The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

Christy42 · 21-01-2021 1:02am

Yeah can't wait to see us ruin Lawrence's careerðŸ˜. Maybe if we could create somewhere players want to play...

I would not be so sure on Dak hitting free agency, Cowboys can tag him again which I would expect.

On Mac Jones, the few far too early mock drafts don't have him going in the first round so you should be safe enough if Bill wants him at 15.

Itssoeasy · 21-01-2021 8:07pm

Okay Colts fans on boards. Nick sirianni ? What do eagles fans need to know ?

letowski · 21-01-2021 8:53pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Okay Colts fans on boards. Nick sirianni ? What do eagles fans need to know ?

Good coach. From following Colts and their media interviews, he comes across as a very likeable kind of guy and you'd hear it from the players aswell. He is well respected in Indy

Being under Frank Reich, it will likely be a QB-friendly offense. Up-tempo, ball out quick, you know your typical west coast offense, plenty mesh concepts, pick routes, etc. We don't have an explosive offense here in Indy, but we have a good oline, strong running game, we control the football and are efficient enough. I get the feeling that's why the Eagles are taking Sirianni, Reich/Sirianni have done a great job maximizing Andrew Luck and Phillip Rivers' play, and of course Reich was the OC for Carson Wentz and Nick Foles during that Superbowl run.

I think yere front office still haven't gave up on Wentz and want to get a coach that they believe can get the best out of a QB.

I think Sirianni will make a good HC. He'll be well respected and is a smart offensive mind.

Foxtrol · 22-01-2021 2:53pm

Martin Mayhew has been hired as GM of the Football Team and report directly to Rivera. Really shows the power Rivera has solidified with the franchise.

Given that he is a minority candidate that means that the 49ers now have 3rd round comp picks in the 2021, 2022, and 2023 drafts (new rule that you get 2 picks from the first minority hire you 'develop' and lose in a given year (Saleh) and then 1 additional if you lose another). I don't think it is clear yet if these comp picks are in addition to the player comp picks or if they replace them (i.e., all player comp picks are pushed down and some teams at the bottom will lose out)

the baby bull elephant · 22-01-2021 3:33pm

Hadn't realised the comp picks for development staff went that far. Bit mad given Mayhew was formerly the GM for the Lions.

Mr. Guappa · 22-01-2021 3:41pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Martin Mayhew has been hired as GM of the Football Team and report directly to Rivera. Really shows the power Rivera has solidified with the franchise.

Given that he is a minority candidate that means that the 49ers now have 3rd round comp picks in the 2021, 2022, and 2023 drafts (new rule that you get 2 picks from the first minority hire you 'develop' and lose in a given year (Saleh) and then 1 additional if you lose another). I don't think it is clear yet if these comp picks are in addition to the player comp picks or if they replace them (i.e., all player comp picks are pushed down and some teams at the bottom will lose out)

I think they are in addition to the player comp picks, and in the third round these picks come after the player comp picks in the draft order. I read the other day that 32 player comp picks are awarded each year, and these coach/GM picks are additional.

The_Honeybadger · 22-01-2021 4:05pm

Good incentive to develop minority candidates but it probably shouldn’t apply if the candidate has already held an equivalent position in the past. 49ers will gladly take the picks however

Foxtrol · 22-01-2021 4:22pm

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

Hadn't realised the comp picks for development staff went that far. Bit mad given Mayhew was formerly the GM for the Lions.

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Good incentive to develop minority candidates but it probably shouldn’t apply if the candidate has already held an equivalent position in the past. 49ers will gladly take the picks however

I know I might be biased given that we just got the picks but I think it still makes sense for minority candidates who have previously held HC or GM roles elsewhere to be available for these picks.

This rule is trying to put more minority candidates in the shop window for jobs (rather than the 'jobs for the boys') and excluding people deemed to be previously qualified from that benefit doesn't help achieving that goal. You want to promote keeping those minority candidates who failed in their first run in the active pool, rather than them falling away and disappearing.

Leinster90 · 22-01-2021 5:20pm

Does anyone know if I sign up to the ESPN player’s free trial, can I watch the new Manti Te’o documentary tonight? Or is it geo-blocked and I would need a VPN?

