Australian Open 2019

jr86 · 14-01-2019 1:21pm

lostcat wrote: »

hmm, if he is clearly crocked and takes his place in what amounts to an honourary first round match, which he loses, he would want to donate his appearance fee to whomever poor lowby he bumped off the match..otherwise, why not.

hopefully he is fit enough to give it the effort he gave today, which was immense

Yeah I dunno would it be Murray's style to turn up and play if it was clear he wasn't going to be competitive, just to get a nice send off?

I'd imagine he would try and play a few events in the meantime and will want to actually give it a go

yerwanthere123 · 14-01-2019 1:25pm

It's a shame that Murray will end up on 3 slams, based on his talent I think he should've ended up with 6 or 7. Imagine if he was five years younger.

Bubblegummers · 14-01-2019 1:35pm

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

It's a shame that Murray will end up on 3 slams, based on his talent I think he should've ended up with 6 or 7. Imagine if he was five years younger.

Only reason is cause the era he competed in. Top tier of Nole , Rafa , Roger ,Stan with the likes of Sasha and Thiem coming through the past 2 3byers l.

loyatemu · 14-01-2019 1:35pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

People go on about how Murray underachieved but they are comparing him to guys who won a ridiculous amount of slams,
He has 3 slams (2 Wimbledon 1 USO) and 2 Olympic Golds.
Also was #1 during the Nadal,Federer, Djokovic era.

Fantastic achievements.

he also reached a huge number of finals and semis - I've seen people comparing him to Wawrinka because they both won 3 slams, but Murrays overall record is streets ahead of Stan's.

EDIT - just checked and he's in the all-time top 10 for quarters and semis reached and matches played at Grand Slams.

jr86 · 14-01-2019 1:59pm

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

It's a shame that Murray will end up on 3 slams, based on his talent I think he should've ended up with 6 or 7. Imagine if he was five years younger.

Agree, 100%

I think the Wimbledon final in 16 was the only slam final where he didn’t play someone ranked above him. I think it was also the first slam overall where Murray was ever a favourite at any stage. That’s mental for a player who was ranked number 2 quite a bit by that stage. It was the only slam he ever really got a stroke of luck in

People look at this particular injury and how it has prematurely ended his career but many forgot Murray had to essentially write off a season in 2014 due to his back. Back then he was 26/27 bang in his prime years and had gotten over the first slam hurdle and first Wimbledon hurdle

Its hard to look at any of the slams he played in and say it was a clear chance missed. His loss against nadal at W’don 2011 was disappointing as he had Nadal at his mercy in the second set and I really think he had progressed to a better grass player than Nadal at that point, but lost it mainly upstairs.

It would have been nice to pick up an AO somewhere but any year he played well it coincided with peak-Djokovic. Funnily enough its probably been his best slam historically in terms of consistent high performances.

Floppybits · 14-01-2019 2:44pm

loyatemu wrote: »

he also reached a huge number of finals and semis - I've seen people comparing him to Wawrinka because they both won 3 slams, but Murrays overall record is streets ahead of Stan's.

EDIT - just checked and he's in the all-time top 10 for quarters and semis reached and matches played at Grand Slams.

I don't know why people are comparing him to Stan, maybe it is the 3 slams they both have but Murray has been a better more consistent player than Stan. His record is

3 - Grand slams
2 - Olympic golds
11 - Grand slam final appearances

Stan's record is

3 - Grand Slams
4 - Grand Slam Final appearances.

If I was to look at ATP titles won between the 2, Murray is streets ahead. 11 Grand slam final appearances in the era of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic is unreal.

yerwanthere123 · 14-01-2019 3:08pm

Murray's also finished in the top 4 for nine consecutive seasons. It's only Murray's detractor's who try to state their career's are comparable, anybody who actually follows the sport knows that Murray's career is streets ahead of Wawrinka's.

walshb · 14-01-2019 5:31pm

Any more Murray tears today?

Joe_ Public · 14-01-2019 6:00pm

walshb wrote: »

Any more Murray tears today?

