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Vegan Billboards from around the world.

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  • #202
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    Shoo pest.

    Now - no need get personal tbh. Boards.ie is a discussion fora - thanks


  • #203
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    Cool story, bro. You forgot your ‘lol’

    No 'Lol' as it is a genuine question. A reply to that ok and not just peevish for some reason?


  • #204
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Cults tend to redirect questions back to you or fail to answer questions entirely. Veganism embraces and answers all questions openly.
    What's the opposite of cult?
    Dogma perhaps.

    Billboard/poster in local school attached ( it's an all boys)


  • #205
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    Cults tend to redirect questions back to you or fail to answer questions entirely. Veganism embraces and answers all questions openly.
    What's the opposite of cult?
    Dogma perhaps...

    Cults? I had posted this previously ...
    interestingly the word 'cult' has two meanings - one relating to a religous type worship and a second - which denotes a person or thing that is popular or fashionable among a particular group or section of society eg
    "the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK"
    So applying the second - it's not unreasonable to see that these promotional billboards do have certain cult like aspects tbh.
    ...

    See:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109896447&postcount=184


  • #206
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    [quote="gozunda;109911104"

    and a second - which denotes a person or thing that is popular or fashionable among a particular group or section of society eg
    "the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK"
    So applying the second - it's not unreasonable to see that these promotional billboards do have certain cult like aspects tbh.
    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    No talking to her it's like she is brain washed hence the cult comparison.

    [/quote]

    We are getting off topic now on this thread which will draw mod reprimands.
    I'll just say: the second use of the word cult is colloquial and not derogatory unlike the use of the word, unmistakably implied by Charles, to which I was referring.


  • #207
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    We are getting off topic now on this thread which will draw mod reprimands.I'll just say: the second use of the word cult is colloquial and not derogatory unlike the use of the word, unmistakably implied by Charles, to which I was referring.

    Yeah that from reply to Charles - no the second use of the word is a standard use and that's straight from the dictionary. https://www.google.ie/search?source=hp&ei=GRawXN-eA9Kd1fAP3fmJuAE&q=cult+&oq=cult+&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-hp.3..0l2j46j0l5.2322.12215..13071...3.0..0.186.980.1j7......0....1.......8..41j46i131i275j46i131j0i131j0i70i249.cinXzkDlj-E
    Dont think the first is derogatory tbh - it's just a descriptor no?
    Positive (vegan and normal) billboard here I saw - least we forget :)
    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7343/9537851273_57440b5bda.jpg


  • #208
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,739 ✭✭✭Worztron


    https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/bby9k7/belfast_north_of_ireland/

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • #209
    Tilikum17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    Dublin


  • #210
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    Dublin

    That's a graphic one. Unfortunately we need more like it.

    (Gozunda, I'd throw out whatever dictionary you are using.)


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  • #211
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    That's a graphic one. Unfortunately we need more like it.

    (Gozunda, I'd throw out whatever dictionary you are using.)

    I'd say less of that kind of daft statements on billboards would be better tbh, but much like the official definition as detailed you'd probably disagree ...


    Auspicious - Sorry if the official dictionary linked doesn't suit

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


  • #212
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Worztron wrote: »
    https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/bby9k7/belfast_north_of_ireland/
    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    Belfast
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=477590&d=1555013365

    Em I'm definitely of the opinion that is the same photo tbh...

    Not sure what gives it away ;)


  • #213
    davidjtaylor
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭davidjtaylor


    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    Shoo pest.

    :D:D


  • #214
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    davidjtaylor wrote: »
    :D:D

    Ah another (non) contributor who believes others should be silenced ;)

    *waves*


  • #215
    Tilikum17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    Boston


  • #216
    Tilikum17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    Galway


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  • #217
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,739 ✭✭✭Worztron


    https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/bcc08f/im_a_bit_hungover_and_extra_sensitive_in_work_and/


    477702.jpg

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • #218
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    Galway
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=477698&d=1555144511

    To be fair Tilikum - the sentiment on that poster really makes no sense when we acknowledge that humans are only one species of many. Unless as some are suggesting it is to involve the wiping out of those species, all because someones ideology doesn't agree with what others eat.