The_Honeybadger · 22-01-2021 5:34pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

I know I might be biased given that we just got the picks but I think it still makes sense for minority candidates who have previously held HC or GM roles elsewhere to be available for these picks.

This rule is trying to put more minority candidates in the shop window for jobs (rather than the 'jobs for the boys') and excluding people deemed to be previously qualified from that benefit doesn't help achieving that goal. You want to promote keeping those minority candidates who failed in their first run in the active pool, rather than them falling away and disappearing.

Yeah I’d have no major issue with it really. It’s a very clever way of incentivising minority hires at the lower levels and giving guys opportunities. It shouldn’t be necessary in the first place but there you go. A comp pick three years running is very nice for the 49ers

BonnieSituation · 23-01-2021 12:03am

Patricia going back to NE is something...

https://www.nfl.com/news/matt-patricia-returning-to-patriots-in-role-that-combines-scouting-and-working-w

The Texans interviewing Josh McCown is the essence of left-field.

https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-interview-josh-mccown-jim-caldwell-for-vacant-head-coaching-job

Realt Dearg Sec · 23-01-2021 1:18am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Patricia going back to NE is something...

https://www.nfl.com/news/matt-patricia-returning-to-patriots-in-role-that-combines-scouting-and-working-w

The Texans interviewing Josh McCown is the essence of left-field.

https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-interview-josh-mccown-jim-caldwell-for-vacant-head-coaching-job

Speaking of left field...The Bears just interviewed Mike Singletary for their DC position. He was recently fired from a high school coaching job where he won one game in two years.

I mean the guy is a legend round Chicago but my God...

Shedite27 · 23-01-2021 10:51am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Speaking of left field...The Bears just interviewed Mike Singletary for their DC position. He was recently fired from a high school coaching job where he won one game in two years.

I mean the guy is a legend round Chicago but my God...

Stinks of a token effort to satisfy the Rooney Rule

Realt Dearg Sec · 23-01-2021 8:38pm

Shedite27 wrote: »

Stinks of a token effort to satisfy the Rooney Rule

Does that apply to coordinators? Thought that role was only for head coach searches

The_Honeybadger · 23-01-2021 10:05pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Does that apply to coordinators? Thought that role was only for head coach searches

They have to interview one minority candidate for coordinator positions seemingly

23-01-2021 10:16pm

Sounds like just how the Rooney rule should be treated. It’s a joke.

Itssoeasy · 24-01-2021 12:22am

It’s being reported that the lions and Matthew Stafford are parting ways in the off season. With Phillip rivers calling it a day you’d think the Colts would be in the frame to sign him.

letowski · 24-01-2021 12:52am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It’s being reported that the lions and Matthew Stafford are parting ways in the off season. With Phillip rivers calling it a day you’d think the Colts would be in the frame to sign him.

Yeah I'd expect so. We have all 7 pick and 2nd most cap space so we would be in play I'd say to take on a $30m contract.

the baby bull elephant · 24-01-2021 1:04am

letowski wrote: »

Yeah I'd expect so. We have all 7 pick and 2nd most cap space so we would be in play I'd say to take on a $30m contract.

Has contract is really good for whoever takes it on. $43m over two years.

Whoever gets him is getting a top competitor, he's taken so many hit but keeps getting back up. My favourite player, I don't know if I support him or the Lions more.

Realt Dearg Sec · 24-01-2021 7:54am

Probably the most underrated quarterback in the league, totally held back by playing for a really badly run organisation. Would love him to go to the bears but...I mean he's trying to get away from bad organisations so I assume he'll want to go somewhere good.

BonnieSituation · 24-01-2021 12:44pm

Denver. For the love of Christ Denver.

raze_them_all_ · 24-01-2021 4:01pm

Indy maybe??

letowski · 24-01-2021 6:48pm

For Stafford’s suitors, I think when you crosstab teams with cap space, draft capital and teams that have a QB need (excluding teams with high draft picks), then it really only leaves Washington, New England and Indianapolis. 49ers would be in the running but they are too tight with cap space and probably would like to re-sign Trent Williams too. It will be interesting to see if New England make a move, it would give you an idea if Bill thinks he can win a SB in the short term or not.

