Irish Rugby and Sevens

The Lost Sheep · 22-05-2019 1:28pm

Anyone playing 7s this summer?
Will try referee at one tournament or another if i can find the time.

freak scence · 22-05-2019 9:45pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

IRELAND MEN’S SEVENS Squad (World Rugby Sevens Series – London 7s, Twickenham Stadium, London, Saturday, May 25th & Sunday May 26th)
Jordan Conroy (Tullamore RFC/Buccaneers)
Jack Daly (Castleisland RFC/Garryowen/Munster) *
Billy Dardis (Terenure College/Terenure College) Captain
Foster Horan (Kilkenny College/Lansdowne)
Jack Kelly (St. Michaels College/Dublin University/Leinster) *
Terry Kennedy (St. Mary’s College/St. Mary’s College)
Adam Leavy (St. Michaels College/Lansdowne)
Hugo Lennox (Skerries RFC/Clontarf)
Mick McGrath (CUS/Clontarf)
Harry McNulty (Rockwell College/UCD)
Bryan Mollen (Blackrock College/Blackrock College)
Peter Sullivan (St. Andrews College/Lansdowne)*
Mark Roche (Blackrock College/Blackrock College)

we have eng nz and scos in our pool ,should be fun

troyzer · 24-05-2019 2:07am

I had no idea the 7s guys were only on €18k. That's awful. It's below minimum wage.

guapos · 24-05-2019 6:54am

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1131555891633897474?s=08

Ireland are going to field a team in RugbyX made up of 7s team so hopefully a few more quid for them.

kingofthekong · 24-05-2019 9:41am

troyzer wrote: »

I had no idea the 7s guys were only on €18k. That's awful. It's below minimum wage.

doesnt take up the whole year though, id imagine that would increase when Ireland are in the series next year?? or are they making that next year?

And to be fair to be paid 18k to fly around the world playing rugby in the sun is hardly working in the coal mines lol

troyzer · 24-05-2019 9:44am

kingofthekong wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

I had no idea the 7s guys were only on €18k. That's awful. It's below minimum wage.

doesnt take up the whole year though, id imagine that would increase when Ireland are in the series next year?? or are they making that next year?

And to be fair to be paid 18k to fly around the world playing rugby in the sun is hardly working in the coal mines lol

It's a full time job and the figure is staying. That's why it's out there. Nucifora was doing the media rounds after his extension and was asked about the €18k and he said he doesn't want to raise it.

€18k isn't enough to live on in Dublin. You might be able to jet around but you couldn't be doing 7s for more than two or three years before you'd have to retire early.

kingofthekong · 24-05-2019 10:35am

troyzer wrote: »

It's a full time job and the figure is staying. That's why it's out there. Nucifora was doing the media rounds after his extension and was asked about the €18k and he said he doesn't want to raise it.

€18k isn't enough to live on in Dublin. You might be able to jet around but you couldn't be doing 7s for more than two or three years before you'd have to retire early.

I think the vast majority of players do only a couple years, and anyone who does longer is on a higher contract

troyzer · 24-05-2019 10:36am

kingofthekong wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

It's a full time job and the figure is staying. That's why it's out there. Nucifora was doing the media rounds after his extension and was asked about the €18k and he said he doesn't want to raise it.

€18k isn't enough to live on in Dublin. You might be able to jet around but you couldn't be doing 7s for more than two or three years before you'd have to retire early.

I think the vast majority of players do only a couple years, and anyone who does longer is on a higher contract

If that's true there's no evidence of it.

I'd like to think the players are paid enough to make a bit of a career out of it. Because this is effectively a badly paid career break.

Squidgy Black · 24-05-2019 10:43am

Is that just a base salary and bonuses for appearances/places in tournaments though?

Edit: "It is understood that the players will receive bonuses of €500 for competing in each of the 10 World Series events, and €250 for other Grand Prix events, but even if a player avoided injury and competed in every event, the maximum he could earn in a year would be €23,750"

So it's still fairly low, but the bonuses bring it further inline with the basic bottom end salary of a lot of top tier nations like Scotland and New Zealand

troyzer · 24-05-2019 11:03am

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Is that just a base salary and bonuses for appearances/places in tournaments though?

Edit: "It is understood that the players will receive bonuses of €500 for competing in each of the 10 World Series events, and €250 for other Grand Prix events, but even if a player avoided injury and competed in every event, the maximum he could earn in a year would be €23,750"

So it's still fairly low, but the bonuses bring it further inline with the basic bottom end salary of a lot of top tier nations like Scotland and New Zealand

I would imagine academy players get more at the provinces, no?

I mean, even a non test player like Adam Byrne is probably making enough to fund half of the squad.

Bazzo · 24-05-2019 11:55am

troyzer wrote: »

I would imagine academy players get more at the provinces, no?