    Heres some examples of these bizarre ideas from some vegan / animal rights activists ...
    The majority of the planet's 50,000 or so vertebrate species are vegetarian. But among the minority of carnivorous species are some of the best known creatures on the planet. Should these serial killers be permitted to prey on other sentient beings indefinitely?
    It's crucial that at some point the animal-rights movement moves beyond farm, laboratory, and companion animals. The scale of brutality in nature is too vast to ignore, and humans have an obligation to exercise their cosmically rare position as both intelligent and empathetic creatures to reduce suffering in the wild as much as they can.

    Crazy that this is being advocated and even applauded imo. But there you go....


  • #219
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    gozunda wrote: »
    To be fair Tilikum - the sentiment on that poster really makes no sense when we acknowledge that humans are only one species of many. Unless as some are suggesting it is to involve the wiping out of those species, all because someones ideology doesn't agree with what others eat.

    Heres some examples of these bizarre ideas from some vegan / animal rights activists ...


    "The majority of the planet's 50,000 or so vertebrate species are vegetarian. But among the minority of carnivorous species are some of the best known creatures on the planet. Should these serial killers be permitted to prey on other sentient beings indefinitely?"


    Crazy that this is being advocated and even applauded imo. But there you go....


    You purposefully take it out if context. Either you haven't a clue about the article or you are most disingenuous.
    Brian implicitly states these ideas are his vision of a far flung future.



    "I conclude by encouraging animal advocates to focus their efforts to promote concern about wild-animal suffering among other activists, academics, and others who would be sympathetic -- both to encourage research on the issue and to ensure that our descendants use their advanced technologies in ways that alleviate wild-animal suffering rather than inadvertently multiply it."

    ( At the end of the introduction here )
    https://foundational-research.org/the-importance-of-wild-animal-suffering/



    "I write about ethics, animal welfare, and far-future scenarios from a suffering-focused perspective on my main website, "Essays On Reducing Suffering".

    I helped to start the Foundational Research Institute, a think tank that explores crucial considerations for reducing suffering in the long-run future."

    https://briantomasik.com

    Theses are idealistic goals essentially pertaining to some jainistic idealistic tenets.
    His is a scf-fi version of the future.


  • #220
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    You purposefully take it out if context. Either you haven't a clue about the article or you are most disingenuous.Brian implicitly states these ideas are his vision of a far flung future....
    .

    Nope. Wrong. My post does not just relate to Brian's "ideas".

    If you bother reading what wrote and detailed - there are two separate quotes there from different sources - both given as some examples of the type of frankly deranged ideas being promoted by a movement which includes:
    • that all "meat is murder" .
    •As exemplified in that billboard sentiment that espouses the same idea "that there is no right way to kill someone who doesn't want to die" (sic)
    • And both these as advocated in this idea that all "Wild Animal Suffering" (ie animals killing / eating other animals") must be eradicated from the planet.

    Anyone who is in denial about this has their head firmly stuck in the sand. Google "wild animal suffering" and face the truth that there are many many advocates and think-tanks of this movement. It is mainstream and bizarrely being promoted as something that could be achieved.

    It is the promoters and thinkers behind much of the current vegan movement who are now advocating these ideas as a way to promote veganism. Deny it all you like - it doesn't change the fact that after the desire to eradicate all domestic animals including pets as currently as advocated by many vegan groups including PETA. The removal and total eradication of all wild meat eaters is being pushed because by those who believe that 'meat is murder' and therefore ultimately all animals which eat meat must be removed from the planet. Yes this is where the 'logic' of that poster goes to. And no I dont agree with it and yes I call that out for what it is.


  • #221
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Not just his ideas but ideas that are his vision.
    They are futurist's concepts of what could be possible. Much the same way some transhumanists propose uploading humanity's collective consciousness to a computer.
    Again see idealism.

    The second quote derives from some pinnacles of Janism's religious pathos. I.e. again ideals. Thus a super-altruistic viewpoint.
    The part about serial killing predators is just evocative rhetoric.

    It is a weak argument to say this is mainstream thinking and it is certainly not the norm.


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  • #222
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    Not just his ideas but ideas that are his vision.
    They are futurist's concepts of what could be possible. Much the same way some transhumanists propose uploading humanity's collective consciousness to a computer.
    Again see idealism. The second quote derives from some pinnacles of Janism's religious pathos. I.e. again ideals. Thus a super-altruistic viewpoint.The part about serial killing predators is just evocative rhetoric.
    It is a weak argument to say this is mainstream thinking and it is certainly not the norm.

