Vegan Billboards from around the world.

Tilikum17

The first one is from time square.

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Slaphead07

These are very good, well composed billboards. Most ads like this are overly accusatory and counter productive (PETA I'm looking at you).

aaakev

Not as bad as the peta ones but why the need for billboards? Can vegans not just be happy with themselves instead of pushing their beliefs on others?

Subcomandante Marcos

Nice and all, but why do they have to misrepresent things? The water statistic for beef production for instance, linking it to drought is nonsense. Almost all of the water footprint in beef production is green (rain) water that wouldn't be used for anything else. The majority of it going on grass/cereal growth. That's water that no matter that's growing where it lands, it's not being use for anything else, never mind contributing to drought relief.
Classic example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. Out of context the statement "it takes x amount of water to produce y kg of beef" sounds striking, when you investigate it, it really doesn't mean anything because it's green (rain) water and would just end up being used by whatever plant was on the ground, stored as ground water or run off into streams, gullies or rivers anyway.

In Ireland and other countries where industrial feed lots don't really exist, as close to 100% of beef water footprint is green water as makes no difference, and in the US, China and other countries with large feed lots the footprint is still well over 90% green water.

Slaphead07

aaakev wrote: »

Not as bad as the peta ones but why the need for billboards? Can vegans not just be happy with themselves instead of pushing their beliefs on others?

Pushing? It's just a billboard, anyone can look away.

It's not just "beliefs" anyway. Veganism and vegetarianism would genuinely make the planet a better place. I think that's worth advertising.

Subcomandante Marcos

Slaphead07 wrote: »

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It's not just "beliefs" anyway. Veganism and vegetarianism would genuinely make the planet a better place. I think that's worth advertising.

No. It won't.

It won't mitigate climate change, it won't reduce soil erosion, it won't reduce water usage in agriculture...

aaakev

Slaphead07 wrote: »

Pushing? It's just a billboard, anyone can look away.

It's not just "beliefs" anyway. Veganism and vegetarianism would genuinely make the planet a better place. I think that's worth advertising.

Vegan billboards for the most part are in your face looking for a reaction and often factually incorrect. Some people will look at these and take them as facts, like the water one mentioned above.

What would happen all the farm animals of the whole world went vegan tomorrow?

gozunda

Slaphead07 wrote: »

These are very good, well composed billboards. Most ads like this are overly accusatory and counter productive (PETA I'm looking at you).

Nope imo those billboards are simply rather bizarre propaganda tbh

In the UK Advertising Standards Authority ruled these type of vegan billboard sentiments -
as little more than opinion

It was clear that the ad was for a vegan pressure group, and we considered that consumers would understand that the language used reflected the group’s opinion about the use of animals in the production of food more generally...

For me it's the use of daft emotive language on those such as 'baby calves' etc that really shows them up for what they are tbh - daft.

Tilikum17

Couple more...

gozunda

The recent Billboard campaign ran here and the UK by Goveganworld seems to gone out with a whimper.

Looks like that campaign backfired on them tbh with lots of negative comments generated here and else where

Here's their last poster - It's the longest lasting one yet ...

https://i.imgflip.com/2j2m73.jpg

meeeeh

Well that converted me. I'm going out to take away the bone my dog is nibbling on for the last hour and informing her that we are all going vegan. I 'm sure she will be delighted to save little pigs.

Tilikum17

“Spotted in the wild (aka one of the busiest train stations in NYC),” Atcheson wrote. “An ad for Google Explore that implies people are searching the word vegan. Yep, times are a-changin’.”

gozunda

Tilikum17 wrote: »

“Spotted in the wild (aka one of the busiest train stations in NYC),” Atcheson wrote. “An ad for Google Explore that implies people are searching the word vegan. Yep, times are a-changin’.”

Tilikum - your approach to promoting vegnism certainly appears to have changed lol ...

GLaDOSI wrote:

I hear way more people bitching about vegans than vegans bitching about eating meat.

"Tilikum17 wrote:

This.
Myself & the wife are vegan. We never bring it up...

I don’t give a flying **** what you or anyone else wants to eat. Most vegans would have the same opinion as me & if they don’t, it’s because they’re just plain arseholes, not because they’re vegan

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057829836/2/#post105834217

The various billboard posts above appear to be fairly active promotion tbh...