Nearly but not quite. Like in Jerry Maguire they did everything they could to get him to spill but while voice cracked a bit, he didn’t oblige. Didn’t even give them the satisfaction of officially announcing his retirement as they clearly wanted.

josip · 14-01-2019 8:30pm

Sad to see Murray's career end prematurely.
It would have been nice to see what he would have won if he'd been able to play to the end.
Nobody had more heart or commitment.

SophieLockhart · 14-01-2019 11:34pm

Floppybits wrote: »

I don't know why people are comparing him to Stan, maybe it is the 3 slams they both have but Murray has been a better more consistent player than Stan. His record is

3 - Grand slams
2 - Olympic golds
11 - Grand slam final appearances

Stan's record is

3 - Grand Slams
4 - Grand Slam Final appearances.

If I was to look at ATP titles won between the 2, Murray is streets ahead. 11 Grand slam final appearances in the era of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic is unreal.

Yes but there is a belief that peak Stan was superior to peak Murray. If the Big 3 were honest, they might admit to preferring Murray in a Slam final rather than Stan.

Rob2D · 15-01-2019 12:30am

SophieLockhart wrote: »

Yes but there is a belief that peak Stan was superior to peak Murray. If the Big 3 were honest, they might admit to preferring Murray in a Slam final rather than Stan.

This. Murray was FAR more consistent. But when Stanimal showed up.....all bets were off.

Bubblegummers · 15-01-2019 12:33am

Rob2D wrote: »

This. Murray was FAR more consistent. But when Stanimal showed up.....all bets were off.

Stanimal can show up in round one, then in Round 2 Taylor fritz could break him 3 times in a set.

yerwanthere123 · 15-01-2019 1:16am

I know she's never exactly been a model of consistency, but Ostapenko is in terrible form right now. 0-3 to start the year, on a five match losing streak and lost seven of her last eight matches. Hasn't won consecutive matches since the US Open.

Floppybits · 15-01-2019 10:46am

I see Stan has retired in his first round match.

shamrock55 · 15-01-2019 10:47am

Floppybits wrote: »

I see Stan has retired in his first round match.

He may aswell pack it in for good now too

josip · 15-01-2019 11:03am

Halep has lost the first set, unlikely to lose either of the next 2.

josip · 15-01-2019 11:14am

Floppybits wrote: »

I see Stan has retired in his first round match.

It was Wawrinka's opponent Gulbis who retired.

Joe_ Public · 15-01-2019 11:18am

josip wrote: »

Halep has lost the first set, unlikely to lose either of the next 2.

One of the tougher R1 draws I’d say, in a real battle out there. 50-50 match as things stand.

Bubblegummers · 15-01-2019 11:27am

shamrock55 wrote: »

He may aswell pack it in for good now too

Gulbis retired 3 1 down and a set up in the 2nd

Joe_ Public · 15-01-2019 11:57am

Halep must be hating Kanepi right now, given she dumped her out of US Open in R1 last time they met. Would be some dose to see a repeat here!

Joe_ Public · 15-01-2019 12:00pm

Breaks from 0-40, didn’t see that coming. Halep should be home now.

yerwanthere123 · 15-01-2019 12:26pm

Azarenka out in the first round to Siegemund, very difficult to know what's going on with her these days. She's got the travelling situation sorted out, at least for the moment, so I don't know what the issue is. She's done well with her two grand slams but I think she should've won at least twice that.

Osaka's looking in fine form so far.

Rob2D · 15-01-2019 1:35pm

The women are always a mixed bag. I don't know why anyone is ever surprised.

I see Paire is losing. Hopefully I can catch a meltdown during my lunch break! :pac:

josip · 15-01-2019 3:15pm

Paire fighting back against Thiem.

He won the 3rd set and is a break up in the 4th.

Hector Savage · 15-01-2019 3:50pm

Thiem is mentally weak, it's a shame these new young lads just aren't up for it ... it's on serve in the 5th and his shoulders are slumped, he needs to stop thinking of the 2-0 lead he had and just finish the job, still needs to win one more set, same as 2/0.