I mean, even a non test player like Adam Byrne is probably making enough to fund half of the squad.

Dunno what exactly they're on now but academy players a few years ago were on €8,000 a year along with accommodation & food paid for - and it had just been brought up a fair bit at that stage.

It's possible the 7s players also have their food & lodgings paid I suppose, haven't looked into it or read the statement yet.

Squidgy Black · 24-05-2019 11:59am

troyzer wrote: »

I would imagine academy players get more at the provinces, no?

I mean, even a non test player like Adam Byrne is probably making enough to fund half of the squad.

Academy players are on below minimum wage in most cases and as said in the article, they've lined the Sevens contracts up with development contracts as they feel it's still a developmental game for them.

24-05-2019 2:07pm

It's a shame I can see us not lasting in the world series with that

D14Rugby · 24-05-2019 2:45pm

Bazzo wrote: »

Dunno what exactly they're on now but academy players a few years ago were on €8,000 a year along with accommodation & food paid for - and it had just been brought up a fair bit at that stage.

It's possible the 7s players also have their food & lodgings paid I suppose, haven't looked into it or read the statement yet.

They don't get their food and lodgings paid for and as far as I'm aware the players themselves were under the impression that their wages would rise quite a bit if they qualified for the world series so this could get messy if they don't. The IRFU are asking them for more commitment, more travel, at a higher level, with more money coming into the Union with no extra pay, that won't go down well if that's the case.

25-05-2019 11:18am

https://www.world.rugby/sevens-series/stage/1885/match#

live stream for today

First Up · 25-05-2019 11:21am

On Sky Sports too.

errlloyd · 25-05-2019 11:50am

New Zealand absolutely ferocious at the breakdown

Melodeon · 25-05-2019 11:55am

Ireland match schedule for today:
vs. England - 12:04
vs. New Zealand - 14:48
vs. Scotland - 17:54

troyzer · 25-05-2019 12:16pm

Ireland look really good here.

munsterlegend · 25-05-2019 12:20pm

Conroy a nervous wreck.

troyzer · 25-05-2019 12:23pm

Solid win. Conroy very poor though.

munsterlegend · 25-05-2019 12:23pm

Great win Ireland

First Up · 25-05-2019 12:24pm

troyzer wrote:

Solid win. Conroy very poor though.

Hope he'll learn from that.

errlloyd · 25-05-2019 12:25pm

Ah lads. Love this team.

25-05-2019 12:31pm

Beating England 2 years in a row in England is a serious statement really hope they can keep this team together

errlloyd · 25-05-2019 12:32pm

Honestly though. We'd be much better off letting England win it and try qualify for the Olympics!

D14Rugby · 25-05-2019 12:43pm

Luke Creamy Puppet wrote: »

Beating England 2 years in a row in England is a serious statement really hope they can keep this team together

If they don't up their pay they won't.

Squidgy Black · 25-05-2019 1:00pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

If they don't up their pay they won't.

Don't really see how the IRFU can justify it as a 'developmental game' any more when the team is performing at the top level and winning against tier 1 nations.

D14Rugby · 25-05-2019 1:07pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Don't really see how the IRFU can justify it as a 'developmental game' any more when the team is performing at the top level and winning against tier 1 nations.

They can't justify it. They expect the likes of Dardis to turn down advances from foreign clubs for basically no money, Nucifora is just exploiting the Irish want to play for and in Ireland that is ingrained in irish Rugby and was a strength but he's beginning to use it as a weapon.

Rigor Mortis · 25-05-2019 1:46pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

They can't justify it. They expect the likes of Dardis to turn down advances from foreign clubs for basically no money, Nucifora is just exploiting the Irish want to play for and in Ireland that is ingrained in irish Rugby and was a strength but he's beginning to use it as a weapon.

Let’s take a step back. They have been funded to achieve World Series status. They will undoubtedly see a significant bump as World Series funding and increased sponsorship kicks in.
Until a short while ago these guys were playing in the European sevens series which to be frank is similar level to where our international basketball team is.
Sevens is a drain on resources and whatever commitment we make comes at the expense of women’s XV, AIL and the other aspects of the game. We should fund it, but let’s not kid ourselves these teams are ever going to be on top cash

Bridge93 · 25-05-2019 1:48pm

No one is saying they should be on top money. Just more than what they’re on now given the increase in standard and commitment it will require. It’s taking advantage of them to not.

If the irfu see it purely as a development team still given everything then fine I guess (although that would be fairly disappointing and disrespectful) as they’ll lose the best players to contracts elsewhere

ScrubsfanChris · 25-05-2019 1:55pm

They're not a world series team until next year. Obviously they won't get pay increase until then.
I thought they're current pay was a well know fact.