Tilikum17

Another few...

gozunda

Tilikum17 wrote: »

“Spotted in the wild (aka one of the busiest train stations in NYC),” Atcheson wrote. “An ad for Google Explore that implies people are searching the word vegan. Yep, times are a-changin’.”

Tilikum - remember context us everything lol. A quick experiment with Google gave me this ....

https://i.imgflip.com/2j2q24.jpg


Ps those are not my sentiments - it shows just how results of searches on Google can be misinterpreted
...

Tar.Aldarion

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Nice and all, but why do they have to misrepresent things? The water statistic for beef production for instance, linking it to drought is nonsense. Almost all of the water footprint in beef production is green (rain) water that wouldn't be used for anything else. The majority of it going on grass/cereal growth. That's water that no matter that's growing where it lands, it's not being use for anything else, never mind contributing to drought relief.
Classic example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. Out of context the statement "it takes x amount of water to produce y kg of beef" sounds striking, when you investigate it, it really doesn't mean anything because it's green (rain) water and would just end up being used by whatever plant was on the ground, stored as ground water or run off into streams, gullies or rivers anyway.

In Ireland and other countries where industrial feed lots don't really exist, as close to 100% of beef water footprint is green water as makes no difference, and in the US, China and other countries with large feed lots the footprint is still well over 90% green water.

While those big numbers per KG or whatever don't tell the story I guess they are trying to get the point across that animal agriculture is stressing the worlds water resources. 10% grey/blue non green water is a lot of water for hundreds of billions of animals. Livestock accounts for 27% of global freshwater consumption, numbers are rising and the change from traditional to intensive farming is gradually increasing as well as the amount of animals farmed, this leads to increased blue and grey water usage footprints per animal when there is already great pressure on global freshwater resources (larger dependence on concentrate feed in industrial systems). Random big total figures like that are silly to me too and yes it's mostly green water, but that's not really the point.

Although most water used in growing everything is green, the values inclusive of all types show the trend, as the freshwater demand increases for them also (on average, obviously pasture is green and this thread is about the world so we use the average), from a report on water usage from waterfrootprint.org:

As a general picture we find that animal products have a larger water footprint per ton of product than crop products. As we see from Table 6, the global average water footprint per ton of crop increases from sugar crops(roughly 200 m3/ton) and vegetables (~300 m3/ton) to pulses (~4000 m3/ton) and nuts (~9000 m3/ton). For animal products, the water footprint increases from milk (~1000 m3/ton) and egg (~3300 m3/ton) to beef (~15400m3/ton).

Also when viewed from a caloric standpoint, the water footprint of animal products is larger than for crop products. The average water footprint per calorie for beef is twenty times larger than for cereals and starchy roots. When we look at the water requirements for protein, we find that the water footprint per gram of protein for milk, eggs and chicken meat is about 1.5 times larger than for pulses. For beef, the water footprint per gram of protein is 6 times larger than for pulses. In the case of fat, we find that butter has a relatively small water footprint per gram of fat, even lower than for oil crops. All other animal products, however, have larger water footprints per gram of fat when compared to oil crops. The general conclusion is that from a freshwater resource perspective, it is more efficient to obtain calories, protein and fat through crop products than animal products. A note should be made here, however, that types of proteins and fats differ across the different products.In order to reduce the pressure on the world’s water resource associated with their consumption pattern,individuals have the option of shifting from a meat-rich to a vegetarian diet. The water footprint of an individual consumer depends to a large extent on the type of diet of the individual. Meat-based diets have a larger water footprint compared to a vegetarian diet. The average USA citizen consumes almost four times the amount of protein compared to the global average (FAO, 2009). About 63% of the daily protein intake comes from animal based products. This high level of consumption of animal-based products is directly reflected in the relative large water footprint of the average American citizen (Hoekstra and Chapagain, 2007). Replacing 50% of all animal products by an equivalent amount of high nutritious crop products such as pulses, groundnuts and potatoes will result a 30% reduction of the food-related water footprint. A vegetarian diet compared with the average current per capita food intake in the USA can reduce the water footprint of an individual by as much as 58%.

I think in general billboards are kept simple for a reason, people can only digest so much in passing, they can look into themselves afterwards.

aaakev

aaakev wrote: »

Not as bad as the peta ones but why the need for billboards? Can vegans not just be happy with themselves instead of pushing their beliefs on others?

Pushing their beliefs ?

That’s gas.

Do you think billboards pushing the carnist lifelstyle of consuming dead animals and animal products like veal, lambs, milk and cheese are also not needed ?