Thats the way you think of these things, dammit I should go into coaching :P

Bubblegummers · 15-01-2019 4:13pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Thiem is mentally weak, it's a shame these new young lads just aren't up for it ... it's on serve in the 5th and his shoulders are slumped, he needs to stop thinking of the 2-0 lead he had and just finish the job, still needs to win one more set, same as 2/0.

Thats the way you think of these things, dammit I should go into coaching :P

I remember playing in Carrickmines **** if we could all have that mentality you’d drive it home. You can’t stop a momentum swing. The 3 missed match points at 3 5 final set could of been back to haunt him. Paire is brutal too.

Floppybits · 15-01-2019 6:13pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Thiem is mentally weak, it's a shame these new young lads just aren't up for it ... it's on serve in the 5th and his shoulders are slumped, he needs to stop thinking of the 2-0 lead he had and just finish the job, still needs to win one more set, same as 2/0.

Thats the way you think of these things, dammit I should go into coaching :P

Funny you should mention that, Annabel Croft was just talking about that today. She said players today dont seem to be able to cope with the stresses in the game and need to vent at their boxes. This was after the Halep match.

Rob2D · 15-01-2019 7:07pm

Floppybits wrote: »

She said players today dont seem to be able to cope with the stresses in the game and need to vent at their boxes.

I've been saying this for ages as well. If you ever look at Federer/Nadal when they **** up a point, they immediately collect themselves. And you can see them start to focus inwards and think about what went wrong.

A lot of the younger ones seem to just throw tantrums when it doesn't go their way. Murray was also a huge example of this, constantly moaning and looking up to mammy in the box. It really held him back.

Nole can be guilty of it too at times, but he seems to be able to push through it.

Chivito550 · 15-01-2019 9:33pm

I see that “The Coach” feature is no longer part of Game Schett and Mats.

All because of the fallout from Serena-gate?

Floppybits · 15-01-2019 9:47pm

Rob2D wrote: »

I've been saying this for ages as well. If you ever look at Federer/Nadal when they **** up a point, they immediately collect themselves. And you can see them start to focus inwards and think about what went wrong.

A lot of the younger ones seem to just throw tantrums when it doesn't go their way. Murray was also a huge example of this, constantly moaning and looking up to mammy in the box. It really held him back.

Nole can be guilty of it too at times, but he seems to be able to push through it.

Worse thing they did was allow coaching during matches on the women's tour. A big part of the game is figuring out a way to win on your own when things aren't going your way.

bada_bing · 15-01-2019 10:43pm

Am really annoyed with the coverage of Eurosport on SKY, i wanted to see the highlights of djokovic's match today but all i've seen so far is all the british players matches, all the women's matches. Yesterday they made sure to repeat Federer's match which i'm fine with as he's the defending champion. i might have missed the highlights but i've been checking every hour or so and still no sign of highlights of the world number 1 player, Wimbledon and US Open champion. Is Eurosport just too biased or what?? and don't get me started on the Rolex ads, not a single mention of 6 time winner djokovic!!!

mzungu · 15-01-2019 11:38pm

Rob2D wrote: »

I've been saying this for ages as well. If you ever look at Federer/Nadal when they **** up a point, they immediately collect themselves. And you can see them start to focus inwards and think about what went wrong.

A lot of the younger ones seem to just throw tantrums when it doesn't go their way. Murray was also a huge example of this, constantly moaning and looking up to mammy in the box. It really held him back.

Nole can be guilty of it too at times, but he seems to be able to push through it.

Aye. He has enough raw talent so it doesn't hamper his game as much.

mzungu · 15-01-2019 11:40pm

bada_bing wrote: »

Am really annoyed with the coverage of Eurosport on SKY, i wanted to see the highlights of djokovic's match today but all i've seen so far is all the british players matches, all the women's matches. Yesterday they made sure to repeat Federer's match which i'm fine with as he's the defending champion. i might have missed the highlights but i've been checking every hour or so and still no sign of highlights of the world number 1 player, Wimbledon and US Open champion. Is Eurosport just too biased or what?? and don't get me started on the Rolex ads, not a single mention of 6 time winner djokovic!!!

