the point of sale.

Beechwoodspark · 11-12-2019 10:06pm

Wooderson wrote: »

Wishing them "all the best" w/ cheapest pints at 7.50 at the arse end of a quay and minimal footfall.

This is it

The location is sh1t except for sunny summers days.

The prices are excruciating.

Won’t be indulging.

12-12-2019 1:15pm

Technocentral wrote: »

Punk is a solid IPA on a par with O Hara's, not an amazing one, it should be a maximum of 6.20 a pint.

Proof indeed that the boom is back.

The whole craft beer movement started off the back of small, independent brewers making different beers in smaller batches than the worldwide conglomerates and undercutting them on price through a combination of reasons......in no small part to lack of investment in advertising etc.

Charging €6.20 a pint would have been practically inconceivable not so long ago. Now we have people clamouring to have it reduced to that price from €7.25 a go?

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