    As stated they are just two examples of this vegan derived movement . There are many many more examples online if you care to look.

    There are countless Facebook pages and a huge amount of social media advocating the eradication of 'Wild Animal Suffering" through removing wild predators (ie stopping wild animals eating other wild animals)

    Again what is being promoted is not only the complete eradication of farm and domestic animals but also either the complete eradication or genetic alteration of predator species and the use of artificial birth control on remaining wild species as a way of limiting their numbers. It is one of the areas which I find truely disturbing. That these ideas apparently have many grassroot supporters is also deeply worrying imo.

    "Idealism"? Its lunacy and futurist twaddle imo, however I do believe this is motivated less by concern for such animals, rather the existence of these animals both farmed and wild is a very real obstacle to the ideology of veganism as the 'only way'


    If you doubt any of this - go Google it.


  • #223
    khaldrogo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭khaldrogo


    Slaphead07 wrote:
    It's not just "beliefs" anyway. Veganism and vegetarianism would genuinely make the planet a better place. I think that's worth advertising.


    What do you do with all the animals once everyone goes vegan?? Adopt a cow day at the pound? And what about the water issue? The cows still need water if they are not to be eaten.....more considering they will be living longer


  • #224
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    I doubt none of it. Factions come and go and tend to the right or left.
    It is a topic that needs a great amount of philosophical debate yet it is a vision of a post-vegan world.
    Let's just get there first.


  • #225
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    I doubt none of it. Factions come and go and tend to the right or left.It is a topic that needs a great amount of philosophical debate yet it is a vision of a post-vegan world. Let's just get there first.

    And so we return to my post regarding the deranged sentiment expressed in the govegan poster which declaims that "Theres no right way to kill someone who doesn't want to die"

    It remains that the sentiment on that poster really makes no sense when we acknowledge that humans are only one species of many. Unless as some are suggesting it should involve the wiping out of those wild species which kill and eat meat and funnily enough that's exactly what is now being advocated.

    Imo It is not that there is concern for such animals, rather it would appear that the existence of these animals both farmed and wild is viewed as a very real obstacle to the ideology of veganism now as dictated as the 'only way' and that "meat is murder"(sic). Funnily enough propaganda like these billboards are now pushing these very ideas and yes this is where the 'logic' of that poster goes to. 

    I wonder will these wild animals be allowed a voice with regard to their fate in your proposed "philosophical debate"...

    I truly hope no one ever gets "there" ever tbh...


  • #226
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Yep. 'There' being a *post*- vegan world.
    We're a way off that scenario yet.
    Sure aren't we still answering questions like where are all the cows going to go?


  • #227
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    Yep. 'There' being a *post*- vegan world.
    We're a way off that scenario yet.
    Sure aren't we still answering questions like where are all the cows going to go[?

    I think you maybe missing the point there again. I'll reiterate - It doesn't stop the fact these billboard sentiments are advocating for the eradication of eating of meat now and all wild meating species in the future to push the propaganda promoting a vegan ideology 'now'.

    Tbh certainly in my experience the second point is generally posed by others in the form of a rhetorical question highlighting the fact that veganism calls for the complete eradication of all domestic species. I for one do not agree with that. But there you go.


  • #228
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    gozunda wrote: »
    Yeah of course. However It doesn't stop the fact these sentiments are being currently used to push the propaganda advocating a vegan ideology 'now'.

    Tbh certainly in my experience the second is generally posed in the form of a rhetorical question highlighting the fact that veganism calls for the complete eradication of all domestic species. I for one do not agree with that. But there you go.

    More generalisation and hyperbole through highlighting aspects within a movement.
    I don't think all vegans call for the eradication, as you put it, of dogs.


  • #229
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    More generalisation and hyperbole through highlighting aspects within a movement.
    I don't think all vegans call for the eradication, as you put it, of dogs.


    No simply trying to get you to understand what the sentiment of that poster logically entails. Dont like it? I obviously can help that.

    Btw strangely you are the only one referring to "all" or 'dogs'. This is what I said in my initial comment.
    To be fair - the sentiment on that poster really makes no sense when we acknowledge that humans are only one species of many.

    Unless as some are suggesting it is to involve the wiping out of those species, all because someones ideology doesn't agree with what others eat. Crazy that this is being advocated and even applauded imo. But there you go....