24-01-2021 7:15pm

Any chance Detroit would call his bluff?

raze_them_all_ · 24-01-2021 7:52pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Any chance Detroit would call his bluff?

What bluff!? He wants out. Its not a contract negotiation tactic

24-01-2021 7:54pm

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

What bluff!? He wants out. Its not a contract negotiation tactic

He wants out but he’s under contract presumably.

BonnieSituation · 24-01-2021 8:20pm

letowski wrote: »

For Stafford’s suitors, I think when you crosstab teams with cap space, draft capital and teams that have a QB need (excluding teams with high draft picks), then it really only leaves Washington, New England and Indianapolis. 49ers would be in the running but they are too tight with cap space and probably would like to re-sign Trent Williams too. It will be interesting to see if New England make a move, it would give you an idea if Bill thinks he can win a SB in the short term or not.

Indy for me then the 49ers. But I know what I want!

Masked Man · 24-01-2021 8:38pm

Stafford is probably cheaper than Jimmy G so the 49ers may save on cap space depending on how they ship Jimmy away.

I though the Lions had agreed to move on from Stafford?

Lionbacker · 24-01-2021 8:45pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

He wants out but he’s under contract presumably.

I think the Lions seem happy enough to let him leave.

They are definetly pressing the reset button on the whole thing. The defence will need a serious rebuild after the damage Patricia did to it. Looks like all of the recivers bar a rookie are out the door. Whats left of the roster is an good OL, 1 decent RB & 1 decent TE.
Would be cruel to keep Stafford under those circumstances. Would like to see him go on to see success at a new franchise (as long as it's not within the NFC North).

Not too unhappy that they're starting from scratch. Not going to challenge the Packers anytime soon & a rookie QB (hopefully Wilson or Fields) should'nt be destroyed behind a relatively strong OL, like Burrow was this past season. New OC Anthony Lynn should be a decent tutor for any new QB too (looking at how Herbert got on with the Chargers this past year).

Foxtrol · 24-01-2021 8:57pm

letowski wrote: »

For Stafford’s suitors, I think when you crosstab teams with cap space, draft capital and teams that have a QB need (excluding teams with high draft picks), then it really only leaves Washington, New England and Indianapolis. 49ers would be in the running but they are too tight with cap space and probably would like to re-sign Trent Williams too. It will be interesting to see if New England make a move, it would give you an idea if Bill thinks he can win a SB in the short term or not.

49ers look to be the front runners if they want Stafford and any auction doesn't get too rich. Practically all the teams before and around them in the draft are either set for QB, will be in the position to draft one of the top rookie QBs in the draft, or likely wouldn't be seen as contenders enough for Stafford to want to join (from all reports it seems the Lions are going to do right by Stafford).

49ers would actually save $4m bringing in Stafford and trading or cutting Garoppolo, so it would put them in an even better position to keep the likes of Williams - that is even before any additional contract massaging they could do with Stafford once he arrives.

I've seen the Colts mentioned a few times but though they have a lot of cap space their draft capital is comparatively pretty weak. For example, the 49ers #12 draft pick is worth around the same as the Colts 1st and 2nd round picks combined.

As a 9ers fan I'm hoping they end up getting Stafford and I'd be ok with giving up the #12 pick and potentially a later pick (or Jimmy) for him as I think he'll be a revelation in the Shanahan offense, vying against the Chiefs for the best in the league. Having said that I'm pretty happy with the position the team is in heading into the offseason. Worst case scenario we end up sticking with a QB that led us to the Super Bowl on an average non-rookie starter price and add one of the top talents in the draft, that should fall due to the run on young QBs.

letowski · 24-01-2021 9:18pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

49ers look to be the front runners if they want Stafford and any auction doesn't get too rich. Practically all the teams before and around them in the draft are either set for QB, will be in the position to draft one of the top rookie QBs in the draft, or likely wouldn't be seen as contenders enough for Stafford to want to join (from all reports it seems the Lions are going to do right by Stafford).

49ers would actually save $4m bringing in Stafford and trading or cutting Garoppolo, so it would put them in an even better position to keep the likes of Williams - that is even before any additional contract massaging they could do with Stafford once he arrives.

I've seen the Colts mentioned a few times but though they have a lot of cap space their draft capital is comparatively pretty weak. For example, the 49ers #12 draft pick is worth around the same as the Colts 1st and 2nd round picks combined.