Carnists pushing their beliefs on billboards - does that also upset you ?

Shame you couldn’t embed those Tilikum as some people won’t click on to links.

I like the ‘try never moving’ one on pigs.

The ‘milk comes from a grieving mother’


‘Their first and last day together’ is very good too.

It’s a great way to make people think about their choices.

Driving along or travelling on public transport can allow people to think about this and it will lead to change.

Especially children and teenagers as it could provoke some good conversations and let them work it out for themselves.

Tilikum17

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Shame you couldn’t embed those Tilikum as some people won’t click on to links.

I like the ‘try never moving’ one on pigs.

The ‘milk comes from a grieving mother’


‘Their first and last day together’ is very good too.

It’s a great way to make people think about their choices.

Driving along or travelling on public transport can allow people to think about this and it will lead to change.

Especially children and teenagers as it could provoke some good conversations and let them work it out for themselves.

My mate’s kid is 9. Hid dad has a horrendous diet & the child knows all about it. He knows all about vegetarianism/veganism.

He recently asked me, why do you not eat meat? Is it for your health, the planet or for the animals. I smiled at him and asked how do you all that? He said, they teach us in school.

Teachers aren’t that bad after all.

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Pushing their beliefs ?
That’s gas. Do you think billboards pushing the carnist lifelstyle of consuming dead animals and animal products like veal, lambs, milk and cheese are also not needed ? Carnists pushing their beliefs on billboards - does that also upset you?

That's gas alright Klopp. The billboards are specifically pushing vegan opinions and beliefs

The funny thing is that that - there are no
billboards 'pushing a carnist lifestyle (sic) of consuming dead animals and animal products like veal, lambs, milk and cheese' lol

First 'carnists' (sic) don't exist klopp - apparently that's your favourite made up and rather silly veginista word.

Second - Billboards selling brands of cheese or beef or whatever is simply advertising designed to sell certain goods. You don't have to buy anything if yo do not wish to

Of course the various vegan organisations could attempt to 'sell' veganism if they wanted ie "tofu is great stuff" or whatever but instead they try to push their belief system at other people using Billboard sized spaces and emotive rubbish withering on on about 'baby' animals and betrayal yada yada. I find those billboards amusing in their naivity tbh

These billboards keep the messages 'simple' because that's what propaganda does - promote sound bites of a biased or misleading nature, which are used to push a specific point of view.

The last great vegan billboard campaign here went down the tube fairly rapidly ....

aaakev

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Pushing their beliefs ?

That’s gas.

Do you think billboards pushing the carnist lifelstyle of consuming dead animals and animal products like veal, lambs, milk and cheese are also not needed ?

Carnists pushing their beliefs on billboards - does that also upset you ?

I think billboards promoting a healthy, varied diet are important. Meat from dead animals, milk and cheese is part of that healthy diet so no, these billboards do not upset me. The vegan ones dont upset me either, im just making an observation

davidjtaylor

aaakev wrote: »

Not as bad as the peta ones but why the need for billboards?

Well, vegans are confronted by non-vegan advertising throughout their lives, so it's a little rich to allow that and deny an opposing view.

aaakev wrote: »

Can vegans not just be happy with themselves instead of pushing their beliefs on others?

I'm happy with myself, aaakev, thanks for asking!

Incidentally, a philosophy of 'do no harm' is not a belief.

davidjtaylor

Slaphead07 wrote: »

Veganism and vegetarianism would genuinely make the planet a better place.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

No. It won't.

With due respect to you both, neither of you can say one way or the other. We don't know because it's never been tried.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It won't mitigate climate change, it won't reduce soil erosion, it won't reduce water usage in agriculture...

Many would disagree so can you provide peer-reviewed citations, please?

davidjtaylor

aaakev wrote: »

What would happen all the farm animals of the whole world went vegan tomorrow?

That's a good question and worth thinking about.

As most domesticated animals are deliberately bred by humans, in a vegan world they wouldn't have been bred in the first place.

However, they're here now, we 'created' them; humans have a responsibility to look after them until they reach the end of their natural life.

gozunda

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Well, vegans are confronted by non-vegan advertising throughout their lives, so it's a little rich to allow that and deny an opposing view.
I'm happy with myself, aaakev, thanks for asking!
Incidentally, a philosophy of 'do no harm' is not a belief.