The players welfare union is currently working on getting pay increase.

troyzer · 25-05-2019 2:05pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

They're not a world series team until next year. Obviously they won't get pay increase until then.
I thought they're current pay was a well know fact.

The players welfare union is currently working on getting pay increase.

Nucifora was giving the impression that they want a full world series with the current pay levels before it's reviewed.

Presumably he wants the assurance that Ireland are competitive at the top level and can guarantee the revenue to support themselves to allow bigger contracts.

Squidgy Black · 25-05-2019 2:05pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

They're not a world series team until next year. Obviously they won't get pay increase until then.
I thought they're current pay was a well know fact.

The players welfare union is currently working on getting pay increase.

The issue is that Nucifora has said they won't get a salary increase, and has mooted suggestions from the squad of getting sponsorship for them.

At the start of this season, the players were attempting to hold out for a larger contract, but conceded on the word that if they reached the world series their contracts would be renegotiated and brought up to a higher standard required for a full time world series core team. But Nucifora and the IRFU are now saying this won't happen.

D14Rugby · 25-05-2019 2:07pm

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

Let’s take a step back. They have been funded to achieve World Series status. They will undoubtedly see a significant bump as World Series funding and increased sponsorship kicks in.
Until a short while ago these guys were playing in the European sevens series which to be frank is similar level to where our international basketball team is.
Sevens is a drain on resources and whatever commitment we make comes at the expense of women’s XV, AIL and the other aspects of the game. We should fund it, but let’s not kid ourselves these teams are ever going to be on top cash

Nucifora has openly and conclusively said they won't see a pay increase despite the increased income.
You're seriously underestimating how lucrative the main 7s circuit is.
If anything it has been funded at the "expense" of the mens 15s team.

ScrubsfanChris · 25-05-2019 2:34pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

The issue is that Nucifora has said they won't get a salary increase, and has mooted suggestions from the squad of getting sponsorship for them.

At the start of this season, the players were attempting to hold out for a larger contract, but conceded on the word that if they reached the world series their contracts would be renegotiated and brought up to a higher standard required for a full time world series core team. But Nucifora and the IRFU are now saying this won't happen.

Might change their mind when there's a walk out. Once there's the tiniest bit of media attention I can see them conceding.

Squidgy Black · 25-05-2019 2:38pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Might change their mind when there's a walk out. Once there's the tiniest bit of media attention I can see them conceding.

The issue is, at that point you've already shown a serious level of disrespect to the players to force them to have to walk out and potentially miss a world series event, after telling them the season before they would be rewarded for their hard work after accepting a measly contract.

Some of the players have offers from abroad to play 15s or play with club side 7s teams. Why would they want to stay and represent a union that only decides to pay them a fair amount to save their own face from the media, and not because they value the players.

ScrubsfanChris · 25-05-2019 2:50pm

Well that was a nice piece of pathetic tackling.....

D14Rugby · 25-05-2019 2:57pm

When you hear the rough number players were told they'd get a year ago if they qualified for the series and the number they're now being told they'll get, I'd be striking anyway.

troyzer · 25-05-2019 3:00pm

These lads are unplayable

kingofthekong · 25-05-2019 3:08pm

Getting an absolute wake up call from New Zealand here

25-05-2019 3:09pm

kingofthekong wrote: »

Getting an absolute wake up call from New Zealand here

Was much the same from I think it was Fiji last year in fairness id imaging those two and South Africa will be untouchable even on an offday until a team becomes seasoned

guapos · 25-05-2019 3:11pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

When you hear the rough number players were told they'd get a year ago if they qualified for the series and the number they're now being told they'll get, I'd be striking anyway.

How much were they expecting to get?

D14Rugby · 25-05-2019 3:34pm

guapos wrote: »

How much were they expecting to get?

Well they're currently on a low end development contract and were expecting to basically move up a bracket to the equivalent of a basic provincial contract which is basically double it.
Which when you consider the IRFU pay for absolutely nothing accommodation or travel wise for the world series events, and training is all in the NSC now so all the sponsorship money, prize money and funding just goes on kit and wages really it's not an unreasonable amount to expect considering the money they'll generate.
Not allowing the players to get their own sponsorship is ridiculous too, a really poor way to run an organisation.

Bridge93 · 25-05-2019 6:02pm

Max McFarland coming to haunt us

eagle eye · 25-05-2019 6:08pm

Conroy has unbelievable pace.

Squidgy Black · 25-05-2019 6:09pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Conroy has unbelievable pace.

Some serious wheels on him, he's next level.

Squidgy Black · 25-05-2019 6:12pm

Phenomenal stuff here. What a way to close the group stages out.

eagle eye · 25-05-2019 6:15pm

Nice we have a cup quarter.

KevIRL · 25-05-2019 6:17pm

Some performance that

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