As a 9ers fan I'm hoping they end up getting Stafford and I'd be ok with giving up the #12 pick and potentially a later pick (or Jimmy) for him as I think he'll be a revelation in the Shanahan offense, vying against the Chiefs for the best in the league. Having said that I'm pretty happy with the position the team is in heading into the offseason. Worst case scenario we end up sticking with a QB that led us to the Super Bowl on an average non-rookie starter price and add one of the top talents in the draft, that should fall due to the run on young QBs.

I didn't realize just looking at Garrapolo's contract, he has so little guaranteed money. It was a good structured front-loaded contract, that would give the 9ers the option to cut him if they were to acquire Stafford.

Foxtrol · 24-01-2021 9:30pm

letowski wrote: »

I didn't realize just looking at Garrapolo's contract, he has so little guaranteed money. It was a good structured front-loaded contract, that would give the 9ers the option to cut him if they were to acquire Stafford.

Our contract guy is great most of the time, generally it means they're structure players play well they'll get even above market rate but if they don't we can get out of it.

The team made a mess of last offseason on which guys they restructured and turned money guaranteed so they're a bit more stuck on a few guys who'd they'd like to escape from now. It was telling that even after they checked out Brady last season and they decided to stick with Jimmy he wasn't one of those they restructured.

I still think they wouldn't have to cut Garoppolo though, as with the amount of QB needy teams he has mid-round trade value. There are rumours he might have a no trade clause in 2021 but I'd say he'd accept a trade to any reasonable team and be certain of his money rather than hit FA and potentially end up with a Cam/Winston type deal.

BrentMused · 25-01-2021 12:23am

Has anyone read Jeff Benedict's book 'The Dynasty'?

A very good book detailing a lot of the background behind Kraft purchasing the Patriots and the relationship between him, Brady and Belichick over the years.

I'm not a Patriots fan but found the behind the scenes insight fascinating and would highly recommend it to any NFL fan.

Benedict is a superb author and also co-wrote that excellent Tiger Woods book a few years ago.

brinty · 25-01-2021 12:32am

BrentMused wrote:

Has anyone read Jeff Benedict's book 'The Dynasty'?

Read the Kindle sample and my wife cut new the book for Christmas, need to get back into it

Christy42 · 25-01-2021 12:34am

BrentMused wrote: »

Has anyone read Jeff Benedict's book 'The Dynasty'?

A very good book detailing a lot of the background behind Kraft purchasing the Patriots and the relationship between him, Brady and Belichick over the years.

I'm not a Patriots fan but found the behind the scenes insight fascinating and would highly recommend it to any NFL fan.

Benedict is a superb author and also co-wrote that excellent Tiger Woods book a few years ago.

Part way through at the moment. Definitely fascinating to see some behind the scenes stuff but definitely has been through the Pats PR team a few times. Definitely taking anything written as having a heap of salt with it.

Masked Man · 25-01-2021 12:36am

It's a very good book alright. Think I said on here before that it was obvious that he didn't have as much access to BB as he did to Kraft and probably Brady which is a bit of a shame and makes me a bit sceptical.

The earlier part of the book covering Kraft's purchase to the hiring of BB are fantastic.

adrian522 · 25-01-2021 12:53am

Garopollo has a no trade clause so it is likely the 49ers would have to release him if they want to trade for Stafford, unless there is a trade to a team he wants to go to.

Foxtrol · 25-01-2021 3:55am

adrian522 wrote: »

Garopollo has a no trade clause so it is likely the 49ers would have to release him if they want to trade for Stafford, unless there is a trade to a team he wants to go to.

I think it is possible if not likely he'd accept a trade to any decent team.

It is a big risk turning down his current contract and hitting FA and potentially ending up with a Dalton/Cam/Winston deal. Once you hit FA you lose all your leverage.

Knex* · 25-01-2021 10:28pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Garopollo has a no trade clause so it is likely the 49ers would have to release him if they want to trade for Stafford, unless there is a trade to a team he wants to go to.

Back to the Pats?

adrian522 · 26-01-2021 11:48am

Sure If the Pats want to pay him $27M next season and give up some draft capital to boot. More likely 49ers would release him and he'd be free to negotiate a new contract. I don't see many teams wanting to take him at his current contract.