David the basic difference between the two is that one is advertising - the other isn't. I've yet to see any vegan billboards advertising tofu or wearing sandals or whatever (And yes that is a bit of tongue in cheek humour). Vegans are not obliged to buy the lovely cheese or whatever is being advertised.

Are others not allowed to comment on these billboards? Or does freedom of expression only work for select groups?

whiskeyman

I honestly feel there is no need for this shock advertising.
These days, the health movement is huge, and the vegan industry (agenda) should push on the health benefits alone, along with the health concerns of too much meat.
I know plenty of my friends drastically cutting down on their meat intake, but it's nothing to do with loving animals.

jh79

whiskeyman wrote: »

I honestly feel there is no need for this shock advertising.
These days, the health movement is huge, and the vegan industry (agenda) should push on the health benefits alone, along with the health concerns of too much meat.
I know plenty of my friends drastically cutting down on their meat intake, but it's nothing to do with loving animals.

Problem is there are no health benefits to a plant only diet compared to a balanced diet.An average of 70g of red meat a day is the recommended amount , combined with chicken should be enough to keep anybody fond of meat happy.

aaakev

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Well, vegans are confronted by non-vegan advertising throughout their lives, so it's a little rich to allow that and deny an opposing view.

But its not advertising anything, its pushing a believe down people's throats and trying to make them feel bad about their choices when they have nothing to feel bad about.

davidjtaylor wrote: »

i'm happy with myself, aaakev, thanks for asking!

Im glad to hear it!

davidjtaylor wrote: »

incidentally, a philosophy of 'do no harm' is not a belief

Come on, you believe people shouldn't eat meat which is fine by the way! I believe everyone should have their own choice and if they want to eat a fillet steak and wash it down with a glass of milk they should not be judged for doing so

davidjtaylor

aaakev wrote: »

Come on, you believe people shouldn't eat meat

First off, I have no beliefs, none whatsoever. And I've never said the above to anyone. No-one. Not a single person. I don't want people to dictate to me so I start by not dictating to others.

My philosophy is 'do no harm'. It's up to other people to decide whether they want to do the same.

gozunda

davidjtaylor wrote: »

First off, I have no beliefs, none whatsoever. And I've never said the above to anyone. No-one. Not a single person. I don't want people to dictate to me so I start by not dictating to others.

My philosophy is 'do no harm'. It's up to other people to decide whether they want to do the same.

For the record - I dont think that's true. A lot of your own comments posted make repeated calls to others to ignore posters with alternate or varying opinions. So yeah that's a form of dictating imo. Plus saying that one has no 'beliefs' and pushing vegan films simply because they fall under the vegan umbrella doesn't quite make sense either tbh...

emaherx

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Pushing their beliefs ?

That’s gas.

Do you think billboards pushing the carnist lifelstyle of consuming dead animals and animal products like veal, lambs, milk and cheese are also not needed ?

Carnists pushing their beliefs on billboards - does that also upset you ?

Never seen a go Carnist billboard.

Maybe when they exist Carnists might start putting them up?

emaherx

Serious question though. Had an omelette last week made with 3 eggs, how many chickens died to make my omelette?

aaakev

emaherx wrote: »

Serious question though. Had an omelette last week made with 3 eggs, how many chickens died to make my omelette?

Not a single one

Worztron

emaherx wrote: »

Serious question though. Had an omelette last week made with 3 eggs, how many chickens died to make my omelette?

From https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/egg-industry:
"male chicks are of no use for egg or meat production, and are killed almost immediately after hatching. They are either thrown into an industrial grinder (‘macerator’) while still alive or gassed to death"

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What's Wrong With Eggs? The Truth About The Egg Industry [some graphic content]

emaherx

Worztron wrote: »

From https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/egg-industry:
"male chicks are of no use for egg or meat production, and are killed almost immediately after hatching. They are either thrown into an industrial grinder (‘macerator’) while still alive or gassed to death"

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What's Wrong With Eggs? The Truth About The Egg Industry ðŸ³

That article while shocking cotains some inaccuracies and also has no relevance to the source of the eggs in my particular omelette.

Tar.Aldarion

emaherx wrote: »

That article while shocking cotains some inaccuracies and also has no relevance to the source of the eggs in my particular omelette.

You'll have to ask the hatchery?

If you are asking about the veracity of the billboard then do so, I won't be tolerating much more of this kind of post.

emaherx

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

You'll have to ask the hatchery?

If you are asking about the veracity of the billboard then do so, I won't be tolerating much more of this kind of post.