You can get highlights (ranging from 5 to 15 minutes) on YouTube if Eurosport don't end up showing it.

Johnmb · 15-01-2019 11:47pm

bada_bing wrote: »

and don't get me started on the Rolex ads, not a single mention of 6 time winner djokovic!!!

He's not sponsored by Rolex, so they can't use his image in their ads. All the rest are either sponsored or were able to sign a release. Djokovic is sponsored by Seiko, so he can't sign a release with Rolex.

josip · 16-01-2019 11:30am

bada_bing wrote: »

Am really annoyed with the coverage of Eurosport on SKY, i wanted to see the highlights of djokovic's match today but all i've seen so far is all the british players matches, all the women's matches. Yesterday they made sure to repeat Federer's match which i'm fine with as he's the defending champion. i might have missed the highlights but i've been checking every hour or so and still no sign of highlights of the world number 1 player, Wimbledon and US Open champion. Is Eurosport just too biased or what?? and don't get me started on the Rolex ads, not a single mention of 6 time winner djokovic!!!

I signed up for the Eurosport Player using a Bargain Alerts link before Christmas and it looks like I have a choice of 5 different matches to watch.
Are they all live or are some of them just replays?

Floppybits · 16-01-2019 11:37am

Bastista Agut is in another marathon 5 setter, Aussie Millman has come from 2 sets down against him. If Bastista Agut gets through this he will be exhausted for the next round. Millman must be the slight favorite to win this.

Hector Savage · 16-01-2019 12:54pm

Just sickening .... This will all come out in 10/15 years - but of course it won't matter then ...

Floppybits · 16-01-2019 12:55pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Just sickening .... This will all come out in 10/15 years - but of course it won't matter then ...

Whats this?

josip · 16-01-2019 1:00pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Whats this?

I suspect Nadal won

Hector Savage · 16-01-2019 1:02pm

Im raging I missed putting money on him at 8/1 ...

Bubblegummers · 16-01-2019 1:28pm

Kevin Anderson so technically poor last night it was unreal granted he seemed to have a slight injury to his shoulder or elbow.

Johnmb · 16-01-2019 2:09pm

josip wrote: »

I signed up for the Eurosport Player using a Bargain Alerts link before Christmas and it looks like I have a choice of 5 different matches to watch.
Are they all live or are some of them just replays?

All live. Every court is being shown on Eurosport Player. If you log on after midnight this week you'll get a larger choice than just five matches, all of them live.

Hector Savage · 16-01-2019 2:35pm

Got him at 8.5 !!!
Nice ... It will make it easier to take

Floppybits · 16-01-2019 7:26pm

A few good matches tomorrow Djokovic vs Tsonga, Wawrinka vs Raonic, A Zevrev vs Chardy

Chivito550 · 16-01-2019 11:40pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Im raging I missed putting money on him at 8/1 ...

Tenner each way at 17/2. My usual insurance bet in case the unthinkable happens.

Bubblegummers · 17-01-2019 10:56am

Alex bolt on fire here

josip · 17-01-2019 11:08am

Bubblegummers wrote: »

Alex bolt on fire here

Thanks, I can take an early break in work to watch the end.
The Eurosport player is excellent.

Bubblegummers · 17-01-2019 12:38pm

josip wrote: »

Thanks, I can take an early break in work to watch the end.
The Eurosport player is excellent.

I watch on williamhill it shows every game too.

Floppybits · 17-01-2019 12:55pm

Djokovic vs Tsonga on now, thought it was all over there when Djokovic broke Tsonga to go 3-1 up in the first set but fair play to Tsonga he has broke back. I hope Tsonga can give a Djokovic a game.

Australian Open 2019

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