  • #230
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    gozunda wrote: »
    I think you maybe missing the point there again.

    No. It's called satire :rolleyes:


  • #231
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    No. It's called satire :rolleyes:

    Dogs are 'satire'? Interesting point of view ...


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  • #232
    Tilikum17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    Oatley.


  • #233
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Oatly started putting their carbon emission on their packaging.

    5v27Yf2.jpg


  • #234
    ganmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Ohh i hope the likes coffee and chocolate Do the same


  • #235
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    ganmo wrote: »
    Ohh i hope the likes coffee and chocolate Do the same

    Me too, I'd like it on everything.


  • #236
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,739 ✭✭✭Worztron


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    Me too, I'd like it on everything.

    +1

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • #237
    Tilikum17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    Amsterdam


  • #238
    Tilikum17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    Toronto.


  • #239
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    Toronto.

    My eggs are free range who lay naturally and I typically visit the hens and mind them for my neighbour when they are away.


  • #240
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    My eggs are free range who lay naturally and I typically visit the hens and mind them for my neighbour when they are away.

    It's quite amazing that most of these 'billboards' depict the absolute worst of all possible welfare issues as a scare tactic. Not only is it dishonest - it is little better than the usual excesses of politicised propaganda imo.

    Is there room for improvement in the commercial production of eggs. Yes there is.

    I get it many plant advocates dont want to eat eggs and thats fine. But please don't pretend these posters are highlighting that any of them are for welfare reasons.

    I've been told many times that Veganism does not support improvements in animal welfare. Rather - it looks for the abolishment and the complete eradication of all domestic species off the face of the planet (whether those animals are well cared for or otherwise). I think a poster about that would much better and to the point tbh.


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  • #241
    davidjtaylor
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭davidjtaylor


    Not a billboard, something better: a shop window.

    O'Mahoney's Bookshop, Parnell Street, Ennis, Saturday 4th May 2019. Fair play to 'em.


  • #242
    Tilikum17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    Kathmandu airport


  • #243
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    .


  • #244
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Not a billboard but I spotted this poster in a window of a town house on the street.
    It highlights the disconnect between domesticated pets and domesticated farm animals.


  • #245
    davidjtaylor
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭davidjtaylor


    auspicious wrote: »
    Not a billboard but I spotted this poster in a window of a town house on the street.
    It highlights the disconnect between domesticated pets and domesticated farm animals.

    Made all the more powerful by the soft focus, storybook, “aww” artwork. Brilliant.


  • #246
    [Deleted User]
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    auspicious wrote: »
    Not a billboard but I spotted this poster in a window of a town house on the street.
    It highlights the disconnect between domesticated pets and domesticated farm animals.

    Love that.

    A picture paints a thousand words.


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  • #247
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    davidjtaylor wrote: »
    Made all the more powerful by the soft focus, storybook, “aww” artwork. Brilliant.

    Art is also well known as being part of the science of persuasion

    See:
    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/~khals22d/classweb/worldpol2010/worldpol2010/Propaganda.html


  • #248
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    gozunda wrote: »
    Art is also well known as being part of the science of persuasion

    See:
    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/~khals22d/classweb/worldpol2010/worldpol2010/Propaganda.html

    Propaganda is biased or misleading.
    The picture is totally objective and a true representation of the contemporary status quo. That is why it is so striking.


  • #249
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    Propaganda is biased or misleading.The picture is totally objective and a true representation of the contemporary status quo. That is why it is so striking.

    Not so. Traditionally such methods present information in an emotional rather than a objective manner through the use of loaded language and imagery or the presenting of facts selectively.

    In this example emotively appealing (soft focus animals etc) and shocking (man with knife plus cat) imagery are employed together. The art attempts to convey a rejection of the idea that animals and humans eat certain animals but not all. Using this isolated imagery - it completely ignores the fact that the eating of meat by all species is a part of entrophy and the recycling of energy within ecology or as you put it 'the contemporary status quo"

    Dont get me wrong btw - I understand what the art is doing. It is more that the simple child's story book quality of the image shows that it has been created to persuade emotionally at that level. The idea and treatment are oversimplified

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda


  • #250
    Tilikum17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    Boston


  • #251
    Tilikum17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    London Underground.


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