Nope

wexie

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

You'll have to ask the hatchery?

If you are asking about the veracity of the billboard then do so, I won't be tolerating much more of this kind of post.

I think what emaherx is referring to is that she (he?) probably keeps her own hens (like many people in Ireland) and there's therefor no deaths involved in the making of the omelettes (unless of course you'd argue that any egg has the potential to be a chicken but I imagine that would depend on whether or not there's a rooster around)

Tar.Aldarion

wexie wrote: »

I think what emaherx is referring to is that she (he?) probably keeps her own hens (like many people in Ireland) and there's therefor no deaths involved in the making of the omelettes (unless of course you'd argue that any egg has the potential to be a chicken but I imagine that would depend on whether or not there's a rooster around)

Even hens kept at home are usually sourced from places where male chicks are killed, which funds that. Vague questions about somebodies own personal circumstance, without even giving them are useless and are doubly useless for the population at large. Even if somebody found some more ethical operation where everybody grows up together, nobody is killed and they live out their lives in old age even when they do not provide any more - it wouldn't apply to nearly anybody else.

emaherx

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Even hens kept at home are usually sourced from places where male chicks are killed, which funds that. Vague questions about somebodies own personal circumstance, without even giving them are useless and are doubly useless for the population at large. Even if somebody found some more ethical operation where everybody grows up together, nobody is killed and they live out their lives in old age when they do not provide ant more - it wouldn't apply to nearly anybody else.

As said above, many many people keep their own birds. Many sourcing from other small producers and many get rescue hens (or can only vegans do that?)

Being vauge almost as bad and annoying as producing evidence of the most vile production methods and trying to convince the world all producers are guilty of the same acts??


Thanks Tar.Aldarion, you have just more or less agreed with every non-vegan to ever visit this forum. You can't take one example and apply it to every situation. Bravo!

emaherx

Like this one example of cattle treated poorly has no connection to the average farm. Infact animals this malnurished would be counter productive on any farm.

"Vague questions about somebodies own personal circumstance, without even giving them are useless and are doubly useless for the population at large"

Lady Haywire

emaherx wrote: »

Like this one example of cattle treated poorly has no connection to the average farm. Infact animals this malnurished would be counter productive on any farm.

"Vague questions about somebodies own personal circumstance, without even giving them are useless and are doubly useless for the population at large"

Ah but you wouldn't get the right underlying message across with happy, healthy, well-fed cattle outside would you.
Look at these two poor victims of abuse outside my door.
"Victims of violence for sale" :rolleyes:

Tilikum17

https://www.plantbasednews.org/post/giant-anti-dairy-billboards-uks-busiest-motorway

aaakev

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Even hens kept at home are usually sourced from places where male chicks are killed, which funds that. Vague questions about somebodies own personal circumstance, without even giving them are useless and are doubly useless for the population at large. Even if somebody found some more ethical operation where everybody grows up together, nobody is killed and they live out their lives in old age even when they do not provide any more - it wouldn't apply to nearly anybody else.

Who is getting killed now? I could have sworn you were talking about chickens but you said everybody and nobody....

emaherx

Tilikum17 wrote: »

https://www.plantbasednews.org/post/giant-anti-dairy-billboards-uks-busiest-motorway

Also far from the norm on the average dairy farm and a practice that is unheard of in this country. So buy Irish

Infact if 50% of an Irish Dairy farms calves turned up in a knackery they would be visited fairly swiftly by department inspectors.

aaakev

emaherx wrote: »

Also far from the norm on the average dairy farm and a practice that is unheard of in this country. So buy Irish

Infact if 50% of an Irish Dairy farms calves turned up in a knackery they would be visited fairly swiftly by department inspectors.

Stop telling the truth man, it doesn't suit their agenda....

emaherx

It's first and last day? Tis some calf for a day old to be fair

Tilikum17

emaherx wrote: »

Also far from the norm on the average dairy farm and a practice that is unheard of in this country. So buy Irish

Infact if 50% of an Irish Dairy farms calves turned up in a knackery they would be visited fairly swiftly by department inspectors.

*because it doesn’t happen it Ireland, it’s ok by us*

aaakev

Tilikum17 wrote: »

*because it doesn’t happen it Ireland, it’s ok by us*

We have high standards so that billboard has no relevance over here. Have any of you ever bothered to visit a farm and see how well animals are treated in Ireland?