Flightradar24 Thread Part III

Growler!!! wrote: »

As far as I can see the 2 new Stobart ATR's are the only flights to depart ORK this morning (FMJ and FMK).

Can't find the FR902 has it left yet?

Stobarts left from RWY25, no jet aircraft have departed due to crosswind limits of RWY16/35 being exceeded.

Any idea what the RJ's X wind limit is? It's a type I never really looked at much?

Carnacalla wrote: »

Stuck in limbo between the new and old runway numbers

Yes RWY17/35.

Ha ha you can't use that excuse yet. Not until after April:D then we'll all be confused for a bit!

For anyone who may be wondering where exactly a waypoint is when traffic is routed towards one, this is a handy website that gives the coordinates and a map of the any waypoint.

http://opennav.com

You can make a good guess-timate from looking at FR24 but this site may prove useful for some. Just be careful with the spelling, and if you can't exactly make it out, remember many waypoint names contain five letters, two of which are vowels, so even if you can't hear it properly, it's possible that if you do a quick mental comprehension and juggling of sorts you'll end up with the right answer. Others may contain a mixture of letters and numbers.

(Of course, on the flight deck if unsure you will ask for the name to be spelt phonetically to avoid any confusion to avoid ending up somewhere you're not meant to be :pac:)

pepe the prawn wrote: »

The attached brochure (no I'm not thinking of buying one but may have to if there's no other jobs available for me in 10 months time ) says 35kts being the maximum demonstrated crosswind but I have seen in an accident report that it's 33 knots, which may be operator specific..

http://www.aviation-broker.com/uploads/media/RJ_Tech_data_at_a_glance__April_2004.pdf




Accident report, RJ almost went off-roading...

https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media/5422fceced915d13710008fd/dft_avsafety_pdf_501191.pdf

Nice brochure with lots of good info. The JAR fuel policy is nicely explained and should be stickied here for the journo info re " have they got enough fuel":D

doodahump wrote: »

bhx flew directly over runway and went around

Text book explaination of a go around right there.

wow looks like its down but would not have liked to have been in that aeroplane!

doodahump wrote: »

dude I just happen to work in the airport business park and noticed the flight as I have a view of the ballygarvan approach here. no text book anything from me as im not an aviation buff,just noticed the thread on boards and as id seen the thing popped a comment in. apologies if im unqualified for this forum

You entirely misunderstood! It was a compliment.

For someone who is not an aviation buff you have described exactly what a go around is. You fly over the runway and climb away from the ground.

No need for apologies either, everyone on here started with 0 posts and learned from the other posters. It's refreshing to get new blood on the forum.

Can I suggest listening to Liveatc.com Cork feed and you'll hear the atc and pilot transmissions also.

Growler!!! wrote: »

Can't find the FR902 has it left yet?

Looks like it went out to the runway, had a look, turned around and headed back to gate...

Ah sorry - I guess you cant detect tone from a board message lol- had just downloaded the flightradar app and when I saw the bhx abort I had to check it out - amazing stuff really. Will check out the ATC - amazing you can actually listen in also! I remember back in the 80's a cousin of mine had some sort of a scanner to listen into the pilots. Used to amaze me as a kid. chances of getting any work done are zero now lol

Growler!!! wrote: »

You entirely misunderstood! It was a compliment.

For someone who is not an aviation buff you have described exactly what a go around is. You fly over the runway and climb away from the ground.

No need for apologies either, everyone on here started with 0 posts and learned from the other posters. It's refreshing to get new blood on the forum.

Can I suggest listening to Liveatc.com Cork feed and you'll hear the atc and pilot transmissions also.

doodahump wrote: »

Ah sorry - I guess you cant detect tone from a board message lol- had just downloaded the flightradar app and when I saw the bhx abort I had to check it out - amazing stuff really. Will check out the ATC - amazing you can actually listen in also! I remember back in the 80's a cousin of mine had some sort of a scanner to listen into the pilots. Used to amaze me as a kid. chances of getting any work done are zero now lol

welcome to the forum. still have an old scanner stored away. no longer use it though as liveatc does the job. the new tech is fantastic. enjoy listening and learning

daelight wrote: »

RYR5554 appears diverting to LPL from Cardiff?



Looks like MAN .. but wonder why they didn't try BRS as much closer to destination, or even BHX?

BRS has the same wind, BHX has an awkward runway angle. Pilots select their alternative before every takeoff, influenced by weather conditions, distance, runway, company preference and operational logistics to name a few. Why do ORK flights so often divert to SNN and not KIR?

pepe the prawn wrote: »

I'd imagine that in SNN airlines have good ground crews and a good availability of alternative transport for pax etc. KIR, whilst having a perfectly long runway, ILS, and runway orientation favouring the prevailing winds in Ireland, has very limited ground operations for more than one commercial aircraft at a time. Also, KIR closes every night at 20:15, so if a flight does divert in there late in the evening, it's staying there until 0600 the following morning until the airport opens again.

It was a rhetorical question.
But you did fulfil it perfectly, all the reasons above are examples of why certain airports are picked as alternates, and others not.

30kts max crosswind for take off for the whisper jet (RJ), 35 is the landing limit

AndyP wrote: »

It was a 737-300, not terribly modern

When was that one built?

daelight wrote: »

Was really hoping for an answer from the crew but thanks anyway!

The crew of that aircraft? Good luck!

If you mean someone more qualified, maybe try the Ask an airline pilot thread? They will likely tell you something similar to what I said.

daelight wrote: »

Was really hoping for an answer from the crew but thanks anyway!

There's a lot goes into this. For example signing in for work pilots will collect their OFP (Operating Flight Plan) before briefing.

Detailed in the OFP is 4 alternates in terms of priority e.g. from a Cork flight today; C1 EINN (Shannon) C2 EIDW (Dublin) C3 EGAA (Belfast Aldergrove) C4 EGGD (Bristol). Detailed in these 4 alternates will be the proposed routing, the estimated time, the estimated fuel burn, estimated distance, the calculated flight level etc.

Now it won't always be 4 alternates either, although where possible it usually will be. Included in the OFP will be en-route alternates on the actual proposed flight route, and as well as that forecast METARs for all these alternates, so the crew will discuss the weather, the proposed threats, and review the calculated fuel for the trip make adjustments where and if necessary prior to even leaving the crew room. Obviously this can also change again later down the line.

A scenario for example with the Ryanair flight that diverted today from Cardiff to Manchester and not to Bristol (BRS) could be;

1) Whats the latest wx, will we actually land if we divert to e.g. BRS
2) Will their be a further delay in arrival to the proposed diversion point
3) Are the resources their to look after us when we land (Even if the airline already flies to e.g. BRS, lack of stands and local crewing of ground handlers at the particular time can actually see diversions not suitable)

The majority of crews into Cork will nearly 99% of the time go for Shannon; Kerry is nearly all the time unsuitable you have about 2 stands available, and restricted operational hours a nightmare for crew planners.

Here's a good little reminder of how quick the preferred alternate can disappear very quickly, and how fuel planning during forecast bad weather is absolutely crucial. You'll hear in this how both Aer Lingus and Ryanair crews engage with their company to discuss the current preferred alternates taking into account points 1 to 3.

reforger wrote: »

BA 69 diverting to Dublin.

Hmm, unusual considering the usual diversion point is SNN.

Anyone have any idea about the nature of the emergency?

Medical emergency, were you the Ryanair who just asked the nature of the emergency for "planning purposes", Carnacalla?

tippman1 wrote: »

According toTwitter it says "the needs of a passenger" I'm surmising it's medical?

Affirm.