28-01-2021 7:53pm

Not a chance it could happen because of value but I’d love the Texans to be able to tell Watson to play, sit, or retire.

Foxtrol · 28-01-2021 9:18pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Not a chance it could happen because of value but I’d love the Texans to be able to tell Watson to play, sit, or retire.

I get the frustration as a fan but I won't shed a tear for the owners or front office in situations like this until all player's contracts are fully guaranteed.

They cut players with contracts every day and pressurize them to sign contract extensions, with tools like the franchise tag.

Fair play to players turning the tide and using their power in the rare situation they have the leverage.

radharc · 29-01-2021 12:05am

BrentMused wrote: »

Has anyone read Jeff Benedict's book 'The Dynasty'?

A very good book detailing a lot of the background behind Kraft purchasing the Patriots and the relationship between him, Brady and Belichick over the years.

I'm not a Patriots fan but found the behind the scenes insight fascinating and would highly recommend it to any NFL fan.

Benedict is a superb author and also co-wrote that excellent Tiger Woods book a few years ago.

I thought the first hundred pages were excellent but there were so many missed opportunities afterwards. Very little about Brady's reaction towards or treatment of Garoppolo, nothing about Kraft's recent 'indiscretions', really not much depth at all on the Belichick/Brady relationship etc. Still an entertaining read but certainly has the feel of an authorised biography of Kraft essentially.

Xavi6 · 29-01-2021 12:55am

I'm all in on the Deshaun Watson trade saga around where he lands and how much it costs in cash and picks, pass the popcorn.

The_Honeybadger · 29-01-2021 1:41am

Xavi6 wrote: »

I'm all in on the Deshaun Watson trade saga around where he lands and how much it costs in cash and picks, pass the popcorn.

There will be lots of airtime given to all sorts of theories but Miami or the Jets are the only teams with the ammunition to do it really. They both select in the top five, have multiple first round picks and could send a cheap young QB the other way. I’d be surprised if he ends up anywhere else, assuming they want him.

That Texans organisation is some sh**show, my god it’s just appalling how badly they’ve messed everything up, and every move they make makes it worse.

Christy42 · 29-01-2021 1:04pm

radharc wrote: »

I thought the first hundred pages were excellent but there were so many missed opportunities afterwards. Very little about Brady's reaction towards or treatment of Garoppolo, nothing about Kraft's recent 'indiscretions', really not much depth at all on the Belichick/Brady relationship etc. Still an entertaining read but certainly has the feel of an authorised biography of Kraft essentially.

It made sense when someone mentioned he didn't have great access to Belichik. He is the only one of the main 3 the author was willing to admit has flaws. I am guessing it avoided whatever uncomfortable situations they couldn't find a way to bring into the Pats favour, hence the missed opportunity.

eagle eye · 30-01-2021 12:52am

ReginaldSmythV wrote:

Not a chance it could happen because of value but Iâ€™d love the Texans to be able to tell Watson to play, sit, or retire.

I think he's overrated by most. Texans can get a great deal for him, two firsts and two seconds and maybe players. They could end up with a better QB and a better team in multiple positions.

BonnieSituation · 30-01-2021 1:16am

eagle eye wrote: »

I think he's overrated by most. Texans can get a great deal for him, two firsts and two seconds and maybe players. They could end up with a better QB and a better team in multiple positions.

This post will age well.

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He's no Jarret Stidham.

raze_them_all_ · 30-01-2021 1:59am

eagle eye wrote: »

I think he's overrated by most. Texans can get a great deal for him, two firsts and two seconds and maybe players. They could end up with a better QB and a better team in multiple positions.

Jesus he is definately not overrated. He has an aged oft injured jj watt and no other help this year. Class qb. Deffo top 5 in the league now imo

eagle eye · 30-01-2021 2:44am

raze_them_all_ wrote:

Jesus he is definately not overrated. He has an aged oft injured jj watt and no other help this year. Class qb. Deffo top 5 in the league now imo

I disagree, he's inconsistent. I've noticed he's been poor in tight games when it matters many times.
Who of Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen and Wilson have you him ahead of?

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